Foreign sovereign immunity act

[palani]

Received in an email. There is much more. This is just a sample.



When public officials, such as congressman, senators, the president, judges, sheriffs, police, etc. take their Oath of Office they give up their American Citizenship, they become foreign agents in this country; they are illegal aliens without a green card. Therefore, nothing they do has any more authority than a cop form Jamaica would have over you.

Officials are hiding behind the FOREIGN SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY ACT (FSIA).This is validated with Rule 4J of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. All of the officials in this country are acting as a foreign state. They are operating outside of the jurisdiction of these united States.

Anyone doubt that this is the case?

[iOWNme]

Received in an email. There is much more. This is just a sample.




Anyone doubt that this is the case?


I do.

I say that the Cop in Jamaica has the exact same 'authority' over me that some De Jure Americana honest Judge has over me.......NONE.

Now, they might have men with guns who are under mind control who believe in this superstition, but that doesnt make it anymore 'real' than SANTA CLAUSE.

No man is beholdent to another man. I thought 'All men were created equal' ?

[Hatha Sunahara]

They are foreign agents when they are acting in the capacity of their offices? Or are they foreign agents when off duty as well?

I doubt that any of them agree that they have no authority over us. Is there some practical use for this information?


Hatha

[iOWNme]

I doubt that any of them agree that they have no authority over us.
Hatha

Do you agree that they have 'authority' over you? If a criminal was robbing you, do you think he would 'agree' that he shouldnt rob you?

Can a man delegate a Right he doesnt have?


'Foreign Sovereign Immunity'...LOL

Can a man exempt himself from Morals through the mythical ceremony of 'Legislation'? What if there is many of them? What of they have nice penmanship? What if you actually agree with them, does that somehow change morals?

[palani]

Is there some practical use for this information?


Hatha

Remedy doesn't generally pop out of the underbrush and grab you by the lapels until you accept it. A little mental lubrication is required to find a remedy.


When the Sheriff’s Deputy comes to your house to serve papers on you, you will find that your name is written in all CAPITALLETTERS, which means they are going after a CORPORATION, and they have to serve the chief executive officer of that corporation, which is not you. If your all-capital letter name is a corporation it means that the corporation has to be registered with a Secretary of State in one of the States and there has to be a Registered Agent of record but, there is none, and your name as a corporation is not registered anywhere. So; therefore, service is insufficient because it was not served on the corporation’s registered agent of record. They have failed to provide the authenticity of that name.

When the Sheriff’s Deputy comes to your house to serve papers on you, you will find that your name is written in all CAPITALLETTERS, which means they are going after a CORPORATION, and they have to serve the chief executive officer of that corporation, which is not you. If your all-capital letter name is a corporation it means that the corporation has to be registered with a Secretary of State in one of the States and there has to be a Registered Agent of record but, there is none, and your name as a corporation is not registered anywhere. So; therefore, service is insufficient because it was not served on the corporation’s registered agent of record. They have failed to provide the authenticity of that name.

[palani]

I do.

I don't detect any difference between what you wrote and what the author of this piece is saying. What I do detect is that he MIGHT be able to craft a remedy while you are going to get your ass shot off by bringing bad attitude to the table.

[iOWNme]

I don't detect any difference between what you wrote and what the author of this piece is saying. What I do detect is that he MIGHT be able to craft a remedy while you are going to get your ass shot off by bringing bad attitude to the table.


You crack me up. LOL

The author is stating that there is a difference between foreign and local. And i disagreed with an example, and now i have the bad attitude. Why do i care if the CRIMINAL who is robbing me comes from my own town, or from a far away land?

I have a bad attitude because I OWN MYSELF? Please explain.

Craft a rememdy? WTF? What is the 'remedy' for a bunch of criminals trying to rob me through a magical superstition called 'authority'?

And finally you get to the VIOLENCE that YOU CONDONE by worshipping a God called 'Authority'. Who is going to shoot me Palani?

Palani - Why do you think researching Satan's Laws is going to help you out in any way?

