The Great Cycle: Where are we in it....

[BarnkleBob]

Does it early matter who is elected as Presid or Congress? This is certainly a viable question, especially on this day when stalemates, corruption, & insanity seemingly rule not only politics but even society... But why?.... To understand we must understand the role of "creative destruction," an economic term which means technical advancement.... Wood hulled sailing ships traveled the high seas for centuries if not millennia, and around this industry there were suppliers of special trees cut for masts, woodcutters, specialized blacksmiths, cotton growers for sails, hemp growers for ropes, spinners & sewers, etc., etc. etc. All working together as a combination, all representing a special and diverse group that was reliant upon this industry to provide employment, wealth & capital accumulation. Sometime around 1839 - 1849 steel hulled ship technology had advanced, this technology had begun somewhere around 1771 when major steel parts began replacing wood to strengthen the ships hulls... As innovation and new metallurgy techniques developed, the wood hulled ships gave way to the new steel hulled models.... And soon thereafter steam technology delivered the final blow to the wood masted sailing ships that had served for hundreds & thousands of years... The new steam powered vessels were no longer reliant upon the winds to carry them, delivery schedules could now be organized in a timely manner, full utilization of the ship could also be employed as winds were no longer a MAJOR factor in the delivery of goods & passengers.... The above example is "creative destruction." Steel hulled steam ships replacing wood hulled sailing ships.... Next consider the "horse & buggy" era, animals had provided transportation since the beginning, as technology advanced so to did the wagons & buggies, entire industries grew up around the horse & mule..... This industry was felled to creative destructive when inanimate energy was introduced, namely the internal combustion engine was invented and the invention of the automobile arrived shortly thereafter.... The horse & buggy became obsolete, and were also destroyed by creative destruction.... I could go on with other examples of the
steam locomotive & steam powered factories but you should get the idea I am conveying.... All of the obsoleted industries are ALWAYS followed by certain patterns of socio-economic, socio-political behavior by the vested interests, whether it is labor or capital, all progress begins slowly and is
Fully developed over a long period..... And once it is introduced it destroys the previous technology in toto..... History is replete with many of these periods and the after math.... Let's consider a political view... The Governments were once reliant upon wood hulled sailing ships for their navies.... Special economic-political relationships were forged between the builders of wooden ships, their suppliers & government authorities for decades & even centuries.... When steel hulled steam ships began appearing, these vested interests didn't go down without a fight, they began corrupting the economic system they once almost dominated.... Always seeking to delay the transition process one more year or longer, with threats of unemployment, financial collapse, political chaos, etc.... Today we call it "kicking the can down the road." The political process always ends in a stalemate during these periods as they allow capitalism to battle it out..... Sounds like today doesn't it? History reveals that at each of these technological advancement "turning points" there are social & political declines, there was one that began prior to the signing of the Declaration of Independence, the American War between the States, WWI, the Great Depression, etc..... (WWII is not included, as it was merely a continuation of a delayed WWI). Today technology is moving at a very, very rapid speed... For instance, an entrepreneur with an idea raises capital to begin building his product... Before he is capable of producing his product, the product is already obsolete due to rapid innovation, development & discovery.... This is creating much chaos for the investment community, and not only investment but political interests as well.... Capital isn't really hiding.... Capital has nowhere to go during the transition, which means tax receipts decline, thus putting additional pressures on political authorities.... Seems to me that the 600 yr. olde economic & legal systems themselves have become obsolete, the natural economic cycle began reorganizing post the "crash of 29" but was hijacked by special interests supporting FDR.... FDR policies distorted the economic system when he tried to appease the entrenched interests, labor & the technocratic progressives.... Said policies have delayed the inevitable economic, financial, social & political reorganization to reflect the ever changing rapidly deployed new technologies.... IOW, our daily lives are in turmoil because there are factions fighting to curtail/delay reorganization, which means they will lose some or all control or authority to new forms of organization (supra).... For these reasons, the reorganization is slowly progressing, yet the FDR model isn't applicable this time, as the pressures for reorganization are much to great.... The Bretton-Woods accord was an attempt to quasi reorganize the global economic system, to appease all post WWII, it did not work, and will not properly operate when the economic system is NOT properly organized... They attempted to install an improper quasi gold standard modeled after an improperly organized economic system.... It was an inevitable failure from the onset.... Today we have pure fiat money.... Which is just another symptom of the improperly organized system sponsored by entrenched interests.... Same can be said for the creation of the Euro.... A delay tactic.... REORGANIZATION of western civilization is now in progress, and no one can stop it.... This is a short synopsis of what I believe is now in progress, there is much more to it though, there is nothing simple about it, as "simplicity is very, very complex." Gold & Silver remain today in our so-called modern world for periods such as these, and always will.... As reorganization/transition periods can be either positive or negative for political, economic, or social participants & actors.... Personally, I think the reorganization will create THE GREATEST BULL MARKET powering western civilization into the greatest period of prosperity ever known to mankind.... But like birthing a baby, the contractions are painful, but in the end, the pain will produce a healthy new baby.... JMO BB










