Alex Jones taken behind the Woodshed

[iOWNme]

This is an incredible breakdown by Ry2sense.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssxEvQNa16E

[joboo]

dayum....

http://i49.tinypic.com/rh4v1l.jpg

[Uncle Salty]

No can see at work. Anybody care to summarize?

[Horn]

No can see at work. Anybody care to summarize?

As usual Alex Jones skirts Israeli guilt of ethnic cleansing in Gaza.

[joboo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G05c7riUBlg&feature=player_embedded

[Serpo]

No can see at work. Anybody care to summarize?

A J supports Israel.......in a nut shell


Certified by the ADL..............

[PatColo]

coincidentally, ZCF is on the rag against "Dawstein",

Kosher Crybaby Ryan Dawstein: “ZCF is a Neo-Nazi Hate Site! Oy Vey!” (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/12/04/kosher-crybaby-ryan-dawstein-zcf-is-a-neo-nazi-hate-site-oy-vey/)
Kosher Crybaby, Ryan Dawson, Blows a Gasket (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/12/03/kosher-crybaby-ryan-dawson-blows-a-gasket/)

[joboo]

coincidentally, ZCF is on the rag against "Dawstein", Kosher Crybaby Ryan Dawstein: “ZCF is a Neo-Nazi Hate Site! Oy Vey!” (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/12/04/kosher-crybaby-ryan-dawstein-zcf-is-a-neo-nazi-hate-site-oy-vey/)

Kosher Crybaby, Ryan Dawson, Blows a Gasket (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/12/03/kosher-crybaby-ryan-dawson-blows-a-gasket/)



I know someone who's been a member at his site since 2004. Basically all those links say is he's not hardcore and radical enough for their liking. A lot miss the point.

His contention with the pentagon/plane/missile issue is there have always areas of sticking points that people seem to get hung over up endlessly arguing to death in a loop while literally wasting their lives. Could it be a missile? Sure, could it be something else? Sure. Will anyone be allowed to know in the next 20 years? Probably not. Did it look like a plane? was there wreckage? Yes. Likely? maybe, possible? yes. For certain? Dunno? And that's as far as it can go.

What he is saying is it doesn't matter either way on some issues, and stop wasting time when it literally accomplishes nothing. Same deal with blanket racism accusations. People argue it to death. DA Joooos!

It never accomplishes anything, and you shoot yourself in the foot on top of it all. The brute force racism tactic will never work. Endless loops of zero.

Some get it, some don't, some never will.


edit: I hope you Don't frequent ZCF. That place looks almost as ridiculous as the user base judging by the comments left. A group of 15yr old agoraphobic's basement tinfoil hat party. Yeesh...

[PatColo]

^ If you check the ZCF links:
Kosher Crybaby Ryan Dawstein: “ZCF is a Neo-Nazi Hate Site! Oy Vey!” (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/12/04/kosher-crybaby-ryan-dawstein-zcf-is-a-neo-nazi-hate-site-oy-vey/)

Kosher Crybaby, Ryan Dawson, Blows a Gasket (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/12/03/kosher-crybaby-ryan-dawson-blows-a-gasket/)

you find his beef isn't over the pentagon question whatsoever. ZCF's beef is RD dissed him using some ADL joospew buzzwords. RD even accused ZCF of being an ADL front site - a telltale ploy of RD to try to "psychologically project (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2011/09/23/the-psychological-projections-of-organized-jewry/)" ;)

I noted in another thread recently that RD was a "commercial jetliner hit the pentagon and anyone who doubts it is a retard/disinfo/yadayada" whip cracker; at least as of 2-3 years ago when I saw a vid with him spewing that noise. I've sort of "had him on IGNORE" ever since, :D I don't even know if he still spouts that noise or what.

Good Spingola/ZCF interview yesterday,
Spingola & ZCF (Dec. 06, 2012) (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/12/06/spingola-zcf-dec-06-2012/)

[joboo]

^ If you check the ZCF links: Kosher Crybaby Ryan Dawstein: “ZCF is a Neo-Nazi Hate Site! Oy Vey!” (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/12/04/kosher-crybaby-ryan-dawstein-zcf-is-a-neo-nazi-hate-site-oy-vey/) Kosher Crybaby, Ryan Dawson, Blows a Gasket (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/12/03/kosher-crybaby-ryan-dawson-blows-a-gasket/) you find his beef isn't over the pentagon question whatsoever. ZCF's beef is RD dissed him using some ADL joospew buzzwords. RD even accused ZCF of being an ADL front site - a telltale ploy of RD to try to "psychologically project (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2011/09/23/the-psychological-projections-of-organized-jewry/)" ;) I noted in another thread recently that RD was a "commercial jetliner hit the pentagon and anyone who doubts it is a retard/disinfo/yadayada" whip cracker; at least as of 2-3 years ago when I saw a vid with him spewing that noise. I've sort of "had him on IGNORE" ever since, :D I don't even know if he still spouts that noise or what. Good Spingola/ZCF interview yesterday, Spingola & ZCF (Dec. 06, 2012) (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/12/06/spingola-zcf-dec-06-2012/)

Yes I know that. I mentioned the pentagon thing because you said it was the "deciding" moment for you. I know it has been for many others as well.

At some point you have to wonder how old the people are behind these websites, both owners, and commenters. A teenager commenting deserves little thought, but there is a lot of that by default. The illusion of knowledge, and lots of opinion. The underage opinionated generation is growing by leaps, and bounds.

You get a wacky website, and group of teenagers cheering it on...the whole thing self perpetuates down a rabbit hole.

It take an increasing level of discernment on order to keep your head above water on the internet these days.

Kids born even after 9/11 are getting online now, and being vocal. This trend is obviously increasing.

Something to think about.

[Serpo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5SeMtoUsXY&feature=player_embedded#http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5SeMtoUsXY&feature=player_embedded#

2 / 1:02







NEW: 9/11 Hotel Video Released of NO PLANE hitting the Pentagon!

[joboo]

^^ Don't even know what I'm looking at. Clear as mud.

....and here we go. "The wheels on the bus go round and round..."

RY did a Ron Paul. If you don't have any compelling evidence, don't err on the side of outlandish.

Good advice. Especially if you're looking to engage people, and make real change.

[Serpo]

you are looking at an explosion minus plane

[joboo]

you are looking at an explosion minus plane

I watched it again, and I actually see the reflection of something coming in from the left that looks like an airplane.

This more convinces me there was a plane than not.

....and here we go....it's happening right now. ;)

[PatColo]

Anyone know if Dawson is also a "No Planes @ WTC" advocate? That "theory" is even more idiotic than the "commercial jetliner hit the pentagon" theory!

Talk about a "Sunstein Cognitive Infiltration" gambit so obviously designed to bait honest Truthers into becoming an ineffective & irrelevant "chase our tails debating/infighting over exotic theories movement" o)(~

"9/11: The Absurdity of the No-Planes-in-New York Theory" (http://rense.com/general94/911%20-%20The%20Absurdity%20of%20the%20No-Planes-in-New%20York%20Theory.pdf) - PDF by Anthony Lawson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV4rvTxcMSY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV4rvTxcMSY


"What Has Happened To Veterans Today?" (http://rense.com/general94/vtrn.htm) - Lawson again

Conclusion from the first Lawson PDF above,


What happened, initially, in New York was obvious, because real people saw it happen, and because so many videos captured what happened to the South Tower. But, once again, the planes were not forensically identified and were almost certainly not the planes that were allegedly hijacked that morning, so the official story was a total fabrication. Although the no-planes-in-New York theorists have been recognised as either fools or monumental liars—by those who can think for themselves—they have given many a mainstream-media lackey an excuse to bundle all of those who are genuinely seeking the truth into one single category:


Foil-hatted nutters who don't even think that real planes hit the Twin Towers.


