‘worst storm in 100 years’

[Ponce]

I like the last line "Get your preps ready"........preps are becoming a way of life, like my do grabing his bone when we go out for a walk.
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WORST STORM IN 100 YEARS’
Hurricane Sandy will probably grow into a “Frankenstorm” that may become the worst to hit the U.S. Northeast in 100 years if current forecasts are correct.

Sandy may combine with a second storm coming out of the Midwest to create a system that would rival the New England hurricane of 1938 in intensity, said Paul Kocin, aNational Weather Service meteorologist in College Park,Maryland. The hurricane currently passing the Bahamas has killed 21 people across the Caribbean, the Associated Press reported, citing local officials.

“What we’re seeing in some of our models is a storm at an intensity that we have not seen in this part of the country in the past century,” Kocin said in a telephone interview yesterday. “We’re not trying to hype it, this is what we’re seeing in some of our models. It may come in weaker.”

The hybrid storm may strike anywhere from the Delaware- Maryland-Virginia peninsula to southern New England. The current National Hurricane Center track calls for the system to go ashore in New Jersey on Oct. 30, although landfall predictions often change as storms get closer to shore.

A tropical-storm watch was issued from Savannah River northward to Oregon Inlet in North Carolina, the U.S. NHC said in an advisory. A tropical storm warning is in effect forFlorida’s east coast from Ocean Reef to Flagler Beach. A storm watch means tropical storm conditions are possible within the region, a warning means tropical storm conditions are expected.

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A full moon at the same time will add higher than normal tides to the water that Sandy will be pushing up on shore.

Expect massive flooding.

Wind field could be huge, on the order of 500 miles diameter all at Cat 1 strength.

Also, Appalachians could see massive snow falls.

Real doom with catastrophic damage potential and electricity out for many days.

Get your preps ready.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/its-still-strengthening-worst-storm-in-100-years-seen-for-northeast-u-s-sandy-to-hit-from-nc-to-mass-dc-va-md-wv-de-pa-nj-ny-ct-ri/

[Dogman]

If those two systems meet, it does look like it could turn into a real stinker for people living in its path.

[k-os]

Category 1? Not quite a super storm.

[chad]

i heard a top of the hour radio clip where the head of the dnc is hoping for a cat 4, because it will give obama a chance to go out and "show sympathy" to the displaced after the storm.

[Dogman]

Category 1? Not quite a super storm. Yea, but I think they are thinking the hurricane will get stronger than it is now.

[Libertytree]

According to what I read there's 3 storms colliding, Hurricane Sandy, a major front from the west and an arctic blast from Canada. It's the triple combo that has them worried.

[k-os]

Yea, but I think they are thinking the hurricane will get stronger than it is now.

Not from anything I have read, which admittedly isn't much . . . but it was Cat 1 all the way.

[Dogman]

Not from anything I have read, which admittedly isn't much . . . but it was Cat 1 all the way. The eye of the storm is still in the Bahamas and there is a "Lot" of ocean between there and new england, that the storm will be in the gulf stream and that can make the right now cat 1 storm grow.

As I understand it.

[MNeagle]

http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/weather/weather.com/ussat_440x297.jpg?1351267212





I believe you're on the west coast K-os, so you're a bit sheltered?

Though I have no doubit they can 'steer' storms, & direct them as they wish. Am curious if the smack-daddy leaves DC & heads to Colorado.

[Santa]

I like the last line "Get your preps ready"........preps are becoming a way of life, like my do grabing his bone when we go out for a walk.

"Grab your bone. A storm is coming." by Ponce :)

[Libertytree]

The eye of the storm is still in the Bahamas and there is a "Lot" of ocean between there and new england, that the storm will be in the gulf stream and that can make the right now cat 1 storm grow.

As I understand it.

It is likely to strengthen some once it hits an upper level trough off the coast of NC but that strengthing will be short lived as it approaches land. The whole "Frankenstorm" as it's being called is because of the convergence of the 3 systems combining for the perfect storm.

[k-os]

http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/weather/weather.com/ussat_440x297.jpg?1351267212





I believe you're on the west coast K-os, so you're a bit sheltered?

Though I have no doubit they can 'steer' storms, & direct them as they wish. Am curious if the smack-daddy leaves DC & heads to Colorado.

I'm on the east coast of FL. We've been getting bands of rain and wind for days, nothing major. One of my trees had some heavy limbs fall on my chain link fence and hedge out front. My neighbor called and said "My hubby will be over there to cut up your tree after the hurricane." I said "Uh, ok. What tree?" Hahaha No worries here. I walked around the yard today and it's just a bunch of pine needles and bamboo leaves coating the grass. No big deal.

Dogman, you are right there is a lot of ocean left to cover. Anything can happen. The forecasts that I have read put it at a Cat 1 for landfall in the NE. Also, there's no way the eye is still over the Bahamas. It's gotta be at least 400 miles north of the Bahamas. Just sayin'.

I think (hope) that they're just hyping this storm because of her size. She's a biggun.

[singular_me]

I see the beginning of the Rockies (mountains) up here... so I guess I am safe for now

however since HAARP exists I cannot blame mother nature anymore...

[osoab]

The weather channel should be getting some record viewership.

[iOWNme]

The Government has had weather control measures and patents in place since the late 1960's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_control
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5984239.html


If they didnt create this storm, they sure do have the technology to break it up and divert it. Think they will?

And im supposed to believe that the worst storm in 100 years is going to land at the same time the biggest election of our time is? I was born at night, but not last night.

[chad]

here's the false flag.

[Ponce]

Don't worry guys, the "real" storm will be when Obama opens his mouth and all that hot air comes out.....we can only hope that he will never will say anything else.................hope your preps are handy.

[k-os]

And im supposed to believe that the worst storm in 100 years is going to land at the same time the biggest election of our time is? I was born at night, but not last night.

Excellent point. . . they hype alone over this storm could keep a deciding percentage of people at home.

[Ponce]

Sandy is ready to party......... http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

[Sparky]

A little context here...

The current "Storm of the Century" is the 1993 SuperStorm, or "Blizzard of 1993". (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Storm_of_the_Century). I believe it generated the largest area of 6-inch snowfall on record, ranging from Alabama to Maine. That storm had a central pressure that bottomed at 960 millibars. This storm is modeled to have a central pressure below 950 mb on Tuesday morning.

The thing that's so unusual about this hurricane is the projected path, as it gets "captured" by the evolving steering level wind pattern. Below is a model forecast for Monday night through Wednesday morning, at 12-hour intervals. It moves northwest into Cape Cod, and then WSW into NYC, where it then sits for 12-24 hours. (See http://weather.unisys.com/gfs/gfs.php?inv=0&plot=pres&region=us&t=4d for clearer graphics.)

So the "historic" potential is 1) an unusually large storm in terms of area of wind impact, 2) impact over the most densely population region of the country, 3) an extraordinary path, 4) nearly stationary impact after landfall, allowing for a prolonged period of damaging wind and weather.

This may not pan out as forecast, but it will almost assuredly be a massive storm threatening a high-impact area,even if it doesn't strike. This was first talked about two days ago as being a big deal. The fact that this type of scenario can be anticipated 6 days in advance is remarkable. My apologies to those of you who think this storm is manufactured.

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[old steel]

Sparky are you saying you don't believe they have or at least they are working on the capability to manufacture and control weather systems?

[General of Darkness]

http://pauldunay.com/images/perfect-storm.jpg

http://bhangraempire.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/perfect-storm.jpg

[gunDriller]

when i was a teen-ager in rural Connecticut, we used to love these storms.

no school, and everything is shut down. power is out, roads are covered in ice.

we would smoke pot and go on miles long sleigh rides down the long hills, laughing hysterically part of the way.

of course we also got a lot of experience walking back to the beginning of the run. one or 2 of those and it would be time to go indoors and, basically, eat.


this storm will probably make some East Coast teenagers very happy.

[Sparky]

Sparky are you saying you don't believe they have or at least they are working on the capability to manufacture and control weather systems?
I think they are probably working on (and have some capability) to effect local or regional impacts of weather on a tactical time frame (hours). An example would be cloud seeding. If you know there's going to be conditions favorable for a storm, you can seed areas such that the precipitation gets extracted in specific concentrated area. But even there, the "skill" is poor, but the impact can probably be biased.

You can't make a hurricane or steer it (much). You could probably modestly impact its development or slightly modify its path by coating huge swaths of the ocean with chemicals, but that wouldn't go unnoticed.

So I'm skeptical, though I don't doubt that they have given this a lot of thought and would be willing to do it if they could. The ocean-atmosphere is too big and complex. The energy involved is astronomical. Heat and moisture budgets interact on too many scales to "manipulate" effectively. If HAARP can heat parts of the ionosphere, there still would not be the precision required to control specific events, like the development and paths of hurricanes.

[MNeagle]

The Government has had weather control measures and patents in place since the late 1960's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_control
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5984239.html


If they didnt create this storm, they sure do have the technology to break it up and divert it. Think they will?

And im supposed to believe that the worst storm in 100 years is going to land at the same time the biggest election of our time is? I was born at night, but not last night.

Umm, election is Nov. 6 so this storm should be well over.

Now, on steering/HAARP/creating storms as they wish, absolutely. Do a bit more research (not you SJ) & you'll see,

[old steel]

when i was a teen-ager in rural Connecticut, we used to love these storms.

no school, and everything is shut down. power is out, roads are covered in ice.

we would smoke pot and go on miles long sleigh rides down the long hills, laughing hysterically part of the way.

of course we also got a lot of experience walking back to the beginning of the run. one or 2 of those and it would be time to go indoors and, basically, eat.


this storm will probably make some East Coast teenagers very happy.

They still do that like smoke pot and such? ;D

[Sparky]

Umm, election is Nov. 6 so this storm should be well over.

Now, on steering/HAARP/creating storms as they wish, absolutely. Do a bit more research (not you SJ) & you'll see,

Point us to some research. SJ's link is very vague. The only thing I read are ideas about how to re-direct energy to change weather. No details about how that could possibly work.

And it's not like I'm unwilling to be skeptical. I'm here, right? I just don't see it.

[osoab]

The Government has had weather control measures and patents in place since the late 1960's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_control
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5984239.html


If they didnt create this storm, they sure do have the technology to break it up and divert it. Think they will?

And im supposed to believe that the worst storm in 100 years is going to land at the same time the biggest election of our time is? I was born at night, but not last night.


Barry has told all the proles to go out and early vote. Expectations of power outages?

[Glass]

Hurricane Sandy heads for US, kills 38 in Caribbean

MIAMI (AFP) - Hurricane Sandy rumbled toward the US east coast Friday threatening as much as a third of the United States with what has been dubbed a powerful "Frankenstorm," after leaving 38 dead in the Caribbean.

While Sandy lashed the Bahamas with heavy rains and high waves, forecasters looked to next week, when the storm could collide with a seasonal "nor'easter" weather system that would super-charge it while dragging it west onto land.

Before then, Sandy will amble up the coast as a huge, slow-moving system while the eastern United States braces for huge tidal surges, power outages, inland flooding and even heavy snowfall on high ground far from the coast.

As emergency response teams and frightened families stocked up on essential supplies, meteorologists said Sandy could affect as much as third of the country, from the Carolinas up to New England and as far inland as Ohio.
"It is going to be a challenging storm," Federal Emergency Management Agency administrator Craig Fugate said, as officials warned it was too early to say when and where the storm will make its initial landfall.

"We know somebody is going to get hit. We just cannot say who that somebody is going to be," said James Franklin, branch chief of the Miami-based National Hurricane Center (NHC), during a telephone press conference Friday.

Meteorologists have nicknamed the unusual confluence of weather patterns a "Frankenstorm," because it will hit right before Halloween on October 31 and is composed of parts from different sources, as was Frankenstein's Monster.

The sprawling US Navy base in Norfolk, Virginia said it was sending an entire fleet of ships out to sea to get out of the way of the storm.

Further north, the mayor of New York, Michael Bloomberg, said the city was ready for anything Sandy can throw at the city, and cautioned against panic.

Authorities in New York state and the US capital Washington declared a state of emergency, directing officials to speed up storm preparations.

One quirk of Sandy is that whereas most hurricanes tend to drift east after making landfall, this one could head inland because of a separate weather system high up in the atmosphere and far north, over southeast Canada.

Louis Uccellini, director of the National Centers for Environmental Prediction, said the danger of coastal flooding was higher because Sandy will strike during a full moon, when tides are already at their highest.

Sandy could last through several tidal cycles and cause repeated flooding.

In a bulletin at 2100 GMT, the NHC said Sandy was north of Great Abaco Island, in the Bahamas, which bore the brunt of the storm, with maximum sustained winds of 75 miles (120 kilometers) per hour.

In some areas of the Bahamas and then later in Florida and elsewhere in the United States, flood waters could reach three to five feet in depth if the peak surge coincides with high tide.

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article (http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/world/15228424/hurricane-sandy-kills-21-in-caribbean-takes-aim-at-us/)

Did the storm catch them unawares? seems like a high toll.

[woodman]

I think they are probably working on (and have some capability) to effect local or regional impacts of weather on a tactical time frame (hours). An example would be cloud seeding. If you know there's going to be conditions favorable for a storm, you can seed areas such that the precipitation gets extracted in specific concentrated area. But even there, the "skill" is poor, but the impact can probably be biased.

You can't make a hurricane or steer it (much). You could probably modestly impact its development or slightly modify its path by coating huge swaths of the ocean with chemicals, but that wouldn't go unnoticed.

So I'm skeptical, though I don't doubt that they have given this a lot of thought and would be willing to do it if they could. The ocean-atmosphere is too big and complex. The energy involved is astronomical. Heat and moisture budgets interact on too many scales to "manipulate" effectively. If HAARP can heat parts of the ionosphere, there still would not be the precision required to control specific events, like the development and paths of hurricanes.


Agree 100%.

[Horn]

I predict the next iceage will commence upon its passing.

[EE_]

Any chance this storm could wash out DC, Manhattan and Martha's Vineyard?
Just wishful thinking...http://www.theprofilebrotherhood.com/forum/images/smilies/crossed_fingers.gif

[iOWNme]

Point us to some research. SJ's link is very vague. The only thing I read are ideas about how to re-direct energy to change weather. No details about how that could possibly work.

