Ancient Aliens DEBUNKED!

[StreetsOfGold]

The history channel (pro-evolution) is known for putting out propaganda mixed in with some truth (the most effective propaganda)
Their recent barrage of Ancient Alien mis-information needed a rational response so, here it is, in HD and downloadable, of course

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9w-i5oZqaQ

Intro ( 0:00 )
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/124-2/
Puma Punku ( 3:38 ) or
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/puma-punku/
The Pyramids ( 22:41 ) Or
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/the-pyramids/
Baalbek, ( 37:40 ) Or
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/baalbek/
Incan sites ( 55:33 ) Or
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/incan-sites/
Easter Island ( 1:01:33 ) Or
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/easter-island/
Pacal's rocket ( 1:05:36 ) Or
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/pacals-rocket/
The Nazca Lines ( 1:13:10 ) Or
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/nazca-lines/
Tolima "fighter jets ( 1:21:16 )
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/tolima-fighter-jets/
Egyptian "light bulb" ( 1:27:01 )
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/112-2/
Ufo's in ancient art ( 1:36:08 )
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/ufos-in-ancient-art/
The crystal skulls ( 1:46:38 )
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/crystal-skulls/
Ezekiel's Wheel ( 1:58:17 )
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/ezekiels-wheels/
Ancient nuclear warfare ( 2:11:16 )
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/ancient-nuclear-w...
Vimana's ( 2:20:50 )
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/vimanas/
Anunnaki ( 2:32:52 )
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/anunnaki/
Nephilim ( 2:54:37 )
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/nephilim/
Conclusion ( 3:07:10
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/misc-and-conclusion/

Ancient Aliens Debunked is a 3 hour refutation of the theories proposed on the History Channel series Ancient Aliens. It is essentially a point by point critique of the "ancient astronaut theory" which has been proposed by people like Erich von Däniken and Zecharia Sitchin as well as many others.

The film covers topics like:
Ancient building sites: Puma Punku, The Pyramids, Baalbek, Incan sites, And Easter Island. Ancient artifacts: Pacal's rocket, the Nazca lines, the Tolima "fighter jets", the Egyptian "light bulb", Ufo's in ancient art, and the crystal skulls. Ancient text issues: Ezekiel's wheel, Ancient nuclear warfare, Vimana's, the Anunnaki, and the Nephilim.

All the claims are sourced at the website: http://ancientaliensdebunked.com

[Shami-Amourae]

Chris White makes a lot of good films. I like his David Icke one the most:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbEgvx1qelw

I may not be a Christian, but I appreciate his work at debunking/exposing bullshit.

[Twisted Titan]

I cant stand icke

He spouts mountian load of crap like its gospel but it is nothing more then his colorful opinion that cant be debated Or refuted

[Errosion Of Accord]

Good find SoG.

[madfranks]

I'm actually a fan of this show, but more for entertainment than for learning facts. As a matter of fact, I had a chance to see Giorgio Tsoukalos a month ago on his speaking tour and he said, regarding the show, that the History Channel purposely fills it with all sorts of hooey just to make it more entertaining.

[sirgonzo420]

I'm actually a fan of this show, but more for entertainment than for learning facts. As a matter of fact, I had a chance to see Giorgio Tsoukalos a month ago on his speaking tour and he said, regarding the show, that the History Channel purposely fills it with all sorts of hooey just to make it more entertaining.

Did he say anything about aliens, by chance?

And how was his hair?

[Horn]

On the pumapunku debunk,

One guy says its sandstone, the other guy says its granite or diorite. One guy say measurement is too exact, the other that it is out.The only way to verify is to go and weigh/measure for yourself.

Just looking at pictures leads one to believe it is not a soft, porous, light stone, and with that the erosion over even the minimum number of years claimed doesn't seem congruent. I would believe him more if he simply said he traveled there and touched, or showed some video of him there measuring/weighing it.

The pyramids and other debunks for levitating seem valid enough, the reason he places Pumapunku first is the same reason the ancient alien show places it near its final, its his weakest case and their strongest.

[Neuro]

Chris White makes a lot of good films. I like his David Icke one the most:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbEgvx1qelw

I may not be a Christian, but I appreciate his work at debunking/exposing bullshit.
Wow! This really does explain a lot of why David Icke says what he says. The connections to Alice Bailey's teachings re the creation of the New World Order are very revealing. It is a long video at 2 hours and 45 minutes, but it is well spent time. Thanks Shami!

[madfranks]

Puma Punku ( 3:38 ) or
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/ref...ts/puma-punku/ (http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/puma-punku/)

That is the worst piece of "debunking" I've ever read; it does nothing to refute the amazing artifacts that exist on that site.

[madfranks]

Did he say anything about aliens, by chance?

And how was his hair?