period and then it rapidly dominates & destroys the formed in toto...

[BarnkleBob]

Also keep in mind, totalitarian governments exist when the vested interests refuse to reorganize.... They employ corruption, influence & manipulations to prevent their loss of control from the end of a gun.... Look at how long MAO prevented the modernization of China.... But in the end, when at Chinas darkest hours, authorities were forced to accept the inevitable change of reorganization.... Yet they too are engaged in what is now an improperly organized economic, social & political system.... But the change for them, no matter how slow is well underway now! There are natural laws and natural cycles.... That govern human behavior relative to their environment.... This is why Central Planning ALWAYS implodes, it has been attempted over & over, it always terminates the same way.... Back to FREEDOM of choice!

[mamboni]

Welcome aboard Barnacle.

[Neuro]

I wonder what the transition is too, no doubt you may be correct in that the transition is from stale legal and economic systems, that doesn't have bearing in today's world, what is the next better thing that will replace it? That will usher in the next bull market after the transition? Or is it more likely, that what we see today is the last gasps of western civilization, and that we will have a collapse similar to what the Roman Empire went through 1600 years ago, and what Greek, Egyptian, Persian and Chinese empire's went through earlier? Simply that the weight off corruption became to great, the civilization collapsed, and a long, long period of turmoil happened until a new organization started after rediscovery of moral leadership and higher moral goals within society.

I mean when the collapse of the wood hulled boat industry happened, everyone already knew what the next big thing would be, steel hulled boats...

[BarnkleBob]