This nonsense really has to stop, and not hosting disinformationists like James H. Fetzer on otherwise serious websites will go a long way to dispel this very damaging image.

[joboo]

Anyone know if Dawson is also a "No Planes @ WTC" advocate? That "theory" is even more idiotic than the "commercial jetliner hit the pentagon" theory!

No. I'm not his promotion manager, but I would have to say he's put out some of the most coherent information in existence, of which many other people copy, and try to claim recognition.

He was linking up the data, and making connections before essentially everybody.

For ZCF to say what they say totally destroys their own credibility...brutally. Schizoid x 1000. Deep into moonbat territory.

[10 Bears]

UGH.. Me not know why people look to follow others who are obviously profiting from opening their pieholes. From Pat Robertson to Glen Beck to countless others these people are making a living on yapping. They will say what it takes to get an audience.

Me research what I want to know looking for any info or evidence and see where that leads like any good tracker. Me not go out in woods and ask locals.."You see where deer went?"

Deer leaves tracks and often bent branches of plants.. deer cannot hide from good tracker but person you ask.. They can lie and tell you deer went other way or they no see deer because they want that deer.

Alex Jones has vested interest in saying what gathers a crowd and pays his bills just like politician in campaign. To trust those of that tribe is foolish.

[chad]

UGH.. Me not know why people look to follow others who are obviously profiting from opening their pieholes. From Pat Robertson to Glen Beck to countless others these people are making a living on yapping. They will say what it takes to get an audience.

Me research what I want to know looking for any info or evidence and see where that leads like any good tracker. Me not go out in woods and ask locals.."You see where deer went?"

Deer leaves tracks and often bent branches of plants.. deer cannot hide from good tracker but person you ask.. They can lie and tell you deer went other way or they no see deer because they want that deer.

Alex Jones has vested interest in saying what gathers a crowd and pays his bills just like politician in campaign. To trust those of that tribe is foolish.

what are you, the gold duck of gs-us? lol

[joboo]

A couple loose screws running around.

[10 Bears]

what are you, the gold duck of gs-us? lol

I trust myself to make my own decisions on my own. What I hate is when a person tells me what they think and it turns out to be some talking points of some paid TV, Radio or Internet shill.

When me ask man what he thinks I want to know what HE THINKS and not what some assclown he listens to thinks.

In which case.. I know he not think at all.. He is stupid slave of media.

Me suspect you drink too much fluoride. You appear brainwashed.

[chad]

I trust myself to make my own decisions on my own. What I hate is when a person tells me what they think and it turns out to be some talking points of some paid TV, Radio or Internet shill.

When me ask man what he thinks I want to know what HE THINKS and not what some assclown he listens to thinks.

In which case.. I know he not think at all.. He is stupid slave of media.

Me suspect you drink too much fluoride. You appear brainwashed.

no, i'm referring to the talking like tonto schtick. it's way better than the gold duck. i'm cracking up over here. :D

[Cebu_4_2]

Hmm...



To trust those of that tribe is foolish.

Of what tribe are you 10 beers?

[joboo]

10 beers. LOL...

Well played.

[PatColo]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by PatColo http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?p=594469#post594469)

Anyone know if Dawson is also a "No Planes @ WTC" advocate? That "theory" is even more idiotic than the "commercial jetliner hit the pentagon" theory!

Talk about a "Sunstein Cognitive Infiltration" gambit so obviously designed to bait honest Truthers into becoming an ineffective & irrelevant "chase our tails debating/infighting over exotic theories movement" http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/smilies/300%20%28114%29.gif

No. I'm not his promotion manager, but I would have to say he's put out some of the most coherent information in existence, of which many other people copy, and try to claim recognition.

He was linking up the data, and making connections before essentially everybody.

For ZCF to say what they say totally destroys their own credibility...brutally. Schizoid x 1000. Deep into moonbat territory.

Just so we're clear then, ZCF made no "Dawson's an NP@WTC-er!" accusation against Dawson. Again:
Kosher Crybaby Ryan Dawstein: “ZCF is a Neo-Nazi Hate Site! Oy Vey!” (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/12/04/kosher-crybaby-ryan-dawstein-zcf-is-a-neo-nazi-hate-site-oy-vey/)
Kosher Crybaby, Ryan Dawson, Blows a Gasket (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/12/03/kosher-crybaby-ryan-dawson-blows-a-gasket/)

Re your "For ZCF to say what they say"... bit, is there some specific point(s) in the 2 links above which you find unfactual? http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/smilies/300%20%2824%29.gif

Again, ZCF's beef is RD dissed him using some signature ADL joospew labels. RD even accused ZCF of being an ADL front site - a telltale ploy of RD to try to "psychologically project (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2011/09/23/the-psychological-projections-of-organized-jewry/)" ;)

Re your colorful "...totally destroys their own credibility...brutally. Schizoid x 1000. Deep into moonbat territory" ad-hom/ridicule rant which you ripped into ZCF with-- it's ironic that Dawson is accused by ZCF of using ADL joospew labels, then in your attempt to come to Dawson's defense, you do so with an assortment of ad-hom joospew labels, conspicuously devoid of ref's to any specific ZCF points... quite a joowey approach (http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.ie/2011/11/some-tips-on-debating-jews.html) from you there, joobo!
\uu\

And I see in the David Cole thread, you break out the:


Thriving off anti-semitism. No doubt.

...card. What's next, you going to try to "shame" everyone by waving around the holohoax™ (http://vho.org/Intro/GB/Brochure.pdf) card? :o

Should GSUS sing you a round of "Hey Joobo (http://k002.kiwi6.com/hotlink/xl0e45fc44/hey_jew.mp3)" now? :D

[joboo]

Curious.

So how much do you know about Ry from a firsthand experience other than ZCF?

If you realized how far off base you are, you might be a bit concerned.

So he's some kind of undercover plant?

All joking aside. Are you on medication by any chance?

[PatColo]

^ good grief, it's the "...meds" gambit, talk about a joowey approach! (http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.ie/2011/11/some-tips-on-debating-jews.html)...:rolleyes:

is there some reason you chose not to address the


Kosher Crybaby Ryan Dawstein: “ZCF is a Neo-Nazi Hate Site! Oy Vey!” (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/12/04/kosher-crybaby-ryan-dawstein-zcf-is-a-neo-nazi-hate-site-oy-vey/)
Kosher Crybaby, Ryan Dawson, Blows a Gasket (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/12/03/kosher-crybaby-ryan-dawson-blows-a-gasket/)

Re your "For ZCF to say what they say"... bit, is there some specific point(s) in the 2 links above which you find unfactual? http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/smilies/300%20%2824%29.gif

...question, joobo? ???

After your colorful "...totally destroys their own credibility...brutally. Schizoid x 1000. Deep into moonbat territory" ad-hom/ridicule rant against ZCF, it would seem that some substantiation is the least you could offer... :rolleyes:

[joboo]

^ good grief, it's the "...meds" gambit, talk about a joowey approach! (http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.ie/2011/11/some-tips-on-debating-jews.html)...:rolleyes:

is there some reason you chose not to address the



...question, joobo? ???

After your colorful "...totally destroys their own credibility...brutally. Schizoid x 1000. Deep into moonbat territory" ad-hom/ridicule rant against ZCF, it would seem that some substantiation is the least you could offer... :rolleyes:


I'm asking you.

My claims on that site are already clear. It comes across to me as a bunch of paranoid delusional 15 year old's dosing mountain dew in their parents basements.

Seeing as I'm now some secret agent plant, and not to be trusted....

Why don't you tell me who, and what, Ryan Dawson is?

You're the expert apparently on ZCF, they are your articles, and I'm a secret undercover agent all of the sudden.

Spell it out for me.

[PatColo]

So how much do you know about Ry from a firsthand experience other than ZCF?

A Plane hit the Pentagon (cut away 911 truth disinfo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74qTz0oIdtI)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74qTz0oIdtI

[PatColo]

I'm asking you.