Yes, he discussed aliens, and his hair was epic. I even got a photo of myself next to him doing the "aliens" meme.

http://memeimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ancient-aliens-guy-big-hair-giorgio-tsoukalos.jpeg

[Old Herb Lady]

Yes, he discussed aliens, and his hair was epic. I even got a photo of myself next to him doing the "aliens" meme.



Would love to see that !! ;D

[Neuro]

That is the worst piece of "debunking" I've ever read; it does nothing to refute the amazing artifacts that exist on that site.
What artifacts specifically?

[madfranks]

What artifacts specifically?

Like the quarry where blocks of stone were removed, how did they cut blocks straight out of the face of the quarry?

http://talc.site88.net/gfx/s-con1.jpg

[osoab]

Like the quarry where blocks of stone were removed, how did they cut blocks straight out of the face of the quarry?

http://talc.site88.net/gfx/s-con1.jpg


I debunk you. :)

That is the Quarry at Ollantaytambo.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Quarry+at+Ollantaytambo&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=SAh&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=NImzUMfiBsOayQHUlIGgCA&ved=0CFoQsAQ&biw=1360&bih=884

[madfranks]

I stand corrected, then, my mistake.

[osoab]

I stand corrected, then, my mistake.


I just looked it up. I hadn't heard of this quarry either.

[Neuro]

Like the quarry where blocks of stone were removed, how did they cut blocks straight out of the face of the quarry?

http://talc.site88.net/gfx/s-con1.jpg
Ok so it wasn't from puma punku. I just wonder where you got the information that it was?

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

Whether true or not the ancient alien theory makes a lot more sense than most of the religious dogma creation theories.

[Neuro]

Whether true or not the ancient alien theory makes a lot more sense than most of the religious dogma creation theories.
Well in that case it doesn't matter if it is true or not then. {--->)

[jimswift]

makes a lot more sense than most of the religious dogma creation theories.

Well, not really, a lot of them deal in off planet interventions too. Seems like the location of heaven is not of this planet.

[StreetsOfGold]

Whether true or not the ancient alien theory makes a lot more sense than most of the religious dogma creation theories.

Beware of anyone who needs to lie to make a case.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

[Horn]

I just looked it up. I hadn't heard of this quarry either.

Is that the quarry where Pumapunku rocks came from?

[Son-of-Liberty]

Anyone else here think the whole ancient alien thing is a red herring? I tend to think ancient man did all these things (we were as advanced as we are now roughly) and then either nuclear war or Mccanney's theory about a comet interaction causing a worldwide flood and pole shift sent us back to the stone age. Most likely the flood because it would destroy most of the evidence. Any remaining technology or artifacts would be scavenged and reused until they were destroyed.

They can't ignore these artifacts and they don't want us to know our true history so they put the bogus alien spin on it to lead us away from the truth.

[freespirit]

Anyone else here think the whole ancient alien thing is a red herring? I tend to think ancient man did all these things (we were as advanced as we are now roughly) and then either nuclear war or Mccanney's theory about a comet interaction causing a worldwide flood and pole shift sent us back to the stone age. Most likely the flood because it would destroy most of the evidence. Any remaining technology or artifacts would be scavenged and reused until they were destroyed.

They can't ignore these artifacts and they don't want us to know our true history so they put the bogus alien spin on it to lead us away from the truth.

the mayans believed that the world had gone through a number of "ages" with an apocalyptic event ending the old and beginning the new, and each "age" lasting about 5000 years. following this line of thought i find it very reasonable to think that humans could have achieved the necessary levels of advancement and technology required to accomplish such amazing feats only to have the knowledge lost during the devastating transition from one age to the next, and it taking most of the next age to reacquire the knowledge base. as each age comes and goes it would appear as though the learning curve accelerates in each consecutive age.

just my opinion, mind you...

[Son-of-Liberty]

That has crossed my mind also. Almost like we keep repeating history and making the same mistakes.

There is definitely plenty of stuff that the mainstream history books don't explain either way.

[Glass]

interesting stuff. I ended up here (from the google link I think):

http://talc.site88.net/mega.htm

Talks about the

Ollantaytambo and puma punku

but it also mentions the myths of Stonehenge and the Coral Garden that was brought up a couple weeks ago on this forum and I think mentioned in my thread on Harmonics



Coral Castle

Although not of ancient orgin, this place may have been built using long lost ancient knowledge. Around the year 1923, the Latvian-born Edward Leedskalnin built a park on his own with stone sculptures in Florida City which he named Rock Gate Park, later more known as Coral Castle.

The place comprises numerous megalithic stones from limestone (mostly limestone that had been formed by coral), each weighing several tons. The park remained in Florida City until about 1936 when Leedskalnin decided to move and take the park with him. He spent three years moving the park including all of his sculptures 10 miles (16 km) north from Florida City to its current location in Homestead, Florida.
Coral Castle
Rock Gate Park,
also known as Coral Castle

It is a mystery how one man could have moved these megaliths without the aid of motorized construction machines. When one asked how he could accomplish this feat he answered: "I understand the laws of weight and leverage and I know the secrets of the people who built the pyramids." (the pyramids of Giza).