And it's not like I'm unwilling to be skeptical. I'm here, right? I just don't see it.

It has nothing to do with HAARP, it has to do with using radar and cloud seeding. There are a TON of sites with info about this stuff. hey used this stuff in Vietnam literally making it rain everyday. How about weather modification Treaties from the 1970's?


http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org/?q=weather-modifications
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Modification_Convention
http://www.scribd.com/doc/3436120/UN-1976-Weather-Weapon-Treaty
http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1694.cfm


(http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1694.cfm)Im not saying that the current storm is their creation, but i am saying that it easily could be.

[Sparky]

It has nothing to do with HAARP, it has to do with using radar and cloud seeding. There are a TON of sites with info about this stuff. hey used this stuff in Vietnam literally making it rain everyday. How about weather modification Treaties from the 1970's?


http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org/?q=weather-modifications
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Modification_Convention
http://www.scribd.com/doc/3436120/UN-1976-Weather-Weapon-Treaty
http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1694.cfm


(http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1694.cfm)Im not saying that the current storm is their creation, but i am saying that it easily could be.

These links just talk about weather modification as a topic, and treaties regarding weather modification, but none actually describe how it's done, or even propose a theory as to how it could be done. "Redirecting ionospheric energy" is too vague. Where would you redirect it to, and how would that impact the weather?? You can't just make a hurricane by heating a patch of ocean, and you certainly can't steer it that way.

I've agreed that cloud seeding and local modification are being done, and that other localized impacts could be created. But to suggest that creating the current storm "easily could be" done is totally unfounded. Sorry, but this demonstrates a lack of understanding.

[iOWNme]

These links just talk about weather modification as a topic, and treaties regarding weather modification, but none actually describe how it's done, or even propose a theory as to how it could be done. "Redirecting ionospheric energy" is too vague. Where would you redirect it to, and how would that impact the weather?? You can't just make a hurricane by heating a patch of ocean, and you certainly can't steer it that way.

I've agreed that cloud seeding and local modification are being done, and that other localized impacts could be created. But to suggest that creating the current storm "easily could be" done is totally unfounded. Sorry, but this demonstrates a lack of understanding.

I disagree.

Much like 9/11 could have been a real plan, and then was intercepted by CIA/Mossad and then directed and steered to their advantage. These storms could have been organic, and they used them to create an even bigger mess. They could have steered 2 or 3 storms into each other, something that may not have happened organically. Just an idea......

Also, why would their be treaties between countries about not modifying weather within their boarders if it wasnt possible to effect storms and other weather conditions from afar?

[Sparky]

I disagree.

Much like 9/11 could have been a real plan, and then was intercepted by CIA/Mossad and then directed and steered to their advantage. These storms could have been organic, and they used them to create an even bigger mess. They could have steered 2 or 3 storms into each other, something that may not have happened organically. Just an idea......

Also, why would their be treaties between countries about not modifying weather within their boarders if it wasnt possible to effect storms and other weather conditions from afar?

It would be much easier to plan 9/11.

The treaties are reasonable, because you could do something like seed clouds upstream from an agricultural area to precipitate moisture out so as to cause a localized drought. As I said, local stuff is possible.

But to create, merge, strengthen, and steer storms? As I said, it shows lack of understanding.

And hypothetically, if you could do this, it would not be reflected in the forecast models. For instance, if this particular storm were being modified to strengthen and steer, those characteristics would not show up in the forecast models, which are entirely based on initial conditions and forward-projected physics. The developing strength into a super-storm, and the general path, will have been forecast a week in advance before it lands. That's just not consistent with it being it being modified on the fly. And several of these global models are run independently by different countries, so it's not like they could be "rigged". (Well, I suppose they could be, but that would be a terrific stretch.)

And storm development and movement occurs through the physics of motion extending 10's of thousand of feet in the vertical, over hundreds of thousands of square miles of the earth's surface. How could you possible have the precision to control that astronomical volume of atmosphere? If you're going to present a conspiracy theory, you have to provide some type of plausibility, which I have yet to see. For instance, I've not totally bought into the 9/11 theory, but I respect its plausibility, and I don't reject it. So these ill-conceived conspiracy theories give legitimate conspiracy theories a bad name! ;)

[Horn]

Over the past years the U.S. gets at least one tropical depression that swings up into it thru a trough north signaling the beginning of winter.

This one was obviously created by God to destroy all the pagan Halloween celebrations in Washington D.C.

[Libertytree]

I hope all of yaw'll up there are getting your ducks in a row, it looks like this one is a doozy.

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/article.html

By Dr. Jeff Masters (http://www.wunderground.com/about/jmasters.asp)

Published: 2:34 PM GMT on October 28, 2012
Massive and dangerous Hurricane Sandy (http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/at201218.public.html) has grown to record size as it barrels northeastwards along the North Carolina coast at 10 mph. At 8 am EDT, Sandy's tropical storm-force winds extended northeastwards 520 miles from the center, and twelve-foot high seas covered a diameter of ocean 1,030 miles across. Since records of storm size began in 1988, (http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/%3Ca) no tropical storm or hurricane has been larger (though Hurricane Olga of 2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Olga_%282001%29) had a larger 690 mile radius of tropical storm-force winds when it was a subtropical storm (http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2001/mar/al172001.fstadv.005.html) near Bermuda.) Sandy has put an colossal volume of ocean water in motion with its widespread and powerful winds, and the hurricane's massive storm surge is already impacting the coast. A 2' storm surge has been recorded at numerous locations this morning from Virginia to Connecticut, including a 3' surge at Virginia's Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel (http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/data_menu.shtml?stn=8638863%20Chesapeake%20Bay%20B ridge%20Tunnel,%20VA&type=Tide%20Data) and Sewells Point (http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/data_menu.shtml?stn=8638610%20Sewells%20Point,%20V A&type=Tide%20Data) at 9 am EDT. Huge, 10 - 15 foot-high battering waves on top of the storm surge have washed over Highway 12 connecting North Carolina's Outer Banks to the mainland at South Nags Head this morning. The highway is now impassable, and has been closed. The coast guard station on Cape Hatteras, NC, recorded (http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=MHCGN7&day=28&month=10&year=2012) sustained winds of 50 mph, gusting to 61 mph, at 5:53 am EDT this morning. In Delaware, the coastal highway Route 1 between Dewey Beach and Bethany Beach has been closed due to high water. Even though Sandy is a minimal Category 1 hurricane, its storm surge is extremely dangerous, and if you are in a low-lying area that is asked to evacuate, I strongly recommend that you leave.

http://icons.wxug.com/hurricane/2012/oct29_sat.jpg

Intensity and Track Forecast for Sandy
Sandy has a rather unusual structure, with the strongest winds on the southwest side of the center, but a larger area of tropical storm-force winds to the northeast of the center. Most of the storm's heavy thunderstorm activity is on the storm's west side, in a thick band several hundred miles removed from the center, giving Sandy more the appearance of a subtropical storm rather than a hurricane. Satellite loops (http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/floaters/18L/18L_floater.html) show that the low-level center of Sandy is no longer exposed to view, and heavy thunderstorms are increasing in areal extent near the center, due to a reduction in wind shear from 35 - 40 knots last night to 25 - 30 knots this morning. Wind shear is expected (http://ftp.nhc.noaa.gov/atcf/stext/12102712AL1812_ships.txt) to drop another 5 knots today, which may allow the storm to build an increased amount of heavy thunderstorms near its center and intensify by 5 - 10 mph over the next 24 hours. The NOAA Hurricane Hunters noted this morning that Sandy had a partial eyewall on the west through SE sides of the center, and the storm may be able to build a nearly complete eyewall by Monday morning. By Monday afternoon, though, Sandy will be moving over cool 25°C waters, which should slow down this intensification process. However, the trough of low pressure that will be pulling Sandy to the northwest towards landfall on Monday will strengthen the storm by injecting "baroclinic" energy--the energy one can derive from the atmosphere when warm and cold air masses lie in close proximity to each other. Sandy should have sustained winds at hurricane force, 75 - 80 mph, at landfall. Sandy's central pressure is expected to drop from its current 951 mb to 945 - 950 mb at landfall Monday night. A pressure this low is extremely rare; according to wunderground weather historian Christopher C. Burt, the lowest pressure ever measured anywhere in the U.S. north of Cape Hatteras, NC, is 946 mb (27.94") measured at the Bellport Coast Guard Station on Long Island, NY on September 21, 1938 during the great "Long Island Express" hurricane. The latest set of 00Z (8 pm EDT) and 06Z (2 am EDT) computer model runs (http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at201218_model.html) are in agreement that Sandy will make landfall between 10 pm Monday night and 4 am Tuesday morning in New Jersey.

Sandy's storm surge a huge threat
Last night's 9:30 pm EDT H*Wind analysis (http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Storm_pages/sandy2012/wind.html) from NOAA's Hurricane Research Division put the destructive potential of Sandy's winds at a modest 2.6 on a scale of 0 to 6. However, the destructive potential of the storm surge was exceptionally high: 5.7 on a scale of 0 to 6. This is a higher destructive potential than any hurricane observed between 1969 - 2005, including Category 5 storms like Katrina, Rita, Wilma, Camille, and Andrew. The previous highest destructive potential for storm surge was 5.6 on a scale of 0 to 6, set during Hurricane Isabel of 2003. Sandy is now forecast to bring a near-record storm surge of 6 - 11 feet to Northern New Jersey and Long Island Sound, including the New York City Harbor. While Sandy's storm surge will be nowhere near as destructive as Katrina's, the storm surge does have the potential to cause many billions of dollars in damage if it hits near high tide at 9 pm EDT on Monday. The full moon is on Monday, which means astronomical high tide will be about 5% higher than the average high tide for the month. This will add another 2 - 3" to water levels. Fortunately, Sandy is now predicted to make a fairly rapid approach to the coast, meaning that the peak storm surge will not affect the coast for multiple high tide cycles. Sandy's storm surge will be capable of overtopping the flood walls in Manhattan, which are only five feet above mean sea level. On August 28, 2011, Tropical Storm Irene brought a storm surge of 4.13' to Battery Park on the south side of Manhattan. The waters poured over the flood walls into Lower Manhattan, but came 8 - 12" shy of being able to flood the New York City subway system. According to the latest storm surge forecast for NYC from NHC, Sandy's storm surge is expected to be several feet higher than Irene's. If the peak surge arrives near Monday evening's high tide at 9 pm EDT, a portion of New York City's subway system could flood, resulting in billions of dollars in damage. I give a 50% chance that Sandy's storm surge will end up flooding a portion of the New York City subway system.

[Large Sarge]

just keep thinking NYC is an island, they will close bridges, close flooded tunnels, and everyone is trapped

and I have to wonder with the stock exchange there, if this will result in another 9/11 type heist/fraud while everything is shutdown

[Large Sarge]

NOAA 11 Am update on Sandy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq88echOMGQ

[singular_me]

they could manage to have a few of these to go off then blame the storm
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More Than A Dozen Nuclear Power Plants In Path Of 'Frankenstorm'
http://beforeitsnews.com/weather/2012/10/more-than-a-dozen-nuclear-power-plants-in-path-of-frankenstorm-2437316.html

[Sparky]

One of my propane tanks went dry yesterday, so I made sure to get it filled today. I get it from a local couple who have a pretty big customer base for a mom-and-pop operation. They said yesterday was non-stop. and they started showing up again at 10:30 this morning, even though they don't open until noon on Sundays. He said he picked up his 1000 gallon weekly distribution allotment on Wednesday, and is already almost out. He has to hold a little back for emergency house deliveries. There were still people arriving for fill-ups as I was leaving.

[Large Sarge]

this could be a real mad max event for the region up there,

no food, no water, no fuel, no power , for possibly weeks.

think katrina/rita but on a much larger scale.

and we all know how FEMA and the gov will respond, to prolong the agony

I mean if this thing gets out of hand, even barring nuclear disasters, the casualties could be pretty high pretty quick, all hospitals have back up generators, but I cannot imagine they keep more than week or so of fuel for the generators,

all thos folks are at risk,

add in the cold weather, no power/heating, people could die from exposure

it could get really grim

and I am of the opinion this is no coincidence.

look at the timing, 1 week before the election
halloween, satanic holiday

50 million people with no power, no food, etc will not vote, they are going to be scrambling to find potable water, food, etc

will the elction even count if say 4 or 5 states that are heavily populated cannot even participate?

[singular_me]

sorry guys, more possible bad news

Was ‘Sandy’ Planned Back In 1997? 1997 Drill Was Based Upon 1938 Killer Hurricane

Back in 1997, a hurricane simulation drill took place surrounding a hypothetical Hurricane Sandy, modeled after the Hurricane of 1938 which swept up the Eastern Seaboard into New York. Below you’ll find information and charts base around the 1997 drill. Also included below are two other videos dedicated to the 1938 Hurricane, which coincidentally sound quite similar to Hurricane Sandy.

Westchester County Communications Officer Sandy Fried, an Amateur Radio operator and ODES staff member, had recently attended a training seminar at the National Hurricane Center in Miami. Part of the training was a simulation using data from the Hurricane of 1938 that caused major losses on Long Island and in Westchester. The texts of the simulated bulletins, forecasts, discussions and strike probabilities along with the hurricane’s track were sent home with the seminar attendees. We named the simulated hurricane after Sandy, who incidentally was nine years old during the real Hurricane of 1938.

These texts were used as the drill stimulus. They were time-shifted to simulate land-fall around 6pm on Saturday, October 4th. Working backward from this time, we used these texts to generate and automatically update a World Wide Web status page (http://www.weca.org/SET) and send email to the Westchester ARES/RACES email reflector and fax to the County Emergency Operations center at the times that the National Weather Service would normally have sent them.

http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2012/10/was-sandy-planned-back-in-1997-1997-drill-was-based-upon-1938-killer-hurricane-2445656.html

[Sparky]

Singular, this hurricane is really not similar to the Hurricane of 1938, although it is massive. The 1938 hurricane was notable for two things:
1) The storm itself accelerated to 50 mph, so the storm came up from Hatteras to New England/Long Island in 12 hours, rather than the forecast 24 hours. (Remember, no satellite tracking image back then). As a result, most of the population was caught off guard.
2) The fast storm motion (50 mph) gets added onto the hurricane wind speed to the right of the storm path, which resulted in an incredibly enormous surge. I read some first-hand accounts of people on rooftoops watching an entire neighborhood of houses getting lifted off of their foundations and taken by the surge.

