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Ares
14th October 2012, 08:50 PM
Bombshell: Rod Class gets FOURTH Administrative Ruling "Gov't Offices are Vacant"- All Gov't Officials are "Private Contractors"

Yes, you read that correctly; it is true, and is now on the court record; black ink on white paper. Please read on:

A lot of us have been exposing the crime of the UNITED STATES corporation for many years, but until recently, no one has had the proof that all government offices are vacant; no one is home; those supposed government offices/agencies are being occupied by PRIVATE CONTRACTORS and are NOT being occupied by a legitimate government body.

This is equivalent to the ice cream man knocking on your door and extorting taxes from you. He has no lawful authority to do anything other than drive the ice cream truck - he's not a government official; he's an ice cream man.

Your supposed government officials are nothing more than ice cream men/women who are fraudulently extorting money from you and your family; throwing you in prison; taxing you to death; stealing your children and imposing their will on you, and enforcing their own internal-statutory rules and codes upon you and your family.

Rod Class has now received FOUR Administrative Rulings that prove what many of us have felt to be truth: What you think is government; what you think are legitimate Government Officials/Senators/Congressman/Policeman/Governors/Tax Collectors, etc. are nothing more than private contractors, extorting money from American Citizens and failing to pay off the public debt as they are instructed to do by the 1933 bankruptcy.

What they have done is this:

These people have switched places with the average American Citizen. They are enforcing their own Administrative codes, that are only meant for THEM, upon regular Citizens who are not being paid by the corporation. The supposed elected officials have hoodwinked the country into an employment position without pay. They themselves are taking public money to occupy government seats/positions/agencies, when they are nothing more than private contractors ... Felony!

They are treating us as if we are paid government employees; enforcing their own internal rules-regulations-codes, and statutes on the average Citizen, as well as conveniently forgetting to send us our weekly/monthly government employment check.

I've been preaching this for the last year + with no avail on this forum. Perhaps now, people will begin to listen and take action.

In these radio shows, Rod explains his Administrative Rulings from the various Judges; explains the con, and shows you, where in their very own US Codes the above aforementioned information is spot on.

There are a few shows you need to listen to, and here are some bullet points of those shows:

1. All BAR attorneys are prohibited from representing John Q. Public; can only represent gov't officials and employees within their own agencies, their BAR Charter says so.

2. Any Judge that prohibits you from representing yourself or hiring a defense other than a BAR attorney, are in fact, committing a felony on the bench in violation of the Taft-Hartly Act (running a closed union shop) and the Smith Act (overthrow of Constitutional form of Gov't)

3. Anytime an BAR attorney represents someone in a case against you, you can now claim that person is incompetent; a ward of the state, with no standing to sue.

4. Any and all tax collectors, police officers, sheriffs dept's, DOT, tag agencies, BAR attorneys, Judges, Highway Patrol, supposed elected officials, are nothing more than private contractors, who can now be brought up on fraud charges for impersonating a public official while receiving federal funding.

5. Any and all home, vehicle, credit card loans are supposed to be discharged through the Treasury window, in compliance with the 1933 bankruptcy laws. These scumbags are double dipping and never discharging the debt like they are supposed to. They are embezzling the funds and pocketing them for themselves.

6. Every person sitting in prison today was railroading by a BAR attorney who's first allegiance is to the State; who had no lawful authority to represent them; who worked in concert with the State to perpetrate a fraud upon it's victims.

7. Orders from Administrative courts prove for the fourth time, an agency of the State is NOT an agency under the State.

8. Elected Officials are claiming 11th Amendment sovereignty, when it's actually you and I that hold 11th Amendment sovereignty. They are getting paid by the corporation, you and I are not.

9. They have admitted to the crime of no one actually holding a public office; they are filling corporate seats and defrauding the public.

10. Political subdivisions are not getting their 40% funding from the Feds as they are supposed to get.

11. These Judges have admitted (black ink on white paper) that all these State Offices are ........... EMPTY!

12. Now we have Administrative paperwork - ruling these public offices aren't part of the State agencies.

13. Attorney Generals may not practice law; can't represent the people who are not public officials.

14. If the State is a 3rd party interloper in your Marriage (marriage license); Vehicle Title (State Registration), etc. then they are liable for 1/3rd of the cost to manage the daily activities of that contract.

