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iOWNme
31st October 2012, 08:35 AM
US Supreme Court To Argue Use Of K9 Search Outside Your Home

http://www.infowars.com/us-supreme-court-to-argue-use-of-k9-search-outside-your-home/



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They’re already allowed to search your car, your crotch and your luggage. Now, man’s best friend is about to be allowed to sniff around outside your home, too (http://www.npr.org/2012/10/31/163720403/can-drug-sniffing-dog-prompt-home-search). And if they smell something they don’t like, you’re going to jail. Your Constitutional right to secure your home against unreasonable search and seizure is about to be erased.

Gregory Garre, an attorney representing the state of Florida, argues that it’s perfectly legal to use drug-detection dogs to sniff around your outside house and if the dog alerts they can use that to justify entering your home to conduct a search. He compares it to Trick-or-Treaters on Halloween night:

“The police ‘did the same thing that millions of Americans will do on Halloween night, which is walk up to the front steps, knock on the door, and while they were there, they took in the air and the dog alerted to the smell of illegal narcotics.’”

The difference is, Americans don’t have to open their doors to Trick-or-Treaters if they don’t want to, but we all know what happens if you deny entry to a cop.

At issue is a 2006 case involving Joelis Jardines. After receiving an anonymous crime-stoppers tip that Jardines was conducting illegal drug activity in his home, police officers showed up on his doorstep with Franky, their drug-sniffing dog. When Franky alerted for drugs – outside the home, on the front porch – police officers got a warrant, searched Jardines’ home, found marijuana, and arrested him.
Jardines’ lawyer, Public Defender Howard Blumberg, argued that the dog sniff constituted illegal search and seizure and the Florida Supreme Court agreed.

“The entire history of the Fourth Amendment really is based on the fact that the home is different,” says Jardines’ lawyer, Howard Blumberg. “It goes all the way back to the early 1600s and the saying that a man’s home is his castle.”

The case now stands before the US Supreme Court where justices will be asked to decide if allowing a dog to perform a drug-sniff at the front door is a Fourth Amendment search requiring probable cause. Blumberg warns that if the use of drug-sniffing dogs outside the home is not deemed to be a search the “real-life consequences could be profound.”

“Police would be free ‘to walk up and down suburban neighborhoods, go up to each door, and see if the dog alerts to contraband.’ And they could do the same thing in apartment houses, checking out each apartment door ‘based on nothing, or on an anonymous tip, or because that’s what they want to do that day.’”

The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution says: “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

In 2001 Justice Antonin Scalia ruled that police could not use heat-detection devices outside a home to detect marijuana grow lights, calling it an invasion of privacy because the technology could also detect innocent details of the homeowner’s life, such as “the hour at which the lady of the house takes her bath.”

Of course, the state argues that the police have much better things to do with their time than walk their drug-sniffing dogs around homes and apartment buildings if they don’t have probable cause. They also argue that their dogs only alert to drugs, so what’s the problem?

The problem is, when it comes to drug sniffing dogs you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t. If you don’t allow the search you’re automatically assumed guilty. If you do, those dogs are going to find something and you’re either going to jail or the cops are going to confiscate whatever they find.

Under current laws, law enforcement agencies are allowed to seize assets they suspect are tied to illegal activity. Once the property has been seized it’s up to the owner to prove he obtained those assets legally. In about 80 percent of forfeiture cases the property owner is never charged with a crime, and he never gets the property back.

Consider the 2010 case of Jerome Chennault who lost $22,870 in a traffic stop (http://www.theintelligencer.com/local_news/article_c27b45aa-3395-5064-8542-2d4c4d66bc3d.html). While traveling between South Carolina and his home in Henderson, Nev., Chennault was pulled over in Edwardsvill, Ill. for following another car too closely. The officer thought he had an “inappropriate laugh” and asked Chennault if he could search his car. Of course, Chennault said yes, what else could he say?

The officer found $22,870 in a side pocket of Chennault’s travel bag. A narcotics dog was called to the scene and the dog gave a positive alert when it sniffed the cash.

When Chennault was questioned further, he told officials that he had withdrawn $28,000 from an account in Las Vegas “and had left home with it three or four months prior intending to buy a house in South Carolina while staying with a nephew,” according to the complaint.