This hurricane will actually be moving rather slow at landfall, because it's slowing down to make a left turn as it gets captured by the evolving winds aloft. Although this alleviates the storm surge, it means that those areas impacted by hurricane force winds will remain in the high wind field for an unusually long time, e.g. 12-24 hours. Normally, northeast hurricanes are fast-hitters. They blow through within a few hours.

My guess is they used the 1938 hurricane as a model to prepare for extremes surges in the northeast.

[chad]

good thing i don't live by oceans.

[Libertytree]

good thing i don't live by oceans.

I read earlier that Wisc is gonna get some rain outta this storm too.

[mamboni]

Live webcam of NY Harbor:

http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/statueofliberty/index.php?cam=liberty_hd

Most likely storm track has eye of storm directly over my house on Tuesday late morning into noon.

Main backup 18 kW propane generator tested and ready.
Backup Honda gas generator ready.
One year of food ready.
Several cases of bottled water ready.
Lots of flashlights, matchs, lanturns with fuel, medicines.
All lose objects secured indoors - chairs, umbrellas, tables, pots etc.
Cars filled and parked in central clearing away from southeast woods.
Fully stocked up on dog and chicken food.


Except for securing outdoors, we didn't do any prepping as this is the status at my home 24/7. The nice thing about being in prep mode is there is a lot less stress as you beat the rush. But, there is potential for property and people damage which cannot be prevented. I may be sleeping in the hospital Tuesday into Wednesday. We shall see. We're taking things in stride.

[Sparky]

...
The nice thing about being in prep mode is there is a lot less stress as you beat the rush.
...


True. I kept thinking I should run to the grocery store, but I couldn't think of anything to buy!

I also went around and secured around the house. Cleared the deck chairs, emptied the gutters, relocated the grill.

[Katmandu]

The local news here (one of the mid-atlantic states, on the coast) is calling for high tide to be about 6ft above normal this evening, and then approaching 7ft above normal for tomorrow morning. The 7ft above-normal high tide tomorrow will be just under what Hurricane Irene (2011) produced and nearly one foot below what Hurricane Isabel (2003) produced. Winds right now several miles inland have only been about 20 mph sustained for most of the day so far.

Irene was somewhat of a non-event in this area. Isabel resulted in a ton of downed trees and power outages for up to 2 weeks for many people.

[Shami-Amourae]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-28/bread-aisle-manhattans-upper-west-side-now-empty

The bread aisle in the Upper West Side, not to be confused with the bread aisle in post-hyperinflation Zimbabwe...
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/10/Food%20Emporium_0.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/10/Food%20Emporium.jpg)

[Ponce]

Check out this satellite photo of Sandy........ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gsfc/8131382839/in/set-72157631853940024

[BrewTech]

Check out this satellite photo of Sandy........ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gsfc/8131382839/in/set-72157631853940024

My first impression:

http://www.extremeclipart.com/images/products/preview/5013571.jpg

[Dick_Stabber]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-W3a8oMeIo



Should make for a good dry run for the collapse.

[osoab]

this could be a real mad max event for the region up there,

no food, no water, no fuel, no power , for possibly weeks.

think katrina/rita but on a much larger scale.

and we all know how FEMA and the gov will respond, to prolong the agony

I mean if this thing gets out of hand, even barring nuclear disasters, the casualties could be pretty high pretty quick, all hospitals have back up generators, but I cannot imagine they keep more than week or so of fuel for the generators,

all thos folks are at risk,

add in the cold weather, no power/heating, people could die from exposure

it could get really grim

and I am of the opinion this is no coincidence.

look at the timing, 1 week before the election
halloween, satanic holiday

50 million people with no power, no food, etc will not vote, they are going to be scrambling to find potable water, food, etc

will the elction even count if say 4 or 5 states that are heavily populated cannot even participate?

And a full moon tomorrow too.

[vacuum]

And a full moon tomorrow too.

Which will make the tides high:

http://home.hiwaay.net/%7Ekrcool/Astro/moon/moontides/TideAni.gif

[Dick_Stabber]

Which will make the tides high



And every nut job come out of hiding. [(:)][(:)]

[Libertytree]

That storm pushed through here starting last Wed night and the wind is still blowing. Not as bad as it was Thurs and Fri but limbs are still falling and it is noticeably colder, I can't imagine what it's gonna be like up north when Sandy parks her ass and then a cold blast adds insult to injury.

[mamboni]

Here we go, 1 AM Monday and look at the swells in NY harbor right now - holy shit.

Baba Booey - New York Harbor Entrance Buoy Data


http://chartistfriendfrompittsburgh.blogspot.com/2012/10/baba-booey-new-york-harbor-entrance.html

[vacuum]

Here we go, 1 AM Monday and look at the swells in NY harbor right now - holy shit.

Baba Booey - New York Harbor Entrance Buoy Data


http://chartistfriendfrompittsburgh.blogspot.com/2012/10/baba-booey-new-york-harbor-entrance.html

Crazy


https://lh3.ggpht.com/-VunJRvMy70k/UI3gPH4isdI/AAAAAAAAWCA/BgR_5eSS2sU/s1600/121028-C.png (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VunJRvMy70k/UI3gPH4isdI/AAAAAAAAWCA/BgR_5eSS2sU/s1600/121028-C.png)

[milehi]

This is what I'm thinking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IydBcGTZzH4

[Glass]

so did you guys all get washed away yet? It'll probably turn out to be asthmatic altough it's starting to look a bit breezy.

http://www.nyharborwebcam.com/

[Large Sarge]

HAARP seen from radar/Satellite working on Sandy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4P7Kr17RX8&feature=player_embedded

[Neuro]

HAARP seen from radar/Satellite working on Sandy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4P7Kr17RX8&feature=player_embedded
I guess it could be, but I wouldn't trust this Preacher on it, unless she has a degree in meteorology! I have no way of determining it though, due to my lack of knowledge...

[mamboni]

The last 'Frankenstorm': Video of the 1938 nor'easter that ravaged New EnglandHistoric footage of a deadly storm offers clues about what to expect from Hurricane Sandyposted on October 29, 2012, at 9:05 AM

http://theweek.com/article/index/235529/the-last-frankenstorm-video-of-the-1938nbspnoreasternbspthat-ravaged-new-england (http://theweek.com/article/index/235529/the-last-frankenstorm-video-of-the-1938nbspnoreasternbspthat-ravaged-new-england)

[chad]

I read earlier that Wisc is gonna get some rain outta this storm too.

man, i hope so. one of my ponds is completely dry, the other one is down to 2 feet deep. that's my backup water supply.

[Neuro]

so did you guys all get washed away yet? It'll probably turn out to be asthmatic altough it's starting to look a bit breezy.

http://www.nyharborwebcam.com/
Right now I can see a lot of people out by the waterfront, and they don't seem to be struggling too much against the wind, seems to be quite a level rise required before any flooding is going to occurr at the site of the web camera at least...

[goldleaf]

Chad, I've seen a few reports saying we'll probably have a winter similar to last years. Every bear hunter that I have talked to says that they haven't seen any bears killed with fat on them. Also, the bucks are real heavy into the rut already here which will result in an earlier fawn crop.

As far as weather control goes, seems strange that they would locate a storm in an area where a large portion of the elites reside? Maybe God does have the final say on weather.

[Libertytree]

Here's a live Weather channel feed.

http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at201218_live.html?extraprod=live

90mph winds at the center and the pressure is at 940.

[singular_me]

Here's a live Weather channel feed.

http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at201218_live.html?extraprod=live

90mph winds at the center and the pressure is at 940.

and also this one

Live mainstream updates
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/10/hurricane-sandy-live-updates/

[mamboni]

3884

[Libertytree]

Chad, IDK how close you are to the Great Lakes but they're expecting 10-12 ft waves and rain.

[chad]

Chad, IDK how close you are to the Great Lakes but they're expecting 10-12 ft waves and rain.

120 south of superior, about 220 or so from michigan. bright, sunny day here. no wind at all. thinking about going out back and doing a little grouse at lunch.

[Glass]

Right now I can see a lot of people out by the waterfront, and they don't seem to be struggling too much against the wind, seems to be quite a level rise required before any flooding is going to occurr at the site of the web camera at least...

yeah there is still a lot of people walking around. It's a bit windy and the waters a bit choppy. It's almost like a storm.

Actually it's much windier now.

[Neuro]

yeah there is still a lot of people walking around. It's a bit windy and the waters a bit choppy. It's almost like a storm.

Actually it's much windier now.
Yes, you can see that people are struggling more against the wind now!

[EE_]

I wonder if a lot of people thought to get some cash on hand. You would think the atm's would be cleaned out and people standing in line at banks this morning to get more.

On a bright note, building material suppliers, construction crews and utility companies are rubbing their hands together waiting to go to work in this recession. Home Depot has already made a killing.

I'm still wondering if this thing is going to play out like they are saying?

[Libertytree]

If anything there's every indication that it's gonna be worse than they initially thought. IMHO, this is SHTF for millions of people, especially considering all the factors at play, wind, water, cold, power outages etc.. I don't think a good many people understand or believe the dire consequences that are unfolding and the magnitude of this once in a lifetime hybrid storm.

Here it is 5 1/2 days after Sandy came past the east coast of Fl and the wind is still very much evident along with the cooler temps. It was just a hiccup here but whats facing those up north is mind boggling.

The cities are not prepared construction wise for 70-90 mph winds and the bottle necking of those winds only intensifies the matter. Imagine all the flying debris from those mega tall buildings that weren't built for this. Keep in mind it's just not the wind either, there's gonna be no telling how much water that will hamper them for days. This is DOOM unfolding IRL, this ain't no movie or idle speculation.

[Large Sarge]

sandy could directly hit spent fuel pools
(fukushima)
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/10/hurricane-sandy-may-score-a-direct-hit-on-spent-fuel-pools-of-nuclear-plant.html

[osoab]

Dufus is going to speak.


http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden)

Obama Address To The Nation Over Hurricane Sandy - Live Webcast (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-29/obama-address-nation-over-hurricane-sandy-live-webcast)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wew3NR9NLk8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wew3NR9NLk8

[Neuro]

So Dufus said do as we tell you and you'll be fine, if you don't you put the emergency teams at risk!

[Horn]

So Dufus said do as we tell you and you'll be fine, if you don't you put the emergency teams at risk!

What he really meant to say is we need millions of regular people to starve to death in their homes while tuning to CNN to be able to afford to pay for emergency teams to save one or two foolish people.

[Neuro]

What he really meant to say is we need millions of regular people to starve to death in their homes while tuning to CNN to be able to afford to pay for emergency teams to save one or two foolish people.
Actually he said that millions of people will starve to death in FEMA camps, those who don't agree with that will be shot.

[EE_]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxZ8Euiq_zc

[Sparky]

HAARP seen from radar/Satellite working on Sandy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4P7Kr17RX8&feature=player_embedded

Total crock of shit. Those "chemical drops" are simply embedded cloud convection, and the "sonic undulations" are high level cirrus, which is composed of ice crystals and very commonly take on that wispy appearance in high winds. Notice at 5:00 when she talks about chemicals being pulled into the flow around the hurricane, she indicates a clockwise motion around the storm center. Yet air moves counterclockwise around storms in the northern hemisphere.

She made no attempt to explain how the "interference" would impact the storm intensity or motion at some physical level. What are the chemicals designed to do? How do "sonic undulations" work? The storm was originally forecast to track east. Wouldn't sonic undulations from the west push it even further east?

The flickering radar images? Very common in radar data processing. Also, in certain atmospheric conditions, the signal emitted from the radar will bend downward toward the earth, creating false radar returns. This is very well understood, and known as "anomalous propagation". Have you ever noticed mysterious circular rings of radar imagery, particularly in the evening in the fall? That's anomalous propagation.

This woman is an embarrassment to serious conspiracy theoreticians!

[Neuro]

Total crock of shit. Those "chemical drops" are simply embedded cloud convection, and the "sonic undulations" are high level cirrus, which is composed of ice crystals and very commonly take on that wispy appearance in high winds. Notice at 5:00 when she talks about chemicals being pulled into the flow around the hurricane, she indicates a clockwise motion around the storm center. Yet air moves counterclockwise around storms in the northern hemisphere.

She made no attempt to explain how the "interference" would impact the storm intensity or motion at some physical level. What are the chemicals designed to do? How do "sonic undulations" work? The storm was originally forecast to track east. Wouldn't sonic undulations from the west push it even further east?

The flickering radar images? Very common in radar data processing. Also, in certain atmospheric conditions, the signal emitted from the radar will bend downward toward the earth, creating false radar returns. This is very well understood, and known as "anomalous propagation". Have you ever noticed mysterious circular rings of radar imagery, particularly in the evening in the fall? That's anomalous propagation.

This woman is an embarrassment to serious conspiracy theoreticians!
Yes, that is what I thought, I would thank you more if I could, for clearing that up!

[Sparky]

I wonder if a lot of people thought to get some cash on hand. You would think the atm's would be cleaned out and people standing in line at banks this morning to get more.
...


Our local news yesterday had a list of "hurricane tips", and the last bullet was "Get some cash".

[Neuro]

so did you guys all get washed away yet? It'll probably turn out to be asthmatic altough it's starting to look a bit breezy.

http://www.nyharborwebcam.com/
Certainly much bigger waves now, than a few hours ago. Still people out!

[Sparky]

About 200,000 customers without power now in Massachusetts. So far so good here. The neighborhood behind my street is without power.

[ArizonaDad]

I guess I didn't understand last week when the First Lady suggested that people vote early because the toilet could be overflowing on election day. Turns out she was referring to the blue states in the upper right corner.

[chad]

About 200,000 customers without power now in Massachusetts. So far so good here. The neighborhood behind my street is without power.

well, at least you're getting a test run of the zombie apocalypse at least. be interesting to see how people react.

[DMac]

Just checking in. Posting from phone. Power still on, for now. Friends nearby just had a tree fall on their bedroom. Prayers for all. Stay safe.