[palani]

The author is stating that there is a difference between foreign and local. And i disagreed with an example, and now i have the bad attitude. Why do i care if the CRIMINAL who is robbing me comes from my own town, or from a far away land?Because you CHOSE the domestic criminal.


I have a bad attitude because I OWN MYSELF? Please explain. If you recognize NO authority then you don't even recognize YOUR OWN authority. You don't operate in a plane of contract. You operate in a plane of tort.


Craft a rememdy? WTF? [COLOR=#ff0000][B]What is the 'remedy' for a bunch of criminals trying to rob me through a magical superstition called 'authority'? I have provided my own remedy and it includes relying upon my own authority to do so. I have no complaint against anyone and prefer to be agreeable rather than confrontational. When you arrive at this place you will know it. Until then try to avoid being shot.


And finally you get to the VIOLENCE that YOU CONDONE by worshipping a God called 'Authority'.Who is going to shoot me Palani? The same entity that you would offer violence to?


Palani - Why do you think researching Satan's Laws is going to help you out in any way? Stumbling around in the dark will put you in places you don't want to be. Knowing rules helps you spot whose backyard you are trespassing on. If you don't believe that education trumps stupid then try stupid for a bit.

[steel_ag]

If you recognize NO authority then you don't even recognize YOUR OWN authority. You don't operate in a plane of contract. You operate in a plane of tort.

Is elucidation of these sentences possible? My comprehension on this one isn't 100%. Are you saying if you don't operate in a "plane of contract" you are operating in a "plane of tort"? Trying to wrap my head around ...

[palani]

Is elucidation of these sentences possible? My comprehension on this one isn't 100%. Are you saying if you don't operate in a "plane of contract" you are operating in a "plane of tort"? Trying to wrap my head around ...

The man's user ID is 'sui juris'. That means he has the capacity to contract. What good is the capacity to contract going to do you if you don't even recognize your own authority to engage in a contract.

Actions that do not occur with contract occur by tort. A tort is an injury that occurs without contract.

[iOWNme]

Because you CHOSE the domestic criminal.

If you recognize NO authority then you don't even recognize YOUR OWN authority. You don't operate in a plane of contract. You operate in a plane of tort.

If i own myself and can only control my own actions, then i have NO AUTHORITY. It is called self ownership. 'Authority' is the 'Right to Rule' which i dont have and neither do you. This is the exact same as the myth of 'consent of the Governed'. The moment i consent, the other person/group isnt Governing! this is an oxymoron. A glass of dry water.


I have provided my own remedy and it includes relying upon my own authority to do so. I have no complaint against anyone and prefer to be agreeable rather than confrontational. When you arrive at this place you will know it. Until then try to avoid being shot.

You dont have any 'Authority' because it doesnt exist. You ONLY have the right to control your own actions. Its called self ownership. If you ONLY have control over yourself, then YOU DONT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY. 'Authority' is not just the power to use violence, it is the absolute moral right to do so, which is SATANIC.

Any type of Government you can dream up INSTANTLY becomes criminals the very minute it used this thing called 'Authority'. I dont care if it is Stalin's Russia or Jefferson's America. Using violence against non violent people is WRONG! I have brought this up to you many times, and you just duck this like the plague.


The same entity that you would offer violence to? I dont 'offer' violence. Why are you putting words in my mouth? Unbelievable. I promote the non-aggression principle. I merely stated that YOU believe in this thing called 'Authority' that has a monopoly on violence that YOU CONDONE because you believe in this superstitious myth. The very definition of Government is VIOLENCE, Constitutional or otherwise. You can choose any flavor of it you want, but you are still advocating the use of violence by doing so.


Stumbling around in the dark will put you in places you don't want to be. Knowing rules helps you spot whose backyard you are trespassing on. If you don't believe that education trumps stupid then try stupid for a bit.

Now Im stumbling? Because we disagree? Rules? Who's rules? The Easter Bunny's?

You still never answered any of the questions i posted. Im not sure why i even bother anymore....So in the spirit of keeping this on topic, i will say again that i see the OP differently than you do. Can you please post some info to support your side of this discussion?