Chennault then had to spend more than $2,000 in court and attorney fees to get his money back. Madison County Public Defender John Rekowski said, “To forfeit when there is a crime is one thing. To say that you have to come in and post, in this case, more than $2,000 with the court to get back the $22,000 that they took from you because they felt like taking it, is ridiculous.”

In a 2005 case, Illinois v. Caballes, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that having a K9 cop sniff the outside of a vehicle during a routine traffic stop does not violate the Fourth Amendment. However, Justice David Souter dissented, pointing out the mounting evidence that drug-sniffing dogs aren’t always reliable, noting that an Illinois study found the dogs failed 12.5 to 60 percent of the time.

Dogs are bred and trained to please their human owners and they can easily be manipulated to alert whenever their handler wants them to. Even the most conscientious handler can inadvertently use body language that he’s suspicious of something and the dog will alert simply because that’s the way he’s been trained.

In 2011, the Chicago Tribune published a review of drug searches (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-01-06/news/ct-met-canine-officers-20110105_1_drug-sniffing-dogs-alex-rothacker-drug-dog) which found that, over a 3-year period, only 44 percent of dog alerts led to the discovery of actual illegal drugs. The report also stated that for Hispanic drivers the success rate was only 27 percent, making it even more obvious that drug-sniffing dogs are responding to the biases of their handlers.

The Huffington Post showed video of a traffic stop to K-9 expert, Gene Papet (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/31/drug-search-trekies-stopped-searched-illinois_n_1364087.html), the Executive Director of K9 Resources.

“Just before the dog alerts, you can hear a change in the tone of the handler’s voice. That’s troubling. I don’t know anything about this particular handler, but that’s often an indication of a handler that’s cuing a response.” In other words, it’s indicative of a handler instructing the dog to alert, not waiting to see whether the dog will alert.”

“You also hear the handler say at one point that the dog alerted from the front of the car because the wind is blowing from the back of the car to the front, so the scent would have carried with the wind,” Papet says. “But the dog was brought around the car twice. If that’s the case, the dog should have alerted the first time he was brought to the front of the car. The dog only alerted the second time, which corresponded to what would be consistent with a vocal cue from the handler.

The Florida case is expected to be presented to the U.S. Supreme Court in December.

midnight rambler
31st October 2012, 08:38 AM
Dogs are bred and trained to please their human owners and they can easily be manipulated to alert whenever their handler wants them to. Even the most conscientious handler can inadvertently use body language that he’s suspicious of something and the dog will alert simply because that’s the way he’s been trained.

The courts need/want to ignore this 'minor' detail.

willie pete
31st October 2012, 11:21 AM
all they have to do is say the dog alerted....our rights are slowly erroding away

iOWNme
4th November 2012, 06:22 AM
Related story...

A US District Court Judge ruled it is REASONABLE to allow Government DEA Agents to enter rural property without the owners permission to install cameras to spy on citizens.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHiXZzN6z_8

General of Darkness
4th November 2012, 06:31 AM
The courts need/want to ignore this 'minor' detail.

I can whisper under my breath, "Where is he", and both Enzo or Shelby will go NUTS. These country is a police state, no doubt about that.

slowbell
4th November 2012, 07:53 AM
I've heard a lot of cash bills have traces of cocaine on them. I wonder if these dogs can smell that. Imagine answering your door on a peaceful morning. You see a cop standing there. His dog smells your cash in your pocket. Next thing you know...they have probable cause to search your whole home.

The creepiness police state, one step closer.

midnight rambler
4th November 2012, 08:34 AM
I've heard a lot of cash bills have traces of cocaine on them. I wonder if these dogs can smell that.

Of course they can. But what's much more disturbing is the ability to covertly trigger the dog to give a false alert.

slowbell
4th November 2012, 08:45 AM
Of course they can. But what's much more disturbing is the ability to covertly trigger the dog to give a false alert.

Knowing what you've posted about your knowledge on training dogs...yes, very very disturbing.

Midnight, I don't think folks realize just how huge of a violation of our rights this is. There's lawyers who dedicate their whole careers on studying search and seizure, 4th amendment rights. You can't put a dog on the stand in a courtroom. How do you question a dogs 'interpretation'?

General of Darkness
4th November 2012, 09:02 AM
Of course they can. But what's much more disturbing is the ability to covertly trigger the dog to give a false alert.