[Sparky]

Massachusetts power outages now over 400,000. Sparky still connected. :)

Big test for this storm is an hour from now. High tide in lower Manhattan at 8:43 PM EDT.

[Libertytree]

The power company in Manhattan is starting to shut down the power, per the weather channel.

Total of 3 million w/o power.

[Sparky]

Trying to piece together total power outages so far. It's now topped 2 million in the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic:

New York/New Jersey 950,000
Massachusetts 400,000
Connecticut 400,000
Pennsylvania 110,000
Rhode Island 100,000
Virginia 93,000

Edit: Actual total is probably closer to the 3 million LT just posted...

[mamboni]

We're having intermittent fraction of a second outages, 10 per hour and more. So far power has held. The winds are ferocious and the gustsw cause the forest to roar. Backup generator kicked on only once - 30 second delay. Any time with power from here is purely good fortune. Two neighbors have trees down, one on cars, the other on their roof. I've lost two big trees I now of but no damage to home or cars so far. Scary stuff. Stay safe everyone!

I just heard two more trees snap...there goes another. If we get through this unscath I'm taking some more trees down to widen the perimeter around my home. This is really terrifying.

[willie pete]

...all yoos guys in the affected area up there stay safe, ya hear...?

[Sparky]

I drive this road to get to work...

3885

[k-os]

I drive this road to get to work...

3885

Not tomorrow. Maybe not this week at all.

Are you in the eye of the storm? Get back in the house! :o

[Libertytree]

Good luck and stay safe yaw'll, the backside is lookin like a bitch.

[Horn]

Sparky, pack a chainsaw with your lunch.

[JDRock]

helpless fools in the east! power outage waaah waahhh..i cant watch dancing with the stars! waaaahh..they implicitly trust the "system" like the fools in new orleans and when will they learn?? the "system ' is a lie! its meant to protect those in power and those with money....everyone i know out west has preps for at LEAST a month. its funny to watch these meterosexual pussies in their gucci loafers in a panic.....

[chad]

this is probably a stupid question, but why in the year 2012 do we have power lines on poles? shouldn't that stuff all be buried under the ground where it can't fall down?

[Horn]

this is probably a stupid question, but why in the year 2012 do we have power lines on poles? shouldn't that stuff all be buried under the ground where it can't fall down?

Guys at Power Co. get Double Hazard pay to climb those things.

[Sparky]

helpless fools in the east! power outage waaah waahhh..i cant watch dancing with the stars! waaaahh..they implicitly trust the "system" like the fools in new orleans and when will they learn?? the "system ' is a lie! its meant to protect those in power and those with money....everyone i know out west has preps for at LEAST a month. its funny to watch these meterosexual pussies in their gucci loafers in a panic.....

Heh, I guess you've never been to New England JD. The pilgrims established the country on this harsh rock, and 150 years later the Minutemen kicked British ass so that you could be here. We'll be the last motherfuckers standing.

[undgrd]

this is probably a stupid question, but why in the year 2012 do we have power lines on poles? shouldn't that stuff all be buried under the ground where it can't fall down?

Cost...always the cost. It's the only logical reason to replace power polls year after year in tornado alley rather than bury them.

[zap]

Stay safe everyone ! Anyone heard from OHL?

[osoab]

this is probably a stupid question, but why in the year 2012 do we have power lines on poles? shouldn't that stuff all be buried under the ground where it can't fall down?

It would get flooded in this case. :D

[Sparky]

this is probably a stupid question, but why in the year 2012 do we have power lines on poles? shouldn't that stuff all be buried under the ground where it can't fall down?

New housing developments have buried power lines, but it must be cheaper for the utility companies to maintain poles than to bury lines, I guess.

[Libertytree]

helpless fools in the east! power outage waaah waahhh..i cant watch dancing with the stars! waaaahh..they implicitly trust the "system" like the fools in new orleans and when will they learn?? the "system ' is a lie! its meant to protect those in power and those with money....everyone i know out west has preps for at LEAST a month. its funny to watch these meterosexual pussies in their gucci loafers in a panic.....

Damn JD, there's also a lot of regular good folks going through a shitty time, why would ya call them all pussies? Not everyone falls into that category, there's some good patriots mixed in as well and to tell the truth, even the broke, slave sheep don't need, deserve or want the complications that come with a big storm?

[k-os]

this is probably a stupid question, but why in the year 2012 do we have power lines on poles? shouldn't that stuff all be buried under the ground where it can't fall down?

I just spoke with my mayor on Saturday, and she says she's going to try to get all of our power lines buried. It sure would be nice! My neighbor's husband buried their power lines, but that doesn't really do much good when everyone around you has above ground power lines - like me.

[Dogman]

Cost...always the cost. It's the only logical reason to replace power polls year after year in tornado alley rather than bury them. yep!

There is a pole that feeds my house, or used to, the power co. placed a new one about 15 years ago. And gave/rents? the old pole to the cable and phone co. The main reason they installed the "New" pole is the old one was rotting and had two wood pecker nests in it. Every year woodpeckers nest in them and every year, the new birds peck at the transplanted transformer on the new pole that would put the best drummer in the world to shame, with the rat tat tat drum rolls they do.

Its all about the money, to replace and move existing utility's underground is an expense they and the existing customers will not tolerate, hell the bills already are outrageous.

[EE_]

helpless fools in the east! power outage waaah waahhh..i cant watch dancing with the stars! waaaahh..they implicitly trust the "system" like the fools in new orleans and when will they learn?? the "system ' is a lie! its meant to protect those in power and those with money....everyone i know out west has preps for at LEAST a month. its funny to watch these meterosexual pussies in their gucci loafers in a panic.....

Come on man, there's enough bitter, hateful, unforgiving people in this world...here on gsus too. Don't be a hater!...unless you're talking about the wall street jews http://stumbleinn.net/forum/images/smilies/jew.gif

[Sparky]

LOL, I'm sure JD was talking about the city slickers!

[osoab]

I don't remember seeing this posted. I didn't think tower cranes would even do that.

edit. Damn the vid went private.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden)

Hurricane 1: Construction Crane 0 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-29/hurricane-1-construction-crane-0)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uA1FTQhtdKo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uA1FTQhtdKo

[slvrbugjim]

I don't remember seeing this posted. I didn't think tower cranes would even do that.

edit. Damn the vid went private.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden)

Hurricane 1: Construction Crane 0 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-29/hurricane-1-construction-crane-0)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uA1FTQhtdKo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uA1FTQhtdKo
would love to see this vid

[osoab]

would love to see this vid


It was cool. The crane jib did a 270. I didn't think that was possible.

[osoab]

Video Of ConEd Station On FDR And 14th Street Exploding (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-29/video-coned-station-fdr-and-14th-street-exploding)

Moments ago the Emergency Services were hit with the following disturbing update:
NYC | MANHATTAN | EXPLOSION | FDR DR & E-14 STREET | U/D CMD RPTS EXPLOSION AT THE CON ED PLANT. MULTI-RESCUES UNDERWAY | UEA01
See it happen in real time: fast forward to 3:10 in the clip below to see an underwater power station explode.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZAqYZ433TeQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZAqYZ433TeQ

[Serpo]

I just spoke with my mayor on Saturday, and she says she's going to try to get all of our power lines buried. It sure would be nice! My neighbor's husband buried their power lines, but that doesn't really do much good when everyone around you has above ground power lines - like me.


I hate power lines and there insidious affects of EMFs ....they should of been all buried decades ago.

In Palawan Island at the moment and this Frankenstorm looks terrifying

[mamboni]

Lost power 2 hrs ago - I didn't wire my study for power. Now on generator power. Wind gusts were just incredible coming in waves every minute or two from about 8 - 9 PM. Trees cracking and falling all over property. No house or car damage. Everyone safe. But it was frickin' scary sitting in the family room by the fireplace praying a tree didn't come flying through the window. Then roar of the forrest is a terrifying sound, like 100 freight trains at once; I can never get use to it. My dogs are very jittery. In a lull for about 30 min. I hear gusts in the distance starting up again. We're going to bed soon in the lower level just in case. My son will stay up and shutdown generator at midnite. I'll be out with son at 6 AM to inspect property clear any trees off the 2000 ft driveway. I hope I can get to work. This storm has certainly lived up to the billing. Several people I know have trees down and major damage - incredible. The eye is moving west. I hope it doesn't turn north until Pittsburgh - then I think we can deal with the aftermath. Any more gusts like before and my trees are going to give out.

That is all.
singing off for now
mamboni of the PA hinterlands.

[EE_]

Best of luck for minimal damage!
EE

[MNeagle]

Don't you have a garage doc? Or more vehicles than stalls? Thanks for checking in & stay safe!

[Serpo]

Yea stay safe Doc if thats humanly possible.....

[Glass]

Post cards from underwater New York

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/10-2/Ground%20Zero%20flooded.jpg

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/10/LES%20flood.jpg

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2012/10-2/storm7_0.jpg


There's a few more at the link.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-29/postcards-underwater-new-york

[Ponce]

Ok guys, I'll stop the hurracaine for not till I get up, OK?.......I am goning to bed no.....nite, nite.

[k-os]

Ok guys, I'll stop the hurracaine for not till I get up, OK?.......I am goning to bed no.....nite, nite.

No wonder you wake up so late Ponce . . . you stay up late too!

[Horn]

Video Of ConEd Station On FDR And 14th Street Exploding (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-29/video-coned-station-fdr-and-14th-street-exploding)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZAqYZ433TeQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZAqYZ433TeQ

Oh shit! there goes the whole neighborhood!

[EE_]

Oh shit! there goes the whole neighborhood!

Holy shit, that had to be a pretty big explosion.

I think a lot of work needs to be done for the next few months and longer. A lot of laid off people will be going to work. Good for the economy, bad for insurance companies.

[Glass]

apparently there is something like 19 people trapped inside.

[Horn]

I think a lot of work needs to be done for the next few months and longer. A lot of laid off people will be going to work. Good for the economy, bad for insurance companies.

Dunno, could hit'em all in the pocketbook even more?

[EE_]

Dunno, could hit'em all in the pocketbook even more?

A lot of people are getting hurt by this, no doubt.
A lot will be working mega hours and making bank too.

[Horn]

pretty cool gif

looks like it hung a louie, those are doozies

http://icons-ak.wunderground.com/data/storm_radar/at201218_radar.gif

[Twisted Titan]

we had power when i left. ......the drive to the hospital was very nerve racking

2/3 of the city was pitch black 100 plus year old trees split like toothpicks

explosions going off every few minutes from transformers

wind whipping like demons dancing

the next three days are going to be crazy as the zombie sheep reap the harvest of ebeing ill prepared

[EE_]

110 pictures here
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/29/us/tropical-weather-sandy/index.html

More here: http://live.nydailynews.com/Event/Tracking_Hurricane_Sandy_2#ixzz2AjblQOCp

[Shami-Amourae]

Is anyone talking about the nuclear power plants? I'm really worried about that. Those nuclear power plants weren't built to withstand this kinda punishment.

[Twisted Titan]

excellent point it was a natural disaster that caused fukushima.

fingers crossed we dontt have a repeat

[Large Sarge]

massive explosion at Con Ed in manhattan, power down for at least a week there

http://www.silverdoctors.com/breaking-massive-explosion-at-con-edison-power-plant/

[Large Sarge]

nuclear plant near NYC, water within 1 feet of breaching it.

http://networkedblogs.com/E5HCL

[Serpo]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/121030015130-46-sandy-1029-horizontal-gallery.jpg

[Serpo]

Nation's oldest nuclear plant on alertBy JOSH LEDERMAN | Associated Press – 6 hrs ago





WASHINGTON (AP) — The nation's oldest nuclear power plant, already out of service for scheduled refueling, was put on alert late Monday after waters from Superstorm Sandy rose 6 feet above sea level.
Conditions were still safe at and around Oyster Creek, a plant in Lacey Township, N.J., and at all other U.S. nuclear plants, said the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, which oversees plant safety. No plants that had been up and running before the storm were planning to shut down.
High water levels at Oyster Creek, which generates enough electricity to power 600,000 homes a year, prompted safety officials to declare an "unusual event" around 7 p.m. About two hours later, the situation was upgraded to an "alert," the second-lowest in a four-tiered warning system.
The plant's owner, Exelon Corp., said power was also disrupted in the station's switchyard, but backup diesel generators were providing stable power, with more than two weeks of fuel on hand.
A rising tide, the direction of the wind and the storm's surge combined to raise water levels in the plant's intake structure, the NRC said. The agency said that water levels are expected to recede within hours and that the plant, which went online in 1969 and is set to close in 2019, is watertight and capable of withstanding hurricane-force winds.
The heightened status at Oyster Creek aside, most nuclear plants in the Sandy's path were weathering the storm without incident.
Inspectors from the NRC, whose own headquarters and Northeast regional office was closed for the storm, were manning all plants around the clock. The agency dispatched extra inspectors or placed them on standby in five states, equipped with satellite phones to ensure uninterrupted contact.
Nuclear power plants are built to withstand hurricanes, airplane collisions and other major disasters, but safety procedures call for plants to be shut down when hurricane-force winds are present at the site, or if water levels nearby exceed certain flood limits.
At the Salem and Hope Creek plants in Hancocks Bridge, N.J., which together produce enough power for about 3 million homes per day, officials were watching for sustained winds of 74 mph or greater that would trigger taking the plants offline. The nearby Delaware River posed another hazard if water levels exceed 99.5 feet, compared with a normal level of 89 feet.
Joe Delmar, a spokesman for Public Service Enterprise Group Inc., said that only essential employees had been asked to report to work but that current projections were that the plants would not have to close. One of the units at Salem had already been offline due to regular refueling and maintenance.
In Lusby, Md., the Calvert Cliffs Nuclear Power Plant was operating at full power — enough to power more than 1 million homes. Additional staff, both onsite and off, were called in to prepare for the storm. Safety officials there will take the plant offline if sustained winds exceed 75 mph or water levels rise more than 10 feet above normal sea level.
Seventy-five was also the number at Indian Point in Buchanan, N.Y., where officials said they were fully prepared to withstand surging water levels from the Hudson River. At Pennsylvania's Susquehanna plant in Salem Township, officials were ready to activate their emergency plan, a precursor to taking the plant offline, if sustained winds hit 80 mph.
"Our top concern is ensuring that the plants are in a safe condition, that they are following their severe weather procedures" said Diane Screnci of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. She said that even though the agency's headquarters and regional office had been closed, its incident response center was staffed, with other regions ready to lend a hand if necessary.
At the Millstone nuclear power complex on Connecticut's shoreline, officials said they were powering down one of the two reactors to 75 percent of maximum output to maintain stability of the electric grid. Millstone spokesman Ken Holt said the grid's stability could be affected if the unit was operating at 100 percent and suddenly went offline, which isn't expected to happen.
Some 60 million people in 13 states plus the District of Columbia get their power from PJM, the largest regional power grid in the U.S. Contingency plans call for power to be brought in from other areas to replace power lost if a nuclear plant reduces output or goes offline.
"It's done instantaneously," said Paula DuPont-Kidd, a spokeswoman for the grid. "Even if multiple plants go offline at the same time, we'd have to see how adjustments would be made, but for the most part we plan for that scenario."
In August 2011, multiple nuclear plants shut down due to Hurricane Irene, with others reducing power.
Although nuclear plants are built for resilience, their operations get more complicated when only emergency personnel are on duty or if external electricity gets knocked out, as often happens during hurricanes.
"When external power is not available, you have to use standby generators," said Sudarshan Loyalka, who teaches nuclear engineering at University of Missouri. "You just don't want to rely on backup power."
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Reach Josh Lederman on Twitter at http://twitter.com/joshledermanAP

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[Serpo]

remember that song when they shot the guy protesting Vietnam war years ago.............oh Sandy why where you the one

[Serpo]

http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2012/10/was-sandy-planned-back-in-1997-1997-drill-was-based-upon-1938-killer-hurricane-2445656.html


Was ‘Sandy’ Planned Back In 1997? 1997 Drill Was Based Upon 1938 Killer Hurricane

[Serpo]

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/10/will-sandy-go-nuclear-2487362.html


Will Sandy Go Nuclear?

