Health disaster: the dementia time bomb

[midnight rambler]

An est. 2 BILLION people to suffer from dementia by 2050.

http://www.alternet.org/personal-health/2-billion-dementia-patients-medical-establishment-shocked-risk-numbers-horizon

[midnight rambler]

i b o g a

If ever there as a genuine need to use it (before the onset), this would definitely qualify as one of those genuine needs.

[LastResort]

No one--to repeat, no one--understands how it happens.

LOL

Our medical system is a joke.


Google Alzheimers, Spirochetes

Look at all the studies out there. It will become pretty clear how dementia happens.

[palani]

An est. 2 BILLION people to suffer from dementia by 2050.

Two billion people living in fantasy world would be an improvement. I peg the number of people out of touch with reality at closer to 6 billion today.

[gunDriller]

i b o g a

If ever there as a genuine need to use it (before the onset), this would definitely qualify as one of those genuine needs.

where can you buy that in the US ?

i have the impression it's a medium stimulant, in between coffee and cocaine ?

[mamboni]

No one--to repeat, no one--understands how it happens.

LOL

Our medical system is a joke.


Google Alzheimers, Spirochetes

Look at all the studies out there. It will become pretty clear how dementia happens.

Spirochetes? Are you asserting that billions of people are suffereing from a silent epidemic of neurosyphilis?

[Dogman]

With all of the chemicals that people living in modern society are being drenched in 24/7/365 from the time of conception until death. And add to the chemical bath we are taking that our food is mostly "mutilated" by processing to the 9th degree to be virtually unrecognizable, compared to its natural state.

Sure I can understand why there is a rise in all sorts of "Stuff" now in modern society, at levels that compared to what our forefathers had to deal with.

It's in the air, soil, water and food that we eat. Thousands of chemicals that did not even exist less than 100 years ago. And the sad thing is there really is no escape, unless you live at Antarctica and even then do not bet on being safe.

[mamboni]

Review Alzheimer's disease - a neurospirochetosis. Analysis of the evidence following Koch's and Hill's criteriaJudith Miklossy


Correspondence: Judith Miklossy judithmiklossy@bluewin.ch

Author Affiliations (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#)
International Alzheimer Research Center, Prevention Alzheimer Foundation, Martigny-Combe, Switzerland










Journal of Neuroinflammation 2011, 8:90 doi:10.1186/1742-2094-8-90

The electronic version of this article is the complete one and can be found online at: http://www.jneuroinflammation.com/content/8/1/90



Received:
16 May 2011


Accepted:
4 August 2011


Published:
4 August 2011



© 2011 Miklossy; licensee BioMed Central Ltd.

This is an Open Access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0), which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited.

AbstractIt is established that chronic spirochetal infection can cause slowly progressive dementia, brain atrophy and amyloid deposition in late neurosyphilis. Recently it has been suggested that various types of spirochetes, in an analogous way to Treponema pallidum, could cause dementia and may be involved in the pathogenesis of Alzheimer's disease (AD). Here, we review all data available in the literature on the detection of spirochetes in AD and critically analyze the association and causal relationship between spirochetes and AD following established criteria of Koch and Hill. The results show a statistically significant association between spirochetes and AD (P = 1.5 × 10-17, OR = 20, 95% CI = 8-60, N = 247). When neutral techniques recognizing all types of spirochetes were used, or the highly prevalent periodontal pathogen Treponemas were analyzed, spirochetes were observed in the brain in more than 90% of AD cases. Borrelia burgdorferi was detected in the brain in 25.3% of AD cases analyzed and was 13 times more frequent in AD compared to controls. Periodontal pathogen Treponemas (T. pectinovorum, T. amylovorum, T. lecithinolyticum, T. maltophilum, T. medium, T. socranskii) and Borrelia burgdorferi were detected using species specific PCR and antibodies. Importantly, co-infection with several spirochetes occurs in AD. The pathological and biological hallmarks of AD were reproduced in vitro by exposure of mammalian cells to spirochetes. The analysis of reviewed data following Koch's and Hill's postulates shows a probable causal relationship between neurospirochetosis and AD. Persisting inflammation and amyloid deposition initiated and sustained by chronic spirochetal infection form together with the various hypotheses suggested to play a role in the pathogenesis of AD a comprehensive entity. As suggested by Hill, once the probability of a causal relationship is established prompt action is needed. Support and attention should be given to this field of AD research. Spirochetal infection occurs years or decades before the manifestation of dementia. As adequate antibiotic and anti-inflammatory therapies are available, as in syphilis, one might prevent and eradicate dementia.