MR, your point is exactly correct.

Here's the things that people need to understand about dogs or realize about dogs and how to "manipulate" a dog to do what you want it to do.

1 - Dogs are goal driven, or what we call their drive, just like humans.
2 - When you understand a dogs drive/motivation, then you can exploit it to your advantage, just like a human
3 - A dogs usual drive is prey, aggression, defense, food, and then you have compulsion or you force the dog to do what you want
4 - You always work with food, until food isn't enough etc etc until you ultimately end up with force
5 - Both my dogs have high food drive NOW, Enzo not in the beginning. I can get either of my dogs to do what I want, to a point, with food

So now that you know that we have training.

One thing that's common in Schutzhund, is subtle handler help.

Here's an example. I've trained both Enzo and Shelby to do a military about turn, but what I've done is also trained them to be ready for the about. How I've done that is that prior to doing the about I take a BIG breath, where my chest comes out, it's very obvious, but now it's subtle, they recognize it and wham it looks perfect.

I could easily teach my dogs that when I'm in front of the door at a house, I make a subtle but abnormal breath, have my feet a certain way, move an arm etc and they start barking, sit, go in the down position whatever. And then I say the dog alerted, we're coming in.

This is fucking scary shit because you can manufacture the alert, and you have to trust low IQ assholes with guns that might have a hair up their ass, they're bored or need to make a quota. Never mind your rights, you could end up dead.

Hatha Sunahara
4th November 2012, 09:05 AM
This is all the more reason to get an organized effort going to end the War on Drugs. This is just another perversion of justice that comes from that insane assault on the people of this country.


Hatha

slowbell
4th November 2012, 09:14 AM
This is fucking scary shit because you can manufacture the alert, and you have to trust low IQ assholes with guns that might have a hair up their ass, they're bored or need to make a quota. Never mind your rights, you could end up dead.

Knowing what I know about police work...this thread, this discussion here, is by far the scariest thread on this forum I've ever read. Just wanted to point that out.

midnight rambler
4th November 2012, 09:26 AM
Knowing what you've posted about your knowledge on training dogs...yes, very very disturbing.

Midnight, I don't think folks realize just how huge of a violation of our rights this is. There's lawyers who dedicate their whole careers on studying search and seizure, 4th amendment rights. You can't put a dog on the stand in a courtroom. How do you question a dogs 'interpretation'?

And of course the K-9 cop is the 'expert witness'. lol

Neuro
4th November 2012, 11:28 AM
Of course they can. But what's much more disturbing is the ability to covertly trigger the dog to give a false alert.
Or they can just claim it alerted. There goes reasonable cause, for a search warrant. Actually, they don't even need to bring a dog, they can claim they were there yesterday, and the dog alerted...

Twisted Titan
4th November 2012, 01:54 PM
I can tell you flat out this is pretty much the moment of truth for me.


I have smoked cigs and had a few beers way back in the day but i have been a straight arrow my entire life when it comes to drugs.. No pills, smack, weed, shrooms, acid, dust, coke,heron NOTHING.

If a cop stands at my door telling me his narco mutt is barking and he needs to conduct a search. The answer will be a flat out no and shit is gonnna go down hill real quick.

If you let a cop in your home within 10 minutes his ass can arrest you and probally hit you with atleast two felonies.


I pray that God keeps this from my door.....literrally....cause i tell you the assualt on my house will make the media.

slowbell
4th November 2012, 02:11 PM
If a cop stands at my door telling me his narco mutt is barking and he needs to conduct a search. The answer will be a flat out no and shit is gonnna go down hill real quick..

Tell the cop to pound sand and go get a warrant.

This is a tool the cops will use to toss out the 4th amendment. The power they have now, just because a dog is alerted. What I fear, is they will go around with these dogs, target certain folks, and use the dogs as a reason to do unconstitutional searches.

Think about this, people can hide drugs anywhere. If for example the cops get a warrant to search a home for stolen tv's. They can only search where a tv could be, within reason. They can't search small drawers in cabinets for example, that would be unconstitutional, it's not reasonable for a tv to be hiding in a small drawer.

Drugs however, they can tear your whole house apart. Rip walls away, search safes, anything. So, if one of these dogs gets 'alerted' near your home, look out. Your privacy, your home, can be entered and destroyed.