[woodman]

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/10/will-sandy-go-nuclear-2487362.html

Will Sandy Go Nuclear?

From the article: "We're under a manipulated attack."


I'm sorry, but I just don't believe the PTPB have the means to manipulate storms like these people claim and even if they did, it would not be in anyone's interest to destroy nuclear power stations and poison the earth forever. The PTPB are certainly criminally stupid and liable for their stupidity and venality but even the fucktard scientists can't manipulate such a storm. To much energy and too many variables.

[DMac]

Good morning gsus'ers. Hope all are alive and warm. Some how, by the grace of god, we did not lose power last night. We usually lose at least once a year when a fly sneezes on the lines, but here we are.

Working today remotely. One of my datacenters is offline in NJ. One in NY is online, the rest are in other areas of the country not affected. Parents are OK. Lost power this morning around 5am. One of 800k... trees literally fell in each yard in the houses surrounding them. Another story of good luck as they suffered no damage.

Prayers for all. This storm was worth all the hype and more. The meteorologists did a damn fine job with Sandy.

Digging into the nuke plant issue in Jersey I think it is basically a non issue. My biggest concerns are for the people inside NYC. 50 million or more rats moved to higher ground and this is going to lead to some nasty sicknesses somewhere. I'm within about a half mile radius that is relatively unscathed with only a few branches down. Like I wrote last night a couple about 5 miles down the road we are friends with had a tree fall into the house crushing their bed. Thank god they were not sleeping at the time. Crazy. From the local news we caught 2 stories. One of a family in their living room watching the news and a tree fell through the roof, killing the father, critically injuring the mother and hospitalizing the 3 daughters. So sad. Another was a man, 50 or so, sleeping last night and a tree crashed into his bedroom, killing him almost instantly.

This could have happened to so many more people.

Good luck to all without power.

Kind of ironic how I am super prepared compared to most, yet I still have no need to use my food/water stocks. Life is funny that way.

[mick silver]

Global Warming Meme Powers Hurricane CoverageTuesday, October 30, 2012 – by Staff Report
http://gold-silver.us/images/library/sandy.jpg


Global warming (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=1919');) likely driver for intense hurricanes, scientists say ... President Barack Obama (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=2384');) says he's confident that state and federal governments have done all they can to prepare for the superstorm barreling up the East Coast ... As America's financial and political capitals braced for what the National Weather Service has called a storm of historic proportions, the subject that politicians here dare not mention has suddenly been pushed to the forefront of public attention by the massive power of nature. Both U.S. President Barack Obama and Republican rival Mitt Romney (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=2856');) suspended their campaigns Monday. Obama was at the White House where he was briefed on storm preparations. He said there is a potential for fatalities as the storm hits the coast. – Vancouver Sun
Dominant Social Theme: Definitely global warming!
Free-Market Analysis: This Vancouver Sun article is typical of some of the coverage of Hurricane Sandy, which hit New York City and environs yesterday.
It is written by William Marsden, author of Fools Rule: Inside the Failed Politics of Climate Change (Knopf). We looked up the book on Amazon, and here's a description:
This eloquent, rage-inciting polemic about the global failure to deal with climate change will appeal to readers of Tim Flannery, George Monbiot and Bill McKibben – and anyone concerned with the economic and environmental future of our planet ... In Fools Rule, Marsden illustrates how inefficient and short-sighted political negotiations have become despite mounting scientific evidence that immediate action is essential to curb the effects of climate change.
At the slightest sign of environmental catastrophe the doomsters show up and begin to write articles. Hurricane Sandy brought forth dozens of articles in the mainstream press (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=1861');) speculating that the hurricane was a global warming event.
Marsden's article is especially good because it has all the hallmarks of a fear-based promotion. These are what we call dominant social themes (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=652');), archetypes created by a power elite (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=610');) to frighten the middle classes into giving up power and wealth to specially created globalist solutions.
The Marsden article is typical of a controlled mainstream media provocation. The blurb about Marsden doesn't mention that his book is a polemic. The article itself poses as a kind of analytical evaluation when it is no such thing.
The headline is misleading, as well. "Global warming likely driver for intense hurricanes, scientists say ... " This is a strange headline, indeed. It implies a majority consensus of scientists believe that Hurricane Sandy was the result of global warming – now referred to as climate change.
But, in fact, the article can simply be read as statement that "some" scientists believe global warming is driving such storms. The implication, though is that a majority of scientists believe it. Here's some more from the article:
No scientist will ever say that one single weather event can be traced to climate change, a topic the presidential hopefuls have rarely raised in this campaign. But in the wake of last year's Hurricane Irene, which caused about $15 billion dollars U.S. in damage from South Carolina to Vermont, and given the steady rise in ocean temperatures as well as air temperatures, to simply dismiss Hurricane Sandy as a freak occurrence would be folly, Prof. Raymond Bradley, director of the Climate Systems Research Center at the University of Massachusetts, said.
In an interview, he said that with higher sea-surface temperatures, which are caused by man-made global warming, "when storms develop, when they do hit the coast they are going to be bigger and I think that's a fair statement that most people could sign onto."
He said he believes Hurricane Sandy "is going to be a catastrophe for New York and New Jersey."
His statements are buttressed by a new peer-reviewed study recently published by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science that concludes that higher surface temperature create large storm surges in cyclone activity.
"The largest cyclones are most affected by warmer conditions and we detect a statistically significant trend in the frequency of large surge events (roughly corresponding to tropical storm size) since 1923," the authors state. "In particular, we estimate that Katrina-magnitude events have been twice as frequent in warm years compared with cold years."
In other words, global warming is causing more intense storms, Bradley said.
But, of course, there is no consensus on climate change. For every "convinced" scientist, there is a skeptical one. You'd never know that from articles like this, however. Here's an excerpt from a 2010 article posted at Climate Depot:
More Than 1000 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims ... More than 1,000 dissenting scientists (updates previous 700 scientist report) from around the globe have now challenged man-made global warming claims made by the United Nations (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=1848');) Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and former Vice President Al Gore (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=2895');).
This new 2010 321-page Climate Depot Special Report − updated from the 2007 groundbreaking U.S. Senate Report of over 400 scientists who voiced skepticism about the so-called global warming "consensus" − features the skeptical voices of over 1,000 international scientists, including many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN IPCC.
This updated 2010 report includes a dramatic increase of over 300 additional (and growing) scientists and climate researchers since the last update in March 2009. This report's release coincides with the 2010 UN global warming summit in being held in Cancun.
The more than 300 additional scientists added to this report since March 2009 (21 months ago), represents an average of nearly four skeptical scientists a week speaking out publicly. The well over 1,000 dissenting scientists are almost 20 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.
The publication of this paper and others at the end of the decade made it most difficult for the elites behind this meme (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=654');) to continue to insist on global warming as an established fact. In fact, thanks to the Internet, the debunking of global warming has been so thorough that even the rejiggered nomenclature – "climate change" – is rarely mentioned.
All of these memes are aimed at increasing globalist control and creating a pretext for legislative change and subsequent laws that expand government's reach over food, water and energy – the building blocks of human existence.
What's been encouraging about the past decade is the difficulty the elites are having in promoting these themes. Global warming, Peak Oil (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=1880');), even the war on terror (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=1877');) itself have all come under fire as 'Net-based information educates people and debunks falsities.
Nonetheless, the propaganda rolls on. Questionable statistics, extreme opinions and falsified facts mark a number of elite memes. The mainstream media jumbles them together to create an appearance of consensus where none exists.
This article ends with the following statement: "Bradley said that some scientists believe that this high-pressure front from the north is a result of global warming, but he added that this is not proven."
Conclusion: This statement, of course, casts into doubt the rest of the article. No doubt they were hoping you wouldn't read that far.

[JDRock]

Heh, I guess you've never been to New England JD. The pilgrims established the country on this harsh rock, and 150 years later the Minutemen kicked British ass so that you could be here. We'll be the last motherfuckers standing.
how many armed and ready pilgrims left in jew york these days?? pathetic losers wouldnt last a week in the back country.
sparky i dont doubt there are a few left but my comment was -is and will be about the cities...and, as far as kicking british ass, it was mostly SOUTHERNERS from virginia that did most of the kicking ;)

[Horn]

The forecasts that I have read put it at a Cat 1 for landfall in the NE. Also, there's no way the eye is still over the Bahamas. It's gotta be at least 400 miles north of the Bahamas. Just sayin'.

I think (hope) that they're just hyping this storm because of her size. She's a biggun.

Goes to show those categories mean something, but not much.

When all that water & eye finds an easy route to move and turn, it can get alot worse.

Do they even account for storm size & travel speed in those categories, or is it just windspeed?

[JDRock]

LOL, I'm sure JD was talking about the city slickers! totally...sorry to offend it must be a bitch...as far as the members here im sure their generators are humming ...their woodstoves cooking and their chainsaws humming. My cavil ( and i wasnt trying to be insensitive,) was WTF? where is the American spirit? all i see on the news is waaahh waahh when will the gubbermint come and save us! its the as i stated the ny ny meterosexual pussies crying cause their gay bath house was shut down.

[mamboni]

Don't you have a garage doc? Or more vehicles than stalls? Thanks for checking in & stay safe!


Yeah, two garages, one detached. Already full with ATV and equipment and preps. No room for trucks.

I just got in to work about 1 hour ago. Got up early and we have three massive trees across the driveway, all pointing south. Neighbor's kid came over with chainsaws to give my son and I a hand. We had the trees cleared in an hour (mamboni sore). We were pressed because my neighbor two houses down, the retired marine, called very upset: half a dozen trees down across driveway, two massive trees down in back, one took out his back deck and generator. He has two freezers full of venison and he cannot afford to lose it. I told him to relax and as soon as we could get out I'd give him my backup generator. Went over later and he had a dozen neighbors working on those trees, and we lent a hand and had him clear in about an hour. Hooked up generator and my son had stocked up on 20 gallons of gas for it. So everyone now safe and sound. We'll be cleaning up for weeks but at least we have enough firewood for a long time. We feel very fortunate that there was no property damage and no one got hurt. I lost over a dozen huge trees that I can see line of sight. I'm sure there are more on the property. We'll be out of utility power for days or more I expect. At least the hospital power is on. Wife told me NYU backup generator failed and the entire medical center had to be evacuated; talk about a frickin' nightmare.:o

[mamboni]

totally...sorry to offend it must be a bitch...as far as the members here im sure their generators are humming ...their woodstoves cooking and their chainsaws humming. My cavil ( and i wasnt trying to be insensitive,) was WTF? where is the American spirit? all i see on the news is waaahh waahh when will the gubbermint come and save us! its the as i stated the ny ny meterosexual pussies crying cause their gay bath house was shut down.

Hey my brother from another mother! No offense taken! Glad to be among the living.

[k-os]

Yeah, two garages, one detached. Already full with ATV and equipment and preps. No room for trucks.

I just got in to work about 1 hour ago. Got up early and we have three massive trees across the driveway, all pointing south. Neighbor's kid came over with chainsaws to give my son and I a hand. We had the trees cleared in an hour (mamboni sore). We were pressed because my neighbor two houses down, the retired marine, called very upset: half a dozen trees down across driveway, two massive trees down in back, one took out his back deck and generator. He has two freezers full of venison and he cannot afford to lose it. I told him to relax and as soon as we could get out I'd give him my backup generator. Went over later and he had a dozen neighbors working on those trees, and we lent a hand and had him clear in about an hour. Hooked up generator and my son had stocked up on 20 gallons of gas for it. So everyone now safe and sound. We'll be cleaning up for weeks but at least we have enough firewood for a long time. We feel very fortunate that there was no property damage and no got hurt. I lost over a dozen huge trees that I can see line of sight. I'm sure there are more on the property. We'll be out of utility power for days or more I expect. At least the hospital power is on. Wife told me NYU backup generator failed and the entire medical center had to be evacuated; talk about a frickin' nightmare.

It gives me chills reading about how you are all working together in your neighborhood. It brings me back to similar memories. It's heartwarming.

I should probably mention that my neighbor just chopped up my one felled tree (from Sandy) not 10 minutes ago. I love my neighbors.

[MNeagle]

Kind of ironic how I am super prepared compared to most, yet I still have no need to use my food/water stocks. Life is funny that way.

Intuition tells me that it's your chance to dole some of them out. ?

