Gun control: prepare for the worst

[midnight rambler]

For nearly 24 years I've been a student of the history of gun control in the states. Bush I's import ban is what got me going on this, and that is one very important lesson for everyone. 922(r) is a remnant of Bush's import ban.

This time is far different from any other time, including 1934, 1968, 1986, 1989, 1994, 1998 (NICS). The gungrabbers have seized the initiative and feel like they have the momentum now due to the kiddie massacre (along with the fixed selection in November where the right got bitchslapped by the left). The hysteria is completely off the scale and unprecedented (we can thank the one-eyed monster in everyone's homes for that). They are hellbent for leather to take gun control much further than ever before. As PCR recently pointed out, there cannot be a police state AND an armed population. Given all the above I'm dreading something extremely radical, and very likely unilaterally from the Executive branch doing an end run around the CONgresscritters. The gungrabbers have learned a lot from their AWB '94 experience and they are determined to address their 'errors and oversights' (e.g. the AWB did not end the production of AKs, ARs, FALs, CETMEs, etc. over the course of its 10 year run, nor the sale of hi-cap mags whatsoever [some manufacturers went to 3 shift operation to crank out as many mags as possible for their inventory prior to the law going into effect])

This is what I suspect (and nothing would make me happier than to be completely wrong):

The banning of ALL private transactions which bypass NICS (e.g. when one passes on one's guns could not be passed onto to one's survivors without first going through NICS)
The banning of ALL 'military style' semi-auto rifles (as well as hi-cap shottys of more than five round mags including pumps) as in no possibilities of possession (could also possibly be a mandatory registration [i.e. creating a registry] of ALL of such rifles to begin with with no chance of sale/transfer - or not)
The creation of a mandatory registry of all 'assault weapon' magazines including pistol mags over 10 rounds (IF even possession is even allowed), likely including even 10/22 hi-cap mags (simple because they are evil by virtue of being more than 10 rounds)
Severe ammunition restrictions and taxes on ammo
Possible restrictions on how much ammo one is allowed to be in possession of

Naturally all of the above 'crimes' will be Federal felonies with mandatory minimum sentencing guidelines. This is to put the fear of GAWD into the sinners so they will repent.

This is why the collectivist gungrabbers are still dancing with glee in the blood of the latest innocents sacrificed - they know that their hero Zero will take it to the limit.

[vacuum]

It's one thing for a white guy like Bush to take away guns, but perhaps a black president taking away white people's guns will increase resistance to it.

[midnight rambler]

It's one thing for a white guy like Bush to take away guns, but perhaps a black president taking away white people's guns will increase resistance to it.

Some folks are going to get a short course on how to grow a spine - or not.

[chad]

i agree completely. whatever is passed, it will be designed to instantly criminalize as many people as possible. ammo restrictions, for example. that can instantly turn almost anyone in to a criminal. once you're in the criminal class, they can take firearms away from you, period. they're going to put so many new rules in place that it'll effectively be impossible to tell what is legal or what isn't- like the tax code. the list will be so encompassing that you're bound to run afoul of something.

[skid]

Look up Canadian gun laws. That is what the USA will get. 10 rounds mags for pistols, 5 round mags for all rifles. Register all pistols. Need an approved license to purchase any guns after filling out a very complex application form that asks very personal questions and requires a spouse's or girlfriend's signature to be approved. If you have broken up with your wife or had a fight with your girlfriend you may have to wait a few years as the gov't think you are buying weapons to shoot your ex...

[Carl]

According to the Dick Act (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?65951-Gun-control-prepare-for-the-worst), all gun control laws are illegal, which would necessarily mean that those passing such laws are in violation of standing law and are criminals.

[undgrd]

i agree completely. whatever is passed, it will be designed to instantly criminalize as many people as possible. ammo restrictions, for example. that can instantly turn almost anyone in to a criminal. once you're in the criminal class, they can take firearms away from you, period. they're going to put so many new rules in place that it'll effectively be impossible to tell what is legal or what isn't- like the tax code. the list will be so encompassing that you're bound to run afoul of something.

That's a good start but it's much larger than that.

Think about Asset Forfeiture for this new HUGE criminal class that will be created. "You're in possession of illegal weapons that could be used for terrorist acts. We're seizing all of your assets and freezing all of your bank accounts. See you in court."

[chad]

That's a good start but it's much larger than that.

Think about Asset Forfeiture for this new HUGE criminal class that will be created. "You're in possession of illegal weapons that could be used for terrorist acts. We're seizing all of your assets and freezing all of your bank accounts. See you in court."

hadn't thought of that angle, but you're probably correct.