The rise of SKYNET.... For thousands of years, man relied on his labor & the labor of animals to subsidize his existence, but that began changing when the agricultural revolution began 1725.... Legumes and the 4 gang plow were introduced. Legumes replaced nitrogen in the soil and also provided surplus feed for farm animals, plow technology aided time efficiency and enhanced productivity.... This period was followed by the Sepsis revolution around 1750.... Sanitation & advanced medicine was installed to prevent communicable diseases which allowed cities to expand. This paved the way for the Industrial Revolution to begin (1775). Factories employing inanimate energy (steam) began to allow mass production.... The skilled craftsman of the past were being obsoleted by unskilled labor..... the rest is our contemporary history.... With the advancement of machines and their energy sources, happy problems began to emerge, happy for consumers, sad for the industrialists.... The industrialists realized that mass production actually devalued capital investment.... The olde craftsman may for instance be employed to create 5 widgets per year at a cost of $2500 each, a high price created due to supply v demand, now machines could turn out 5000 widgets a yr.... At a much lower cost/price per unit..... And a much lower profit too..... This was the reason Marx wrote his economic plan in his manifesto.... He was attempting to regulate supply and demand via a regulated economy that served both the producer, labor and the consumer.... He realized that labor was the consumer, same as Henry Ford... Etc. A new economic problem was emerging, the same problem exists today, even if it is well suppressed..... In the beginning, for INSTANCE, it required 2 persons engaged in labor to keep one machine operating.... So mathematically we could express this mathematically with 3 as the common denominator (2 labor, 1 machine), or 2 over 3= 2/3 or a 66% profit for the producer, not bad.... Now let's look at what occurs when efficiency of the machine & productivity of labor increases. In this example their will be illustrated 2 machines & 2 labor.... The common denominator is 4, and is expressed as 2/4, for a profit of 50%, still not a bad return on investment.... Next technology advances and now the 2 labors can productively manage the output of 6 machines, the common denominator here is 8, expressed as 2/8, which creates a 25% profit, a major problem is now arising as the productivity of labor & machine increases.... Next let's say productivity doubles, there are 2 labors operating what in the past would be the equivalent of 16 machines.... Common denominator is 18, or 2/18, profit now declines to 9%..... And what's even worse is that the greater the efficiency of labor & machines become, the less machines are dependent upon labor.... And LABOR is the ultimate consumer of the production that machines produce.... Production & manufacturing efficiency is strangling the ability of labor to consume the production. Debt was and is being employed to enable the mass consumption of production, debt is subsidizing production! Fabian socialism is also employed to subsidize this anomaly..... As the example above is very, very deflationary to the means of production & investment capital.... Central Banks were installed to provide a slow INFLATION to subsidize production & investment profits, Government regulations & laws were also installed by the vested interests to control production & it's deflationary effects.... Derivatives were invented to covertly control prices from financial deflation, etc., etc., etc..... Indeed economic, financial & political reforms & reorganization are required.... The 600 yr olde system is completely obsolete, as this system was based upon sailing ships, horses & buggies, and skilled craftsman to CUSTOM produce goods and services..... All of the olde ways are long gone.... Except the economic organization from that era..... the Very system itself is fighting the change.... But it's coming not by choice, but by force..... IMO BB

[Neuro]

Ok so the very way we organize things economically and politically is wrong.

And it needs to collapse.

Currently there is nothing we can replace it with as it collapses. It is a complete collapse of economic and political power, there is no next system, that is there to replace the banksters, at a moments notice. Only individuals out of most are totally dependent and ignorant on the system they were brought up within, and they will die with the system.

If a golden era, a bull market is coming after this collapse, I doubt we will see it in our lifetime, if you survive expect to struggle the rest of your life. Hopefully the end result will be a different humanity, that doesn't need any type of overlords, where people are able to survive on their own, co-operate voluntarily for greater good, and can utilize and develop technology, which makes our lives materially fulfilled with not too much menial labor, and the rest of the time could be spent socializing, sharing experiences to increase quality and quantity of life, philosophizing over the meaning of life, and LOVE!

[BarnkleBob]

I wonder what the transition is too, no doubt you may be correct in that the transition is from stale legal and economic systems, that doesn't have bearing in today's world, what is the next better thing that will replace it? That will usher in the next bull market after the transition? Or is it more likely, that what we see today is the last gasps of western civilization, and that we will have a collapse similar to what the Roman Empire went through 1600 years ago, and what Greek, Egyptian, Persian and Chinese empire's went through earlier? Simply that the weight off corruption became to great, the civilization collapsed, and a long, long period of turmoil happened until a new organization started after rediscovery of moral leadership and higher moral goals within society.

I mean when the collapse of the wood hulled boat industry happened, everyone already knew what the next big thing would be, steel hulled boats...