[iOWNme]

The man's user ID is 'sui juris'. That means he has the capacity to contract. What good is the capacity to contract going to do you if you don't even recognize your own authority to engage in a contract.

Actions that do not occur with contract occur by tort. A tort is an injury that occurs without contract.

"Authority' doesnt exist. What does exist is my Right to control my own destiny. The Right to run my own life how i see fit, using my own judgement and having to live with the responsibilities of doing so. Many men throughout history have tried to tell other men that they dont have the Right to run their own lives. The group that says they have the Right to rule themselves ALWAYS has violence used against them in the name of the STATE.

Why do you research Satan's Laws as if they have any value in reality? I spent many years doing the same thing, until i realized i was nothing more than the best educated prisoner in the concentration camp. Attorner's, Liar's and Thieves wrote the so called 'Law' and you 'believe' that you can somehow make out some type of moral good from these scribbles on paper. I honestly just do not get it.

Things like Right and Wrong existed LONG BEFORE Government was created. Yet this mythical deity called 'Government' thinks it can alter 'Morality' through its legislative ceremonies and rituals. Well, guess what: IT CANT.

[palani]

'Authority' is the 'Right to Rule' which i dont have
You don't really understand what 'authority' is.

A 'person' is an actor (an agent). Their words and actions are owned by those they represent (the principal) and the owner of those words is the author. The actor is said to act by 'authority'.

When talking of possessions the right to a thing is called dominion. The right of performing an action is authority (an analogy to ownership of a thing). By authority is meant the right of doing any act. Done by authority is done by commission or license from he whose right it is (should that not be you).

A bowel movement is an action. When you perform this act do you do so as an author or as an agent?




You dont have any 'Authority' because it doesnt exist. Should this be the case then you no longer will be permitted to have a bowel movement. Good luck with that!!!



You ONLY have the right to control your own actions. Its called self ownership. It is called 'authority'.



If you ONLY have control over yourself, then YOU DONT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY. 'Authority' is not just the power to use violence, it is the absolute moral right to do so, which is SATANIC. You seem to only wish to concentrate on the actions others may commit that injure yourself. ALL ACTIONS ARE DONE WITH AUTHORITY (even bowel movements).


Any type of Government you can dream up INSTANTLY becomes criminals the very minute it used this thing called 'Authority'. Nope. You might as well call yourself a criminal because you choose to recognize them without question.


I dont care if it is Stalin's Russia or Jefferson's America. Using violence against non violent people is WRONG! I have brought this up to you many times, and you just duck this like the plague. Necessity imports privilege. While these three words appear to be fairly benign the principle means you are on a battlefield and the other party has declared that hunting season has begun with you the game. A turkey would presume that Thanksgiving presents few opportunities to give thanks.


I dont 'offer' violence. Why are you putting words in my mouth? You seem to view all authority as violent. Are you unique in that you will not offer violence in return for violence?


Unbelievable. I promote the non-aggression principle. I merely stated that YOU believe in this thing called 'Authority' that has a monopoly on violence that YOU CONDONE because you believe in this superstitious myth. I use established definitions of authority. You have a distorted view of the same concept.



The very definition of Government is VIOLENCE, Constitutional or otherwise. You can choose any flavor of it you want, but you are still advocating the use of violence by doing so. You make a presumption and act as if it were fact. Good government is necessary to a State. I carefully control my government. I cannot speak to how others control THEIR government.




Now Im stumbling? Because we disagree? Rules? Who's rules? The Easter Bunny's? I am using a metaphor. Think of the concept of being deposited in a strange land where you don't know the rules. You (or I) would stumble around violating the rules of that place until informed. Gradually as the pros and cons of breaking rules or learning new rules becomes apparent and you (or I) become used to the place we have found ourselves in.


You still never answered any of the questions i posted. Im not sure why i even bother anymore....So in the spirit of keeping this on topic, i will say again that i see the OP differently than you do. Can you please post some info to support your side of this discussion? See above.

[iOWNme]

I use established definitions of authority. You have a distorted view of the same concept.

Since you think it is I who has the 'distorted concept' of 'Authority', i think i found a way we can settle this debate:


Please show me any definition of 'Authority',(Legal, Lawful or otherwise), that purports to ONLY pertain to one single person controlling ONLY himself?




