Got answer back from City Attorney........

[Ponce]

Remember that I sent a letter in regards to my Land Patent to the City Attorney and to the US Attorney General?... well, got an answer from the City Attorney and he says that he can say nothing because he can only advice the City Counsil or employees in business and not the general public.......... sooooooo:

I am writing next to the tax man himself........either he gives me an answer as to when the rules about land patent changed in the next 14 days or I'll pay no taxes......will have the letter notorise and the letter wil go by signature acceptane only.......that will be my evidence........will keep you updated......from the one and only :)

[osoab]

Excellent Ponce. How's the knee?

[Ponce]

Took a couple of pain pills which I don't like doing......going back Monday for more X rays, blood coming back into the knee.

Just finished writting to the main Tax Man.....I asked him to quote me as to when the rules about land patent were changed, he has fourteen days to answer me.........will see.......I know that I am right........who knows, maybe I'll open the flood gate for the rest of the chickens in the US to follow me.......danm gringos, they will have to follow my Cuban flag hahahaha.........like I read long ago "you will never know unless you tried it", otherwise you will always wonder "what if?"

[7th trump]

Remember that I sent a letter in regards to my Land Patent to the City Attorney and to the US Attorney General?... well, got an answer from the City Attorney and he says that he can say nothing because he can only advice the City Counsil or employees in business and not the general public.......... sooooooo:

I am writing next to the tax man himself........either he gives me an answer as to when the rules about land patent changed in the next 14 days or I'll pay no taxes......will have the letter notorise and the letter wil go by signature acceptane only.......that will be my evidence........will keep you updated......from the one and only :)

He gave you the correct answer you are looking for Ponce, you just dont see it.
US citizens (you) are in a "commerce" jurisdiction Ponce. Another popular stealthy politically correct name for "commerce" is "bussiness".
Seriously, look up your states civil laws (statutes) for US citizens and "commerce", all 50 states have this statute. There you will find that federal "US citizens" fall within "commerce".
Land patents are not "commerce" and are useless to the "People" when they put themselves in the jurisdicitional capacity as "US citizens".
My local assessor in this neck of the woods told me that he gets his authority from the federal government. The federal government is who says who can be taxed and how much.........his words not mine.

[Ponce]

All that you have to do is to find the right spot in a material in order to unravel the whole fabric........how do you know that I cannot find it unless I look?................the needle is pointed in order to pierce the material and then it drags the thread but the thread dictates as to how far the needle will go for the knot at the end of the thread.......well, I am that knot.

Maybe his answer is the correct one for you, for being part of the herd.....but you know me, I march to the sound of my own drum and outside of the circle.........do you go by what others say to you?. The fact that he has the approval of the government doesn't mean that he is right, maybe he is right to the government, but not to the nature of man and or to a free thinker.

Already made up the letter as I said I would......next? the Dr is coming to take me away ha ha, to the FEMA camp.

[Glass]

I think what 7thtrump is saying is correct. It depends on how they see you, not how you see you. If they see someone in commerce then they will deal on that basis.

So how would they see you as being in business? Are you using FRN's? Did you pay the Tax Lien with FRN's? I don't believe you can discharge any part of the US bankrupcty with FRN's including your lands tax lien. All that is occuring is that the debt is set off using someone elses IOU's. That relieves you off the obligation but gives the IOU issuer an interest in the thing concerned i.e. the land. Maybe someone else has a different take on it but that's the way I see it.

[chad]

tax lien...
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[7th trump]

All that you have to do is to find the right spot in a material in order to unravel the whole fabric........how do you know that I cannot find it unless I look?................the needle is pointed in order to pierce the material and then it drags the thread but the thread dictates as to how far the needle will go for the knot at the end of the thread.......well, I am that knot.

Maybe his answer is the correct one for you, for being part of the herd.....but you know me, I march to the sound of my own drum and outside of the circle.........do you go by what others say to you?. The fact that he has the approval of the government doesn't mean that he is right, maybe he is right to the government, but not to the nature of man and or to a free thinker.

Already made up the letter as I said I would......next? the Dr is coming to take me away ha ha, to the FEMA camp.
As Glass has pointed out Ponce, its how they see you, not how you see yourself.
A cop will give you a ticket for speeding because hes got you on radar going over the limit, not because you thought you were doing 55. Otherwise you are no different than the emporer having no clothes.

You are in "commerce" as far as the state is concerned.
Sorry to say, but your letter isnt going to procure the answer you are looking for Ponce. This letter isnt going to change the standing in law they see you in.
I dont know Ponce, but would you beleive a child telling you he doesnt have a frog in his pocket when clearly you can see that he does have a frog in his pocket?
This is what you are doing Ponce by writting this letter.......you are argueing to them that you self proclaim you dont have a frog in your pocket when they clearly see that you have.
Its not them trying to conspire against you.....its your ignorance to the operation of law.