My claims on that site are already clear. It comes across to me as a bunch of paranoid delusional 15 year old's dosing mountain dew in their parents basements.

Seeing as I'm now some secret agent plant, and not to be trusted....

Why don't you tell me who, and what, Ryan Dawson is?

You're the expert apparently on ZCF, they are your articles, and I'm a secret undercover agent all of the sudden.

Spell it out for me.

more joowey ad-hom spew (http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.ie/2011/11/some-tips-on-debating-jews.html), mixed some trusty straw man gambits;

same conspicuous lack of specific ref's substantiating your joobospew.



^ good grief, it's the "...meds" gambit, talk about a joowey approach! (http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.ie/2011/11/some-tips-on-debating-jews.html)...:rolleyes:

is there some reason you chose not to address the


Kosher Crybaby Ryan Dawstein: “ZCF is a Neo-Nazi Hate Site! Oy Vey!” (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/12/04/kosher-crybaby-ryan-dawstein-zcf-is-a-neo-nazi-hate-site-oy-vey/)
Kosher Crybaby, Ryan Dawson, Blows a Gasket (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/12/03/kosher-crybaby-ryan-dawson-blows-a-gasket/)

Re your "For ZCF to say what they say"... bit, is there some specific point(s) in the 2 links above which you find unfactual? http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/smilies/300%20%2824%29.gif

...question, joobo? ???

After your colorful "...totally destroys their own credibility...brutally. Schizoid x 1000. Deep into moonbat territory" ad-hom/ridicule rant against ZCF, it would seem that some substantiation is the least you could offer... :rolleyes:

I gather your "answer" is, "no answer" then, correct joobo? :o


No. I'm not his promotion manager,

U sure?? :)

[joboo]

Nice logic. Fuck me....Ron Paul must be a Joo too. See post 12.

Do you bother reading them, or is there a short term degenerative memory condition (actually a legitimate question in trying to rationalize your behavior atm, and thought processes)

The whole world is one big conspiracy of undercover joos. Of course.

I held you in a much higher regard back since gim1 days. That has totally changed after this little row.

What a complete disappointment.

You are acting completely irrational to the point it's actually disturbing.

[PatColo]

^ your "efforts" in this row amount to a series of ad-hom fallacies, and straw-man fallacies (see Disinfo Rules #4 & #5 (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050116064744556)), combined with a conspicuous, ongoing refusal to answer a simple & valid question:


Kosher Crybaby Ryan Dawstein: “ZCF is a Neo-Nazi Hate Site! Oy Vey!” (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/12/04/kosher-crybaby-ryan-dawstein-zcf-is-a-neo-nazi-hate-site-oy-vey/)
Kosher Crybaby, Ryan Dawson, Blows a Gasket (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/12/03/kosher-crybaby-ryan-dawson-blows-a-gasket/)

Re your "For ZCF to say what they say"... bit, is there some specific point(s) in the 2 links above which you find unfactual? http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/smilies/300%20%2824%29.gif

...opting instead to try to distract & divert with yet more ad-hom & straw-man fallacies.

And then you try to joobospew: other members have "logic" & "rationality" problems... ;D

[joboo]

Ahh I get it.. The joke is on me.

Nice trolling.

I fell for it.

If you are actually serious, and not trolling. I can't even see the point you're trying to make from those two links you keep re posting.

I read them I don't get it. My answer, if you need to see it specifically, is nothing is factual. None of it makes any sense to me. It all amounts to a bunch of lies and nonsense. That is my answer.

What is the point you're trying to make?

Can you sum it up in a few sentences?

Anyone else want to jump in ? ? ? ? ? ?

?????????

[PatColo]

AI read them I don't get it. My answer, if you need to see it specifically, is nothing is factual. None of it makes any sense to me. It all amounts to a bunch of lies and nonsense. That is my answer.

Let's try this approach: You copy/paste specific line/point(s) made in each of the 2 ZCF blogs which you object to, and respond something like,



"Where ZCF claims [specific line pasted from ZCF/Dawson blogs here] is not factual/ lie/ nonsense/ totally destroys their own credibility...brutally/ Schizoid x 1000/ Deep into moonbat territory BECAUSE _________."
[where you fill in the blank with your specific, sourced explanation for why the given ZCF quote fits your negative description].


Let's see if that ^ approach can help get us through this "row"...\uu\

[joboo]

Let's try this approach: You copy/paste a specific line/point made in each of the 2 ZCF blogs, and respond something like,
"[specific line pasted from ZCF/Dawson blogs] is not factual/ lie/ nonsense/ totally destroys their own credibility...brutally/ Schizoid x 1000/ Deep into moonbat territory BECAUSE _________."
[where you fill in the blank with your specific, sourced explanation for why the given ZCF quote fits your negative description].


Let's see it that ^ approach can help get us through this "row"...\uu\

What is your confusion at this point?

I think both articles top to bottom, full stop, are lies.

BECAUSE..........they are both comprised of one outlandish nonsensical lie after another.

BECAUSE.........there is nothing in them that is factual.

BECAUSE........both links are total horseshit made up by paranoid delusional 15 year old's tweaking on mountain dew in their parents basement...which totally destroys ZCF's credibility as a source of anything worth reading by anyone with a sane mind.

Do you need further clarification?

I know I would like some, because you're coming off as one seriously batshit crazy mofo.


Now what would be nice from you is to perhaps stop being such a $%^$ goof, and have an adult conversation by letting ideas flow in both directions.

What is your contention? What is the issue?

[PatColo]

I think both articles top to bottom, full stop, are lies.

BECAUSE..........they are both comprised of one outlandish nonsensical lie after another.

BECAUSE.........there is nothing in them that is factual.

BECAUSE........both links are total horseshit made up by paranoid delusional 15 year old's tweaking on mountain dew in their parents basement...which totally destroys ZCF's credibility as a source of anything worth reading by anyone with a sane mind.

Do you need further clarification?

Since you kindly asked joobo; yes, I'm afraid I do. :|~http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/smilies/300%20%2824%29.gif

I really can't make this any more STEP BY STEP for you:


You copy/paste specific line/point(s) made in each of the 2 ZCF blogs which you object to, and respond something like,


"Where ZCF claims [specific line pasted from ZCF/Dawson blogs here] is not factual/ lie/ nonsense/ totally destroys their own credibility...brutally/ Schizoid x 1000/ Deep into moonbat territory BECAUSE _________."
[where you fill in the blank with your specific, sourced explanation for why the given ZCF quote fits your negative description].



So, no more broad-brush "top to bottom" generalities... but rather SPECIFIC, copy/pasted lines which you then SPECIFICALLY REFUTE INCLUDING ANY SOURCES SUBSTANTIATING YOUR REFUTATION.

MMMMKAY? OO)~

[joboo]

"This Kosher Klown just keeps sinking deeper and deeper into his bowl of rotten gefilte fish."

Idiotic 15yr old nonsensical rhetoric.

In his latest video Dawson actually claims that “nobody” listens to people like me. That’s funny because the website stats tell a different story (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/11/28/zion-running-scared-zcf-now-among-top-ranked-truth-sites/). According to the data, FAR more people are coming to my site than that of Ryan Dawson.

Sorry my apologies. This could be true. And this lends credibility to what exactly other than ZCF likes to brag about penis stat size. Very impressive.

"Along with the Jew censors who are responsible for shutting this site down twice, Dawson has egg on his face. Dawson wields the term “neo-nazi” like the ADL does, he calls people “anti-Semitic” and “bigots” like the ADL does, yet actually has the nerve to assert that my site is a “front” for the ADL!

Are there broad-brush racist people in the world like Ry claims? Hate to break it to you man, but yes there most definitely is. Welcome to planet earth.

"This is standard schizoid Jew doublethink at its finest."

