Eating Atlantic salmon, and shrimp

[joboo]

Bought some Atlantic salmon the other day, and while I was cooking it I noticed some weird smells emanating from the steam. My senses were telling me something was desperately wrong.

Decided to do some brief research on salmon, and shrimp, and discovered some grim results.

There is essentially no wild Atlantic salmon fishing industry left in existence. It's all farm raised in pens. Most growers, regardless of geographic location, choose Atlantic salmon to raise as they produce the best yield.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01017/salmon-farming1_1017840i.jpg

http://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/10/the-bottom-line-on-salmon/

"I have been saying this for 20 years and now it’s semi-official: When it comes to salmon, consumers don’t know what they’re buying.

A recent survey by the (admittedly not-disinterested) Alaska Seafood Marketing Institute found that 90 percent of respondents (800 people, ages 35 to 54) did not know that Atlantic salmon is farmed-raised. And a third believe that Atlantic salmon is wild.

Most farm-raised salmon is Atlantic salmon — the only species of salmon living in the Atlantic ocean — and, because in the wild it is an endangered species, fishing for it is prohibited almost everywhere (certainly in the U.S.) and almost all Atlantic salmon sold in stores is farm-raised. There is no virtually no wild Atlantic salmon for sale."

Farm raised salmon are fed chicken manure, toxic PCB contaminated feeds, the highest levels of antibiotics, and other GMO's...to the point they well exceed tolerable levels for cancer.

http://www.albany.edu/ihe/salmonstudy/

Farmed Salmon:



have seven times the levels of PCB’s as wild salmon
have 30 times the number of sea lice
are fed chemicals to give them color
are fed pellets of chicken feces, corn meal, soy, genetically modified canola oil and other fish containing concentrations of toxins
are administered antibiotics at higher levels than any other livestock
have less omega 3’s due to lack of wild diet
are crowed into small areas inhibiting movement, and causing disease


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The outlook for shrimp is even less appealing.

Anything overseas, is mainly raised in man made shallow ponds in fields, and doused daily with antibiotics used for treating anthrax, and chlamydia, and after about six or seven years the ponds are so toxic the shrimp can no longer survive in them.

About 5% of imports are tested, and much of that 5% fails health standards.
Basically 95% of this gross farming reality is passing straight through to your dinner plate "as is".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR4NPf63deE

DYODD...

[JohnQPublic]

I think Alaska salmon can still be had wild. We buy the marinated filets sometimes. Last year I bought a big chunk of Alaska salmon and grilled it. The flesh was bright red/pink, a sign it is not farmed (flesh is white or dyed).

[hoarder]

Seafood: If I don't see the words "Alaska" and "wild", I don't eat it.

[mick silver]

i had some fish stick tonight .................... not really

[joboo]

I think Alaska salmon can still be had wild. We buy the marinated filets sometimes. Last year I bought a big chunk of Alaska salmon and grilled it. The flesh was bright red/pink, a sign it is not farmed (flesh is white or dyed).

Forgot to mention that. Gotta go way north to get the good stuff, but then I don't know how the Japanese ocean currents play into that (Fukashima). Probably not so good.

Also makes me wonder about the integrity of fish oil capsules (farmed fish?), as the toxins concentrate in the fat.

I sourced some fish oil from the Southern hemisphere, cleaner waters, (New Zealand) from hoki fish as they have higher levels of EHA/EPA/DPA or whatever you call it, but the price was a premium.

What a sad state of affairs.

[chad]

i catch it in lake michigan or superior. probably still full of crap, but at least they're eating alewife.

[undgrd]

Check out the price difference between Atlantic and Pacific. Pacific is almost 3x the price of Atlantic. I also noticed the Pacific has less of a fishy taste.

I also go out of my way to find wild caught.

[10 Bears]

Farm fish raised in poop water. UGH

Core-belch-exit marinade in Atlantic Stream.

[Horn]

Tilapia Farming in Costa Rica


You'll find the fish known as Tilapia on many restaurant menus here in Costa Rica. Tilapia is a mild-tasting freshwater fish, with firm white flesh. Tilapia farming is becoming a very popular backyard business here in Costa Rica. My boyfriend's uncle began his Costa Rica Tilapia farm on an acre of land in Guacimo a few years ago. At last estimates he was making about $2,000 U.S. a month just selling the fish to local commercial outlets and neighbors who would come to his property to catch and cook their own lunch. You can see pictures of our visit to this Costa Rica Tilapia farm below.

http://costaricablogging.blogspot.com/2011/04/tilapia-farming-in-costa-rica.html


I've supplied about 3 farms so far in C.R. construction materials, it works here because of the constant mountain rain and streams everywhere.

They just pool up the stream water then let if flow back, you can make some pretty good dough if you keep at it.

[joboo]

Makes you wonder when TPTB allow people to routinely feed GMO bird shit to fish, and then sell it to people.

And enough people know about it, and it keeps happening.