Good government is necessary to a State

These are the words of a true STATIST.

[palani]

Please show me any definition of 'Authority',(Legal, Lawful or otherwise), that purports to ONLY pertain to one single person controlling ONLY himself?

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/3207

Read chapter XVI in its entirety. Then read it again. Then sleep on it for several months. Then read it again. Believe it or not it takes a while to soak in. A single person (person being actor) representing himself IS author.


Actor, Author
Authority
Of Persons Artificiall, some have their words and actions Owned
by those whom they represent. And then the Person is the Actor;
and he that owneth his words and actions, is the AUTHOR:
In which case the Actor acteth by Authority. For that which
in speaking of goods and possessions, is called an Owner,
and in latine Dominus, in Greeke Kurios; speaking of Actions,
is called Author. And as the Right of possession, is called
Dominion; so the Right of doing any Action, is called AUTHORITY.
So that by Authority, is alwayes understood a Right of doing any act:
and Done By Authority, done by Commission, or Licence from him
whose right it is.

Should you find yourself in court you will be a person. You will never be permitted to show up as yourself. Your words will be your own in this capacity and you will be said to be 'representing yourself' or 'pro se'. In this case you are the author of your words, you own them but it is your 'person' who speaks them.

Note that I did not invent this system nor do I much like this particular state of affairs but it does explain much of how government has established the degree of mind control that they have.


These are the words of a true STATIST. What is your definition of a 'true STATIST'?
You are aware that government is employees and the state is YOU? It is a relationship that you need to be aware of else your 'person' will be drawn from one bad situation to another.

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[iOWNme]

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/3207

Read chapter XVI in its entirety. Then read it again. Then sleep on it for several months. Then read it again. Believe it or not it takes a while to soak in. A single person (person being actor) representing himself IS author.

I have to read a whole chapter of a book to get 'your' definition of authority? I did download it and i will read it, but i am no fan of Hobbes and i have already read a bunch of his stuff which is why i disagree so much. (See the definition of authority i posted from the Stanford philosophy). If i have to read it many times to let it 'sink in', im pretty sure that is just another form of 'mind control' seeing as how i already know that Right and Wrong/Truth and Lies/Moral/Immoral already exist in reality.

However, i can post 50 other definitions from Law books to general dictionaries that all point to authority being something a group or government thinks it has by some arbitrary procedure. Here is Blacks Law 2nd & 3rd, both which backup what i have been saying:


4108

4109


Here's more from various sources all saying the same thing i am:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/authority - freedom granted by one in authority : right (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/right) a : persons in command government
a governmental agency or corporation to administer a revenue-producing public enterprise

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authority - Authority (from the Latin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin) auctoritas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auctoritas)) is a right (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights) conferred by recognized social position (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_position). Authority often refers to power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_%28politics%29) vested in an individual (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual) or organization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization) by the state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_%28polity%29)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/authority - the power to determine, adjudicate, or otherwise settle issues or disputes; jurisdiction; the right to control (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/control), command, or determine.
2.a power or right delegated or given; authorization (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/authorization): Who has the authority to grant permission?
3.a person or body of persons in whom authority is vested, as a governmental agency.
4.Usually, authorities. persons having the legal power to make and enforce the law; government: They finally persuaded the authorities that they were not involved in espionage.
5. an accepted source of information, advice, etc.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/authority - The power to enforce laws, exact obedience, command, determine, or judge.b. One that is invested with this power, especially a government or body of government officials: land titles issued by the civil authority.
2. Power assigned to another; authorization: Deputies were given authority to make arrests.
3. A public agency or corporation with administrative powers in a specified field

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/authority/ - Also, the distinction between de facto and morally legitimate authority is not universally accepted or at least it is not accepted that the distinction makes a difference. Hobbes insists that any entity capable of performing the function of de facto authority is necessarily justified and deserves the obedience of the de facto subjects (Hobbes 1668). But most have argued that there is an important distinction between de facto authority and legitimate authority. We will explore in what follows the conceptions political and legal philosophers have had of legitimate political authority.