15. If the State demands you have a Drivers License and Tag your vehicle because it is registered with the State, then as the owner of the vehicle, the State is required to pay for the vehicle, the tags, licensing, fuel, tires, oil, etc. and they are also to pay you a salary for driving a State owned vehicle; it says so in their own Highway Safety Act and USC - CFR rules and regulations.

16. We now have the court orders that goes back and nullifies any and all IRS and Tax cases, Foreclosures, Credit Card Debt, cases or actions. These people never had the lawful right to demand anything of you; they are corporate actors, not a legitimate government body.

17. Judge admits the 1933 bankruptcy, and no way to pay off anything because of Federal Reserve Notes; all public debt is t be discharged through the Treasury.

18. Only the Secretary of Transportation can hear traffic cases; all traffic cases are civil, not criminal.

19. If you're not being paid for you time, you are not required to have one of their CDL or CMV licenses; it's prohibited.

20. Says we now have a major labor dispute on our hands; US corporation running a slave racket against American Citizens without the pay.

21. United States Codes (USC) and Titles #1 thru #50 are void; have never been passed by Congress; all have been repealed.

As I've been saying for a very long time on this forum: If you are not getting a weekly or monthly paycheck from the so called federal government aka UNITED STATES or one of it's sub corporations such as the STATE OF ***, then their statutory rules (not laws), codes and regulations DO NOT APPLY TO YOU ......... Period!

There is so much information packed into these last six calls, I can't even begin to share it in this post. If you want your freedom; if you want to know with 100% surety that the foreign corporation known as the UNITED STATES has zero authority over you unless you are receiving a weekly paycheck from them, take the time to listen to call #646 through #651 here:

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=48361&cmd=tc

Scroll down the page and click on the orange "Listen" button; a pop up player will appear for your listening pleasure.

And believe me: This is pure listening pleasure, with the court filings; rulings and US Code to back it all up.

By the time you finish these few short shows, your fear of the government will be a thing of the past.

Also, many of Rodís current filings against the infrastructure are at: http://harveyw26.minus.com/ some may be easy to download, some may not !

And for those of you who are new to the forum and want to get a better grasp of all this prior to or after listening to the calls, here are some of my more informative posts on the matter at hand:

Public Notice to Gun Grabbing Politicians:

http://www.dailypaul.com/246514/public-notice-attention-to-all-gun-grabbing-politicians-the-jig-is-up-govern-yourselves-accordingly

So the Government wants you to collect a sales tax?

http://www.dailypaul.com/245362/have-a-business-and-the-govt-wants-you-to-collect-a-sales-tax-is-it-time-you-started-charging-them-an-administrative-fee

Your Home Loan was paid the day you signed the note:

http://www.dailypaul.com/244590/want-to-stick-it-to-the-bankers-did-you-know-the-day-you-signed-the-note-your-house-was-paid-in-full

The real reason for the 14th Amendment:

http://www.dailypaul.com/244553/they-created-the-14th-amendment-to-exempt-themselves-from-the-slavery-they-were-about-to-impose-on-us-bingo

What's the One Document in your possession that gives you the authority to rule over my life?

http://www.dailypaul.com/244165/whats-the-one-document-you-have-in-your-possession-that-gives-you-the-authority-or-jurisdiction-to-control-my-life

Can the State be an actual injured party? ..... No, it cannot!

http://www.dailypaul.com/243521/can-the-state-be-an-injured-party-how-about-the-prosecutor-for-that-state-can-the-state-bring-charges-against-a-living-ma

Having a Social Security # is not a contract with the State/Feds:

http://www.dailypaul.com/243164/social-security-is-not-a-contract-and-here-is-your-undeniable-proof

Trust Law, your Rights and how to enforce them:

http://www.dailypaul.com/243090/trust-law-your-rights-and-how-to-enforce-them-are-you-sitting-down

Why you should never hire an attorney:

http://www.dailypaul.com/242260/this-is-why-you-should-never-hire-an-attorney-because-when-you-do-you-are-considered-a-ward-of-the-state

Hopefully now in light of these Administrative Court Rulings people will now come to realize the fact, that Unless You Are Getting A Weekly Check From Government, Their Statutory Rules-Codes-Regulations They Put Off As Laws, Have Zero Force Or Effect On You Personally

No Contract = No Jurisdiction

Did you fill out an employment contract with the State; are they paying you for your services? If not, why the hell are you following their rules?

