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Glass
21st November 2012, 12:46 PM
New push for most in US to get at least 1 HIV test
By LAURAN NEERGAARD
WASHINGTON (AP) - There's a new push to make testing for the AIDS virus as common as cholesterol checks.

Americans ages 15 to 64 should get an HIV test at least once - not just people considered at high risk for the virus, an independent panel that sets screening guidelines proposed Monday.

The draft guidelines from the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force are the latest recommendations that aim to make HIV screening simply a routine part of a check-up, something a doctor can order with as little fuss as a cholesterol test or a mammogram. Since 2006, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention also has pushed for widespread, routine HIV screening.

Yet not nearly enough people have heeded that call: Of the more than 1.1 million Americans living with HIV, nearly 1 in 5 - almost 240,000 people - don't know it. Not only is their own health at risk without treatment, they could unwittingly be spreading the virus to others.

The updated guidelines will bring this long-simmering issue before doctors and their patients again - emphasizing that public health experts agree on how important it is to test even people who don't think they're at risk, because they could be.
"It allows you to say, 'This is a recommended test that we believe everybody should have. We're not singling you out in any way,'" said task force member Dr. Douglas Owens of Stanford University and the Veterans Affairs Palo Alto Health Care System.

And if finalized, the task force guidelines could extend the number of people eligible for an HIV screening without a copay in their doctor's office, as part of free preventive care under the Obama administration's health care law. Under the task force's previous guidelines, only people at increased risk for HIV - which includes gay and bisexual men and injecting drug users - were eligible for that no-copay screening.

There are a number of ways to get tested. If you're having blood drawn for other exams, the doctor can merely add HIV to the list, no extra pokes or swabs needed. Today's rapid tests can cost less than $20 and require just rubbing a swab over the gums, with results ready in as little as 20 minutes. Last summer, the government approved a do-it-yourself at-home version that's selling for about $40.

Free testing is available through various community programs around the country, including a CDC pilot program in drugstores in 24 cities and rural sites.

Monday's proposal also recommends:
_Testing people older and younger than 15-64 if they are at increased risk of HIV infection,
_People at very high risk for HIV infection should be tested at least annually.
_It's not clear how often to retest people at somewhat increased risk, but perhaps every three to five years.
_Women should be tested during each pregnancy, something the task force has long recommended.

The draft guidelines are open for public comment through Dec. 17.

Most of the 50,000 new HIV infections in the U.S. every year are among gay and bisexual men, followed by heterosexual black women.

"We are not doing as well in America with HIV testing as we would like," Dr. Jonathan Mermin, CDC's HIV prevention chief, said Monday.

The CDC recommends at least one routine test for everyone ages 13 to 64, starting two years younger than the task force recommended. That small difference aside, CDC data suggests fewer than half of adults under 65 have been tested.

"It can sometimes be awkward to ask your doctor for an HIV test," Mermin said - the reason that making it routine during any health care encounter could help.

But even though nearly three-fourths of gay and bisexual men with undiagnosed HIV had visited some sort of health provider in the previous year, 48 percent weren't tested for HIV, a recent CDC survey found. Emergency rooms are considered a good spot to catch the undiagnosed, after their illnesses and injuries have been treated, but Mermin said only about 2 percent of ER patients known to be at increased risk were tested while there.

Mermin calls that "a tragedy. It's a missed opportunity."


50,000 more people per year sounds like a lot of people. What does the infection rate trend look like? That would be more useful than the whole number.

And then:

Most of the 50,000 new HIV infections in the U.S. every year are among gay and bisexual men, followed by heterosexual black women.

So the bisexual men have sex with the black women. I guess that must be the vector based on what they are saying.

It's the whole concept that is troubling but not just on the corruption that it is, but because of the implication against 100% of the people. 100% of the people are not manogamous at least 1 time per year?

I also find the implications of the age brackets interesting. It's illegal to have sex if you are a minor. I know this is going to vary state by state but it's going to be 16 or older. So what is the implication of testing 13 year olds. And then how is risk determined? Pregnancy?


The draft guidelines are open for public comment through Dec. 17.

osoab
21st November 2012, 12:56 PM
See this thread.

Wife didn't have to tell husband she had AIDS before marrying him. (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?56487-Wife-didn-t-have-to-tell-husband-she-had-AIDS-before-marrying-him)

Hillbilly
21st November 2012, 03:30 PM
Aids is a Hoax, they are so good at making money off this hoax that they want everyone to get tested so they can "Save" them even though they never needed saving and would for the most part live much longer lives WITHOUT AND AIDS DRUGS.

mamboni
21st November 2012, 09:44 PM
From the article:

The updated guidelines will bring this long-simmering issue before doctors and their patients again - emphasizing that public health experts agree on how important it is to test even people who don't think they're at risk, because they could be.
"It allows you to say, 'This is a recommended test that we believe everybody should have. We're not singling you out in any way,'" said task force member Dr. Douglas Owens of Stanford University and the Veterans Affairs Palo Alto Health Care System.

This is assinine on so many levels. First, it will cost $billions, to potentially identify 240,000 theoretical HIV cases. If the test cost $20, then the population cost is about $6 billion. Divide this into 240,000 and the cost per HIV case found is $25,000! The nation is going broke with healthcare costs out of control and these morons want to waste more money. What's worse, there will be thousands of false positives. If the test is 99% accurate, there will be 3 million false positives. These people will have their lives devastated, by the emotional trauma, potential loss of insurance or employment, and out of pocket costs for unnecessary additonal testing. And the sysyem will incur $billions in additional costs to evaluate and rule out all these false positives. This is Public Policy gone stupid. The level of waste and mismanagement in America is staggering. I have to believe that the test manufacturer paid off the panel to recommend this - they are the only ones who will profit from this whole fiasco. This kind of corporate windfall - public debt boondoggle is the norm in our crony capitalist system. The whole system needs to collapse already - why it hasn't already is beyond me.


False Positives and the Most Common Tests (http://www.hivtest.com/how-accurate-are-hiv-tests.html)
It should be noted that four out of five times when an ELISA gives a positive, the Western Blot test reveals it to be a false positive. This can be a terrible burden for any individual to bear, especially if he or she does not have anyone with them to act as a support provider during this time. In the end, the accuracy of HIV tests will fall upon not only any decision an individual makes when he or she decides to be tested, but how accurate the test is and whether it has been verified as being a legitimate test. If any individual is unsure of whether a test is a legitimate, it is best either to look into the research surrounding the test or to ask a doctor’s opinion. Discovering that an individual is positive is difficult enough, but to find out that a test has given a false positive can be terrible.

Serpo
21st November 2012, 11:24 PM
And of course if they use the same testing needles on everyone then everyone gets it but hey we can trust them ,they brought us vaccines remember..............sorry Mamboni but Im over it, palliative care that is..............

Hillbilly
22nd November 2012, 06:10 PM
Look at Magic Johnson, he is not dead, not even sick and does not take any of the meds that the doctors try to push on him for aids, had he taken those drugs he would have long ago died.