Indeed, your concerns are very fitting..... Western Civilization has been reorganized at least 4 times in the past.... The ability to reorganize sets the West apart from all previous civilizations which had previously collapsed under the stress of reorganizing.... In fact I believe WWI & WWII were unconscious efforts to reorganize the 600 yr olde Anglo system.... These efforts were circumvented by Anglo-American interference to uphold the status quo.... Chapters 1 & 2 of
Tragedy & Hope offer a unique perspective.... Namely Quigley documents that EVERY civilization that has fallen in history was the results of the emergence of a UNIVERSAL EMPIRE that dominated as a all encompassing protectorate state.... He also WARNS and provides data suggesting that the United States could emerge as a universal empire.... If the U.S. Is the universal empire, then western civ would collapse as all others have.... BUT if it isn't the civilization will reorganize and go onto further prosperity and rising standards of living. I somewhat disagree with Quigleys assumptions, as I believe that England is the universal empire and the U.S. Is a vassal state of the Anglo-American sphere.... I could be wrong! I think the one really great thing that western civ has always presented is technological MOMENTUM.... And it appears that this prowess has always saved the west from universal empires that would prevent reorganization.... IOW technologies rapid advancement has always prevented the complete establishment of a western universal empire..... I'm hoping that the same holds true now & into the future.... If the west were to ACTUALLY collapse.... I fear it will begin a new dark ages.... Another noteworthy observation was the recent collapse of the Orthodox civilization which was represented by the U.S.S.R. With Russia serving as that civilizations universal empire. The U.S.S.R./Russia collapsed for failure to reorganize it's social, political & economic systems, in their case it was the failure of distributions of goods and services, a fully managed means of production lacking supply & demand fundamentals, and monopolized political powers held by an out of touch elite.... Sound Familiar? Absolute control requires absolute corruption which results in absolute chaos, hence a house divided cannot stand, and so the USSR disintegrated into the dust bin of history.... It is interesting to watch Putin ATTEMPT to reorganize expost facto... Yet history suggests it is all in vain.... It's a last gasp effort on his part.... we certainly do live in interesting times.... BB

[DMac]

I have not yet bought/read Quigley's T&H. I suppose it's time to move it up in the reading list.

[Horn]

Not sure it happened in the past so much, but today those same wood hull builders are making sure that they are also the steel hull builders. With control and transition help provided from the same source they draw their current gains, the peoples government/back with taxes.

This transition is an energy/material based as the last one was, across the boards.

[BarnkleBob]

I think you can prolly Goggle it online, at least the first couple of chapters.... BB

[Dogman]

I think you can prolly Goggle it online, at least the first couple of chapters.... BB




Here you go, pick your format on the left and download!

http://archive.org/details/TragedyAndHope

[sirgonzo420]

Here you go, pick your format on the left and download!

http://archive.org/details/TragedyAndHope

archive.org is one of the best sites on the internet.

Tragedy and Hope occupies a (considerably sized) spot on my bookshelf as well.

It is an interesting read... Quigley wasn't a dummy.

[BarnkleBob]

I have read Tragedy & Hope 5 times cover to cover.... It's so in-depth.... And very e-z to miss or overlook important data.... Today I use the book as a reference guide comparing events today with events from the past.... Current events certainly rhyme with the past.... Names are different, but most everything else is the same.... Changing the names of policies into new ones, etc..... The Phoenix hasn't flown yet, but the Ouroboros still eats his tail!

[sirgonzo420]

I have read Tragedy & Hope 5 times cover to cover.... It's so in-depth.... And very e-z to miss or overlook important data.... Today I use the book as a reference guide comparing events today with events from the past.... Current events certainly rhyme with the past.... Names are different, but most everything else is the same.... Changing the names of policies into new ones, etc..... The Phoenix hasn't flown yet, but the Ouroboros still eats his tail!

I have not read it all the way through more than once, but perhaps I'll give it another read soon, as I have no doubt forgotten more details from it than I remember.

History may not repeat, but as you point out, it certainly does rhyme, and the reason why, in part, is because the puppetmasters use the same script(s)!