More 15yr old Baseless accusation. Mere opinion.So compelling. Awards for journalistic excellence forthcoming.


Link #2

"Ryan Dawson (http://www.youtube.com/user/Rys2sense) purports to be an “anti-neocon” activist. Anyone who has done the necessary research into what “neoconservatism” is all about could tell you that the term “neocon” is nothing more than a euphemism for Jew."

Every neocon is a Jew? Really? More fallacious idiocy.

"Dawson recently had a major chimp-out on his forum (http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?p=184961&sid=1bf4cb885ceed061ba5b319b43ea3e2f#p184961) which nearly caused him to choke on his crispy fillet of gefilte fish.

Idiotic childish accusation.

"Using classic ADL verbiage, this dedicated servant of Zion screeched, Ry says: “Its you closet anti-semetic chicken shits and outright bigots that feed the zionist system and victimhood status. You’re just as fucking stupid as they are apologizing for nazis”.

This is the truth. You yourself just posted a video of David Cole saying the same thing.

"Dawson later wails about how “anti-Semites” have ‘hijacked’ his 9/11 research, stating: “Mother fuckers hijacked my 911 theory and just add jew jew jew to it. These are the discrediting pukes that push people away from supporting social justice in Palestine in Syria etc.”

And Ry would be right about that, because that is what happened.

snip...

That's as far as I'm going to take this pathetic experience. Being Jewish, and following the Zionist political ideology are two different realities, and they are quickly differentiating.

If you think every Jew is a Zionist perhaps you need to get out of the basement your mind is in, and go meet some real people in the world outside of a computer screen.

If you think otherwise, then it's painfully obvious what you're really about along with these two ZCF fansite articles.

Good luck with your ZCF broad-brush racist nonsense. You'll be spinning your wheels while more intelligent people affect real change in the world by appealing to a broader audience with a far more common sense approach.

I bet you thought Ron Paul could have made it all the way if he only he espoused more blanket joo, and no plane pentagon conspiracy talk.

Good grief. What a waste of time.

[10 Bears]

Not know what you refer to.. my language.
You maybe racist?

[joboo]

Not know what you refer to.. my language.
You maybe racist?

Are you still humming along at 10 beers, or have you upgraded to 18?

Teeth floating yet?

[10 Bears]

no, i'm referring to the talking like tonto schtick. it's way better than the gold duck. i'm cracking up over here. :D

If I say in my language you are bout to be hit by bus do you move or bust out laughing at accent? Me think I know answer but enlighten me please.

Everyone have online personality. I go with ancestor representation. 10 Bears parents ashamed of family Oklahoma red roots. One should never feel shame for roots. One need only embrace ancestry as big part of who they are.

I see I am not welcome here.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

The video in the OP really makes some good points about Alex Jones.







Edit:

I do not think that anybody has the right to judge if another is "allowed" to post here. I enjoy speaking with new people and I don't feel like I should have to be here all the time to be nice and reasonable in order to have the privilege of doing so. In other words, it is rude (towards people like me) of the charter members to run new posters off for little or no reason.


People are responding more to your presence and less to your ideas and statements and that is sad.


I see I am not welcome here.

You can join me in never having known, in my whole life, if I am fully welcome anywhere.

[joboo]

All ZCF is saying is Ry is too moderate, and not racist, and bigoted enough for them.

That's pretty rich.

PC deserves a good hard punch in the nuts for acting like an infant, and insisting that glaring reality be drawn out in detail.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

He really condemns everyone across the board. He knows a lot of history. He was right regarding his conclusions on WWI & II , Japan, Korea, Viet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGua8eGNyu0&list=UU1vTH0ByVIcIOB83FbvHP7Q& index=3

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

http://youtu.be/DyqP-iB9wLE?t=2m29s

And I love the clips of him at city hail railing the location government about their privatization of formerly public parks

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

damn i just keep listening to these, they're great


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXV_8oOeeOE&list=UU1vTH0ByVIcIOB83FbvHP7Q& index=18

call them by their names. don't call them the "main"stream parties. refer to them as what they are. don't legitimize them by calling them main.

corporate propaganda, state run television,

[Neuro]

If I say in my language you are bout to be hit by bus do you move or bust out laughing at accent? Me think I know answer but enlighten me please.

Everyone have online personality. I go with ancestor representation. 10 Bears parents ashamed of family Oklahoma red roots. One should never feel shame for roots. One need only embrace ancestry as big part of who they are.

I see I am not welcome here.
Damn you are sensitive! So you think writing in the imperfect English some of your ancestors may have spoken, actually somehow honors them? They managed to learn a language in a basic form which was not their mother tongue to be able to communicate with the white man, you decide to revert back to that?

I know I would be very angry with my children if they reverted to speaking the very imperfect Turkish I speak, especially if they did it for the purpose of honoring me. I think there are better ways of honoring your ancestors, maybe make an effort in learning their native tongue?

[PatColo]

"This Kosher Klown just keeps sinking deeper and deeper into his bowl of rotten gefilte fish."

Idiotic 15yr old nonsensical rhetoric.

hmmm interesting characterization. Curious, how do you characterize such rhetoric as:


totally destroys their own credibility...brutally. Schizoid x 1000. Deep into moonbat territory
A couple loose screws running around
Are you on medication by any chance?
a bunch of paranoid delusional 15 year old's dosing mountain dew in their parents basements
Fuck me....Ron Paul must be a Joo too
short term degenerative memory condition
comprised of one outlandish nonsensical lie after another
total horseshit made up by paranoid delusional 15 year old's tweaking on mountain dew in their parents basement
seriously batshit crazy mofo
likes to brag about penis stat size
fallacious idiocy
Idiotic childish accusationbroad-brush racist nonsense
more blanket joo, and no plane pentagon conspiracy talk


joobo?? Are YOU ^ really standing in judgement of another's "Idiotic 15yr old nonsensical rhetoric" ???


In his latest video Dawson actually claims that “nobody” listens to people like me. That’s funny because the website stats tell a different story. According to the data, FAR more people are coming to my site than that of Ryan Dawson.

Sorry my apologies. This could be true. And this lends credibility to what exactly other than ZCF likes to brag about penis stat size. Very impressive.

Big of you to admit. See, this 'specific quote > refutation' approach is already bearing fruit. You've backed off your former "top to bottom lies..." position.

Where does your nonsensical "... ZCF likes to brag about penis stat size" ad-hom attack come from, though?? ???


"Along with the Jew censors who are responsible for shutting this site down twice, Dawson has egg on his face. Dawson wields the term “neo-nazi” like the ADL does, he calls people “anti-Semitic” and “bigots” like the ADL does, yet actually has the nerve to assert that my site is a “front” for the ADL!

Are there broad-brush racist people in the world like Ry claims? Hate to break it to you man, but yes there most definitely is. Welcome to planet earth.

In your soapboxing about "racists" in our misdsts, you totally dodged the most important, material element from that snip: Ryan's choice to accuse ZCF of being a “front” for the ADL! :o


"This is standard schizoid Jew doublethink at its finest."

More 15yr old Baseless accusation. Mere opinion.So compelling. Awards for journalistic excellence forthcoming.

More astounding hypocrisy, similar to the 'rhetoric' question at the top of this post. It only took us around 10 volleys into this "row" before you finally broke from your former insistance on casting only "Baseless accusation. Mere opinion." Twas really compelling while it lasted though, awards for messageboard excellence forthcoming!


"Ryan Dawson purports to be an “anti-neocon” activist. Anyone who has done the necessary research into what “neoconservatism” is all about could tell you that the term “neocon” is nothing more than a euphemism for Jew."

Every neocon is a Jew? Really? More fallacious idiocy.

Did ZCF *SAY* "Every neocon is a Jew" ?? No, he didn't. Really. More fallacious straw-man joobospew. ::)

And you skipped the next part where ZCF substantiates his statement with publicly documented admissions from neocon jooz. Anyone paying attention knows that neocons are "joosh/zionist/izzy bankster interests firsters", incl both jooz and their trusted gentile sycophants.