[Twisted Titan]

In a crazy way this may be a HUGE positive.


I am of the opinion that once the new laws are in place and killing and crimes dont stop but INCREASE also when it is revealed that law makers and big wigs still have acess to THEIR gun and the raw hypocrisy and contempt they have for us is on display in All its glory


They will clamor for even MORE control and without a doubt sharpest individual will have to take a stand for self preservation the stage will be set for 1776 redux or The Begining of A Thousand years of Darkness.

This situation will bring us to the Event Horizion that much quicker

[Libertytree]

I have a sick feeling about all this and its not just about guns, mags and ammo either. Prepping will also come under scrutiny IMO, you see the effects that prepping has on their kids? It makes them so paranoid and wacked they massacre children. I also agree that US policy will mirror or exceed Canada's.

[General of Darkness]

In a crazy way this may be a HUGE positive.


I am of the opinion that once the new laws are in place and killing and crimes dont stop but INCREASE also when it is revealed that law makers and big wigs still have acess to THEIR gun and the raw hypocrisy and contempt they have for us is on display in All its glory


They will clamor for even MORE control and without a doubt sharpest individual will have to take a stand for self preservation the stage will be set for 1776 redux or The Begining of A Thousand years of Darkness.

This situation will bring us to the Event Horizion that much quicker

Agreed. It's always darkest before the light. Only time will tell.

[chad]

all of it is going to paint you as a terrorist, eventually. preps, PMs, guns, any of it. you'll only be normal if you vulnerably sit around watching nfl football or the voice.

[Dogman]

I have a sick feeling about all this and its not just about guns, mags and ammo either. Prepping will also come under scrutiny IMO, you see the effects that prepping has on their kids? It makes them so paranoid and wacked they massacre children. I also agree that US policy will mirror or exceed Canada's. National geographic is doing a good job portraying people that pepp, as nut jobs on their made for tv stuff.

As for the rest the drumbeats are growing, and there will be change. The thing is the elected "critters" know there are a hell of a lot of people in the states that vote and "LIKE" guns and stuff. Bunch of them know if they vote to make any real changes they will be looking for a new job in some states/locations that believe in the 2nd amendment.

[madfranks]

They will meet resistance if they push too far, too fast. Even though they have momentum and initiative, they will do it in small increments. Expect the "assault" weapons ban to pass, but not much more right now. Later, expect it to become permanent. Later, expect restrictions on high-cap mags. Later, expect a registry to begin for new purchases of guns only. Later, expect the registry to expand to require all guns be registered. Later, expect the ownership of certain rifles to be criminalized or heavily taxed. Later, expect restrictions on ammo holdings. Expect increased taxes on those who comply and increased criminal penalties on those who don't. They know if they push all of this at once there will be great resistance, and they know the only way to disarm America is incrementally. Even at this point it still might take a generation to disarm America.

Note, I put quotations around "assault" weapon, because to assault someone is an action not inherent in an inanimate object. If you assault someone with a .22 plinker, that's an assault weapon. If you use an AR to defend your family or hunt, it's not an assault rifle.

[midnight rambler]

I have mentioned before about an encounter with a DPS Trooper and him saying that >80% of LEOs are very conservative and intent upon supporting the Constitution. Over a period of about a year I would see him infrequently and we became 'friendly'. Some of the things he told me concerned me quite a bit, but I got the impression he wasn't going to put up with the collectivists when the time came. He's no longer in the position where I was seeing him, another one is. I had the opportunity to approach this new trooper (probably in his late 40s) so I walked up to him and asked him if he was familiar with Oathkeepers. Initially he said no, then before I could explain what Oathkeepers is he said:

"Do you mean am I going to shoot at civilians over gun control? No. I don't have 30 round mags for hunting. I have a lawyer friend who is all for gun control. He and I have gotten into a discussion about this and he wanted to know which side I would come down on. I told him I have my hi-cap mags to protect myself from the government. He told me, 'You ARE the government!' (as in working for Texas DPS somehow automatically enlists him on the side of the gungrabbers) I told him 'We'll see.'"

So I do expect the gungrabbers to be very measured in their approach, but they will still push has hard has they feel like they can get away with.

[mick silver]

does this mean that our country at war with it people

[chad]

at least i live in wisconsin. 80% of every household has a 30-06, a 270, or a 30-30 in it. it will take them a long time here.

[ShortJohnSilver]

Anyone see the similarities between Clinton's use of the OKC bombing and Obama's use of Sandy Hook? I feel like I am watching a remake of a movie.