[BarnkleBob]

Seems to me that the puppet masters script goes all the way back to Babylon.... The current 600 yr olde system is just a hybrid of the original.... Now it gets interesting when they attempt to use an original and updated script from the time of chariots & spears and use it in a period of M1 Abrams tanks, F16's, Internet & satelite communications.... LOL .... The script is obsolete, yet they continue attempting to incorporate the olde script with a newer quasi script, but there is no credible or believable means of doing so.... Each attempt to revive the script ends in further destruction of it.... The olde age is gone.... The new age is here...... And the new age means that the remnants of the previous age must be discarded & destroyed, voluntarilly or by the forces of nature.... This is the period of transition and chaos from a esoteric meta-physical view point.... The political, religious, & economic will be reorganized for the new age.... Babylon will fall, Rome will fall, Jerusalem will fall..... Not the geographic areas, but the ideas derived from these locations that emanated & dominated the world during the previous age of Pisces..... The woman is travailing, carrying the new born age with her, she is giving birth now.... As evidenced by the contractions and there pains.... Collapse is just a new beginning, a precursor to change..... JMO

[Santa]

BB, quality posts as usual. You're the one that presented Carol Quigley's, "Tragedy and Hope" to me several years ago, among others. Thank you so much. It's been a huge benefit of discovery toward my understanding of the geopolitical power structure today.

I have one big problem with looking at the past to determine the course of the future, though.

Basically, we don't have one.

What I mean by that is there's no precedent that comes close to what we are and will be experiencing in the very near future.
I'm sure you're familiar with the term "Singularity," as caused by the exponential growth of technology. But not just technology. The exponential expansion of information. Of knowledge. Of mass creation. Of every cognitive aspect of humanity. And of course I don't know what that means in a universal sense.

Throughout history, Man has always been the driver of the destiny of technology, or has been able to maintain control over it. But I really think that day is done. Technology now controls the destiny of all mankind.

Your allusion to SkyNet is apropos.

I think a literal biological/metaphysical evolution is upon us. Within two generations tops.
We face a total destruction back down to our pure animal nature. Another Great Flood, so to speak.
Or,... we evolve into something else. Some sort of biological memory chip or perhaps merge into a universal energy field, or something like that. Simply because humans do not currently have the biological and chemical capability to keep up.

The Internet is either the initial storage devise for a virtual artificial human archive, or our ultimate collective delusion.

It appears that what we have often attributed to God, our collective Mind, is being superseded by an artificial one. The Internet and SkyNet. Or at least that is and has been the objective, anyway.

I think of it as the final expression of Lucifer, or the Luciferian goal. The total and final destruction of humanity and possibly even planet Earth.

At least in the Material sense.

Anyway, I'm glad you showed up with such appropriate and heady subject matter. Perfect timing. ;D

[Horn]

Santa your choice is like between 2 lumps of coal.

I want a new Personal computer that processes with the Ebola virus.

[Santa]

Santa your choice is like between 2 lumps of coal.

I want a new Personal computer that processes with the Ebola virus.

Yeah, I know. Kinda bleak. I could use a fairy Princess to dazzle me with a vision of a beautiful future. No, not you Horn. :p

It's the Vision We Lack. Where's the VISION?

We Wake into darkness, and so fall back asleep again. And again.

[BarnkleBob]

INRI Igne Natura Renovatur Integra Latin: All Nature Will Be Renewed By Fire; alchemists'/alchemical aphorism .... The Great Flood is an allegory representing the purification of spirit via the spiritual waters.... While INRI, i.e. Fire represents the cyclical purification and rejuvenation/renewal process of nature.... The Demiurgos (Samael/Sama) has created a simulated reality that will be destroyed by the Phoenix using fire.... An allegory too..... In other words, the simulation will fall to the truth, the lies will be destroyed and the pure spirit will emerge.... The garden of paradise will once again be available without impediments to those that seek it.... The Archons will find Daath and meet their final fate as the simulation is destroyed.... Very esoteric, very ancient!