"Dawson later wails about how “anti-Semites” have ‘hijacked’ his 9/11 research, stating: “Mother fuckers hijacked my 911 theory and just add jew jew jew to it. These are the discrediting pukes that push people away from supporting social justice in Palestine in Syria etc.”

And Ry would be right about that, because that is what happened.

... meanwhile you curiously omitted what ZCF went on to say:


Dawson arrogantly claims ownership of the theory that Israel did 9/11, saying that it is “his theory.” Problem is he was not the first to suggest that Israel was behind 9/11 — that would be the journalist Christopher Bollyn, who Dawson has also trashed as an “anti-Semite.”




Good grief. What a waste of time.

Oh, now don't be such a pouty-face! :(

You've made great progress in this "row", and can now savor the feeling of being a couple notches smarter WRT your Dreamy-Ry-Dawson Fangirl-ism. I know I know, he's boyishly handsome; that rich brown moptop hair, bangs down to his thick swarthy eyebrows, crowning his soulful basset hound eyes; that stoner tone & cadence with which he speaks of anti-racism & bigotry & condemns anti-Shlomoites... your crush on Ry is understandable joobo!! :)&

[PatColo]

Everyone have online personality. I go with ancestor representation. 10 Bears parents ashamed of family Oklahoma red roots. One should never feel shame for roots. One need only embrace ancestry as big part of who they are.

12 Pack, you may enjoy this podcast - I did!

Mark Glenn's The Ugly Truth Broadcast Dec 5, 2012 (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2012/12/mark-glenns-ugly-truth-broadcast-dec-5.html)

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwkrcrBVM61qfwyc9o1_500.jpg (http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwkrcrBVM61qfwyc9o1_500.jpg)
We are joined by Native America activist Val Shadowhawk as we discuss the parallels between the Zionism of today and what was done to the indigineous peoples of America by Europeans. Show-page (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/tut-broadcast-dec-5-2012/)


Download MP3 (http://blogtalk.vo.llnwd.net/o23/show/4/110/show_4110959.mp3)

[joboo]

It's ok. Pat, I get it.

You like the one off racist tinfoil hat nutter sites. Everyone knows it.

There's not enough racist bigoted bullshit to butter your bread with. No problem.

And you know what you can do with that infantile condescending attitude right?

But hey actions speak louder than words. Keep pretending you're not what you're acting like.

Like there's not enough 15yr old tinfoil hat rhetoric fanboys bouncing around on the internet these days. ;)

[optionT]

PatColo, you do a hell of a job exposing the consipiracies and you're one of the top contributors here! Don't let the them grind ya down, we've lost too many lately.

[joboo]

PatColo, you do a hell of a job exposing the consipiracies and you're one of the top contributors here! Don't let the them grind ya down, we've lost too many lately.

Dude, the bigotry angle is not going to work.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

The Zion Crime Factory! The name alone smacks of blatant tinfoil hat stupidity. Some ADL moron in denial made this site.

Pat is actually pulling an ADL tactic here, and doing a reverse psychology by fueling the racist hatred against all Jews angle by promoting a racist hate speech site.

Hand out some more ADL ammunition....great job. Why not just give them money directly?

I'm surprised I need to spell it out for some people.

[10 Bears]

12 pack, you may enjoy this podcast - i did!

mark glenn's the ugly truth broadcast dec 5, 2012 (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2012/12/mark-glenns-ugly-truth-broadcast-dec-5.html)

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwkrcrbvm61qfwyc9o1_500.jpg (http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwkrcrbvm61qfwyc9o1_500.jpg)
we are joined by native america activist val shadowhawk as we discuss the parallels between the zionism of today and what was done to the indigineous peoples of america by europeans. show-page (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/tut-broadcast-dec-5-2012/)


download mp3 (http://blogtalk.vo.llnwd.net/o23/show/4/110/show_4110959.mp3)


ugh.....

[PatColo]

ugh.....

imagining that's "ugh" in the good way :D here's another, same guest

Sunday, December 9, 2012

The Victory Hour with Max French Dec 8, 2012 (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-victory-hour-with-max-french-dec-8.html)

Max is joined by American Native activist Val Shadowhawk as they discuss the shared history of their peoples and the historic alliance now happening in the battle against supremacist Jewry.

Show-page (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/12/09/the-victory-hour-with-max-french-dec-8-2012/)

Download MP3 (http://blogtalk.vo.llnwd.net/o23/show/4/121/show_4121255.mp3)

[joboo]

Still the towing the blanket racism card eh?

Keep on spewing that garbage intention while hoping something positive comes out of it?

You know what the definition of insanity is right?

[Neuro]

Still the towing the blanket racism card eh?

Keep on spewing that garbage intention while hoping something positive comes out of it?

You know what the definition of insanity is right?
You are repeating yourself... ;)

[joboo]

You are repeating yourself... ;)

It's worth repeating.

Some people want to make progress but can't think one step ahead of their actions.

[Blink]

It's worth repeating.

Some people want to make progress but can't think one step ahead of their actions.


Do you ever get the feeling that "your" the only one here supporting "your" cause. If we are idiots in need of "your" enlightening we wouldn't be here in the first place, we'd be in front of the zionist media rotting our brains out. I think "we're" (GSUS members) smart enough to know who pumping racist propaganda and who's trying to shed the light on the dark places. Thanks for your concern. For what its worth, on this page alone, Pat continues to post relevant info to dissect and discuss while all I see from you is name calling. Your really not proving "any" point..........

[joboo]

Do you ever get the feeling that "your" the only one here supporting "your" cause. If we are idiots in need of "your" enlightening we wouldn't be here in the first place, we'd be in front of the zionist media rotting our brains out. I think "we're" (GSUS members) smart enough to know who pumping racist propaganda and who's trying to shed the light on the dark places. Thanks for your concern. For what its worth, on this page alone, Pat continues to post relevant info to dissect and discuss while all I see from you is name calling. Your really not proving "any" point..........

Really? You don't see the point?

You honestly think you can label an entire group of people with ongoing hateful rhetoric, and not polarize them as a whole into an opposing force against you?

Do you think it's possible to genocide an entire group of people free, and clear of consequences, or do you realize in the end nobody is ultimately going anywhere, and everyone has to manage together?

[joboo]

Some people hate the game so much, they hate every single player as well.

Understandable, but ultimately incredibly stupid, and destined for failure.

Those types of people aren't particularly bright, and what does history say about them?

[midnight rambler]

and not polarize them as a whole into an opposing force against you?


They're already polarized and it's been that way forever - it's in their DNA. lololololol

"the Synagogue of Satan"

"those who call themselves Jews but are not"

"ye are of your father the devil"

[joboo]

They're already polarized and it's been that way forever - it's in their DNA. lololololol

"the Synagogue of Satan"

"those who call themselves Jews but are not"

"ye are of your father the devil"

They are one step ahead for a long time now. Year 2012. Witness the result.

Playing into the already well established victim hood status elicits sympathy, and it's been incredibly effective.

People need to start getting smarter, and start addressing specifically what the problem is, and that's only available today by going the political route.

The political ideology is the issue.

Any attempt to broad stroke everything is only going to polarize everyone against you, and isolate yourself from any legitimate political forum.....which is the arena of resolution.

It's 100% self defeating. You have to appeal to reason, or it's just a big waste of time.

Right now we have an endless merry go round, because some people insist on radicalizing potential allies, and moderates, into opposition.

[joboo]

^^ Anyone want to prove the above wrong?

Calling all brains...

[midnight rambler]

The political ideology is the issue.

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." --Chairman Mao


You have to appeal to reason, or it's just a big waste of time.

