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chad
1st November 2012, 09:42 AM
just listening to a local call in am radio show, it's all about the elction of course. head of the local dnc called in and was advocating lowering the voting age to 16. he referenced this article on bloomberg:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-01/argentina-lowers-voting-age-as-fernandez-tries-to-regain-footing.html

both the hosts (one very liberal and one semi-liberal) thought it was a great idea worth exploring since "the youth are our future" or some such claptrap to that effect. i guess this is the new strategy next time around.

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Argentine lawmakers approved a bill lowering the country’s voting age, a move that could rally youth support as President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner tries to revert a slide in her popularity ahead of congressional elections next year.
The lower house approved the bill in a 131-to-2 vote yesterday, converting Argentina (http://topics.bloomberg.com/argentina/) into one of only a handful of nations where 16-year-olds can vote. The government-backed bill, which passed the Senate in early October, allows young people to cast ballots two years before voting becomes mandatory at age 18.

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Argentina's President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner. Photographer: Paul J. Richards/AFP/Getty Images



Fernandez has courted young voters since being elected in 2007, naming members of the government-aligned “La Campora” youth group to top positions and tapping funds from the social security agency to provide students with free laptops. Expanding the suffrage may help build support for the government even further as the opposition tries to capitalize on growing frustration with Fernandez’s handling of the economy, political analyst Carlos Fara said.
“The government believes that the more politically active young people will vote for the ruling party,” said Fara, who runs Carlos Fara & Asociados in Buenos Aires (http://topics.bloomberg.com/buenos-aires/).

‘Cristina Forever’

Some of Fernandez’s youth supporters have been calling for a change in the constitution to allow Fernandez to seek a third term in 2015, carrying banners that read “Cristina Forever” at recent rallies. While Fernandez hasn’t said whether she backs such a move, her ruling Victory Front coalition would need to add seats in the mid-term elections to reach a two-thirds majority needed to change the nation’s charter.
“The 2013 elections are very important to install the possibility of changing the law to allow Fernandez to run again,” Fara said.

Fernandez has sidestepped questions about her political future, and says enfranchising young adults expands democratic rights in the same way her government has promoted legislation to allow same-sex marriages (http://topics.bloomberg.com/same--sex-marriages/).
“The Constitution doesn’t allow my re-election as president, so this is beyond what I want. It’s not my responsibility to reform the constitution,” Fernandez said in a Sept. 28 exchange with students at Harvard University (http://topics.bloomberg.com/harvard-university/) in Cambridge, Mass. “It doesn’t depend on me.”

Fernandez’s approval rating, which surged in Oct. 2010 after her husband and predecessor Nestor Kirchner died of a heart attack, fell to 24.3 percent in September, the lowest level since a months-long farmers’ strike in 2008, according to Buenos Aires-based polling company Management & Fit.

Protests

On Sept. 13, thousands of Argentines poured into the streets throughout the country banging pots and chanting anti- government slogans against Fernandez’s ban on buying dollars and her failure to combat a rise in crime and inflation (http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/ARCPIYOY:IND) that economists say exceeds 20 percent. It was the biggest national protest since the farm crisis, with several protesters carrying banners opposing any move to reform the constitution.

Argentina’s gross domestic product was flat in the second quarter, the first time the economy didn’t expand since the third quarter of 2009. Industrial production has contracted every month since April, while automakers cut exports by 28.4 percent in the first nine months of the year.

Fernandez’s spokesman Alfredo Scoccimarro didn’t return a phone call and e-mail seeking comment

midnight rambler
1st November 2012, 09:44 AM
That's a great idea.

NOT!

chad
1st November 2012, 09:50 AM
i don't have a link to it, but iu was reading on huffpo the other day about this huge movement that is going on to let fellons vote. apparently it's gaining traction in a a lot of states.

Libertytree
1st November 2012, 10:05 AM
Felons voting? Happens all the time, oh...but they're called politicians in polite circles.

iOWNme
1st November 2012, 10:13 AM
'Voting' is a code word for consent to SLAVERY.

Make no mistake about it. The ENTIRE idea behind voting is to give the slaves the ILLUSION that they actually have a say of how their Master treats them. But they can NEVER vote to have no Master at all......

Please show me ANYWHERE ANYTIME in history where 'voting' brought about more freedom and liberty for the individuals of that country. Go ahead and look, I'll wait for a reply..... LOL

What is the definition of insanity again?

midnight rambler
1st November 2012, 10:19 AM
'Voting' is a code word for consent to SLAVERY.

Make no mistake about it. The ENTIRE idea behind voting is to give the slaves the ILLUSION that they actually have a say of how their Master treats them. But they can NEVER vote to have no Master at all......

Please show me ANYWHERE ANYTIME in history where 'voting' brought about more freedom and liberty for the individuals of that country. Go ahead and look, I'll wait for a reply..... LOL

What is the definition of insanity again?

Are you suggesting the insane should be allowed to vote?? ???

Oh wait...never mind.

woodman
1st November 2012, 10:50 AM
Why not just lower the voting age to 5. A five year old knows what they want and by god they'll vote for the jerk who says he'll give it to 'em.

iOWNme
1st November 2012, 04:25 PM
Are you suggesting the insane should be allowed to vote?? ???

Oh wait...never mind.

Yes i am. The 'insane' are no more crazy than the 'sane'.

midnight rambler
1st November 2012, 04:29 PM
Yes i am. The 'insane' are no more crazy than the 'sane'.

You missed my point - if you 'vote' as a 'registered voter' THEN YOU ARE INSANE.

Golden
1st November 2012, 10:03 PM
I'm voting this thread "TTT"


www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjrthOPLAKM

A future gimmer?

woodman
1st November 2012, 10:25 PM
I just had a thought: Since we are considering the possibility and utility of lowering the voting age, maybe we can think in larger, more 'liberal' directions. It is true that the founding fathers fought the British and established our country upon the concept that there should be no taxation without representation. Therefore, since our government 'of the people and by the people' has in effect put a tax upon the unborn by running up trillion dollar deficits and placing a burden of debt upon our unborn grandchildren for services which their grandparents are recipients; Should we not extend voting rights to the unborn who's servitude shall be spent in working off our very same debts? Won't they be suffering for the 'sins of the fathers'?

So I say, why not profer the ballot to those unborn unfortunates who have no voice? We shall need to create a new federal agency to study the voting habits of future constituents and derive a working model of their preferences. This will take billions of tax dollars to generate and will ultimately prove a great boon to our economy by providing needed jobs for those who cannot find work in the present economy. In this manner we can take economic advantage of the future, a kind of derivitive if you catch my drift and provide much needed representation for the temporally disadvantaged youth of tommorow.