[Neuro]

INRI Igne Natura Renovatur Integra Latin: All Nature Will Be Renewed By Fire; alchemists'/alchemical aphorism .... The Great Flood is an allegory representing the purification of spirit via the spiritual waters.... While INRI, i.e. Fire represents the cyclical purification and rejuvenation/renewal process of nature.... The Demiurgos (Samael/Sama) has created a simulated reality that will be destroyed by the Phoenix using fire.... An allegory too..... In other words, the simulation will fall to the truth, the lies will be destroyed and the pure spirit will emerge.... The garden of paradise will once again be available without impediments to those that seek it.... The Archons will find Daath and meet their final fate as the simulation is destroyed.... Very esoteric, very ancient!
I do think that the survivors of the coming collapse, will represent a different than the average breed of humanity we have today, no belief in authority, no naivety/stupidity, strong willed, independent minded, no parasitism, level headed. Maybe 95% of earths population will die, but the world repopulating with the survivors may make it paradise.

[hoarder]

I do think that the survivors of the coming collapse, will represent a different than the average breed of humanity we have today, no belief in authority, no naivety/stupidity, strong willed, independent minded, no parasitism, level headed. Maybe 95% of earths population will die, but the world repopulating with the survivors may make it paradise.You left out Khazar ancestry.

[Neuro]

You left out Khazar ancestry.
I said no parasitism. Parasites won't survive, when there are no hosts.

[Horn]

Where's the VISION?

locked in underground bunkers near to Oak Ridge, Tennessee.

[Santa]

SkyNet....


Isaiah 14: 12-14: “How art thou fallen from heaven , O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High”.

[hoarder]

I said no parasitism. Parasites won't survive, when there are no hosts.If the parasite kills off his host, he either stops being a parasite of he dies. I doubt they would kill off all the hosts, but if they did, I think they could adapt to exist without them.

[sirgonzo420]

If the parasite kills off his host, he either stops being a parasite of he dies. I doubt they would kill off all the hosts, but if they did, I think they could adapt to exist without them.

They would feed off of their own.

The High Priests would rule, and the worker-class would bring in the crops and take out the trash.

As a magnet always has a north and south pole, even if you break it, so will "top" and "bottom" always exist as a "complimentary" duality.

[Neuro]

If the parasite kills off his host, he either stops being a parasite of he dies. I doubt they would kill off all the hosts, but if they did, I think they could adapt to exist without them.
Things may get out of their control, if they adapt to live without host, they deserve to live...

[sirgonzo420]

SkyNet....

You're one to talk, Kris Kringle...

"he sees you when you're sleeping... he knows when you're awake... he knows if you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake..."

[Santa]

You're one to talk, Kris Kringle...

"he sees you when you're sleeping... he knows when you're awake... he knows if you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake..."

LOL... In my best WC Fields voice, "Well, of course, my boy.... Who would know a sinner more than a saint? Who would know the coming of dawns light more than Santy Claus?
I don't fly snockered on nog for nothin, you know."

I'll tell you what though. I have a growing respect for ancient allegories, myths and prophesies. And BB's reminder of the nature of cyclical nature is profound. To me anyway.

Skynet will be destroyed because it's unnatural and untenable. It's taken aeons for the completion of this machination. The rebirth of Lucifer by his children. But it will fall from its
position above the clouds. Just as it did before. And once again, we will lose our universal language and begin again in the garden. WORD! Haha...

[sirgonzo420]

LOL... In my best WC Fields voice, "Well, of course, my boy.... Who would know a sinner more than a saint? Who would know the coming of dawns light more than Santy Claus?
I don't fly snockered on nog for nothin, you know."

I'll tell you what though. I have a growing respect for ancient allegories, myths and prophesies. And BB's reminder of the nature of cyclical nature is profound. To me anyway.

Skynet will be destroyed because it's unnatural and untenable. It's taken aeons for the completion of this machination. The rebirth of Lucifer by his children. But it will fall from its
position above the clouds. Just as it did before. And once again, we will lose our universal language and begin again in the garden. WORD! Haha...

Fuckin' poetry, the Universe, as it is.