"Law is reason free from passion." --Aristotle

"Force shites upon Reason's back." --Benjamin Franklin

[joboo]

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." --Chairman Mao



"Law is reason free from passion." --Aristotle

"Force shites upon Reason's back." --Benjamin Franklin


So the solution to the problem is kill everything that opposes?

Do you actually think this is even possible?

Isn't that what the whole "warrr on terrrrrr" is?

How close is that to being a success?

[Horn]

Where's I am Free, I am me when you need him, rambler? :)

I can understand your angle, joboo. But critique is one thing, blame always has 3 fingers pointing back at you.

Trying to join the clans you will be revealed as the lightbringer, and labeled as a spade. Trying to connect dots to your past heritage, and find something to be grateful for and is appreciated by everyone.

10 bears should not be ashamed, it is his own doing.

There that is might light for the day, you will have to wait for the moon so i can reflect more. :)

[joboo]

Where's I am Free, I am me when you need him, rambler? :)

I can understand your angle, joboo. But critique is one thing, blame always has 3 fingers pointing back at you.

Trying to join the clans you will be revealed as the lightbringer, and labeled as a spade. Trying to connect dots to your past heritage, and find something to be grateful for and is appreciated by everyone.

10 bears should not be ashamed, it is his own doing.

There that is might light for the day, you will have to wait for the moon so i can reflect more. :)

Sorry man, opinion is one thing, but it's just not going do it.

Can you dismantle post #63?

[joboo]

Better still, invade how many countries to "oust the enemy"? Literally every country on earth (pls see existing "werrr on terrrrrrr" methodology and massive failures thereof).

So what's the method again?

Force or reason?


....calling all big brains.

[midnight rambler]

So the solution to the problem is kill everything that opposes?

Do you actually think this is even possible?

Isn't that what the whole "warrr on terrrrror" is?

How close is that to being a success?

I'm not talking about 'converting' any 'infidels', I'm simply referring to (the defense of) the power to say 'no' aka consent.

Would you fuck with a honey badger?? The king of the jungle knows better, least the king of the jungle end up being dinner (or breakfast) for the honey badger.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhpjadJTRZY

[Horn]

If you speak to a jew you will notice a primary & strongest trait is shame of their ancestors. It could be said that if you take on that trait you could be construe as jew. IMO The notion of an unreal jews as Lucifer has to go, for sure. Because then your left with real escape jews who are even more ashamed, then still setup on a pedestal as chosen for their shame and fear of claim.

But then again its only an opinion.

At least an attempt made by ancestors to run from a Holy brutal & murderous, Lucifer creating Jew Europe.

But then should that create shame from their failure to do so, because they looked like idiots sometimes trying to forge a new path of freedom.

I say No, at least we are free to choose these days.

[joboo]

I'm not talking about 'converting' any 'infidels', I'm simply referring to (the defense of) the power to say 'no' aka consent.

Would you fuck with a honey badger?? The king of the jungle knows better, least the king of the jungle end up being dinner (or breakfast) for the honey badger.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhpjadJTRZY




So then using reason over force is the correct path.

[Neuro]

So the solution to the problem is kill everything that opposes?

Do you actually think this is even possible?

Isn't that what the whole "warrr on terrrrrr" is?

How close is that to being a success?
It is a success as long as it continues. The object of the war is to continue, not to be won...

[joboo]

If it's impossible to eradicate something through force, then you have to use reason as the only tool left available.

Today that is the global political arena in a highly interconnected, and increasingly communicative world.

In order to do well in that political arena it's imperative to possess a clean record (i.e. no fringe associations, drugs, hookers, scandals, and the like).

Being perceived as impartial, fair, and honest is most effective way to engage the highest level of reason on a majority scale.

In the past brute force was still an option, (no internet, video cams, and cell phones).

That all has changed. It's a different game.

[joboo]

It is a success as long as it continues. The object of the war is to continue, not to be won...

I suppose the question is how long before way too many people are unable to find work only to pay 75+% taxes just to keep it going?

Then, after all the dust settles, one group is still going revert back to wanting that exclusive little spot of land based upon the same political ideology.

The only conclusion I'm seeing is the "force" of reason has to be applied, on a majority scale, to a political ideology.


How else?

[vacuum]

If it's impossible to eradicate something through force, then you have to use reason as the only tool left available.

Whether it's force or reason, it seems to me that fundamentally you're still fighting it. In one case it's a war with guns, in another case it's a war of books, media, academia, etc. I can't say if these are truly different or not, but I think that it's possible they're pretty close.

The third option is to disengage. It's like a puzzle that is impossible to solve, like that star trek episode where they download this impossible math problem into the borg's ship to disable them. Instead of trying to find a "solution", through force or ideology, just simply don't answer the question. Make it irrelevant by not relying on it. Don't allow it to consume all your free time and thinking. Don't support it.

Time itself will solve the problem, as long as the feedback loop is broken.

[joboo]

Whether it's force or reason, it seems to me that fundamentally you're still fighting it. In one case it's a war with guns, in another case it's a war of books, media, academia, etc. I can't say if these are truly different or not, but I think that it's possible they're pretty close.

The third option is to disengage. It's like a puzzle that is impossible to solve, like that star trek episode where they download this impossible math problem into the borg's ship to disable them. Instead of trying to find a "solution", through force or ideology, just simply don't answer the question. Make it irrelevant by not relying on it. Don't allow it to consume all your free time and thinking. Don't support it.

Time itself will solve the problem, as long as the feedback loop is broken.

Agree 100% disengage. Bang on the money.

I just went on a Star Trek next gen download fest the other day, so I'll be revisiting that episode shortly ;)

I think the only available force of reason (or the quickest one) is to highlight the racial discrepancies of an apartheid state by distancing yourself, as far as possible.

Disengage from that type of behavior, and follow that trend through until completion.

Make it stick out like a sore thumb. A failed ideology. Bad policy.

I mean, what are the odds of South Africa being able to get back to their version, in any great capacity, before too many people object, and intervene?

It all goes back to my original argument.

[Horn]

Today that is the global political arena in a highly interconnected, and increasingly communicative world.

In order to do well in that political arena it's imperative to possess a clean record (i.e. no fringe associations, drugs, hookers, scandals, and the like).

Now one is forced to ask, what you've been smokin?

Politicians aren't worth a hill of beans anymore, they're bought & paid for by criminal enterprise interests.Yes, they must be washed before boot licking.

Its an inside job, one to be followed through example of disassociation, "a seige of the system".

Alex has bills to pay, but could be done thru reasonable advertising, not koolaid.

[midnight rambler]

So then using reason over force is the correct path.

Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep vote on 'what's for dinner?'.

Democracy is being forced down the throats of the unarmed at the point of a sword, the armed don't have that issue.

Ultimately it's just as ol' Ben Franklin said: Force shits upon Reason's back.

[joboo]

Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep vote on 'what's for dinner?'.

Democracy is being forced down the throats of the unarmed at the point of a sword, the armed don't have that issue.

Ultimately it's just as ol' Ben Franklin said: Force shits upon Reason's back.


Agreed, but Mr Frankin was living in a different era where force could be used without everyone around the world knowing about it in a matter of minutes. There was no alternate media, and means for everyone to communicate globally, and at great length collectively.

The game has changed. Pretty much anyone in the world can record events taking place, and make them available for everyone to witness, and go viral.

[vacuum]

Agreed, but Mr Frankin was living in a different era where force could be used without everyone around the world knowing about it in a matter of minutes. There was no alternate media, and means for everyone to communicate globally, and at great length collectively.

The game has changed. Pretty much anyone in the world can record events taking place, and make them available for everyone to witness, and go viral.

Good point. But that's not really reason, it's simply awareness. Awareness transcends reason....think about it: if you knew everything, logical deduction would be pointless. You'd simply already know the answer. It's like the memory vs processing tradeoff in computing. You don't need to use the processor if you can instead use tons of memory, for certain problems. In the same way, we don't need to use faulty human reasoning and logic as much once information transfer and the knowledge pool becomes vast enough.