[chad]

they have what, a month, until biden's "team" reports back? i fully expect another one of these during this time for maximum scare-age.

[mick silver]

this is all about control of the people of the country if the goverment was to fail the money cliff maybe getting closer

[midnight rambler]

at least i live in wisconsin. 80% of every household has a 30-06, a 270, or a 30-30 in it. it will take them a long time here.

The problem is that folks with bolt guns aren't the least bit concerned with those evil black guns, their delusional attitude is one of "I don't have an evil black gun so I can relax, they've already said they believe in the 2nd Amendment".

[collector]

It's one thing for a white guy like Bush to take away guns, but perhaps a black president taking away white people's guns will increase resistance to it.

That's been my thoughts all along and the main reason I wanted Obama over Romney. Even if Romney were the president, he'd be going after assault weapons the way he did in Massachussettes

[midnight rambler]

Anyone see the similarities between Clinton's use of the OKC bombing and Obama's use of Sandy Hook? I feel like I am watching a remake of a movie.

Yes, it's the very same thing.

[EE_]

Not a fun time to be gun/ammo shopping for the Johnny come lately's.
Great time to be a seller!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=W-NqkHUvv14

[Shami-Amourae]

In a crazy way this may be a HUGE positive.


I am of the opinion that once the new laws are in place and killing and crimes dont stop but INCREASE also when it is revealed that law makers and big wigs still have acess to THEIR gun and the raw hypocrisy and contempt they have for us is on display in All its glory


They will clamor for even MORE control and without a doubt sharpest individual will have to take a stand for self preservation the stage will be set for 1776 redux or The Begining of A Thousand years of Darkness.

This situation will bring us to the Event Horizion that much quicker

You live under the belief that people wise up when things get worse. I think 'humans' are dumber than that. Think of the Democratic voters in places like Detroit who continue to demand the same policies that have driven jobs from their community and turned what was once their city into a complete warzone. The current politicians in power currently are there since the people are THAT dumb to want this shit. These people are easy to manipulate and control, and will blindly follow whoever the leader is regardless of common sense, reason, or basic logic. Blame the Illuminati all you want, but there's a reason WHY there are secret societies who are able to manipulate the masses: The masses are retarded and demand enslavement!

What I'm saying is we have a loooooooooooong way down the shitter, there won't be a waking up. The people who would have woken up already have. Seriously, if you didn't wake up in 2008, I don't know what you're smoking. What's going on now is the people who have 'woken up' (or were always 'awake') are mobilizing and acting on that. The signs of impending doom are more and more ominous, but frankly, this has been coming for a long time, it's only coming more out in the open now.

Most 'humans' are like turkeys: They feel the rain falling on their head and look up, and keep looking up until the drown. That's how dumb these people are. There is NO HOPE for these creatures.

What really happens (I believe) throughout history there's a collection of retarded people who grow in number till there is a tipping point. Then there is a collapse and a mass die off. The smart people usually (?) survive and it starts the cycle again. The one scary thing though is it may not happen this time though thanks to automation and the current state of technology. Idiocracy will become reality.

[midnight rambler]

The signs of impending doom are more and more ominous, but frankly, this has been coming for a long time, it's only coming more out in the open now.

Time is an illusion which keeps us from seeing that every thing happens all at once.

[midnight rambler]

Feel free to add your own speculation(s) to this thread.

[messianicdruid]

Beware of "ends justifies the means" thinking.


http://www.degaray.com/?p=2746

"In case you’ve been sleeping in a cave for the past few years, the US government is doing everything it can to create more categories of crimes, and the psychiatrists are expanding the list of (fictional but enforceable) mental disorders, as they also relentlessly promote “more diagnosis and treatment.”

Some estimates state 20-25% of the US population is suffering from a mental disorder. These are absurd and cooked figures, for several reasons, but it doesn’t matter. What matters is that huge numbers of people can be arbitrarily labeled as such.

So legally owning or not owning a gun may soon hinge on a broader definition of “mentally ill,” changed to “having been diagnosed with a mental disorder,” because that is one back-door way to execute a massive gun ban.

Simply put: diagnose everybody and his brother with a mental disorder, and then assert that any such diagnosis bars a person from obtaining a gun permit.

Psychiatry, in addition to destroying lives through toxic drugs, becomes a political instrument for gun control.

In the July editions of both Psychology Today and The Psychiatric Times, the same editorial, written by Dr. Allen Frances, America’s most influential psychiatrist, spelled out a clear position:


“Guns do kill people and the number of people depends on the number of guns and the number of rounds they can fire in a given period of time.”

