i have to take a ccw class tonight. what to expect?

[chad]

is this going to be 4 hours of lega speak or 4 hours of some guy showing me how to rack a slide? i can't wait.

[undgrd]

My instructor's first words to the group. "If you're not comfortable with possibly having to murder someone, leave now."

That got everyone's attention.



Mine was a mix of Legal stuff, cover VS concealment, and filling out paperwork.

[EE_]

My instructor's first words to the group. "If you're not comfortable with possibly having to murder someone, leave now."

That got everyone's attention.

So you stayed? Murderer!

[chad]

My instructor's first words to the group. "If you're not comfortable with possibly having to murder someone, leave now."

That got everyone's attention.



Mine was a mix of Legal stuff, cover VS concealment, and filling out paperwork.

only 4 hours so i guess it won't be so bad. my wife is going as well, so that should be interesting.

[iOWNme]

Your class is sanctioned by the STATE. Dont expect to learn ANYTHING of ANY value.


:)

[still afloat]

Only 4 hours
havent done it myself but everyone I know who has here in ky says its the full
8 hours.Class plus range time.
Now back to the instructors comment , I thought it was self defense not murder .
Murder would be what happens when you are unarmed I thought.

[chad]

Your class is sanctioned by the STATE. Dont expect to learn ANYTHING of ANY value.


:)

i know, right? i'm expecting it to be a total waste of my time. i think it's sole purpose is to siphon $100 of my wife and i for the state.

[palani]

I expect the class is a per-requisite of the issuance of the CCW permit/license in which you will be instructed that with the CCW you no longer have a right to do things you would otherwise have a right to do.

[midnight rambler]

My instructor's first words to the group. "If you're not comfortable with possibly having to murder someone, leave now."

That got everyone's attention.



Mine was a mix of Legal stuff, cover VS concealment, and filling out paperwork.

Clearly that instructor is a moron, 'cause murder is a crime and killing in bona fide self-defense is not. I'd have asked for my money back.

[undgrd]

Clearly that instructor is a moron, 'cause murder is a crime and killing in bona fide self-defense is not. I'd have asked for my money back.

Now that you mention it, he may have said Homicide

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

In mine we went question by question through the test and then he told some cool stories about when he was a detective and then we went outside and shot. It was not what I expected at all.

[Horn]

Most of my class was focused on meeting an assailant with equal force., using gun as a defensive weapon.

Positioning and performance in such a situation, aiming for center of gravity.

Or how not to shoot a thief in the back while running from you.

[foolsgold]

My class went over types of handguns single action & double action revolvers, semi auto pistols and derringers. I know there are others no need to impress me or put me down.
How to determine your predominent eye. How to word a NYS CCW permit application to maximize you chances of getting one. Each of us held and dry fired the various guns. Using those red fake bullets we learned how to clear various semi auto pistols.
He went over the laws and when to draw your weapon.
Having never handled anything but an M16 and a BB gun it was interesting.

[willie pete]

well if your instructor looks like this eggplant, I'd get the hell out of there in a HURRY......."I'z the only one in dis room I'z see dats professional enough to carry a glock 40"

http://youtu.be/am-Qdx6vky0

[Heimdhal]

However it goes, good luck and good shootin! ;)

[Glass]

I expect the class is a per-requisite of the issuance of the CCW permit/license in which you will be instructed that with the CCW you no longer have a right to do things you would otherwise have a right to do.

I was going to come back to the licensure thing. I'm still of the mind a licence is a competency document and that a permit is the thing that gives you the privelage to do something otherwise illegal. Been reading the firearms codes here and they issue firearms licences and firearms permits. Permits do not last as long but you do not need a firearms licence if you have a firearms permit.

[chad]

well, got there and they cancelled the class. only 5 of us, and 3 cancelled. rescheduled for november 19.

[palani]

I was going to come back to the licensure thing. I'm still of the mind a licence is a competency document and that a permit is the thing that gives you the privelage to do something otherwise illegal. Been reading the firearms codes here and they issue firearms licences and firearms permits. Permits do not last as long but you do not need a firearms licence if you have a firearms permit.

This is all tied somehow into the commercial plane. In the U.S. of A. a firearm manufactured before 1899 is not deemed entered into commerce and I believe you can carry these weapons without regard to the present commercial state. On 1899 and afterward either the ammo or the weapon is enough to move you into the commercial plane.