Leedskalnin also researched electromagnetism and wrote a document called "Magnetic Current" (Readable here.), where he linked gravity with magnetism as being the same force. According to his theory all matter was being acted upon what he called "invidual magnets", with a positive and negative polarity like a magnet. It is supposed that he could have used this knowledge to move and lift his megalithic sculptures, because in his shed there had been found a mysterious machine with a flywheel with no known purpose.

Notably, he made his sculptures from limestone, which is the same material as the megalithic stones of the pyramids of Giza, the stones of Stonehenge and the standing stones of the ancient dolmens. It could be that these stones, possibly because of formed crystalline material, could have a special electromagnetic property which perhaps could change the influence of gravity.

It is also noteworthy that both the old and the new location of Coral Castle is situated at an intersection of so-called ley lines, like with many other megalithic structures. Leedskalnin never fully explained how he lifted these stones and took his secret with him into his grave when he died in the year 1954.



Then it goes on to talk about Energy Lines/ Grid of Earth.




Egypt
Mexico
Bolivia
Peru
Easter Island (Rapa Nui)
Libanon
England
Dolmens
Coral Castle
Energy Lines of the Earth
Alignment with the Stars
The Mystery of the Pyramids
The Hall of Records


Now we talk about the Earth Energy Grid.


Energy Lines of the Earth

William Becker; professor of Industrial Design at the University of Illinois, developped in collaboration with his wife Bethe Hagens; professor Antropology at the Governors State University, the theory of the "Planetary Grid" which they called the "Becker-Hagens Grid". Their theory was inspired by both the discovery of the Scotting biologist and writer Ivan Sanderson as the teachings of the Greek philosopher Plato. In Plato's writings the earth was regarded as a 120-sided polyhedron, which is a synthesis of both the dodecahedron and the icosahedron. This knowledge was known by the Greeks (Plato) but also by older civilizations. If we could behold the earth without the water of the seas however, we would be able to see that the earth is not an exactly perfect sphere but has more the shape of a cinder existing of many flat sides.


Dont know about this guy but he adds interest for sure


Psychic intuitive Douglas James Cottrell explained this grid as pathways where had been built certain temples and pyramids at specific locations that were stations for magnetic and anti-magnetic disruption, by which both stone and metal could float in the air. This technology would also have been used before on the planet Mars, and that is why one also finds pyramid-like structures on that planet.

[Bigjon]

the mayans believed that the world had gone through a number of "ages" with an apocalyptic event ending the old and beginning the new, and each "age" lasting about 5000 years. following this line of thought i find it very reasonable to think that humans could have achieved the necessary levels of advancement and technology required to accomplish such amazing feats only to have the knowledge lost during the devastating transition from one age to the next, and it taking most of the next age to reacquire the knowledge base. as each age comes and goes it would appear as though the learning curve accelerates in each consecutive age.

just my opinion, mind you...

I have my doubts about losing the knowledge.

What better way to gain control than to arrange a cataclysmic event and take all the knowledge for yourself?

I would bet money that before they burned the library at Alexandria the good stuff was taken out to be put in a private library. There are rumors about Tesla, that his father had access to the Vatican's libraries and that Tesla got to read from these texts.

[madfranks]

the mayans believed that the world had gone through a number of "ages" with an apocalyptic event ending the old and beginning the new, and each "age" lasting about 5000 years. following this line of thought i find it very reasonable to think that humans could have achieved the necessary levels of advancement and technology required to accomplish such amazing feats only to have the knowledge lost during the devastating transition from one age to the next, and it taking most of the next age to reacquire the knowledge base. as each age comes and goes it would appear as though the learning curve accelerates in each consecutive age.

just my opinion, mind you...

I think that's a logical deduction. Think about it, technology is constantly being built upon the last generation, in a step by step progression. If we get a solar flare event similar to the one that happened in 1859 and the whole world's electric grids fry, it would be irreparable and we wouldn't simply go back 100 years, because today's generation doesn't have the skills of the generation from 100 years ago, i.e. farming, metal smithing, textile making, old style printing, etc. All modern technology would be lost, humanity would be starting over, and four or five generations into the future all this talk about the internet, airplanes, (take your pick of any modern technology) etc., will come to be considered fiction.