Of course, no mention is made of the psychiatric drugs that induce violence and murder.

Dr. Frances sums up his unequivocal position:


“We really have only two choices…accept mass murder as part of the American way of life, or…get in line with rest of the civilized world and adopt sane gun control policies.”

I thought I would explore the issue of mental illness from a slightly different perspective, however: WHY ARE FANATICAL GUN GRABBERS PSYCHOTIC?

What is the nature of THEIR mental disorder?

In the wake of the Newtown massacre, the gun-control forces are on the march. Ban this, ban that, go after the Doomsday preppers and bitter clingers.

The gun grabbers don’t respond to the obvious charge that, when honest people have weapons for self-defense, they can, in fact, defend themselves and stave off crime, harm, and death…"

[Shami-Amourae]

So legally owning or not owning a gun may soon hinge on a broader definition of “mentally ill,” changed to “having been diagnosed with a mental disorder,” because that is one back-door way to execute a massive gun ban.

Simply put: diagnose everybody and his brother with a mental disorder, and then assert that any such diagnosis bars a person from obtaining a gun permit.

I agree this is a strategy. It's happened to YouTuber/Prepper (on Doomsday Preppers), David Sarti:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUv9pjxq5QI
In Defense of David Sarti, the Doomsday Prepper Who Was Declared Mentally Incompetent and Had His Guns Seized By Government (http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/in-defense-of-david-sarti-the-doomsday-prepper-who-was-declared-mentally-incompetent-and-had-his-guns-seized-by-government_02142012)

I think the best advice is to avoid all contact hospitals/doctors. Learn how to treat yourself medically. If you have to interact with these people...well watch the video to get a picture of what CAN happen.

[Libertytree]

Time is an illusion which keeps us from seeing that every thing happens all at once.

That is sig worthy MR!

[Libertytree]

Buy any and all "off the books" guns you can and stash them, take advantage of the "loophole" while it's still available. I wish I could!

[LuckyStrike]

According to the Dick Act (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?65951-Gun-control-prepare-for-the-worst), all gun control laws are illegal, which would necessarily mean that those passing such laws are in violation of standing law and are criminals.

Are you aware of how a tyranny works?

[midnight rambler]

Are you aware of how a tyranny works?

I'm all in favor of using the Dick Act to shield us from the gungrabbers, but don't ya know that anyone who gets in front of a camera right now and brings up the Dick Act will have the media calling him or her a MAJOR DICK.

[LuckyStrike]

I'm all in favor of using the Dick Act to shield us from the gungrabbers, but don't ya know that anyone who gets in front of a camera right now and brings up the Dick Act will have the media calling him or her a MAJOR DICK.

IMO, any and all gun control legislation is technically illegal under the constitution "KEEP AND BEAR" yet I can't bear arms it is illegal where I live and I will be locked up if I do. The point I was trying to make is that legal or illegal is irrelevant, whether or not people will admit it we are living in a lawless society where force is the only thing that matters. Governments exercise it seemingly with great joy, We The People very very rarely do. It all goes back to "if the people fear the government there is tyranny, if the government fears the people there is liberty" everyone is scared shitless of big brother, and big brother isn't worried about a bunch of metrosexual faggots, this is the problem.

Laws are only good if they are enforced, nobody enforces for the Constitution. So even if the Founders were clairvoyant and said "if in the year 2012 a black is President and attempts to take away the guns of the people, this man is a traitor etc etc" what good would it do? Laws are mere words on a page, meaningless dribble if you have two parties one who has a printing press, the other who turns over half his income to the first. The 2nd will always just be the slave. If you are all on equal footing it's one thing, we aren't.

People need to do some serious thinking about what they will do if/when that day comes when it is turn your guns in time. Not John Wayne internet tough guy bullshit, but legitimately what are you going to do? When you hear the knock on your door is not the time to make a decision. I'm reminded of the Bruce McLaren quote " The news that he had died instantly was a terrible shock to all of us, but who is to say that he had not seen more, done more and learned more in his few years than many people do in a lifetime? To do something well is so worthwhile that to die trying to do it better cannot be foolhardy. It would be a waste of life to do nothing with one's ability, for I feel that life is measured in achievement, not in years alone."

You need to ask yourself if a few more years on this planet is worth it, or taking a stand is what you were put here to do.

[midnight rambler]

The gungrabbers' trifecta mantra: close the (so called) 'gunshow loophole', ban (so called) 'assault weapons', and ban (so called) 'assault weapon magazines'.