[BarnkleBob]

@Santa.... Lucifer of Cagliari: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09410b.htm a.k.a. LUCIFER CALARITANUS was a Catholic Bishop who challenged the Mother Church.... He and his Luciferians believed that scripture should be interpreted symbolically and allegorically, while the church demanded literal interpretations... This led to Lucifer and his followers excommunication from the Church.... He would later become "the fallen star" in Isaiah as a punishment for his revolt against the church, replacing the original esoteric Kabalistic Adam Cadmon (the primeval man) as the fallen star. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kadmon The above link provided for Bishop Lucifer of Cagliari is a starting point into the Lucifer/Adam Kadmon/Falling star research.....

[BarnkleBob]

Fuckin' poetry, the Universe, as it is.

@sirgonzo420 ..... You may or may not know how close you really are..... The olde biblical prophets were actually the poets of their time.... The olde testament is filled with ancient poetry that symbolically tells the stories of social, economic and political struggles ....

[Horn]

I guess I'm at that point Jonahs was, have been for the past 5 years.

Nobody wants to wear the sackclothe I offer them though...

[Carl]

I don't know BB, seems to me the lead in to this thread is a little misleading in that we're not going through a cycle of creative destruction, there are no new epic technologies on the cusps of replacing the old, no new paradigm shifting industries bringing us a new and better ways to live our lives. There's nothing standing in the wings that could possibly qualify as creative to the politically motivated totalitarian social deconstruction in which we are embroiled.

Just my $0.02

[Santa]

@Santa.... Lucifer of Cagliari: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09410b.htm a.k.a. LUCIFER CALARITANUS was a Catholic Bishop who challenged the Mother Church.... He and his Luciferians believed that scripture should be interpreted symbolically and allegorically, while the church demanded literal interpretations... This led to Lucifer and his followers excommunication from the Church.... He would later become "the fallen star" in Isaiah as a punishment for his revolt against the church, replacing the original esoteric Kabalistic Adam Cadmon (the primeval man) as the fallen star. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kadmon The above link provided for Bishop Lucifer of Cagliari is a starting point into the Lucifer/Adam Kadmon/Falling star research.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U23gC5WI-CM

[vacuum]

INRI Igne Natura Renovatur Integra Latin: All Nature Will Be Renewed By Fire; alchemists'/alchemical aphorism .... The Great Flood is an allegory representing the purification of spirit via the spiritual waters.... While INRI, i.e. Fire represents the cyclical purification and rejuvenation/renewal process of nature.... The Demiurgos (Samael/Sama) has created a simulated reality that will be destroyed by the Phoenix using fire.... An allegory too..... In other words, the simulation will fall to the truth, the lies will be destroyed and the pure spirit will emerge.... The garden of paradise will once again be available without impediments to those that seek it.... The Archons will find Daath and meet their final fate as the simulation is destroyed.... Very esoteric, very ancient!

There was a good documentary along these lines I posted about a year ago, called "The Great Year". That was Plato's name for the precession of the equinox. Unfortunately, it looks like the video was taken down:
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?56481-The-Great-Year

Here's the same video below. It's worth watching, though perhaps you already know all the material in it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPIAOrNnhhA

[Neuro]

I don't know BB, seems to me the lead in to this thread is a little misleading in that we're not going through a cycle of creative destruction, there are no new epic technologies on the cusps of replacing the old, no new paradigm shifting industries bringing us a new and better ways to live our lives. There's nothing standing in the wings that could possibly qualify as creative to the politically motivated totalitarian social deconstruction in which we are embroiled.

Just my $0.02
One could argue that every destruction is creative, we just don't know how it is going to pan out, new race of man, or total destruction of mankind leaving room for a better species to develop without our murdering competition, or maybe this time we just figure out how to sap the universe for endless energy, after burning the Middle East to ground...