If you want to unravel the fabric Ponce you'll need to understand two things.
1. Jurisdiction!
2. How you became subject to "the jurisdiction there of".

Otherwise your attempts to unravel the fabric will be useless and all you will do it confuse yourself into beleiving conspiracies to justify what you cant figure out to understand what it is confusing you.

Here Ponce.....I'll give you a little insight and some ammo..........read up on the "Adminstrative Procedures Act"!!!
Seriously.....look up the APA!
Its been statutorized by every state and its there for you to fight back administratively.
The APA is about re-attaining individual Rights Ponce!

[Ponce]

On the first one, by some "judicial" the are talking about the US highest court or the president.......haven found nothing that has "annulled" the rest of what I have posted.
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A patent is the highest evidence of title, and is conclusive against the government and all claiming under junior patents or titles, until it is set aside or annulled by some judicial. [Stone v United States, 2 Wall. (67 U.S.) 765 (1865)]

The Patent alone passes land from the United States to the grantee and nothing passes a perfect title to land but a (WILCOX v JACKSON, 43 Peter (U.S.) 498, 10 L Ed. 264) ".... with no fee or duty (TAX)!!!

The land patent is the highest evidence of tittle and is inmune from
collateral attack. [Raestle v Witson, 582p 2d 170,172 (197)]

Neither a town or its officers have any right to appropiate or interfere
with private property. [Mitchel v City of Rockland -15 me. 496]

The Patent alone passes land from the United States to the grantee and nothing passes a perfect title to land but a (WILCOX v JACKSON, 43 Peter (U.S.) 498, 10 L Ed. 264) ".... with no fee or duty (TAX)!!!

That the patent canes the fee and is the best title known to a court of law is the settled doctrine of this court. [Marshall v Ladd, 7 Wall. (74 U.S.) 106 (1869).]

A patent for land is the highest evidence of title and is conclusive as against the government and all claiming under junior patents or titles. United States v Stone, 2 Us 525.

When congress has prescribed the conditions upon which portions of the public domain may be alienated (to convey, to transfer), and has provided that upon the fulfillment of the conditions the United States shall issue a patent to the purchaser, then such land is not taxable by a state. Sargent v Herrick & Stevens, 221 Us 404: Northern P,R. Co. v Trail County , 115 US 600........... .....by obtaining my land patent I have obtained the same rights as the very first individual to get theirs "such land is not taxable by the state"

[Hatha Sunahara]

I've been watching the videos on Palani's Creditors and Debtors thread here:

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?64702-Perspectives-On-Creditors-amp-Debtors

It is better to be a creditor in commerce than a debtor. This series of videos has a great deal of depth. There is even a description of the Accepted for Value redemption method. Which is easier than getting a land patent, so if you don't want to pay your property tax, just send it back with Accepted for Value, Returned for Value, your signature and social security number--and the money to pay your property will come out of your 'pre-paid' account that arises from your birth certificate.

Your objective, Ponce, seems to be to see how far you can go in asserting your sovereignty before you run into resistance. The more resistance, the more likely you have found a hole in the fence that all the slaves can use to escape. I think you are just trying to have a little fun with the bureaucrats.


Hatha

[Ponce]

Well, I know that I am right........and by what the tax man told me "The US used to own the land before it was given to the people and land patent therefor we can tax them"..........the land was under a "trust" of the US....all that the US owned was the......what?.....ten squares miles in DC?

And then his attorney told me ........ "I am not threating you but.....if you don't pay your tax you will loose your property"...big mistake because I now own a "private" property tha is different from a plain propery...and also......you cannot loose your private property to a "debt or TAX" was you have it.

[milehi]

I've been watching the videos on Palani's Creditors and Debtors thread here:

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?64702-Perspectives-On-Creditors-amp-Debtors

It is better to be a creditor in commerce than a debtor. This series of videos has a great deal of depth. There is even a description of the Accepted for Value redemption method. Which is easier than getting a land patent, so if you don't want to pay your property tax, just send it back with Accepted for Value, Returned for Value, your signature and social security number--and the money to pay your property will come out of your 'pre-paid' account that arises from your birth certificate.

Your objective, Ponce, seems to be to see how far you can go in asserting your sovereignty before you run into resistance. The more resistance, the more likely you have found a hole in the fence that all the slaves can use to escape. I think you are just trying to have a little fun with the bureaucrats.


Hatha

Thanks Hatha. I'm going to do this with two properties that I haven't lived in for over a year, but was charged a fire "protection" FEE from the State two days ago for living in a rural area. $115 for both addresses. I told them BofA was the owner at the time, not me. The bill came from the State Board of Equalization, so it's a TAX.

[Bigjon]

Here is a link to an audio I posted a week ago that discusses how most state constitutions description of property show that most of us live on private property, but most are recorded as real property a commercial designation.

link
(http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?64619-Private-Property-is-what-most-of-us-have-only-we-ve-been-suckered-into-Real-Estate&p=584044#post584044)

[Ponce]

Because property tax is a contract you could also write across it UCC 1-380 and then write "without preduce" and then signed and send it back........cross out and initial the numbers that you don't like.