[joboo]

Now one is forced to ask, what you've been smokin?

Politicians aren't worth a hill of beans anymore, they're bought & paid for by criminal enterprise interests.Yes, they must be washed before boot licking.

Its an inside job, one to be followed through example of disassociation, "a seige of the system".

Alex has bills to pay, but could be done thru reasonable advertising, not koolaid.


Yes, and some politicians conceal all this very well, and when any of those traits are discovered, and made apparent, (fringe behavior, racism, scandal, drugs, etc...), it's very much a career ending reality.

Look at what Clinton got impeached over. How did they try to ruin Ron Paul? Racism, and fringe behavior.

The whole process feeds off those who willingly perpetuate the intolerance, and hatred. Why keep feeding it? Why keep legitimizing it?

Disengage from that type of behavior from a public perspective at the very least.

[joboo]

Good point. But that's not really reason, it's simply awareness. Awareness transcends reason....think about it: if you knew everything, logical deduction would be pointless. You'd simply already know the answer. It's like the memory vs processing tradeoff in computing. You don't need to use the processor if you can instead use tons of memory, for certain problems. In the same way, we don't need to use faulty human reasoning and logic as much once information transfer and the knowledge pool becomes vast enough.

Agree. Once enough people become aware of the situation, the crisis is averted by default.

The situation has to be clearly defined though. Any grey areas of contention (indecisiveness) seem to infinitely prolong the process.

For example: Spray paint a certain logo, or death threat, on a wall then claim someone else did it to elicit public outrage, and sympathy. It's a very effective tactic.

But, what's even better, is if other people do it for you willingly, and also make 24/7 websites (much higher visibility) where people go nuts burning witches all day long based on identity rather than policy.

That reality (aka part of the equation) has to be removed.

[Horn]

The whole process feeds off those who willingly perpetuate the intolerance, and hatred. Why keep feeding it? Why keep legitimizing it?

Disengage from that type of behavior from a public perspective at the very least.

Call it tough Love,

Typically imagining and expecting the worse will get you it, The Lucifer reference is that example.

Creating fantasy characters called Lucifer "pure evil" then comparing real folks to them could be considered hate, but tolerance for human sacrifice is not on the menu to be tolerated.

Also along those lines, condoning an ethnic cleansing of Palestine will get you hated, just as will removing all the jewish bankers from central Europe.

What good has all the "free & open" communication got you there? I'll be damned if you are asking for a world of hate & Lucifer going down either path.

Something that those using the reference Lucifer should be reminded of is in video below. What you want with pointing, you will be reciprocated with in spades.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fuDDqU6n4o

[vacuum]

I think they key is to spread awareness without proposing any solution or action to be taken. Time is on our side, not theirs. If we are able to avoid being baited into fighting them, their position becomes more and more untenable.

I like palani's advice: say whatever you want as long as there is a question mark at the end. Don't say "Israel is a rogue state." Say "Why is Israel allowed to have nuclear weapons, but Iran isn't?" "Why haven't they signed the non proliferation treaty?" "Why do we give them so much money?"

This does two things. It spreads awareness and it buys time, the two key things we need.

Statements can be argued. Positions are taken. There are two sides which fight about the issue, maybe more. The statement serves as the beginning of a line of reasoning, which usually has faulty and or bad conclusions. Don't make statements, just ask questions. Give no opinion.

[Horn]

Why is Israel allowed to ethnically cleanse Palestine, but Hitler was not allowed to clean Europe?

Too direct?

Maybe Alex Jones could form the question better?

[Serpo]

Why is Israel allowed to ethnically cleanse Palestine, but Hitler was not allowed to clean Europe?

Too direct?

Maybe Alex Jones could form the question better?


It is questionable....

[Horn]

It is questionable....

As is this;


'Mossad continues to use UK passports'

English, French nationals who moved to Israel and joined IDF tell British daily a 'sexy woman' convinced them to lend their passports to Mossad; say passports returned to them a few months later with stamps from countries they never visited

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4188629,00.html

and this;




Position of Arab-Palestinians

In January 2012, the Supreme Court of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_Israel) upheld a law banning Palestinians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians) who marry Israelis from gaining Israeli citizenship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_citizenship)

[PatColo]

Alex has bills to pay, but could be done thru reasonable advertising, not koolaid.

that still didn't stop AJ from peddling Tangy Tangerine KoolAid - while suggesting his listeners could make "7 figures" doing the same (apparently it's some sort of MLM setup :D).

Amazing health benefits of Beyond Tangy Tangerine!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9iLkNFPZrI

[PatColo]

ZCF with his usual rhetorical flair, click image for bigger,


Rabbi Ryan Dawstein Brags: “My Family Killed Nazis for Zion During WWII” (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2013/01/02/rabbi-ryan-dawstein-brags-my-family-killed-nazis-for-zion-during-wwii/)

Posted on January 2, 2013 (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2013/01/02/rabbi-ryan-dawstein-brags-my-family-killed-nazis-for-zion-during-wwii/) by ZionCrimeFactory (http://zioncrimefactory.com/author/admin/)
The good rabbi, Ryan Dawstein, has been caught boastfully bragging on Facebook that members of his family loyally served Zion during the Second World War by kosher-slaughtering heroic German National Socialist soldiers and thus actively took part in bringing about the tyrannical Jew World Order (http://zioncrimefactory.com/jew-world-order/) that is enveloping the globe. Mr. Dawstein is very proud to be a descendant of footsoldiers of Zion and Jew World Order facilitators.

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Click image to witness the rabbi speak his filth

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3. A Real History Lesson For Misguided “Truthers” (http://zioncrimefactory.com/?p=239)
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[PatColo]

a few recent pieces re AJ:

first 2 are from Prof James Tracy's blog:


October 3, 2013 (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/10/03/with-disinfo-wars-project-censored-abandons-principles/)
With “Disinfo Wars” Project Censored Abandons Principles (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/10/03/with-disinfo-wars-project-censored-abandons-principles/) 104 (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/10/03/with-disinfo-wars-project-censored-abandons-principles/#comments) Home (http://memoryholeblog.com/category/home/) • Tags: academe (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/academe/), alternative media (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/alternative-media/), censorship (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/censorship/), journalism (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/journalism/), news media (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/news-media/)
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Project Censored (PC), the news criticism organization made up of scholars, journalists, and activists that annually researches and selects stories overlooked or ignored by mainstream news media, has recently published a lengthy article on its website, titled, “Disinfo Wars: Alex Jones’ War on Your Mind (http://www.projectcensored.org/disinfo-wars-alex-jones-war-mind/),” by Nolan Higdon.[1]
More… (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/10/03/with-disinfo-wars-project-censored-abandons-principles/#more-6295)



October 9, 2013 (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/10/09/disinfo-wars-author-responds/)
“Disinfo Wars” Author Responds (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/10/09/disinfo-wars-author-responds/) 76 (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/10/09/disinfo-wars-author-responds/#comments) Guest Posts (http://memoryholeblog.com/category/guest-posts/) • Tags: 9/11 (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/911/), academe (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/academe/), alternative media (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/alternative-media/), censorship (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/censorship/), journalism (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/journalism/), news media (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/news-media/)
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(Received October 8, 2013)
Following the publication of my article, “DisinfoWars: Alex Jones War on Your Mind (http://www.projectcensored.org/disinfo-wars-alex-jones-war-mind/),” I was disheartened to read a blazing critique of the piece and Project Censored–who published it–from James Tracy. Given that we both worked on Censored 2014: Fearless Speech in Fateful Times, which was released just a few days before his critique, I would have assumed Tracy would have contacted Project Censored or me about the release of his article: “With ‘Disinfo Wars’ Project Censored Abandons Principles (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/10/03/with-disinfo-wars-project-censored-abandons-principles/).” However, he did not and consequently released a critique chock-full of omissions and distortions.
More… (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/10/09/disinfo-wars-author-responds/#more-6465)

_______________

Next from another author, A. Anglin:



Tuesday, October 15, 2013
Alex Jones Remains Silent on Golden Dawn Crackdown (http://www.totalfascism.com/alex-jones-remains-silent-on-golden-dawn-crackdown/#more-4096)
Posted on October 8, 2013 (http://www.totalfascism.com/alex-jones-remains-silent-on-golden-dawn-crackdown/) by Andrew Anglin (http://www.totalfascism.com/author/andre/)
http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Communist-Jewlover-Alex-Jones-Rages-Over-the-Fact-that-America-is-Not-Yet-Under-Communism.jpg (http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Communist-Jewlover-Alex-Jones-Rages-Over-the-Fact-that-America-is-Not-Yet-Under-Communism.jpg)

Alex Jones is not going to save America. Someone else is going to have to do it.