Glad you're unscathed.

[Horn]

Reminds me of my teens on Jersey shore L.B.I. when we used to help all the neighbors move their furniture upstairs as the tide rolled in.

[mamboni]

Intuition tells me that it's your chance to dole some of them out. ?

Glad you're unscathed.

Yeah, except maybe for the Spam!;D

[Errosion Of Accord]

So, have all the east coasters reported in now?

[MNeagle]

It gives me chills reading about how you are all working together in your neighborhood. It brings me back to similar memories. It's heartwarming.

I should probably mention that my neighbor just chopped up my one felled tree (from Sandy) not 10 minutes ago. I love my neighbors.

Agreed k-os, good/reliable neighbors are priceless. Sadly, we don't have that here (another story) AT ALL (heck, I can't even get neighbors to give me a phone number!!).

Mamboni, glad to hear you traveled into work o.k.; & you are very blessed w/ your foresight/preps/ability to help/receive w your community. BUT, man, tell the wife to cancel the bathroom remodel plans, you need a POLE BARN!! STAT!

What's the Blue Book on those trucks?? More than an ATV I'd wager...

[EE_]

Yeah, two garages, one detached. Already full with ATV and equipment and preps. No room for trucks.

I just got in to work about 1 hour ago. Got up early and we have three massive trees across the driveway, all pointing south. Neighbor's kid came over with chainsaws to give my son and I a hand. We had the trees cleared in an hour (mamboni sore). We were pressed because my neighbor two houses down, the retired marine, called very upset: half a dozen trees down across driveway, two massive trees down in back, one took out his back deck and generator. He has two freezers full of venison and he cannot afford to lose it. I told him to relax and as soon as we could get out I'd give him my backup generator. Went over later and he had a dozen neighbors working on those trees, and we lent a hand and had him clear in about an hour. Hooked up generator and my son had stocked up on 20 gallons of gas for it. So everyone now safe and sound. We'll be cleaning up for weeks but at least we have enough firewood for a long time. We feel very fortunate that there was no property damage and no one got hurt. I lost over a dozen huge trees that I can see line of sight. I'm sure there are more on the property. We'll be out of utility power for days or more I expect. At least the hospital power is on. Wife told me NYU backup generator failed and the entire medical center had to be evacuated; talk about a frickin' nightmare.:o

That's great, that's what neighbors should do.
The trees will be cut up, gone soon enough and life will be back to normal.
The storm could have been much worse. It didn't linger like they though it would.
Some areas got hit hard and the news people are in a feeding frenzy over it.
Many areas were spared.

I don't even count Manhatten as part of the disaster...I call it retribution!

[Horn]

In a stunning spectacle of atmospheric violence, Superstorm Sandy roared ashore in New Jersey last night with sustained winds of 90 mph and a devastating storm surge that crippled coastal New Jersey and New York. Sandy's record size allowed the historic storm to bring extreme weather to over 100 million Americans, from Chicago to Maine and from Michigan to Florida. Sandy's barometric pressure at landfall was 946 mb, tying the Great Long Island Express Hurricane of 1938 as the most powerful storm ever to hit the Northeast U.S. north of Cape Hatteras, NC. New York City experienced its worst hurricane since its founding in 1624, as Sandy's 9-foot storm surge rode in on top of a high tide to bring water levels to 13.88' at The Battery, smashing the record 11.2' water level recorded during the great hurricane of 1821. Damage from Superstorm Sandy will likely be in the tens of billions, making the storm one of the five most expensive disasters in U.S. history.

http://icons.wxug.com/hurricane/2012/sandy_oct30.jpg

more at link.

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2282

[EE_]

The failing casinos of Atlantic City will not fare well from the damage.
I don't think they will see many visitors for a while.
I hope Donald Trump's investments will be okay.

[zap]

So, have all the east coasters reported in now?

Nope Old Herb Lady hasn't checked in . Hope she and her family are safe and sound.

[EE_]

Nope Old Herb Lady hasn't checked in . Hope she and her family are safe and sound.

I'm sure she's doing fine...maybe her power is out? She'll probably have a survival story for us when she shows up.

[Old Herb Lady]

Hi loveys ! Western Pennsylvanian here ! We have been spared in my area !! Just winds, rain & snow mix.....power on & off.....
Thanks, Hugs, God Bless....must run, was up ALL night, couldn't sleep...on the fone wth family, friends, etc....skewls all closed, housefull of kids now.....
I tried to have a drink like about 15-20 years ago & it made me nauseous & dizzy, can't hold alcohol whatsoeva---fast forward to now---I have a huge collection of gifts that people
insist on giving----elderberry wine, dandelion wine, some kind of of pink blush stuff, schanpps (sp?) & on & on & on ----I'm gonna try something late tonite cuz my nerves are SHOT !
Perhaps a drink post tonite !? crazy people shouldn't drink.
Prayers for all the people affected & may the grace of God be with them during the aftermath of all of this ! what a mess .

Big Hugs.

[Camp Bassfish]

So, have all the east coasters reported in now?

Upstate spared this time. Limited wind damage, no rain to speak of. Irene was by FAR worse last year.

[DMac]

Intuition tells me that it's your chance to dole some of them out. ?

Glad you're unscathed.

4 coming for lunch shortly, will probably return for dinner. Small sharing, but sharing nonetheless. =)

[EE_]

Over 4.3 million people ride the subway system every day; over 1 billion people go through the turnstiles per year!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Fr_G5m-9Gtc/UI6FK6XZDkI/AAAAAAAATWM/KLC2-ai_n0M/s1600/screen-capture-2.jpg

[mamboni]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Fr_G5m-9Gtc/UI6FK6XZDkI/AAAAAAAATWM/KLC2-ai_n0M/s1600/screen-capture-2.jpg

That looks surreal, like a computer-generated graphic 3D environ out of Half Life.

[EE_]

Bloomberg News
New York Subway System May Take Weeks to Recover From Flooding
By Angela Greiling Keane, Jeff Plungis and Alan Levin on October 30, 2012

New York’s subway system has extensive flooding in tunnels under the East River and it will be “a big problem” to restore service, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said.

New York was among the cities in Hurricane Sandy’s path that shut its transit system in advance of the storm. The preparations saved most of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority’s trains, Bloomberg said at a press conference today in New York.

“The work of getting our mass transit grid and our power grid restored, however, is going to take more time and a lot of patience,” Bloomberg said. “Our administration will move heaven and earth to help them.” The mayor is the founder and majority owner of Bloomberg LP, the parent of Bloomberg News.

New Jersey, where Sandy made landfall yesterday, has “unprecedented” damage, including to New Jersey Transit Corp., which operates commuter rail service to New York City, Governor Chris Christie said at a press conference.

The transit system will test its infrastructure later today, he said.

Restoring service on New York subway lines that have been flooded could take weeks, said Mortimer Downey, a former MTA executive director and current board member of the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority.

“From the New York viewpoint, they’ve got a lot of work ahead of them,” Downey said in an interview. “It’s going to be days and possibly weeks.”

He declined to estimate what the recovery may cost because there’s no precedent for the work that will need to be done.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-30/new-york-subway-system-may-take-weeks-to-recover-from-flooding

New Yorker's will have to car pool for a while like they do in other cities.
http://thatdarkkidkevin.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/tn_overloaded-car1.jpg?w=590

[chad]

That looks surreal, like a computer-generated graphic 3D environ out of Half Life.

it is. the name of the picture is screen-capture2.jpg, which means somebody had a game up and pressed FN + PRNTSC and then pasted it in to photoshop.

[Horn]

He declined to estimate what the recovery may cost because there’s no precedent for the work that will need to be done.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-30/new-york-subway-system-may-take-weeks-to-recover-from-flooding

No problem, just gotta vote for Obama, his hand is on the gear shifter.

[Large Sarge]

FEMA to suspend elections next week, Obama makes his power grab for good

http://www.silverdoctors.com/red-alert-fema-making-preparations-to-postpone-presidential-elections-in-wake-of-sandy/

[Horn]

FEMA to suspend elections next week, Obama makes his power grab for good

http://www.silverdoctors.com/red-alert-fema-making-preparations-to-postpone-presidential-elections-in-wake-of-sandy/

I thought that turn into the mainland was a little abrupt,

someone must have been microwaving that eyewall with the goldeneye satellite.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGPBFvDz_HM

[EE_]

FEMA to suspend elections next week, Obama makes his power grab for good

http://www.silverdoctors.com/red-alert-fema-making-preparations-to-postpone-presidential-elections-in-wake-of-sandy/

I don't think the storm was bad enough to use this option...or as bad as the losing party (Obama) had hoped for. Outside of Atlantic City and Manhatten, I think most of the areas will have semi-recovered and have power back on before the election.

[Horn]

Answer me this, why when running a Google search for images on "hurricane tracking history maps" with the filter "within 24hours.

Do I get a thumbnail as this


3891
But then when clicking the thumbnail i get this

http://icons-ak.wunderground.com/data/images/at201218_climo.gif

Which you can see a historical hurricane that had the same approach.

http://icons-ak.wunderground.com/data/images/at201218_climo.gif

[Large Sarge]

5 nuke plants reporting problems after Sandy, fukushima here we come?

http://enenews.com/abc-5-nuke-plants-problems-new-jerseys-salem-reactor-shuts-down-water-pumps-available-trouble-both-units-9-mile-point-new-york-addition-limerick-indian-point-oyster-creek

[Large Sarge]

Subway shutdown indefinitely

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-30/new-york-paralyzed-subways-shut-down-indefinitely-subway-chief-worst-disaster-ever

[Horn]

5 nuke plants reporting problems after Sandy, fukushima here we come?

http://enenews.com/abc-5-nuke-plants-problems-new-jerseys-salem-reactor-shuts-down-water-pumps-available-trouble-both-units-9-mile-point-new-york-addition-limerick-indian-point-oyster-creek

Did you see the pictures on CNN they flashed of Seaside N.J.?

Place is buried in sand.

Last I heard Oyster Creek was already leaking some into soil there.

Gundersen on TV: Biggest problem I see is Oyster Creek plant near Jersey Shore — No way to cool spent fuel pool while power is out — All nuclear fuel is in pool, none in reactor (VIDEO)
http://enenews.com/gundersen-on-tv-biggest-problem-i-see-is-oyster-creek-plant-near-jersey-shore-no-way-to-cool-spent-fuel-pool-while-power-is-out-all-nuclear-fuel-is-in-pool-none-in-reactor-video

[Large Sarge]

ok, in goldfinger, if I remember correctly, the premise was to use a nuclear/dirty bomb on the gold, to make it unuseable for centuries....

now, we have 5 nuclear reactors, all within proximity, to the federal reserve, showing problems.

hmmmmm......

would probably help cover all that missing gold

[Camp Bassfish]

Subway shutdown indefinitely

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-30/new-york-paralyzed-subways-shut-down-indefinitely-subway-chief-worst-disaster-ever

I always prefered the mom & pop sub shops anyway.......

[Horn]

would probably help cover all that missing gold

but that's just the plated tungsten, the real stuff is all orbiting earth in goldeneye's solar wind collectors.

Seriously, Oystercreek is reason for concern, man what a beautiful chunk of New jersey that is positioned near. (if there is any left)

not to mention the millions it would forever poison around it. :(

[Glass]

The thing that has amazed me with the pictures is the amount of litter. You can see it clearly in the subway photos but the amount of rubbish that has been floated by the water is astounding. It's going to be one big cleanup.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/10-2/subway%20station_0.jpg

[Horn]

Here's some helicopter footage of the little town I grew up in, looks like the dunes protected it a bit more than Seaside, but the dunes that were there are no longer.

If they have another storm that blows thru before they get those rebuilt it will be nothing but sticks.

http://www.necn.com/pages/video?PID=AOjKLCAHjBdlPyM4BFJJorSIr3LbGtO5.

Think EE was right, if I had a frontend loader or plow, I could make a bundle up there right now.

[mick silver]

i seen al core on the news last night talking about a tax because of how bad the storms are getting now . so my guess would be he needs us all to pay for him to save us all . we have been getting winds up to 50 miles per hour here , some snow but most of it is rain . let us know how your preps help an what you may have missed on the preps so we all can add what we need . hope all here stay safe mick

[mamboni]

We'll be out of power for 10 days. When you drive around the side roads, there are trees leaning on power lines everywhere. Having the propane Generac is a real blessing. In the AM before the sun and the rooster have awaken, I tip toe outside and flip on the generator: instant lights, fireplace fan and water, take a shower, have breakfast, give the dogs a treat and I'm off to work before anyone else is up. The one nice thing is that all the street lights are out, so I can drive like Fred Flintstone: once the car is up to speed and literally coast the 16 miles to work, never having to break. We have the neighbors over for showers and dinner. These episodes in our lives can be trying, but they also generally result in the best of quality times. I'm running the generator liberally, 8-10 hours per day. But in a real SHTF scenario, I would cut it to one hour every six just to maintain the freezers so as to conserve fuel. I have a 500 gallon propane tank and cords and cords of wood. But, if this went on for a few months we would be running out. I'm debating adding a second 500 gallon tank. And I've incentivized my some and the local boys who are underemployed in this crappy economy: $200 cash for every cord you harvest from the property, on the barrel head. Firewood will not be an issue!

[chad]

for those of you hosting the neighbors, this could be an ideal time to have the "prep" talk. i imagine you could reach a lot of them right now.

[Dogman]

for those of you hosting the neighbors, this could be an ideal time to have the "prep" talk. i imagine you could reach a lot of them right now. Yep, no time like the present when the crap is raining on your head and life, to get ones complete attention.

Plus the Doc, is showcasing the benefits of being prepared for the times when mother nature goes on the rag.

[mamboni]

for those of you hosting the neighbors, this could be an ideal time to have the "prep" talk. i imagine you could reach a lot of them right now.

Ha ha! The neighbors I'm hosting are ex-marine and all prepped. But a tree took out his generator - the unforeseen event! But, if we all work together then there is plenty of overlapping supplies and capabilities. So I don't worry about us. The folk around me are all 4th and 5th generation or even further, Christian and white. These are decent honest hardworking folk who have maintained that self-reliance and broad skill sets (i.e. basic carpentry, forestry, woodworking, electricl, plumbing, mechanical etc. ) credo that was the norm amongst my father's generation, the GIs that came home after the war (the BIG one, WWII).