[BarnkleBob]

@Carl... i.e. Creative destruction..... Watch Skynet in action.... Labor is becoming obsolete, highly suggest watching the 3 minute vid... Absolutely amazing!

http://www.hizook.com/blog/2009/08/03/high-speed-robot-hand-demonstrates-dexterity-and-skillful-manipulation

[Santa]

Everyone contributing to the building of Skynet, (that's us) should be paid for our mental contributions.
Every thought we have and then type into the Net, and every photo we upload onto a site should be be considered
intellectual labor.
We're being used like chattel,... and rather than being paid for it, we pay our lords and masters for the privilege of expending our time and energy.
Not long ago, hack writers were paid by the word.

I think $.50 a word with monthly inflation adjustments would be fair, don't you?

And perhaps emotional writing should be worth more to Skynet than intellectual writing because it's a more direct feed
into the psyche of humanity. Skynet will need that information in order to maintain absolute control before the great assimilation process is complete.

[Horn]

I think $.50 a word with monthly inflation adjustments would be fair, don't you?

30 pieces of silver.

[mick silver]

what the name of the movie that have a skynet and it at one time it rule the world ? and the people left try to fight to stop it . i would say if were seeing vids like this our goverment has done made stuff to controll us all and we just have not seen it yet . only time will tell

[Santa]

"Terminator," starring Ahnold ShwartZionator. :)

[BarnkleBob]

Check out this video on YouTube: hopefully it embeds....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KxjVlaLBmk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Horn]

"Terminator," starring Ahnold ShwartZionator. :)

Which hand of God are you speaking of when bringing down Skynet, Right, Left, or hidden?

[vacuum]

Check out this video on YouTube: hopefully it embeds....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KxjVlaLBmk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Simply place it inside of [ video][/video]tags (with no spaces), and make sure it's not https and it should work.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KxjVlaLBmk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Horn]

Replacement parts for machine, design and implementation equals the same if not more people.

The only thing that's possible is generating greater output, which isn't a requirement in a deflated/depopulated world. Its like computers themselves generating more paper use and hardware.

Energy is the next future, along with alternative cycle materials. These of course are tangible items that can be regulated.

[mick silver]

and yet again this all leads back to there way to many fucking people in the world that they dont need .

[Horn]

and yet again this all leads back to there way to many fucking people in the world that they dont need .

Reflective in the negative interest rates currently available.

When they need more they'll raise it, along with a new "slower" leech form of currency.

[Santa]

and yet again this all leads back to there way to many fucking people in the world that they dont need .

And this is why the rush to reduce the many into a single global virtual consciousness of collective bliss.

[Horn]

And this is why the rush to reduce the many into a single global virtual consciousness of collective bliss.

Now I know why INFP types stay away from philosophy as a general rule. :)

[madfranks]

It's the Vision We Lack. Where's the VISION?

We Wake into darkness, and so fall back asleep again. And again.

Let me offer a possible positive future out of all of this. In no other period of human history has the ability to self organize and self direct been more potent than NOW. Here's what I mean. Many generations ago states were run by kings and queens, royal families who directed and managed their lands. Well, a couple hundred years ago as society and technology progressed, that form of rule became obsolete, we didn't need kings and queens to manage us anymore, and the world evolved into representative forms of government, where the individuals had more of a say in the way their communities would be organized than they did before. Where we are now is those representative forms of government have corrupted and mutated into giant leviathan state leeches which are about to kill the host. BUT - we are now in the 21st century and our technology and society has risen beyond that which it was in the late 18th century. In the same way that the idea of kings and queens was made obsolete by society advancing forward, today, the idea of governments managing and regulating society is becoming obsolete. We simply don't need them anymore!!! After the great default comes and governments crash and fall, and after the coming depression ends, those rebuilding upon these ashes will realize that they simply do not need a government to tell them what to do, they will be able to self organize and self determine what needs to get done. The internet and modern communication will be paramount to the next generation's rebuilding efforts. And when the rebuilding is in full swing, the government, if it exists at all, will be of little consequence to those building the next leg up of society.