This is how we change our current form of Government back to the Republic is was initially intended to be.

If you don't take the time to listen to at least those last six shows at the link above, you are overlooking the most important information ever to come to light within the Liberty Movement.

Stop looking for a savior to save us from tyranny and listen to the shows I've provided. Now you are your own savior - Individually, now you can make a HUGE difference in our political structure and form of government.

In Liberty!


http://www.dailypaul.com/258853/bombshell-rod-class-gets-fourth-administrative-ruling-govt-offices-are-vacant-all-govt-officials-are-private-contractors

Ponce
14th October 2012, 09:25 PM
Remember that the only way to pay a bill is by "lawfull" money.....ie: silver and gold.......so that when the governmet suspended the use of silver and gold they broke a contract that cannot be paid by funny money.

Giving a note does not constitute payment. Echart v Commissioners, C.C.A. 42 F2d 158; 283 U. S. 140

A state may provide for the collection of taxes in gold and silver only. State Treasurer v Wright, 28 Ill. 509: Whitaker v Haley, 2 Ore. 128.

Taxes lawfully assessed, are collectible by agents in money and notes, cannot be accepted in payment. Town of Frankfort v Waldo, 128 Me. 1.

Glass
14th October 2012, 10:23 PM
I haven't listended to Rod for a while now. He's a tenacious and very studious guy. Sometimes you listen as he breaks stuff down and you want him to get to the meat and potatoes already but he nails it. Is he getting traction? I sure hope so.

I'll work my way through this material and see where it's all at.

Bottom line is: It's all a scam. So obvious a scam even a 3 year old can pick it. Until they get caught up in the delusions that are the world of grown ups.

TheNocturnalEgyptian
15th October 2012, 12:50 AM
Original Jurisdiction is the Remedy we need

7th trump
15th October 2012, 03:29 AM
Fiat reserve notes are "lawful money" as far as the government is concerned about you purchasing items and paying off debt.
Stop beleiving that nut case David Merrill Vanpelt and his retarded theory about his private credit bullshit scam.
The US government suspended and gold standard and silver certificates so whats left is paper money. The same paper governments around the world use as a reserve currency.
Americans, or even the world for that matter, wouldnt have the luxury of a living standard we curently have.....we'd still be living in the 1880's without fiat, and a greater "class" division with only a hand full being able to obtain gold and silver, not enough metals to go around.
You have to be just as retarded as Vanpelt is to beleive his scam about fiat private credit.
Paper is still "lawful money"...if it wasnt you couldnt use it to buy anything....so stop the madness!

palani
15th October 2012, 05:40 AM
if it wasnt you couldnt use it to buy anything

If I gave you an IOU to buy your car when it came due could I pay the debt with another IOU?

Glass
15th October 2012, 06:04 AM
Lawful money only exists in coin form. It does not exist as paper. You are confusing Legal Tender with Lawful Money. They are different. United States Notes were redeemable in Gold and Silver Coin. That would be the closest you could get to lawful paper money, but of itself it is not money but tender. A lot of that gold and to a lesser extent silver hadn't been converted to coin but it was solid, physical potential coin sitting in vaults.... hopefully.

7th trump
15th October 2012, 08:02 AM
If I gave you an IOU to buy your car when it came due could I pay the debt with another IOU?
Who said I would accept your personal written IOU?
And what kind of collateral are you going to put up if you cannot pay?

Only way I would accept your personal IOU is if your personal written IOU was accepted by banks in exchange for paper that is accepted as the choice medium of exchange, but we all know thats not the case with your personal IOU now is it.