[osoab]

Makes you wonder when TPTB allow people to routinely feed GMO bird shit to fish, and then sell it to people.

And enough people know about it, and it keeps happening.

0.001% knowing is exactly a lot of people.

[ImaCannin]

Bought some Atlantic salmon the other day, and while I was cooking it I noticed some weird smells emanating from the steam. My senses were telling me something was desperately wrong.


Farm raised salmon are fed chicken manure, toxic PCB contaminated feeds, the highest levels of antibiotics, and other GMO's...to the point they well exceed tolerable levels for cancer.


DYODD...


So do you think that smell in your fry pan was closer to chicken poop or fried soy ?

http://hencam.com/static/uploads/2012/06/kitty-scoop.jpg

[zap]

Icky are you trying to make me puke IMA, So many people I know just love to go to a Mexican restaurant and get a big shrimp cocktail, grrrroooossss.....

I rarely eat any seafood anymore and I love scallops I used to get wild caught from Japan, nope no more scallops for me, cause if you get it from the Atlantic its farm raised.... same for China, Thailand etc. If you get it from Alaska you got Fukashima radiation to deal with !

[joboo]

0.001% knowing is exactly a lot of people.

Point being the people employed in positions of responsibility to know this information, do know, and do nothing despite how outrageous it is.

100 people involved in positions of quality control should be enough given the circumstances.

50 people employed in any media capacity.

10 people employed at any government regulation level.

I would say the numbers are much higher than that.

[joboo]

So do you think that smell in your fry pan was closer to chicken poop or fried soy ?

http://hencam.com/static/uploads/2012/06/kitty-scoop.jpg

What made it apparent was I just got back from a long steam sauna session, about an hour. During this time I drink 2 - 3 liters of purified water, and take 3 -4 cold showers in filtered water. I definitely get cleansed. My sense of smell is always hyper active afterwards.

It smelled like a faint musty chicken pen smell, with a bit of cardboard. It was faint, but definitely present.

I only cooked up a small portion, and tossed the rest in the freezer.

It's going back to the store tomorrow, and I'm debating giving the manager a few questions on if he thinks it's appropriate to offer fish raised on a diet of chicken, pig, and duck shit in his store, and charge people money for it.

[Hatha Sunahara]

It's probably less disgusting than they way Tilapia are raised in fish farms. I think you got a 'manufacturer's reject' in the salmon you cooked up with the strange smell.

I get salmon in fillets of 3-4 pounds at Costco. I make gravlax with this fillet. I don't cook it over heat. I just salt it down on both sides and lay a few sprigs of dill on the fish, and into the fridge for about 3 days. When the liquid has left the fish, I take it out of the fridge, toss the liquid, and slice it thin. Tastes great by itself or on toasted artisan bread, sprinkled with olive oil. The salmon I get is Atlantic salmon raised either in British Columbia or Chile. It's good for your arteries, and prevents heart attacks. Much better than buying fish oil capsules for Omega 6 essential fatty acids.

I've learned that there is a limit to allowing yourself to be influenced by other peoples' disgust for some food item. If I gave up all the food that other people were disgusted with, I would have died of starvation long long ago. I do have concerns about GMO grains though. But you can't get away from them because they're fed to animals, and you'll get their effect if you eat any kind of meat. Our public policy should outlaw GMO foods. But Monsanto has bought out the public policy makers, and we can't vote them out because of vote fraud. So, sit back and enjoy the collapse of all this corruption, and hope that on the other side, things get fixed.


Hatha

[chad]

It's probably less disgusting than they way Tilapia are raised in fish farms. I think you got a 'manufacturer's reject' in the salmon you cooked up with the strange smell.

I get salmon in fillets of 3-4 pounds at Costco. I make gravlax with this fillet. I don't cook it over heat. I just salt it down on both sides and lay a few sprigs of dill on the fish, and into the fridge for about 3 days. When the liquid has left the fish, I take it out of the fridge, toss the liquid, and slice it thin. Tastes great by itself or on toasted artisan bread, sprinkled with olive oil. The salmon I get is Atlantic salmon raised either in British Columbia or Chile. It's good for your arteries, and prevents heart attacks. Much better than buying fish oil capsules for Omega 6 essential fatty acids.

I've learned that there is a limit to allowing yourself to be influenced by other peoples' disgust for some food item. If I gave up all the food that other people were disgusted with, I would have died of starvation long long ago. I do have concerns about GMO grains though. But you can't get away from them because they're fed to animals, and you'll get their effect if you eat any kind of meat. Our public policy should outlaw GMO foods. But Monsanto has bought out the public policy makers, and we can't vote them out because of vote fraud. So, sit back and enjoy the collapse of all this corruption, and hope that on the other side, things get fixed.