[Glass]

As Glass has pointed out Ponce, its how they see you, not how you see yourself.
A cop will give you a ticket for speeding because hes got you on radar going over the limit, not because you thought you were doing 55. Otherwise you are no different than the emporer having no clothes.

You are in "commerce" as far as the state is concerned.
Sorry to say, but your letter isnt going to procure the answer you are looking for Ponce. This letter isnt going to change the standing in law they see you in.
I dont know Ponce, but would you beleive a child telling you he doesnt have a frog in his pocket when clearly you can see that he does have a frog in his pocket?
This is what you are doing Ponce by writting this letter.......you are argueing to them that you self proclaim you dont have a frog in your pocket when they clearly see that you have.
Its not them trying to conspire against you.....its your ignorance to the operation of law.

If you want to unravel the fabric Ponce you'll need to understand two things.
1. Jurisdiction!
2. How you became subject to "the jurisdiction there of".

Otherwise your attempts to unravel the fabric will be useless and all you will do it confuse yourself into beleiving conspiracies to justify what you cant figure out to understand what it is confusing you.

Here Ponce.....I'll give you a little insight and some ammo..........read up on the "Adminstrative Procedures Act"!!!
Seriously.....look up the APA!
Its been statutorized by every state and its there for you to fight back administratively.
The APA is about re-attaining individual Rights Ponce!

I don't think it's as complicated as that. I just don't think writing letters asking questions of thieves is going to turn up anything worthwhile. I would not be waiting to find out how they see me. I would be noticing them.

I think Ponce has done that to some extent as part of the patent reinstatement process. I'm more concerned that waiting for them is going to be dangerous because they will just do their own secret paper work and send out a default judgment. The first Ponce might know of it is when the notice gets placed out side the property. I think it needs more aggression in terms of securing Ponces lawful position.

To do that it's best to have a target. Someone on their side that can be targeted and made an example of. A demonstration of the force of what Ponce has done. Perhaps this fishing for answers will actually turn someone up.

The thing about the paperwork they send out, letters and responses etc is to read between the lines. It's what they don't say thats important. The answers they don't give by way of ignoring the questions or making excuse. The city attorney clearly used an out so they did not have to respond. The reason is because they need to rebut but can't.

Maybe it wont be a big deal after all and after a bunch of threats, give us the money or we'll take your stuff they will leave him alone.

[7th trump]

Because property tax is a contract you could also write across it UCC 1-380 and then write "without preduce" and then signed and send it back........cross out and initial the numbers that you don't like.

Seeings how you beleive most anything Guru on the net these days Ponce I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale Ponce....you interested?

[7th trump]

I don't think it's as complicated as that. I just don't think writing letters asking questions of thieves is going to turn up anything worthwhile. I would not be waiting to find out how they see me. I would be noticing them.

I think Ponce has done that to some extent as part of the patent reinstatement process. I'm more concerned that waiting for them is going to be dangerous because they will just do their own secret paper work and send out a default judgment. The first Ponce might know of it is when the notice gets placed out side the property. I think it needs more aggression in terms of securing Ponces lawful position.

To do that it's best to have a target. Someone on their side that can be targeted and made an example of. A demonstration of the force of what Ponce has done. Perhaps this fishing for answers will actually turn someone up.

The thing about the paperwork they send out, letters and responses etc is to read between the lines. It's what they don't say thats important. The answers they don't give by way of ignoring the questions or making excuse. The city attorney clearly used an out so they did not have to respond. The reason is because they need to rebut but can't.

Maybe it wont be a big deal after all and after a bunch of threats, give us the money or we'll take your stuff they will leave him alone.
Rebut?
Why would the city attorney rebut anything?
Its clear you Glass arent versed in the law.

To accomplish anything with all levels of government you need to prove the government has committed a "tort" against you.
Ponce isnt going to get his land patent to hold any government employee accountable until Ponce knows how the law works for him.

Ponce's only avenue is prove hes trying to attain the political status of the "People" and not that of a jurisdictional "US citizen". That task is going to prove Ponces right to attain the status of the "People" is to prove the government is not allowing him to attain certain Rights that only the "People" have.

So far none of you here have armed Ponce with any law/s he needs to understand to fight this.

Heres such a law Ponce needs to understand.

42usc 1983
Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress, except that in any action brought against a judicial officer for an act or omission taken in such officer’s judicial capacity, injunctive relief shall not be granted unless a declaratory decree was violated or declaratory relief was unavailable. For the purposes of this section, any Act of Congress applicable exclusively to the District of Columbia shall be considered to be a statute of the District of Columbia.

I also suggest 42usc 1982

All citizens of the United States shall have the same right, in every State and Territory, as is enjoyed by white citizens thereof to inherit, purchase, lease, sell, hold, and convey real and personal property.