The problem Palani, which you will never get around, is that fiat paper is what the government curently is using as lawful money when they abolished the metal backed currency.
Even treasury minted coins such as the current quarters, dimes, nickels and pennies arent backed by gold and silver is lawful money.
Heres your dilemma palani, you have both, coins minted by the US Treasury and fiat paper printed by the reserve banks neither of which is backed by gold or silver, but the coin is "lawful money" per your definition.
So have fun with that one palani.....I'm sure I can entertain what ever you make up as an answer.

palani
15th October 2012, 08:09 AM
Who said I would accept your personal written IOU?
I figured anyone who accepted the debt instruments of a bankrupt entity would have no problem accepting the debt instruments of a SOLVENT entity.


And what kind of collateral are you going to put up if you cannot pay? If you accept my IOU then you HAVE been paid. Why should you receive double or triple payment?


fiat paper is what the government curently is using as lawful money Not MY government.

jimswift
15th October 2012, 10:00 AM
when they abolished the metal backed currency.

Was it abolished, abandoned or replaced?

7th trump
15th October 2012, 03:49 PM
Was it abolished, abandoned or replaced?

My bad choice of Jim......."suspended" is a more correct term.
They cant abolish something the Constitution says is lawful.

7th trump
15th October 2012, 03:55 PM
I figured anyone who accepted the debt instruments of a bankrupt entity would have no problem accepting the debt instruments of a SOLVENT entity.


If you accept my IOU then you HAVE been paid. Why should you receive double or triple payment?

Not MY government.Well, using your logic, issueing a IOU is NOT being solvent now is it?

I already told you I will not accept your personal written IOU without it first being accepted by banks in exchange for the current medium of exchange.

Now onto the more important question I posed you that you are refusing to answer.
If coins minted by the US Treasury are "lawful money" then why is it not backed by gold and or silver?
If it isnt backed by gold and silver then by your definition it isnt "lawful money".

Hmmmm palani??????

palani
15th October 2012, 04:04 PM
If coins minted by the US Treasury are "lawful money" then why is it not backed by gold and or silver? Do you understand the concept of "bankruptcy"?

If it isnt backed by gold and silver then by your definition it isnt "lawful money". As far as I can tell Congress is using a definition of "lawful money" to be anything that carries no further obligations. Until they provide a more complete definition (when martial law gets removed) then this is what I presume they must mean. Unlawful money includes military script.

Here is an example of "lawful money" from 1789:

http://i47.tinypic.com/207rgvq.jpg

Nomoss
15th October 2012, 04:04 PM
Thanks for the link and the info.
It would be nice to have the show #

mick silver
15th October 2012, 05:41 PM
.....we'd still be living in the 1880's without fiat, and a greater "class" division

[/QUOTE]for one thing i would of fit right in the 1800 s . i would bet that at least then a hand shake would of been good and a man word would of stood for something

7th trump
15th October 2012, 06:01 PM
Do you understand the concept of "bankruptcy"?
As far as I can tell Congress is using a definition of "lawful money" to be anything that carries no further obligations. Until they provide a more complete definition (when martial law gets removed) then this is what I presume they must mean. Unlawful money includes military script.

Here is an example of "lawful money" from 1789:

http://i47.tinypic.com/207rgvq.jpg
How come then when I paid for my Dodge Dakota in full with cash (fiat money) I had no further obligations to continue paying it off?

midnight rambler
15th October 2012, 06:04 PM
How come then when I paid for my Dodge Dakota in full with cash (fiat money) I had no further obligations to continue paying it off?

When you did this, did you manage to get the dealer to surrender the MSO to you?

Glass
15th October 2012, 06:43 PM
How come then when I paid for my Dodge Dakota in full with cash (fiat money) I had no further obligations to continue paying it off?

Your "vehicle" debt was set off against the promissory notes you gave the other person. You satisfied your promise to pay by giving them someone else's promise to pay. Only thing is, those promissory note don't pay out. That means they do not discharge/extinguish the debt. They just dilute the debt across many hands.

Of course it isn't really your problem if the other person accepts something of no value as valuable consideration for something of value.

The thing is though, you don't own the vehicle itself. You only own the beneficial interest in the thing. This is something you must pay for each year to maintain that claim/beneficial interest. That is statutory fees and charges against the thing...the vehicle.

The money only conveys a claim to an interest in the thing. This is what equity is. The interest in the thing, not the ownership of it. It's a slight of hand. A feint. You think you own the thing but you only own an interest in it.