I'd be real concerned if I were living in NYC without power for more than a week - picture Snake Plissken with a stethoscope and a Barretta.

[DMac]

for those of you hosting the neighbors, this could be an ideal time to have the "prep" talk. i imagine you could reach a lot of them right now.

I did yesterday. Funny to me how the women spoke to their husbands - 'DM was prepared for this, why weren't you?!' Some of it made me lol a bit.

Mick - regarding what preps I would need more of? Flashlights and lanterns. I've prepped with the mindset of taking care of me, the lady, pets and maybe 1-2 extra family. My stock of flashlights, lanterns and batteries went out quick. Cases of water go fast as well when you give out water like Halloween candy. I have enough for us to get by should the power go down here for now but I was amazed how little folks have in their homes.

The lady made a comment to me I never thought would come out of her mouth - "for Christmas we are making emergency kits for each of these people as gifts." - Though for us, friends and family (heard an uncle out on Long Island has 2 feet of water in his living room) this tragedy isn't so bad. No one we know died. Never let a crisis go to waste indeed - half a dozen are waking up to the 'always be ready' frame of mind.

Mamboni - Have you looked into geothermal power for your home? I have a doc in the family that put one in his house and is now grid independent. In a year or 2 when the solar panels go in he will be selling excess power back to the local power company.

[mamboni]

I did yesterday. Funny to me how the women spoke to their husbands - 'DM was prepared for this, why weren't you?!' Some of it made me lol a bit.

Mick - regarding what preps I would need more of? Flashlights and lanterns. I've prepped with the mindset of taking care of me, the lady, pets and maybe 1-2 extra family. My stock of flashlights, lanterns and batteries went out quick. Cases of water go fast as well when you give out water like Halloween candy. I have enough for us to get by should the power go down here for now but I was amazed how little folks have in their homes.

The lady made a comment to me I never thought would come out of her mouth - "for Christmas we are making emergency kits for each of these people as gifts." - Though for us, friends and family (heard an uncle out on Long Island has 2 feet of water in his living room) this tragedy isn't so bad. No one we know died. Never let a crisis go to waste indeed - half a dozen are waking up to the 'always be ready' frame of mind.

Mamboni - Have you looked into geothermal power for your home? I have a doc in the family that put one in his house and is now grid independent. In a year or 2 when the solar panels go in he will be selling excess power back to the local power company.

Well, I have a geothermal heat pump for the entire house. But it's useless off the grid. It requires a 60 amp pulse just to prime it. I think if you go with a solar panel power unit, it will have to be rather undersized, unless you have thousands of square feet of collectors which will cost beaucoup bucks. In my opinion, geothermal heat pumps only make sense as a way to leverage the grid. Off the grid, I think you're far better off with solar panels to DC/AC converter to transformer to directly supply lights, water pump and a wood buring stove fan for heat. The large geothermal unit are monsters: very costly to maintain and impossible for the homeowner to service and repair.

[chad]

even though i'm safe in perfect weather land, i did take a look at my light stockpile because of this thread. i have almost no regular batteries, and my 2 kits of eneloops were not charged up very well. guess i have to work on that today.

[Old Herb Lady]

i seen al core on the news last night talking about a tax because of how bad the storms are getting now . so my guess would be he needs us all to pay for him to save us all . we have been getting winds up to 50 miles per hour here , some snow but most of it is rain . let us know how your preps help an what you may have missed on the preps so we all can add what we need . hope all here stay safe mick


Good tars, man , good tars !

Edit : The ONE thing we ALL need is peak health !
If anything is bothering you, hurting you now, it's amplified when you're in survival mode.
We've gone long periods without power and water. ( not at the same time, tho )
Youll wish you'd have worked on any health issues prior to the shitstorm, I know !
Cuz you'll have wayyy more to do than just taking care of yourself.....you're the prepper
and everyone will need you more than ever and you gotta be strong and healthy to be able to handle what is in front of you AND them the best you can.

[Neuro]

Any looting?

[mamboni]

Any looting?

We caught a drifter stealing some eggs from the coop. We tied him to a tree and beat him silly with rubber mallets. Then we cut him loose, blindfolded him with his hands tied and turned him loose in the deep woods. And we got the eggs back too.

[Horn]

i seen al core on the news last night talking about a tax because of how bad the storms are getting now . so my guess would be he needs us all to pay for him to save us all . we have been getting winds up to 50 miles per hour here , some snow but most of it is rain . let us know how your preps help an what you may have missed on the preps so we all can add what we need . hope all here stay safe mick

Anyone that blames a 100year storm on global warming, is obviously missing that part that happened 100 years ago...

[osoab]

Is this Syrian group funded by the CIA?

Iran Technology Behind Hurricane Sandy, Syrian Group Claims (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/31/syrian-supporters-claim-iran-technology-behind-hurricane-sandy_n_2049879.html)

[k-os]

Any looting?

According to Huffpo there is . . .

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/31/hurricane-sandy-looting-brooklyn-coney-island_n_2047183.html

I would have much rather have snagged the pics and posted them here, but they are in a flash player.

[palani]

If you have lots of bandwidth this U.K. article has some pictures.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225112/Superstorm-Sandy-Death-toll-hits-FIFTY-damage-set-50BILLION.html

[JDRock]

Damn JD, there's also a lot of regular good folks going through a shitty time, why would ya call them all pussies? Not everyone falls into that category, there's some good patriots mixed in as well and to tell the truth, even the broke, slave sheep don't need, deserve or want the complications that come with a big storm?
NO-what we dont need is self appointed forum police who would misquote an cause division while preaching tolerance see mambonis and sparkys response for the correct way to respond. maybe magnes is right...hmm either you didnt read my post where did i say EVERYBODY?? and misquoted me based on ignorance-in which case your misguided... OR the only other option is you can read english and knew EXACTLY what i said and chose to deliberatly misquote me in which case magnes might be right. stop playing forum cop your bad at it.

[mamboni]

My neighbor, the marine, comes over every night with the wife for showers and dinner. Last night as he arrived I said: "Bill Bill, did you get cigars?" He says "There isn't a cigar to be found in a 30 mile radius." I said "Oh shit!" Going without tobacco can be worse than no food and water! So I will have to stretch my supply for a few days. We start talking about the three things that people are scrambling for above all else: drinkable water, dry firewood and gasoline. If you have these you are king of the hill. As you all know, these items get consumed quickly. A seemingly large wood pile gets depleted fast when you have to heat your home with an inefficient fireplace. I always keep 4 cases of bottled water in the garage, even though I have primary and backup generators to run my well pump. You never know what can go wrong. The guiding principles of prepping are backup in depth and then some and whatever supply you think you need to stock, double it.

[JDRock]

cigars?? dont tell me your out of fine tobbacco!! should i air drop a box??? how can you MAKE IT without???
ill get a box ready...

[mamboni]

cigars?? dont tell me your out of fine tobbacco!! should i air drop a box??? how can you MAKE IT without???
ill get a box ready...

Great JD! I'm transmitting my coordinates in 3 2 1....

[JDRock]

on my way to the airport...theres only so much hardship a man can take! It is interesting that you guys got a dress rehersal so to speak of a shtf scenario...wow precious knowledge gleaned..thanx for sharing ( im adding cigars to my stash heaven forbid we run out)

[mick silver]

i guess i need some solar panels for my wood stove . thats the next thing on my list . as for the water i have a 15000 gallon tank in the ground so that good . glad to see you guys doing ok . keep up the list of things your running out of . hey look at the coleman lights on there site . i just get one and a few ex batterys and plus you can recharge them when you have the gen on . be safe

[mick silver]

this lantern is bright . i also got ex batterys so i can keep them charged . http://www.coleman.com/product/led-rechargeable-lantern/2000001562?contextCategory=1140 ... http://www.coleman.com/Products/1080/cpxtrade-6-4d-interchangeable-power

[Neuro]

i guess i need some solar panels for my wood stove .
Why the hell would your wood stove need solar panels?

[Libertytree]

Why the hell would your wood stove need solar panels?

Prolly to run the fan?

[mamboni]

Prolly to run the fan?

Better than solar panels, why not use a thermoelectric converter and use a portion of the heat to generate electricity to turn the fan.

http://compare.ebay.com/like/310209561834?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar

http://www.springwise.com/eco_sustainability/wood-stoves-convert-waste-heat-electricity-charging-small-devices/

[Horn]

Brings back memories of that one dude nobody like on GIM,

he used a wind turbine to electrolysis, to create hydrogen for his Hibachi BBQ.

[mamboni]

Brings back memories of that one dude nobody like on GIM,

he used a wind turbine to electrolysis, to create hydrogen for his Hibachi BBQ.

Yeah, the real question is, is he still amongst the living?

[Horn]

Yeah, the real question is, is he still amongst the living?

Halophyte, that was his handle.

Well he was Zogified, but still you have to appreciate someone who pieces shit like that together.

[Libertytree]

NO-what we dont need is self appointed forum police who would misquote an cause division while preaching tolerance see mambonis and sparkys response for the correct way to respond. maybe magnes is right...hmm either you didnt read my post where did i say EVERYBODY?? and misquoted me based on ignorance-in which case your misguided... OR the only other option is you can read english and knew EXACTLY what i said and chose to deliberatly misquote me in which case magnes might be right. stop playing forum cop your bad at it.

Whoa!...Where in the world did you get that I was trying to be the forum police? I simply disagreed with your initial post, that's all. You painted with a broad brush and I didn't misquote anything...

"helpless fools in the east! power outage waaah waahhh..i cant watch dancing with the stars! waaaahh..they implicitly trust the "system" like the fools in new orleans and when will they learn?? the "system ' is a lie! its meant to protect those in power and those with money....everyone i know out west has preps for at LEAST a month. its funny to watch these meterosexual pussies in their gucci loafers in a panic....."

Seriously JD, I wasn't trying to stir any shit, it was just my thoughts at the time. I agree with the premise that most "city" people will be looking for Uncle Sam/.gov to come save them and that many will cry that they're missing DWTS, AI etc... but I still stand by what I said, even though somehow I stated it incorrectly (?). You're a righteous poster dude and the last thing I intended was to stir shit with ya.

Magnes?

[slowbell]

NO-what we dont need is self appointed forum police who would misquote an cause division while preaching tolerance see mambonis and sparkys response for the correct way to respond. maybe magnes is right...hmm either you didnt read my post where did i say EVERYBODY?? and misquoted me based on ignorance-in which case your misguided... OR the only other option is you can read english and knew EXACTLY what i said and chose to deliberatly misquote me in which case magnes might be right. stop playing forum cop your bad at it.

Magnes is forum cop though. What he says is taken as fact on this forum.

Folks believe and follow. Anyone who says their two bits of speech, and doesn't agree, gets banned.

[Neuro]

Magnes is forum cop though. What he says is taken as fact on this forum.

Folks believe and follow. Anyone who says their two bits of speech, and doesn't agree, gets banned.
Wtf, stirring shit, are you? Totally uncalled for!

[slowbell]

Wtf, stirring shit, are you? Totally uncalled for!

Just pointing out the truth. Could not hold my tongue, so to speak.;)

[zap]

cigars?? dont tell me your out of fine tobbacco!! should i air drop a box??? how can you MAKE IT without???
ill get a box ready...


LOL your a bit pissy today?


I have lots of cigars, have been trading them for meat, the shit hasn't hit the fan here yet, but they are good for bartering.

[JohnQPublic]

Better than solar panels, why not use a thermoelectric converter and use a portion of the heat to generate electricity to turn the fan.

http://compare.ebay.com/like/310209561834?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar



This guy (http://www.harding.edu/olree/2009-10/Senior%20Design%20-%20Status%20Reports/Thermoelectric%20Generator/Wood_Burning_Generator_-_Mid-Term_Progress_Report.pdf) used 10-12 of them for a goal of 1.5A at 120 V. That's $300-360 at ebay price.

[Neuro]

Just pointing out the truth. Could not hold my tongue, so to speak.;)
Really just that? It seemed like an uncalled for provocation. Did you wait two weeks just to do that?

[Neuro]

This guy (http://www.harding.edu/olree/2009-10/Senior%20Design%20-%20Status%20Reports/Thermoelectric%20Generator/Wood_Burning_Generator_-_Mid-Term_Progress_Report.pdf) used 10-12 of them for a goal of 1.5A at 120 V. That's $300-360 at ebay price.
That's 180 W, one or two of them should be enough to run a small stove fan

[slowbell]

Really just that? It seemed like an uncalled for provocation. Did you wait two weeks just to do that?

I just logged onto this forum to remove a few pics I had posted. I don't plan on staying long.

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzIrObe3IbQ&feature=related

[Large Sarge]

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-news/49650027#49650027

[Neuro]

I just logged onto this forum to remove a few pics I had posted. I don't plan on staying long.
Ok good bye! See you later...

[Horn]

Ok good bye! See you later...

There's always a way to make a bridge.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?52328-Music-stuck-on-you!&p=581471&viewfull=1#post581471

[slowbell]

Ok good bye! See you later...

Just take good care of that little sailboat of yours, that's all I hope for. Cheers my friend.

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzw6FI5IlOw

[EE_]

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-news/49650027#49650027

That's pretty sad if these people aren't getting help. The marathon must go on the Jewish organizers say!
I think New York has always been a place full of ruthless, self centered people, too busy chasing the dollar to care about their fellow man.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg had said Tuesday that he expected the marathon would be run. The city must determine whether holding the race would be safe and viable with flooding, power outages and transit shutdowns still afflicting the five boroughs.

New York Road Runners President Mary Wittenberg said Wednesday that organizers were preparing to use more private contractors than past years to reduce the strain on city services. Wittenberg insists the race can be an inspiration to New Yorkers and benefit businesses that have lost money because of the storm.
http://news.yahoo.com/nyc-marathon-organizers-awaiting-word-city-183651405--spt.html

[Glass]

Some before and afters in Jersey.


http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/10-2/Manta%20Pre_0.jpg


The images don't link for some reason. on going unresolved issues with posting images or videos on this forum.

See images here: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-01/hurricane-sandy-satellite-photos-and-after

There is about a dozen or so.