[Dogman]

I think that's a logical deduction. Think about it, technology is constantly being built upon the last generation, in a step by step progression. If we get a solar flare event similar to the one that happened in 1859 and the whole world's electric grids fry, it would be irreparable and we wouldn't simply go back 100 years, because today's generation doesn't have the skills of the generation from 100 years ago, i.e. farming, metal smithing, textile making, old style printing, etc. All modern technology would be lost, humanity would be starting over, and four or five generations into the future all this talk about the internet, airplanes, (take your pick of any modern technology) etc., will come to be considered fiction. For this to happen the worlds libraries would need to be destroyed. Our library's would hold the knowledge to help rebuild what was lost. The hard part is finding the knowledge to do a thing. Once the know how is known, doing is easy. Compared to knowledge lost and may or may not be found.

Yes the grid would go down and transformers that are special built probably will blow. But to drive us back into the near stone age, I do not think so. Yes, hi-tech production equipment and such would be disabled/ruined. But generators and a lot of motors will survive and be able to do work. Computers I think would be more of a hit and miss on if they are damaged by the flares.

Other than the lines, it is the large distribution transformers that are at the most risk of blowing and almost all of them are special made and spares are not sitting in the yard for replacement.

A major flare would cause major problems indeed and probably many would die. But unless earth was hit with a secession of flares that hit every continent on the earth in a row, somewhere there would be places unaffected.

It could/would probably take years to recover, but maybe not as severe as some would think, because the ability to rebuild would still remain.

Imho!

[Neuro]

I think that's a logical deduction. Think about it, technology is constantly being built upon the last generation, in a step by step progression. If we get a solar flare event similar to the one that happened in 1859 and the whole world's electric grids fry, it would be irreparable and we wouldn't simply go back 100 years, because today's generation doesn't have the skills of the generation from 100 years ago, i.e. farming, metal smithing, textile making, old style printing, etc. All modern technology would be lost, humanity would be starting over, and four or five generations into the future all this talk about the internet, airplanes, (take your pick of any modern technology) etc., will come to be considered fiction.
Yes, that could very well happen, but I would think that a few thousand years from now archeologists would find remnants of boeings and iPhones... If there were advanced civilizations in the past don't you think we would find at least some remnants of their high tech gadgets, beyond stone axes?

[Bigjon]

Yes, that could very well happen, but I would think that a few thousand years from now archeologists would find remnants of boeings and iPhones... If there were advanced civilizations in the past don't you think we would find at least some remnants of their high tech gadgets, beyond stone axes?

Whenever someone finds something that doesn't fit "the story", it is buried in a subbasement and lost.

[Neuro]

Whenever someone finds something that doesn't fit "the story", it is buried in a subbasement and lost.
Perhaps in some or even many cases, but don't you think a few nifty gadgets should have gotten through their net of deceit. Or has archeologists been under totalitarian control for the last century? ;)

[Horn]

Perhaps in some or even many cases, but don't you think a few nifty gadgets should have gotten through their net of deceit. Or has archeologists been under totalitarian control for the last century? ;)

The elder race was so advanced that their gadgets would bio-degrade when the battery died. :)

We need this technology.

My impression of ancient alien script was that aliens performed genetic experiments on man during the last ice age.

Reason for all the goblins & giant dwarf stories... Maybe they moved after they saw how terrible it went...

[Son-of-Liberty]

Perhaps in some or even many cases, but don't you think a few nifty gadgets should have gotten through their net of deceit. Or has archeologists been under totalitarian control for the last century? ;)

If there was a global flood most of the gadgets would be buried under hundreds of feet of sediment. Some of the stuff found in the past wasn't recognized like the Baghdad battery. some sources say it was originally found in the 1800's but nobody knew what it was. Then in 1938 it was found in a museums collections and someone realized it could have been a battery.

Think about it. If you discover something that doesn't exist you wouldn't know what it is or how it would be used.

There is a good chance that Egyptians had both batteries and light bulbs or at least knew of them. How was that technology lost?

[Son-of-Liberty]

Going back to the global flood idea. If a civilization like ours experienced this there would indeed be nifty gadgets or at least you would think there would be. Plastics and the like would remain to be found. But what if it occurred to a civilization that had roughly 19th century technology? Even late 19th century. They had no plastics or electronics although they had a scientific understanding that most would consider fairly advanced.

However a global flood would destroy almost everything. Even stuff not submerged would be ruined by flowing water, high winds and earthquakes. Knowledge stored in books would mostly be destroyed. Those few that survived the cataclysm would be more concerned with survival then salvaging technology. Tools and buildings made of wood and steel would rust or rot and eventually become useless or unrecognizable. Stone and brick buildings ruined by the flood and weather would be cannibalized to build new shelters.

Still some knowledge would remain. But if it was horded by an small group that wanted to maintain control over the rest of the population civilization would not spring back like one would assume.

Eventually technology would become a myth. A light bulb would only exist as a carving on a stone wall.

Those that knew of the technology and still had books or artifacts would always have an advantage and could be called the Illuminati? The enlightened ones.

Just my over imaginative mind at work.