7th trump
15th October 2012, 07:04 PM
Your "vehicle" debt was set off against the promissory notes you gave the other person. You satisfied your promise to pay by giving them someone else's promise to pay. Only thing is, those promissory note don't pay out. That means they do not discharge/extinguish the debt. They just dilute the debt across many hands.

Of course it isn't really your problem if the other person accepts something of no value as valuable consideration for something of value.

The thing is though, you don't own the vehicle itself. You only own the beneficial interest in the thing. This is something you must pay for each year to maintain that claim/beneficial interest. That is statutory fees and charges against the thing...the vehicle.

The money only conveys a claim to an interest in the thing. This is what equity is. The interest in the thing, not the ownership of it. It's a slight of hand. A feint. You think you own the thing but you only own an interest in it.

Really!!!!
Do you have any proof?
Or did you hear this from someone....as in hear-say?

I could have bought this truck with a gold piece, silver, cords of firewood, black topsoil.......ect, still having the same outcome of not continueing to pay off the truck once payed off!
Wheres the obligation palani speaks of?

My point is fiat is "lawful money" after the gold standard was suspended and then the silver suspension.
You can have "lawful money" currency backed by metal and faith......or anything!
Take for instance your local grocery store coupon...its not printed by the banks or minted by the treasury, but has a value attached to it that discharges a certain amount off the cost of the item.

My second point is palani is under the impression that "lawful money" is only that which is printed by the Treasury, but we have coin minted by the treasury having no metal backing....so what is it?........"lawful" or fiat?
I want to see Palani try and get around this without any more of his word salad mumbo jumbo legaleese crap that says nothing at all!
Palani's theory doesntmuster enough pass the "logic" test!

midnight rambler
15th October 2012, 07:35 PM
Really!!!!
Do you have any proof?


Since you conspicuously avoided answering my inquiry as to whether or not you acquired the MSO and retained it, I take it that you surrendered it when you made an application for state LICENSE and REGISTRATION - in which case you DO NOT *own* that Dodge Dakota, you merely hold a beneficial interest in it as Glass pointed out. And if you're 'ownership' is limited to an 'interest' (The terms title and interest are not synonymous. --Black's Law Dictionary, 4th Ed.) then you're STILL 'paying for' it.

Glass
15th October 2012, 08:42 PM
Really!!!!
Do you have any proof?
Or did you hear this from someone....as in hear-say?

I could have bought this truck with a gold piece, silver, cords of firewood, black topsoil.......ect, still having the same outcome of not continueing to pay off the truck once payed off!
Wheres the obligation palani speaks of?

My point is fiat is "lawful money" after the gold standard was suspended and then the silver suspension.
You can have "lawful money" currency backed by metal and faith......or anything!
Take for instance your local grocery store coupon...its not printed by the banks or minted by the treasury, but has a value attached to it that discharges a certain amount off the cost of the item.

My second point is palani is under the impression that "lawful money" is only that which is printed by the Treasury, but we have coin minted by the treasury having no metal backing....so what is it?........"lawful" or fiat?
I want to see Palani try and get around this without any more of his word salad mumbo jumbo legaleese crap that says nothing at all!
Palani's theory doesntmuster enough pass the "logic" test!

If you do not hold the title you do not own it. It is logical as you put it.

Something that appears to be a Coin does not have to be lawful money. Casino's issue their own coin, colloquially called "chips" but while these are the shape of coin, they are not lawful money. They are Legal Tender within the confines of the Casino. They are also known as "Company Scrip" except not written on paper but plastic.

FRN's are company scrip and you have to pay (taxation) to use them.

A disc of metal that does not contain either Gold or Silver is merely an impersonation of money. It is as you rightly hint at: Fiat.

You are still confusing lawful money with legal tender. You are also confusing set off with discharging a debt. They are different things and using debt to settle another debt does not discharge the debt it is just the "sets off" of one claim against another claim. It's an accounting action.

7th trump
15th October 2012, 09:56 PM
If you do not hold the title you do not own it. It is logical as you put it.