Keywords:Alzheimer's disease; bacteria; Borrelia burgdorferi; dementia; infection; Lyme disease; periodontal pathogen; spirochetes; Treponema; syphilis

Mamboni comments: This is a fascinating theory. Before one dismisses it out of hand, let's recall that all but a few years ago any suggestion that a bacterium can cause cancer was scoffed at as poppycock. But now we know that certain lymphomas are caused by a stomach bacterial infection, Helicobactor pylori. And there is a very strong association between some colon cancers and a certain bacterium the name of which escapes me. There is a much debated theory that athersoclerosis may in fact represent a chronic low grade bacterial infection.

[palani]

Table salt is now being supplemented with aluminum. I'm sure this benefits someone (just not the man/woman/child using it).

[chad]

Table salt is now being supplemented with aluminum. I'm sure this benefits someone (just not the man/woman/child using it).

eh? where did you hear this?

[palani]

eh? where did you hear this?
Read the ingredients list of a popular brand of table salt. The brand we purchased ended up in the water softener and I learned to read the ingredients before committing to buy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_hydroxide

[sirgonzo420]

eh? where did you hear this?

I think it is used as an anti-caking agent.

[midnight rambler]

can you buy that online ?

YES

i have the impression it's a medium stimulant, in between coffee and cocaine ?

NO



There's a thread on here regarding iboga started last summer.

[Santa]

I wonder if this news is to soften up the idea of a harder eugenics in that old folks (over 65) are going to cost too much in healthcare soon, so we better get comfortable with a "soylent" solution.

[Old Herb Lady]

Dementia & Alzheimer's are akin to nervous breakdowns but inward instead of outward.
Toxins can play a part in it, but the persons stresses and anxieties cause them to just start shutting down.
It is their coping mechanism. (An escape ) It definitely can be healed, takes a lot of work, but it CAN.
Everything can be helped. If you know anyone with it, look at the stress/anxiety they had prior to the onset.
Its usually something traumatic that they couldn't handle anymore and therefore just "checked out" mentally.
(If the tragedy wasn't recent--their mind just keeps repeating the tragedies from years ago)
Its one of the saddest dis-eases there is to see a person have.

[midnight rambler]

Dementia & Alzheimer's are akin to nervous breakdowns but inward instead of outward.
Toxins can play a part in it, but the persons stresses and anxieties cause them to just start shutting down.
It is their coping mechanism. (An escape ) It definitely can be healed, takes a lot of work, but it CAN.
Everything can be helped. If you know anyone with it, look at the stress/anxiety they had prior to the onset.
Its usually something traumatic that they couldn't handle anymore and therefore just "checked out" mentally.
(If the tragedy wasn't recent--their mind just keeps repeating the tragedies from years ago)
Its one of the saddest dis-eases there is to see a person have.

All the more reason to utilize iboga as iboga will definitely address that sort of thing.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Ibogaine has been used to get people addicted to heroin or other opiates unaddicted. Apparently it works. Here is where you can get it:

http://www.ibogaworld.com/shop/

Not cheap. Last I heard it came from Nigeria.


Hatha

[joboo]

What are the odds the claim is either total bullshit or grossly overstated in order to get more funding to sell more pills?

Dr. Barry Greenberg (last name...hmm) makes a claim, where's the evidence?

[midnight rambler]

Ibogaine has been used to get people addicted to heroin or other opiates unaddicted. Apparently it works. Here is where you can get it:

http://www.ibogaworld.com/shop/

Not cheap. Last I heard it came from Nigeria.


Hatha

Far cheaper than traveling aboard for treatments. And I'm confident it doesn't come from Nigeria.

[midnight rambler]

Dementia & Alzheimer's are akin to nervous breakdowns but inward instead of outward.
Toxins can play a part in it, but the persons stresses and anxieties cause them to just start shutting down.
It is their coping mechanism. (An escape ) It definitely can be healed, takes a lot of work, but it CAN.
Everything can be helped. If you know anyone with it, look at the stress/anxiety they had prior to the onset.
Its usually something traumatic that they couldn't handle anymore and therefore just "checked out" mentally.
(If the tragedy wasn't recent--their mind just keeps repeating the tragedies from years ago)
Its one of the saddest dis-eases there is to see a person have.