If I had my druthers I would just as soon carry a pocket .38 in black powder. It is as lethal as anything currently manufactured if the need arise.

[midnight rambler]

a pocket .38 in black powder. It is as lethal as anything currently manufactured

However unfortunately not as reliable.

[madfranks]

My class went over types of handguns single action & double action revolvers, semi auto pistols and derringers. I know there are others no need to impress me or put me down.
How to determine your predominent eye. How to word a NYS CCW permit application to maximize you chances of getting one. Each of us held and dry fired the various guns. Using those red fake bullets we learned how to clear various semi auto pistols.
He went over the laws and when to draw your weapon.
Having never handled anything but an M16 and a BB gun it was interesting.

My CCW class was pretty much the same, without the "how to maximize your chances" talk. Carrying without a CCW today is a highly risky move, one that could cost you your life if cop ever finds out one way or another about it.

[Heimdhal]

..... I would just as soon carry a pocket .38 in black powder. It is as lethal as anything currently manufactured if the need arise.....


....no. It is NOT. Less than 200 Ft/lbs of energy in a true black powder (no pyrodex) 130 grain conical bullet is NOT as "lethal" as say a modern 9mm with 340 ft/lbs of energy and 1100+ FPS, expanding to 1.5+ times its size. Or, to compare revolvers, a .357 pushing almost 500 Ft/Lbs of energy, neither will it be as reliable.

Im not saying its a bad choice if that is the only choice you have (I.E. Felons, or fellas such as yourself). Point being it is NOT preferable over modern offerings for any other reason.

[Twisted Titan]

which is all the more reason to have a quality EDC knife (or two) on your person at all times

if you every get stopped like ( like i have) if your polite and stroke their ego you can probally explain away the knife being work related

bottom line: do whatever it takes to have something on you that can even the odds should the moment of truth happen to find you

[palani]

....no. It is NOT. Less than 200 Ft/lbs of energy in a true black powder (no pyrodex) 130 grain conical bullet is NOT as "lethal" as say a modern 9mm with 340 ft/lbs of energy and 1100+ FPS, expanding to 1.5+ times its size. I have killed cows with a single .22 to the head.


Im not saying its a bad choice if that is the only choice you have (I.E. Felons, or fellas such as yourself). Point being it is NOT preferable over modern offerings for any other reason.
A modern handgun and modern ammo is evidence of dabbling in commerce. My preference is to honestly avoid commerce to the best of my ability. Avoiding all aspects of commerce is essential.

[chad]

I have killed cows with a single .22 to the head.


A modern handgun and modern ammo is evidence of dabbling in commerce. My preference is to honestly avoid commerce to the best of my ability. Avoiding all aspects of commerce is essential.

not trying to be a smartass, but a .22 is modern ammo. and it's fired by a modern firearm.

[midnight rambler]

I have killed cows with a single .22 to the head.

Yeah, and back when I was doing ridealongs there was an incident where some group was playing either dice or cards, one of the group felt like he was being cheated, he went to his crib, got a .22 rifle, came back and emptied it into the guy he felt was cheating him - 15-17 rounds of .22 LR. The shootee was still standing when EMS showed up, and he survived.

[palani]

not trying to be a smartass, but a .22 is modern ammo. and it's fired by a modern firearm.

Antique origins ... pre-1899

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Long_Rifle

The cartridge originated from the Flobert BB Cap of 1845 through the .22 Smith & Wesson cartridge of 1857, and was developed by the American firearms manufacturer J. Stevens Arms & Tool Company in 1887[3] by combining the casing of the .22 Long with the 40-grain (2.6 g) bullet of the .22 Extra Long.

[sirgonzo420]

Yeah, and back when I was doing ridealongs there was an incident where some group was playing either dice or cards, one of the group felt like he was being cheated, he went to his crib, got a .22 rifle, came back and emptied it into the guy he felt was cheating him - 15-17 rounds of .22 LR. The shootee was still standing when EMS showed up, and he survived.

So, basically, if you plan on using a .22 for defense, make sure your enemies are cows and not cheating dice players.

[mick silver]

if a 22 is place just right i dont give a shit who you are your dead . i carry one in my pocket at all times .

[palani]

Antique origins ... pre-1899

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Long_Rifle

Should point out .. just because the cartridge was DESIGNED and produced before 1899 doesn't mean that you have one of these. If it was manufactured POST 1899 then the ammo has been entered into commerce and any possible defense connected with the antique nature vaporizes (but you can still manufacture your own too).