Hatha

never heard of gravlax before, but i just looked it up. learn something new everyday.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Here's another really tasty salmon recipe:


Marinated Salmon

Cut salmon fillet into bite sized pieces. Then make this marinade:

1 cup of Apple Juice or Pineapple juice (no vitamin C in the juice it ruins the brine) you can also use real apple cider too. 3/4 cup of Brown sugar, you can also use the natural Demerara Cane sugar (you should taste to make sure it's sweet, should be overly sweet because it loses it's sweetness once smoked, but if you don't like it sweet just play with the taste. 1/2 cup of honey 1 TBSP Pepper - if you don't like pepper then lower the tbs. 1 TBSP Hot Sauce - Any Mexican hot sauce is OK. 3/4 cup sea salt or kosher salt Mix all together. Keep tasting you may need more salt, it should be salty and sweet. If you don't like hot then be easy of the hot sauce. If you like the fish sweet then make sure that your brine is "overly sweet".
Soak fish in brine no more than 12 hours. Smoke the salmon. Alternatively, you can add a few drops of liquid smoke to the marinade.


Hatha

[chad]

Here's another really tasty salmon recipe:



Hatha

so you just soak it 12 hours and then eat it? sounds awesome.

[joboo]

I brought the fish back today. The lady was super nice, so I decided against any managerial drama.

No way I'm eating feces from any animal on purpose. No way in hell.

[joboo]

It's probably less disgusting than they way Tilapia are raised in fish farms. I think you got a 'manufacturer's reject' in the salmon you cooked up with the strange smell.

I get salmon in fillets of 3-4 pounds at Costco. I make gravlax with this fillet. I don't cook it over heat. I just salt it down on both sides and lay a few sprigs of dill on the fish, and into the fridge for about 3 days. When the liquid has left the fish, I take it out of the fridge, toss the liquid, and slice it thin. Tastes great by itself or on toasted artisan bread, sprinkled with olive oil. The salmon I get is Atlantic salmon raised either in British Columbia or Chile. It's good for your arteries, and prevents heart attacks. Much better than buying fish oil capsules for Omega 6 essential fatty acids.

I've learned that there is a limit to allowing yourself to be influenced by other peoples' disgust for some food item. If I gave up all the food that other people were disgusted with, I would have died of starvation long long ago. I do have concerns about GMO grains though. But you can't get away from them because they're fed to animals, and you'll get their effect if you eat any kind of meat. Our public policy should outlaw GMO foods. But Monsanto has bought out the public policy makers, and we can't vote them out because of vote fraud. So, sit back and enjoy the collapse of all this corruption, and hope that on the other side, things get fixed.


Hatha

Something like 30 times the parasites in farm raised. I would not eat that scenario raw.

Matters not where it comes from, CAFO is CAFO imo. GMO feces from chicken, pigs, and ducks, and the slimy dregs scraped up off the floor from fishing operations.

Out of this world nuts to eat that.

[chad]

well, in defense of the shrimp, they eat shit in real life as well. that's what they are: bottom dwelling shit eaters.

[joboo]

Went out protein shopping today. Clean non GMO protein is getting damn expensive.

For some reason I always thought Pollock was a bottom feeding flat fish. Imagine my surprise.

Wild Alaskan Pollock. Price per gram of (clean) protein is extremely compelling.

Found a sweet deal on glass bottled organic everything gourmet tomato sauce with roasted peppers, oregano, basil, parmesan, garlic, red wine, etc...and stocked up.

Steam fillets, pour sauce on top. Voila. Delicious clean meal for a couple bucks, that cooks up in a matter of minutes (omitting sides).

The Alaskan Walleye:http://www.iammistered.com/derby/5thderby/images/ed-pollock.jpg

[Hatha Sunahara]

Joboo--I bet you never eat sushi. Do you suppose the bears in Alaska have a problem with parasites from all the salmon they eat? I've been eating gravlax and salt cured salmon for years. No problems.


Hatha

[joboo]

Joboo--I bet you never eat sushi. Do you suppose the bears in Alaska have a problem with parasites from all the salmon they eat? I've been eating gravlax and salt cured salmon for years. No problems.


Hatha

I've had my fare share. Even been to a bunch of all you can eats. Used to do a weekly sushi dinner before heading up to the cottage with my brother, and his family.

Wild I have no problem with.

CAFO farming is just a bad idea. The entire operation specifically breeds parasites, and disease because everything is penned up, jam packed, and unable to escape. It's just nasty, and totally unnatural.

This is why they have to pump the fish with the highest levels of antibiotics out of of any CAFO practice.

When I say clean, I mean non GMO bt pesticide infused food sources. CAFO is all GMO corn, soy, etc... and they feed the feces of those GMO fed animals to the fish...GROSS x infinity!

[ShortJohnSilver]

I would bet people don't even understand that "Atlantic salmon" means a particular breed, and not "salmon raised in the Atlantic ocean".

[hoarder]

I would bet people don't even understand that "Atlantic salmon" means a particular breed, and not "salmon raised in the Atlantic ocean".That seems like a perfectly good reason to use that breed in fish farms.