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iOWNme
5th November 2012, 06:37 AM
.....The Gun Powder, Treason and Plot.

I see no reason why Gunpowder Treason should ever be forgot.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_Night

k-os
5th November 2012, 07:06 AM
.....The Gun Powder, Treason and Plot.

I see no reason why Gunpowder Treason should ever be forgot.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_Night

From that wiki page, I can't tell what should not be forgot:
a) a failed assassination attempt (anti-Catholic sentiment)
b) an assassination attempt (anti-Protestant sentiment)

Both?

When someone celebrates/observes this holiday, what are they celebrating/observing?

sirgonzo420
5th November 2012, 07:14 AM
From that wiki page, I can't tell what should not be forgot:
a) a failed assassination attempt (anti-Catholic sentiment)
b) an assassination attempt (anti-Protestant sentiment)

Both?

When someone celebrates/observes this holiday, what are they celebrating/observing?

Mayhem and chaos, mainly.

(actually, I think they are celebrating the fact that the plot failed)

Hatha Sunahara
5th November 2012, 09:13 AM
Should I have my doubts about the veracity of this Guy Fawkes gunpowder plot? Could it have been like a modern FBI sting to entrap young stupid muslims by giving them fake bombs and opportunities to set them off so they can arrest someone and make the war on terror look legitimate? If it was real, TPTB must have been really frightened--but I doubt it.


Hatha

MNeagle
5th November 2012, 02:50 PM
http://distilleryimage3.instagram.com/1e77ce80279211e2ad8422000a1fa8e9_7.jpg

MNeagle
5th November 2012, 05:32 PM
Guest Post: 'I' For Inevitable



http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpg (http://gold-silver.us/users/tyler-durden)
Submitted by Tyler Durden (http://gold-silver.us/users/tyler-durden) on
11/05/2012 19:27 -0500





Budget Deficit (http://gold-silver.us/taxonomy_vtn/term/7907)

Guest Post (http://gold-silver.us/taxonomy_vtn/term/238)

Tax Revenue (http://gold-silver.us/taxonomy_vtn/term/8917)





Via Simon Black of Sovereign Man
blog (http://www.sovereignman.com/expat/i-for-inevitable-9390/),

Just over 400-years ago today, a group of 13 conspirators was caught
trying to assassinate King James I of England and blow up the House of
Lords in what became known as the Gunpowder Treason.

If you’ve ever seen the movie V for Vendetta, you know the story. Guy Fawkes
was found underneath the House of Lords with three dozen barrels of gunpowder…
and to this day, his effigy is still burned annually in commemoration of the
event.

Fundamentally, the Gunpowder Treason was about freedom. The
English monarchy at the time was controlling nearly every aspect of the economy
and their subjects’ lives– from what they could wear to how they could
worship.

“Sumptuary laws” which regulated private behavior were
commonplace. Elizabeth I, for example, re-introduced a beard tax on all
facial hair grown in excess of two weeks. She also published long lists,
categorized by social class, dictating precisely what color and type of garment
her subjects were required to wear.

It turns out these sumptuary laws were just an early form of
state-sponsored corporate welfare; the English textile industry had
paid Elizabeth huge sums of money in exchange for royal decrees about knitted
caps and woollen socks.

As a consequence, a great deal of English labor and disposable income
was mis-allocated towards silly garments instead of being put to more productive
uses… and the country was in an almost perpetual state of
stagnation.

Not to mention, English finances deteriorated under Elizabeth. By
1600, state expenditures were 23% greater than tax revenue, which would
be the equivalent of a $550 billion budget deficit in the US today. Not exactly
a trivial figure.

James I, Elizabeth’s successor, continued to spend
extravagantly and in-debt the English economy, often showering taxpayer
funds on a handful of favored nobles.

By the time James’s successor Charles I came to power, the monarchy’s
credit was running so thin that Charles had to force people to loan him
money; those who refused were imprisoned and had their property
confiscated.

Unsurprisingly, civil war broke out in 1642. Charles I was
executed in 1649, and the genocidal dictatorship of Oliver Cromwell dominated
England for the next decade.

When you think about it, this collapse was inevitable. For
decades prior, the entire English economy was under the control of a single
individual who massively indebted the state, impeded growth, and reduced
people’s individual freedoms. Not exactly a recipe for long-term success.

The Gunpowder Treason of November 5, 1605 may have been a failure for
the conspirators, but given enough time, a system so screwed up, so
unsustainable, was destined to collapse on itself.

Curiously, we’re not so different in the west today. We have
our own sumptuary laws, regulating everything from tobacco consumption to what
foods we can/cannot eat. We have our own state-sponsored corporate welfare.
We’re comically indebted.

And just like the English monarchs, we have a tiny elite that controls
absolutely everything about our economy– taxation, regulation, and the supply of
money.

Needless to say, this is also unsustainable. And history
shows that these types of unsustainable systems will always collapse under their
own weight. We’re not so different...




http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-05/guest-post-i-inevitable

Twisted Titan
5th November 2012, 09:04 PM
That is why the most effective means to wage War against The System is to WITHDRAW.

Every person that steps away is a leg that is kicked out from under it.

Being able to sustain yourself put you in a place of control.

Dont fight.....just do not comply and you grind the system to a halt.

iOWNme
6th November 2012, 05:10 AM
That is why the most effective means to wage War against The System is to WITHDRAW.

Every person that steps away is a leg that is kicked out from under it.

Being able to sustain yourself put you in a place of control.

Dont fight.....just do not comply and you grind the system to a halt.


How many people supported Ron Paul?

Do you have any idea what would happen to the IRS and the Fed if all of those people decided to keep what they earn? The ILLUSION of their power would vanish into thin air.