I definitely think you're spot on with your assessment of how many fall into the grip of dementia. And in discussing this matter with some folks reasonably knowlegeable about iboga the consensus is that this sort of thing is precisely what iboga is best suited for treating (if done before the onset of dementia).

[joboo]

What are the odds the claim is either total bullshit or grossly overstated in order to get more funding to sell more pills?

Dr. Barry Greenberg (last name...hmm) makes a claim, where's the evidence?

No, no, no it came from Alternet, and some Jew doctor, and a lackey from the US health dept says we need to act on it immediately with lot's of new funding, and pills because the existing pills are shit, and they really think it could happen. Super seriously.

Besides it's the kind of doom I want to believe will happen, so that supersedes all fact, and logic by default.

:D

[midnight rambler]

Trolls get dementia too, probably sooner than others. lol

[joboo]

Trolls get dementia too, probably sooner than others. lol

Just shining the light of truth on blatant propaganda.

Sorry this one smells like shit. Don't feel bad because I nailed the assessment. Just be more discerning on what info you believe at face value.

[midnight rambler]

Don't feel bad because I nailed the assessment.

I'm thinking that the chances of you suffering from anosognosia are very high.

[joboo]

I'm thinking that the chances of you suffering from anosognosia are very high.


Of couse, it's highly unlikely a doctor involved in positioning funding for pharaceuticals would want more funding to push pills.

There's a huge problem in the truth community in that some people automatically believe nonsense because it comes from alternative media. Even worse is when they try to impose the crap on other people as if it's the truth without even knowing what they are talking about in the first place.

Shilling for big pharma is what you're doing. Smarten up.


That's two direct attacks on my character instead of debating the information. Nice job.

[mamboni]

Successful grant writing by researchers is more about marketing, massaging of data and who you know than objective scientific merit. It's pretty hard to be objective about the value, or lack thereof, of your research when your next paycheck depends on getting granted. These are the reasons I didn't pursue a medical research career after completing my postdoc. I did not want to be trapped.

[midnight rambler]

Shilling for big pharma is what you're doing.

No I'm not. You're FOS, apparently you haven't been reading my posts. I advocate the use of iboga.

[joboo]

No I'm not. You're FOS, apparently you haven't been reading my posts. I advocate the use of iboga.


You're pushing a propaganda piece plain and simple. Not only that, you foisted this dementia rhetoric scare mongering crap on me in another thread. This is simply unacceptable.

You owe me an apology.

Waiting to see how your character shapes up for all to see.

[midnight rambler]

you foisted this dementia rhetoric scare mongering crap

Are you asserting that dementia is not real??

[joboo]

Are you asserting that dementia is not real??

Where to begin.

First you post an article that makes outrageous claims on dementia. Just over one in every five people will be more or less brain dead by 2050. Ok, this bears looking into.

After looking through it, it essentially boils down to one Jewish doctor actively involved in securing big pharma funding through blatant scare mongering tactics. This one guy, and his opinion, have some monumentally miraculous clout with you apparently.

I feel obligated to point this out, and what I get in return is being called a troll, being accused of having dementia, being accused of having anosognosia, and being full of shit.

There's one particular group I'm thinking of that employs this level of character assassination during discourse in order to promote an agenda. (Three guesses, first two don't count).

So now after pointing all this this out I get the above response. "What? you don't believe dementia is real?"

Can you describe what planet you come from, and what it's like there?

[slvrbugjim]

No I'm not. You're FOS, apparently you haven't been reading my posts. I advocate the use of iboga.
you cannot buy Iboga on the internet and have it shipped to the US, unless you find someone willing to take the risk along with yourself, and I could never
find such a source after some very long searching.

[Serpo]

Don't forget coconut oil 3 to 4 tb spoon a day to prevent dementia

[Old Herb Lady]

Yes Serpo ....and all the good oils....olive oil, flaxseed oil, borage oil, primrose oil, macadamia nut oil, fish oil, grape seed oil, etc....
they all protect the myelin sheath covering the nerves...very important during times of stress.