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gunDriller
12th December 2012, 06:20 PM
This, I do not get.

QE1 ... March 18, 2009 ... Gold Prices Jacked about 8% in the 24 hours after the QE1 announcement.

QE2 ... November 2010 ... Prices started rising. Silver hit its peak in April 2011 before MASSIVE manipulation pushed it down to about $33. Gold took longer, got up to $1800+, July 2011-ish.

QE3 ... sometime in 2012. Prices jumped at the time of the announcement, about 4% for Gold.

QE4 - TODAY, December 12, 2012.


Gold is off 1 to 2% ?


DATA POINT #2 -
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-12/baltic-dry-plunges-over-8-overnight-most-2008

The info from Zero Hedge about the collapse, in the last 24 hours, of the Baltic Dry Index.


The Baltic Dry Index indicates that we are in a state of EXTREME economic contraction.

As a corollary to this, I expect that scrap steel prices will fall further. They are currently about 5 1/2 cents per pound, down from 10 cents a pound a year ago. China being a big part of that. It's sort of an aside, but it is related to the overall economy. The economy contracts, and the Steel price falls.

I think of Steel as a Precious Metal, but, I'm biased :)


OK this is really going off on a tangent - if you were truly stranded on a desert island, and someone offered you a frying pan made of cast iron, and a frying pan the same size, even heavier, made of gold, or silver - what would you take ?

If you say gold or silver, you better be very careful with your fire temperature. It's not hard to build a fire that will reach 1750 degrees F, melting point of silver, if you're using a hardwood like oak that is really dry.

Your silver or gold frying pan will probably melt, and your ability to cook will melt with it. In a situation where materials are judged by their intrinsic usefulness, Steel/ Iron may just be - Precious Metals.


Anyway, getting back to QE4, and Gold and Silver Prices this evening.

What on Earth

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTW1b0a7NH6Peo5Qvvki4Qsx_py2Ze63 PvxG4Z-e_8s_C8TqIEAMg

... is going on ?!

General of Darkness
12th December 2012, 06:22 PM
Off course, the people in the know want it too go down so they can buy it cheap.

osoab
12th December 2012, 06:26 PM
Keep collecting don't worry about the paper price. Everything had a spike when it was announced, they all have fallen back. Besides, this was all priced in. I also think they need to keep things down through the holidays, keeps the sheep from talking at gatherings.

LuckyStrike
12th December 2012, 07:46 PM
At this point I think China might have pressure on the market from their point of view they hold a ton of FRN's, they aren't stupid enough to think Treasuries are a good idea, my thought is that they are amassing a large enough stockpile of gold to offset any losses in the treasury market, perhaps once they get to a certain point in gold they will give the US permission to revalue the dollar. Until that time I doubt they like they idea of rising gold prices.

I don't think this is the only manipulation going on for sure, but I think it's part of it.

Uncle Salty
13th December 2012, 10:46 AM
Methinks I shall purchase a couple of ounces today...of Au that is.

old steel
13th December 2012, 11:27 AM
Whenever the Fed whips out more money for Wall Street commodities and gold always plunge.

They are trying to convince people their free money forever policies aren't inflationary.

Give it a day or two and prices will rebound for commodities.

Totally managed markets which makes me think there will never be a crash as long as they have their hand on the pump.

chad
13th December 2012, 11:30 AM
this is complete bullshit.

mick silver
13th December 2012, 02:07 PM
i wish they would crash gold an silver .

osoab
13th December 2012, 02:08 PM
i wish they would crash gold an silver .


another 2008?

vacuum
13th December 2012, 03:02 PM
another 2008?

It seems like that's what's happening.

Perhaps the PMs are down because the QE is seen as insufficient to stop the deflationary collapse.

Basically, the banks are on the verge of failing, like in 2008, but the QE isn't enough to stop them from collapsing.

mick silver
14th December 2012, 04:43 AM
am not in the know but dam it would be nice to load up hard one more time . hell it would be nice to see it drop to 10 and oz but they would never again let us buy that low . this would be telling us what they really think of the metals