Something that appears to be a Coin does not have to be lawful money. Casino's issue their own coin, colloquially called "chips" but while these are the shape of coin, they are not lawful money. They are Legal Tender within the confines of the Casino. They are also known as "Company Scrip" except not written on paper but plastic.

FRN's are company scrip and you have to pay (taxation) to use them.

A disc of metal that does not contain either Gold or Silver is merely an impersonation of money. It is as you rightly hint at: Fiat.

You are still confusing lawful money with legal tender. You are also confusing set off with discharging a debt. They are different things and using debt to settle another debt does not discharge the debt it is just the "sets off" of one claim against another claim. It's an accounting action.


Show me where in the law books (the 50 titles) using fiat money (company script) you have to pay a tax?
And while you are looking in the 50 titles.........show the law providing the public that FRN's are company script?
If this is what you beleive then I'll show you that history will prove your ignorant of the subject matter.

I can show you in the law where taxation on your labor is a direct result of participating in Social Security, has absolutely nothing at all to do with fiat, or as you say "company script" one bit whatsoever. But I'm opine to beleive you would rather not hear the truth for what it is, most dishonest people dont, but rather beleive the childish drama of a dogmatic conspiracy.

So is buying a truck from a private individual a "discharge" or a "set off"?
As far as the private seller is concerned which is it.......discharge or set off?
He got the money and is satisfied and handed over the keys to me.....so which is it a discharge or set off?
Or do I continue to keep paying for the truck after what the seller is asking since according to you and Palani its cannot be paid off even though I have the keys in my hand.
Do you see the illogic of your logic?

palani
16th October 2012, 04:11 AM
How come then when I paid for my Dodge Dakota in full with cash (fiat money) I had no further obligations to continue paying it off?
You never paid for anything with cash. You are presuming you did so under law but your presumption is incorrect. As nothing of substance was involved in the exchange you find yourself squarely involved in equity. You have equitable ownership and nothing more. Your right to that equitable ownership can be terminated by a single chancellor should you abuse the terms of your ownership. Case in point ... use it to transport weed from Mexico or park it improperly and you will find out that you may be separated from your form of ownership quite readily.

The true owner of your Dakota is the county. They have established a trust to own it because you have chosen not to. Your insurance (should you have any) is to indemnify the county for your irrational acts and accidents.

palani
16th October 2012, 04:15 AM
Palani's theory doesntmuster enough pass the "logic" test!
Your ability to follow logic hasn't impressed upon me your ability to construct such a test.

palani
16th October 2012, 04:18 AM
He got the money and is satisfied and handed over the keys to me.

Say you went to work at John Deere and they provided you with the keys to a golf cart. Are you suggesting that you are now the owner of that cart?

Glass
16th October 2012, 04:31 AM
Show me where in the law books (the 50 titles) using fiat money (company script) you have to pay a tax?
And while you are looking in the 50 titles.........show the law providing the public that FRN's are company script?
If this is what you beleive then I'll show you that history will prove your ignorant of the subject matter.

I can show you in the law where taxation on your labor is a direct result of participating in Social Security, has absolutely nothing at all to do with fiat, or as you say "company script" one bit whatsoever. But I'm opine to beleive you would rather not hear the truth for what it is, most dishonest people dont, but rather beleive the childish drama of a dogmatic conspiracy.

So is buying a truck from a private individual a "discharge" or a "set off"?
As far as the private seller is concerned which is it.......discharge or set off?
He got the money and is satisfied and handed over the keys to me.....so which is it a discharge or set off?
Or do I continue to keep paying for the truck after what the seller is asking since according to you and Palani its cannot be paid off even though I have the keys in my hand.
Do you see the illogic of your logic?

There is no illogic in anything I have said and I take offense at your character bashing. I am not a dishonest person.

I was using company scrip as a similie. Companies in the past have run mining towns where they own the trading post. They issue company scrip as payment for labour and the trading post only accepts the company scrip in exchange for goods.

The FED is a privately own company that issues currency in it's own name Federal Reserve Notes, not the name of the nation in which it is used the United States of America. These notes replaced United States Notes which were likewise denoted in dollars but those were redeemable in lawful money. I think palani already pointed out where the statues state that FRN's are legal tender. I'm sure someone did.