When we do a search of Alex Jones’ ‘Infowars (http://infowars.com/)‘ website for the term ‘Golden Dawn,’ we get three results, all of which are articles from 2012, which frame the party as “Neo-Nazis” who “threaten democracy.”

How interesting it is that Mr. Jones, who speaks incessantly about the importance of “freedom” and “patriotism” has chosen to remain completely silent, not simply on the meteoric rise of the party, but also on the Soviet-style shakedown of the Golden Dawn. Even as the mainstream international media is keeping close tabs on the situation in Greece, with dozens of articles being posted every day at major English-language outlets, Jones has yet to utter the party’s name.

READ THE REST HERE (http://www.totalfascism.com/alex-jones-remains-silent-on-golden-dawn-crackdown/#more-4096)

[PatColo]

a few recent pieces re AJ:

first 2 are from Prof James Tracy's blog:


October 3, 2013 (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/10/03/with-disinfo-wars-project-censored-abandons-principles/)
With “Disinfo Wars” Project Censored Abandons Principles (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/10/03/with-disinfo-wars-project-censored-abandons-principles/) 104 (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/10/03/with-disinfo-wars-project-censored-abandons-principles/#comments)

Home (http://memoryholeblog.com/category/home/) • Tags: academe (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/academe/), alternative media (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/alternative-media/), censorship (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/censorship/), journalism (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/journalism/), news media (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/news-media/)
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTcy2fbDjPoPfqVGQOLUZzVEEIsVjWSW SD1_klgG7z08vjhpLq0XA

Project Censored (PC), the news criticism organization made up of scholars, journalists, and activists that annually researches and selects stories overlooked or ignored by mainstream news media, has recently published a lengthy article on its website, titled, “Disinfo Wars: Alex Jones’ War on Your Mind (http://www.projectcensored.org/disinfo-wars-alex-jones-war-mind/),” by Nolan Higdon.[1]
More… (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/10/03/with-disinfo-wars-project-censored-abandons-principles/#more-6295)



October 9, 2013 (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/10/09/disinfo-wars-author-responds/)
“Disinfo Wars” Author Responds (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/10/09/disinfo-wars-author-responds/) 76 (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/10/09/disinfo-wars-author-responds/#comments)
[...]


Really good discussion here with Kevin Barrett & the above article's author. I was waiting for the yarmulke-wearing elephant in the room to be discussed, which finally began @ 42:00. KBarrett noted that Project Censored is also weak in this area.

To listen you must use the player console at http://noliesradio.org/archives/70769 (http://noliesradio.org/archives/70769). It's 1 hour comm free. From KB's radio blog:


Project Censored's Nolan Higdon defends his critique of Alex Jones (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2013/10/project-censoreds-nolan-higdon-defends.html)
Broadcast Monday 10/28/13 10-11 a.m. Central (1500 GMT) on (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&docid=8SlZWn0ZnEdILM&tbnid=ZJH6C3YE3-42cM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.iwpeace.com%2Fnews%2F2371&ei=D8dmUtCjKOm4yAGZ9IGQCA&bvm=bv.55123115,d.aWc&psig=AFQjCNGLc5O6MXX49k63wwCLc1a_UBxtXQ&ust=1382553728335183)NoLiesRadio.org (http://noliesradio.org/), archived here (http://noliesradio.org/archives/category/archived-shows/kevin-barrett-show).
[...]
http://www.anairhoads.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Project-Censored.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&docid=6WfE1TS7dHtscM&tbnid=FRkSyJSgnNUOpM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.anairhoads.org%2F%3Fp%3D3980&ei=TE5pUp2QBomqkQeBk4Bw&bvm=bv.55123115,d.b2I&psig=AFQjCNG7jz5MjfjaEGIT0lE7nb9G8W2IKQ&ust=1382719426191298)

Guest: Nolan Higdon of Project Censored, (http://projectcensored.org/) who slammed Alex Jones in his recent article:
Disinfo Wars: Alex Jones’ War on Your Mind (http://www.projectcensored.org/disinfo-wars-alex-jones-war-mind/)

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/285/02/285-0223120245-alexjones.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&docid=iIt1m7M-5ZOqvM&tbnid=iLLK7GyvIn4NjM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freedomsphoenix.com%2FArticle %2F065435-2010-02-23-alex-jones-debra-medina-betrays-9-11-truth-movement.htm&ei=qE9pUuuwMcmfkQem3IA4&bvm=bv.55123115,d.b2I&psig=AFQjCNHdu63A8bkr6Km5Ae0_1tE-rCyCzw&ust=1382719737246227)


Alex Jones has led 9/11 truth protests at Ground Zero on 9/11 anniveraries





James Tracy, the professor at (censored) University who has been battling the forces of censorship at (censored) University, thought Higdon's attack on Jones was out of line, and responded:

With “Disinfo Wars” Project Censored Abandons Principles (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/10/03/with-disinfo-wars-project-censored-abandons-principles/)
Professor Tracy later graciously published Higdon's rejoinder:

“Disinfo Wars” Author Responds (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/10/09/disinfo-wars-author-responds/)
As for me, I mostly agree with James Tracy's position, so I appreciate Nolan Higdon's willingness to come on my show and exchange views.

My own critique of Alex Jones, who I mostly admire, has gotten a lot of reads:

Is Alex Jones a Complete Idiot (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/03/11/is-alex-jones-a-complete-idiot/)?

Posted by Kevin Barrett (http://www.blogger.com/profile/11522769898898884227) at 9:53 AM No comments: (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2013/10/project-censoreds-nolan-higdon-defends.html#comment-form)

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A KB interview with Prof James Tracy will be posted on noliesradio tomorrow,
James Tracy defends Alex Jones, discusses censorship of "conspiracy theories" (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2013/10/james-tracy-defends-alex-jones.html)

[osoab]

Does anyone on the board still listen to AJ?

I quit like 2 years ago.

[PatColo]

^ Oh yeah?! Well I quit listening to AJ like 5 years ago!! :D

He's still a "gateway drug" for millions of new arrivals, for whom everything/one old, is new again. The Barrett/Tracy vs Project Censored's Nolan Higdon dialog above is worthwhile in 'spaining the "net-worthwhile role" of AJ's shtick.

What's 'funny', and not in a haha way, is that the "Disinfo Wars: Alex Jones’ War on Your Mind (http://www.projectcensored.org/disinfo-wars-alex-jones-war-mind/)" piece which kicked this exchange off, was written by one joo-problem-dodger (Project "Censored" LOL), critiquing another joo-problem-dodger (AJ), in a 'critique' which completely dodged... drumroll... djoo problem!! :cool:

[gunDriller]

^ Oh yeah?! Well I quit listening to AJ like 5 years ago!! :D

He's still a "gateway drug" for millions of new arrivals, for whom everything/one old, is new again.


exactly.

he gets new recruits from Jew Drudge Report, then makes damn sure only to talk about IsraHell in positive terms.