Should you find yourself in court you will be a person. You will never be permitted to show up as yourself. Your words will be your own in this capacity and you will be said to be 'representing yourself' or 'pro se'. In this case you are the author of your words, you own them but it is your 'person' who speaks them.

Note that I did not invent this system nor do I much like this particular state of affairs but it does explain much of how government has established the degree of mind control that they have.

So we agree! Government uses mind control to make you think a thing called 'Authority' exists! I actually said this earlier in one of our discussions. Ive been saying all along that this is all made up, and here you go proving my point. The fact that you even stated it is mind control is enough for me to know that even you know this isnt real and is based on absolute mythical garbage and ceremonial quackery.


What is your definition of a 'true STATIST'?
You are aware that government is employees and the state is YOU? It is a relationship that you need to be aware of else your 'person' will be drawn from one bad situation to another.

No i am not aware of such a thing. Some old men said i was supposed to be the Government, but i had no say in the matter therefore i find it quite laughable that others think i am the this thing called 'Government'. Especially when it is in direct opposition to my moral compass.

The root word here is 'author' and i do agree that this word can be used for a single person who does things by his own will, but he cannot delegate any power he does not have to another man or group. So the word 'authorized' is the problem here because you cannot 'authorize' a man or group of men to do something that you yourself cannot do, and that (plus violence) is the entire rub of Government.



Would you like to check out this book called 'The Most Dangerous Superstition' by Larken Rose? I REALLY hope you do

http://www.scribd.com/doc/86174715/The-Most-Dangerous-Superstition-by-Larken-Rose

"The belief in 'authority' (which includes all belief in 'government') is irrational and self-contradictory, it is contrary to humanity and morality, and constitutes the most dangerous, destructive superstition that has ever existed. Rather than being a force for order and justice, the belief in 'authority' is the arch-enemy of humanity."

[palani]

I am no fan of Hobbes Neither am I a fan of Hobbes. He does however provide a description of 'person' and 'author' that seems to be in tune with what happens in reality.



However, i can post 50 other definitions from Law books to general dictionaries that all point to authority being something a group or government thinks it has
The sovereign gets to choose the lexicon he uses. Should you lest West Publishing choose your definitions for you then you also let them be sovereign.



So we agree! Government uses mind control to make you think a thing called 'Authority' exists! Government (quite rightly) presumes you have given them YOUR authority to act. They presume this because 1) you are a resident 2) you registered to vote 3) you use their funny money to buy things 4) you rely upon them for your welfare 5) you rely upon them for your retirement.

Beware of taking gifts from foreign potentates.



No i am not aware of such a thing. Some old men said i was supposed to be the Government, but i had no say in the matter therefore i find it quite laughable that others think i am the this thing called 'Government'. Especially when it is in direct opposition to my moral compass. You choose the government that serves you. See items 1) thru 5) above. You are still the state no matter what actions you take. You continue to spout the nonsense that the government is the state. Ideally state and government are merged into one. When you rely upon external government you admit your inability to govern yourself. The state is the sovereign. The (external) government must follow their own statutes. The state need not follow the statutes of their (external) government.


The root word here is 'author' and i do agree that this word can be used for a single person who does things by his own will, but he cannot delegate any power he does not have to another man or group. Nonsense. Principal and agent. The agent acts for the principal.

So the word 'authorized' is the problem here because you cannot 'authorize' a man or group of men to do something that you yourself cannot do, and that (plus violence) is the entire rub of Government.




Would you like to check out this book called 'The Most Dangerous Superstition' by Larken Rose? I REALLY hope you do

http://www.scribd.com/doc/86174715/The-Most-Dangerous-Superstition-by-Larken-Rose

"The belief in 'authority' (which includes all belief in 'government') is irrational and self-contradictory, it is contrary to humanity and morality, and constitutes the most dangerous, destructive superstition that has ever existed. Rather than being a force for order and justice, the belief in 'authority' is the arch-enemy of humanity."
I will have a look at it but I suspect Larkin Rose never read chapter XVI of Hobbes or, if he did, he chooses to ignore the information.