When the FED issues currency, they do so at interest. This is the cost of using the currency. The Govt pays that on behalf of the nation of people. The Govt aquires that from the nation of people. The Govt offered the people multiple benefits, most of which were made of vapour. Social Security was one indeed. And the SSN is indeed the number of the beast. No argument there. The Government uses the volume of FRN's that pass through your hands to determine the tax, less some deductions for usrfruct purposes, although not food/sustenance although the tax tiers/brackets probably account for that.

The reason for the taxes is to cover all the expenses of the Govt "including" the borrowing costs for the FRN's everyone is using.

You do not need to provide any more FRN's than the sale price indicated because the original holder of the interest was satisfied that you provided them with something of value. The value to them is that someone else will respond to them, the same way they did to you when you gave them the funds. The thing is that technically you obtained an interest in the vehicle. It's called a beneficial interest but not a title interest.

The FRN notes are IOU's. If John owes you $1000 FRN's and you owe Ralph $1000 you might say to Ralph, hey John owes me a grand, how about I let you have that grand to get me off the hook to you. Ralph says sure. You set one debt off against another debt.

It's set off. Books are balanced. Interest in the thing is transferred but not title. There are no title documents in a vehicle transfer usually. There are simply documents registering the location of the thing of interest.

When something or someone goes into bankruptcy they are "administered". The United States Congress forms an Administration. It's called that because it Administers the bankruptcy. The bankruptee does not have free use of money, any money they posses at the time of bankruptcy or any money they come into possesion during the bankruptcy. They must hand it all over to the "administrator" of the bankruptcy. The Administrator may make determinations that some of the funds could be retained (to sustain life) or they may take it all and provide a stipend/benefit/payment from the funds to the bankruptee.

This is how the US operates. It's how many countries operate. Do you know of any organisations in the US that might issue a stipend/benfit/payment to people?

look, it's very subtle and just under the surface but it is there. As someone who is a scholar of the bible I thought that you might recognize this type of situation from the first few books of the Old Testament. How the guy was jailed, then became an advisor to the King of Egypt etc. I'm sure you know the one.

Nomoss
16th October 2012, 11:41 PM
I was going to post that..
7T you are the one that is ignorant of the subject matter.
Oh I just did.. wow. Have fun..

Glass
17th October 2012, 12:54 AM
I think 7thTrump is a very learned person. I've little doubt of that. As they quite rightly pointed out, it's insane. This whole concept, how it's done and the fact that its kind of just there under the surface, gets my temper up. I came across this some 5 or 6 years ago and I literally freaked out when I first got my head around it. Myself and some friends have tested quite a few things. Some in court. People been kidnapped and thrown in the goal testing some of these ideas. I've had correspondence with various Govt officials including the head of taxation and one of the state Govenors. I've met with people who have fought different things that kind of hang off this main premise such as the Freeman/Sovereign standing. People doing the same thing Ponce is doing or who have done it. The obligation to pay tax. The right to travel freely. Results are mixed. I'd say probably 60/40 in favour of the authorities but I will say that preparation is 100% the key to winning the fight.

And by preparation I do not only mean knowing your stuff and doing the paper work right but people need to understand as 7th and others have pointed out, and Ponce is discovering, a piece of paper is not going to stop them. It's just the alert that you are sending them that you are onto them.

If you fail to prepare for the resulting attack before you alert them or while you are alerting them as to what you are doing then you will have a hard time of it. You need to make yourself so legally odious to them that they will just want to leave you alone. This is the only thing that works.

For instance you cannot pay out all Tax Lien obligations on a "patented" parcel of land using FRN's. The reason is explained in this thread. You have to pay the obligation with Lawful money. It must be either gold or silver or it must be in lawfully redeemed money. Otherwise you put the property straight back into a lien because the debt obligation remains if you use FRN's. All you are doing is transferring the debt obligation back to the Govt where it has been sitting since 1933.

TheNocturnalEgyptian
17th October 2012, 01:47 AM
Lots of good information, but why the hell aren't we talking about restoring original jurisdiction positions in the government and ousting imposters?

Serpo
17th October 2012, 02:13 AM
Lawful money by a unlawful government......hahaha aha