[Neuro]

Just take good care of that little sailboat of yours, that's all I hope for. Cheers my friend.
Actually I never bought it, the hull was in very bad condition, had been up on land too long. I'll find another one though...

[EE_]

Just take good care of that little sailboat of yours, that's all I hope for. Cheers my friend.

You could just stay here and drive a few members crazy?

[osoab]

Some before and afters in Jersey.



The images don't link for some reason. on going unresolved issues with posting images or videos on this forum.

See images here: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-01/hurricane-sandy-satellite-photos-and-after

There is about a dozen or so.


I just went through them on ZH.

It would have been a better comparison with dates and that the amount of sun was equal. The low sunlight in the after photos give more of a devastation look. Too many shadows.

I haven't got much of anything to work in posting vids for the last 2 weeks plus or pics in the last week or so, have to use brackets. Today was the first time I have had issues with smilies that are in the posting area. Had to copy the pic and then paste.

[slowbell]

You could just stay here and drive a few members crazy?

One of those members is a Fed agent. I think I'll pass. Quite a few forums out there that have rules, forum rules, that don't allow trolling or data mining.

[General of Darkness]

One of those members is a Fed agent. I think I'll pass. Quite a few forums out there that have rules, forum rules, that don't allow trolling or data mining.

Pete you ok, you seemed really pissed off today, kinda GoD like if you know what I mean. :)

[Horn]

One of those members is a Fed agent...

But, you're my champion, slowbell.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-wJNpWgss8

[EE_]

I wonder if any of the destroyed cars are covered by insurance

THE TREMENDOUS ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF SUPERSTORM SANDY
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Posted on 31st October 2012 by Administrator in Economy |Politics |Social Issues

The public relations propaganda campaign to convince the ignorant masses that Sandy’s impact on our economy will be minor and ultimately positive, as rebuilding boosts GDP, has begun. I’ve been hearing it on the corporate radio, seeing it on corporate TV and reading it in the corporate newspapers. There are stories in the press that this storm won’t hurt the earnings of insurers. The only way this can be true is if the insurance companies figure out a way to not pay claims. They wouldn’t do that. Would they?

It seems all the stories use unnamed economists as the background experts for their contention that this storm will not cause any big problems for the country. These are the same economists who never see a recession coming, never see a housing collapse, and are indoctrinated in Keynesian claptrap theory.



Bastiat understood the ridiculousness of Kenesianism and the foolishness of believing that a disaster leads to economic growth.

Bastiat’s original parable of the broken window from Ce qu’on voit et ce qu’on ne voit pas (1850):

Have you ever witnessed the anger of the good shopkeeper, James Goodfellow, when his careless son has happened to break a pane of glass? If you have been present at such a scene, you will most assuredly bear witness to the fact that every one of the spectators, were there even thirty of them, by common consent apparently, offered the unfortunate owner this invariable consolation—”It is an ill wind that blows nobody good. Everybody must live, and what would become of the glaziers if panes of glass were never broken?”

Now, this form of condolence contains an entire theory, which it will be well to show up in this simple case, seeing that it is precisely the same as that which, unhappily, regulates the greater part of our economical institutions.

Suppose it cost six francs to repair the damage, and you say that the accident brings six francs to the glazier’s trade—that it encourages that trade to the amount of six francs—I grant it; I have not a word to say against it; you reason justly. The glazier comes, performs his task, receives his six francs, rubs his hands, and, in his heart, blesses the careless child. All this is that which is seen.

But if, on the other hand, you come to the conclusion, as is too often the case, that it is a good thing to break windows, that it causes money to circulate, and that the encouragement of industry in general will be the result of it, you will oblige me to call out, “Stop there! Your theory is confined to that which is seen; it takes no account of that which is not seen.”

It is not seen that as our shopkeeper has spent six francs upon one thing, he cannot spend them upon another. It is not seen that if he had not had a window to replace, he would, perhaps, have replaced his old shoes, or added another book to his library. In short, he would have employed his six francs in some way, which this accident has prevented.

Economists and MSM faux journalists don’t want you to think for yourself. If you just consider some basic situations that are happening or will happen to average people throughout the Northeast, you’ll understand that this storm will have a huge NEGATIVE impact on the economy.

•Small stores, restaurants, and thousands of other businesses were shut down for at least two days and some will be closed for a week or more. These businesses employ hundreds of thousands of hourly workers. These businesses earned no revenue, therefore their profits were reduced. The hourly workers did not get paid. Therefore, they have less money to spend for clothing, tech gadgets, food, etc. Both the businesses and the workers will pay less taxes to the government, increasing the national debt.
•The reduced revenue at retailers due to being closed and reduced spending by customers will cause them to layoff more workers or in the case of smaller retailers, go out of business altogether.
•The damage caused by the storm will result in insurance companies providing billions in claim payouts. This will reduce their earnings, causing them to layoff employees in order to meet their quarterly earnings expectations. Some smaller insurance companies may go out of business.
•Anyone with a tree down in their yard, damage to their fence, roof damage, flooded basement, etc. that is not covered by insurance will have to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on fixing the damage. This is money they won’t spend on Christmas presents next month.
•Many people do not have the savings to fix the damage to their houses. They will put the costs on their credit cards paying 15% interest to the criminal Wall Street cabal.
•States and municipalities are required to balance their budgets on an annual basis. They are already faced with $2 trillion of unfunded pension and healthcare liabilities owed to government union workers. These states and municipalities are now faced with lost tax revenue, lost transit revenue and a tremendous amount of unbudgeted capital and personnel costs related to this storm. The long-term result will be more government worker layoffs, higher taxes for the citizens of these states, and the acceleration of municipal bankruptcies due to an unsustainable financial dynamic. These bankruptcies will wipe out the retirement savings of government workers across the Northeast, with the predictable result of more pain and suffering for senior citizens already being screwed by Bernanke’s ZIRP.
•Politicians and government drones will declare we must rebuild and help those in need. They will approve $20 billion of “Federal” disaster relief. But, we all know the $20 billion does not exist in a government bank account. It will be borrowed from future generations. It will just be added to our current $16.3 trillion tab. We will pay interest on this $20 billion FOREVER. The true cost of the $20 billion relief will be $30 billion after decades of accumulated interest. It’s like an ignorant American taking a $20,000 vacation, putting it on their credit card and making the minimum payment for eternity.
You may realize that the only beneficieries of this tragedy will be the issuers of debt. That’s right, the criminal Wall Street banks will earn more interest as desperate Americans have to use credit cards to survive. The destroyed automobiles will be replaced with autos financed by Wall Street. Businesses and homeowners will go further into debt making repairs.

Considering the country has been in recession since June, this disaster will be the final straw that breaks the camel’s back. The powers that be will try to keep the broken economy fallacy going as long as they can, but anyone capable of thinking realizes the country is in the shitter. The mood continues to darken. The storm clouds continue to swirl and a bad moon is rising. But don’t worry, unnamed economists say everything is just fine. Fix that window and boost the economy.

http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=43305

[milehi]

Some before and afters in Jersey.



The images don't link for some reason. on going unresolved issues with posting images or videos on this forum.

See images here: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-01/hurricane-sandy-satellite-photos-and-after

There is about a dozen or so.

Some of the "damage" looks like it just needs the sand removed.

[Horn]

Right EE_ was thinking about how its going to be a long road until they start building again, probably at least a year away.

I think why many past storms would/were quicker to start back because people had some juice then, and would do it before and bank on a recoup ins. check coming later. Contractors themselves had the juice enough to work on credit back then.

Not near as much now, everythings gotta be bean counted & double checked for tax. Maybe also for carbon output in the future even...

[Glass]

Some of the "damage" looks like it just needs the sand removed.

Thats what I thought. Maybe on the ground it's a different picture. In the old days you might build a basic beach shack in those kind of areas. Basic basic shelter thats good enough for the summer break but not MacMansion style housing. Then if it washed or blew away it didn't matter.

[Horn]

Much of that stuff is up on pilings, and you can't see how they've become undermined, or wacked.

Some could just be shells with their floors blown out, or damaged. Then there's the gypsum walls that just swell and mildew.

I remember growing up we replaced the gypsum downstairs about 3ft. up just for Noreasters with plywood, the bay does backup in there atleast once or twice a year... You aren't "allowed" to build low, but many still do.

My toilet growing up was 3 stairs up then sit down on it. :)

[vacuum]

Why the hell would your wood stove need solar panels?


Prolly to run the fan?


Better than solar panels, why not use a thermoelectric converter and use a portion of the heat to generate electricity to turn the fan.

http://compare.ebay.com/like/310209561834?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar

http://www.springwise.com/eco_sustainability/wood-stoves-convert-waste-heat-electricity-charging-small-devices/

Check these out:


www.amazon.com/dp/B0012MD796 (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0012MD796) - 105 CFM

www.amazon.comdp/B001AYZMWQ (http://www.amazon.comdp/B001AYZMWQ) - 150 CFM

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41qJMfmBnGL._SY450_.jpg

[vacuum]

Prolly to run the fan?


Why the hell would your wood stove need solar panels?


My neighbor, the marine, comes over every night with the wife for showers and dinner. Last night as he arrived I said: "Bill Bill, did you get cigars?" He says "There isn't a cigar to be found in a 30 mile radius." I said "Oh shit!" Going without tobacco can be worse than no food and water! So I will have to stretch my supply for a few days. We start talking about the three things that people are scrambling for above all else: drinkable water, dry firewood and gasoline. If you have these you are king of the hill. As you all know, these items get consumed quickly. A seemingly large wood pile gets depleted fast when you have to heat your home with an inefficient fireplace. I always keep 4 cases of bottled water in the garage, even though I have primary and backup generators to run my well pump. You never know what can go wrong. The guiding principles of prepping are backup in depth and then some and whatever supply you think you need to stock, double it.

Important advice. From looking at Drudge, it seems gasoline is definitely at the top of the list. It's only been like 4 days. You can go for that long without eating if needed.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHcgN8HfQmQwaBH3deS6UpJgVM3aBkm JThcL099dx37fqPCmLU
Gas Shortages May Not End for Another Week... (http://www.cnbc.com/id/49642174)
Fear Turns to Frustration, Anger... (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/01/tensions-boil-over-at-gas-stations-as-pumps-run-dry-in-wake-sandy/)
Fistfights, Guns Drawn... (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/01/reports-fistfights-guns-gas-stations-shortages-Sandy)
'You're not getting gas tonight'... (http://www.myfoxny.com/story/19980450/arrests-made-in-post-storm-incidents)
Lines grow... (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/01/14858153-lines-grow-tempers-flare-at-pumps-as-gas-shortage-grows-after-sandy?lite)
Some Siphoning From Cars! (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/11/01/parts-of-northern-new-jersey-remain-in-the-dark-from-sandy/)
'I'm pretty pissed'... (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/gas-pains-pumps-dry-lines-long-new-york-article-1.1195237)
Troopers deployed to gas stations... (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/11/01/frustration-forms-at-gas-stations-across-tri-state-area-as-drivers-hunt-for-fuel/)

[DMac]

Seriously, the gasoline shortage is scary as hell around here. Some towns have rationing, 10 gallons per sale. I haven't seen any gouging and am doing limited driving. I've heard from more than one friend in the area, "it's like the end of the world out there" wrt gas.

And this is only the beginning.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/17/The_black_swan_taleb_cover.jpg/200px-The_black_swan_taleb_cover.jpg

[Neuro]

Seriously, the gasoline shortage is scary as hell around here. Some towns have rationing, 10 gallons per sale. I haven't seen any gouging and am doing limited driving. I've heard from more than one friend in the area, "it's like the end of the world out there" wrt gas.

And this is only the beginning.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/17/The_black_swan_taleb_cover.jpg/200px-The_black_swan_taleb_cover.jpg
Infrastructure would break down very quickly with a prolonged gas shortage, because people won't be able to get to work, transportation of food and necessities, would stop. Even if you have fuel you may not be able to go anywhere, because roads are clogged with abandoned vehicles, of people who wants to leave the metropolitan area ASAP, but ran out of fuel...

[chad]

no gas = no electricity (can't get coal to power plants with no gas) = nuclear power plants blowing up = all of dead.

pretty stupid system we have designed. big nuclear things that depend on oil to not kill us all.

[BrewTech]

LOL your a bit pissy today?


I have lots of cigars, have been trading them for meat, the shit hasn't hit the fan here yet, but they are good for bartering.

I was lucky enough to have one of those... very nice!

[Large Sarge]

Round 2

powerful noreaster winding up to really batter them again

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2226618/Brace-round-Powerful-noreaster-winter-storm-bears-East-Coast-reeling-Sandy-s-devastation.html

no power and heating, lets turn the temp down real low, human popsicles

[DMac]

How is this for stupidity of Bloomberg, Cuomo and the rest of the so called leadership? Not a joke, been on the news several times.

If you want to enter NYC via any of the open tunnels/bridges there is a mandatory car pool of 3 or more per vehicle otherwise denied entry. Truckers with supplies have been denied entry. By law these commercial trucks are only allowed 2 seats.

Are you kidding me?!

[EE_]

Round 2

powerful noreaster winding up to really batter them again

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2226618/Brace-round-Powerful-noreaster-winter-storm-bears-East-Coast-reeling-Sandy-s-devastation.html

no power and heating, lets turn the temp down real low, human popsicles

http://www.jewish-holiday.com/Images/FROZENCHOSENTITLE.GIF

[JDRock]

LOL your a bit pissy today?


I have lots of cigars, have been trading them for meat, the shit hasn't hit the fan here yet, but they are good for bartering.
zap mamboni and i have this satirical humor thing going...its a guy thing prolly...death and destruction abounding and the issue of importance to us is cigars!....btw mamboni, will cohibas do??

[Horn]

Round 2

powerful noreaster winding up to really batter them again

If its the kind that sits there for 2 or 3 days it would be horrible.

For them on the beach, I hope not.

[Libertytree]

The most bizarre thing is NYC hell bent on having their marathon, I mean WTF?!

[DMac]

The most bizarre thing is NYC hell bent on having their marathon, I mean WTF?!

There was a clip on the news earlier of how some displaced residents that were holding up in NYC hotels were being evicted for Marathon runners.

Ouch. How's that for a big ole efff uuuuuu