Given that the gungrabbers are a lot smarter and 'well seasoned' in their approach, we can only guess what they have in store.

My best guesses - ALL private sales will be banned forthwith via executive action sans the approval of the CONgresscritters due to an 'emergency' being declared. I can also see some restrictions on ammo coming the same way, but not simultaneously.

On military style semi-autos and hi-cap mags I'm thinking something very radical, but it won't be their 'ultimate solution' since the outright banning of possesion will cause them to immediately loose the support of a very large percentage of their 'enforcers' (cops who view themselves as *Boy Scouts* and envision themselves as the last backstop to defending the Constitution when the reality is that most LEOs are primarily concerned with their careers and pensions [which they likely won't end up getting anyway]). No, I submit they will introduce a draconian measure but not outright banning right away, just enough to drive those items pretty much underground. Then after some time has passed and it's been demonstrated (through more mass attacks by *crazy* lone gunmen) that "Clearly we haven't gone far enough and now we just need everyone to surrender/turn in their 'assault weapons'."* That's my theory anywho.

*There could possibly be an interim step along the way, that step being to 'register' (so called) 'assault weapons' (if this isn't their first step).

[LuckyStrike]

The gungrabbers trifecta mantra: close the (so called) 'gunshow loophole', ban (so called) 'assault weapons', and ban (so called) 'assault weapon magazines'.

Given that the gungrabbers are a lot smarter and 'well seasoned' in their approach, we can only guess what they have in store.

My best guesses - ALL private sales will be banned forthwith via executive action sans the approval of the CONgresscritters due to an 'emergency' being declared.

On military style semi-autos and hi-cap mags I'm thinking something very radical, but it won't be their 'ultimate solution' since the outright banning of possesion will cause them to immediately loose their 'enforcers' (cops who view themselves as *Boy Scouts* and envision themselves as the last backstop to defending the Constitution when the reality is that most LEOs are primarily concerned with their careers and pensions [which they likely won't end up getting anyway]). No, I submit they will introduce a draconian measure but not outright banning, just enough to drive them pretty much underground. Then after some time has passed and it's been demonstrated (through more mass attacks by *crazy* lone gunmen) that "Clearly we haven't gone far enough and now we just need everyone to surrender/turn in their 'assault weapons'." That's my theory anywho.

Sounds accurate to me.

A question I have for any of the old timers, what did people do in 94? Was there an outrage? I would've flown off the handle 10 years with bullshit WASR10's is a gay 10 years, I can't imagine no more AK's FAL's etc. I love guns and I don't think I would take more restrictions very well.

[midnight rambler]

Was there an outrage?

Some, but folks pretty much took it up the ass. The 'relief valve' in that scenario is that it wasn't *really* a 'ban', there were ways to circumvent the AWB and still get new production military style semi-autos out into the hands of the people. The one thing was that no more hi-cap mags could be manufactured nor imported, that pool was frozen for ten years - which is why hi-cap Glock mags were selling for +/-$100 each (there was NO ban on the sale/transfer of 'pre-ban' hi-cap mags, that definitely won't be the case this time)*. The gungrabbers were being very careful then, this time could not possibly be more different, except that a whole lot of people are still going to take it up the ass.

*There are a WHOLE LOT of mags marked "LAW ENFORCEMENT/MILITARY ONLY" floating around amongst us lowly 'civilians' due to the sunsetting of the AWB and I guarantee you this matter WILL be addressed.

[AndreaGail]

ar15.com armchair commandos in 10 years


"from my cold dead hands" ::)
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[Twisted Titan]

All I know is this.............

Possesion is 9/10 the Law

Registration is tantamount to willfully placing your name and address on The Liquidation List.

When the Moment of Truth comes I will act acordingly........... I am not waiting to see what these Necro Mongers got in store for me and mines and I have little abilty to defend myself

[undgrd]

You need to ask yourself if a few more years on this planet is worth it, or taking a stand is what you were put here to do.


This is a great question. I've decided where my line is. There's too much history of the atrocities that befall people who allow themselves to be disarmed. If action can stave off this fate for my son and the next generation, it would be a small price to pay. "The Greatest Generation" didn't have the will to stop the financial arm of this shit. Hopefully Gen X and Y will.

[chad]

i've been thinking about "what is the stupidist thing they could do?"

i keep hearing references to "huge caches of hundreds of rounds of high powered ammunition."

i expect some type of limit on how much ammo you can buy per month. similar to how you have to show your driver's license and be logged to buy cold or allergy medicine. you "shouldn't need" more than 100 rounds "for hunting."

[horseshoe3]

In times like this, I wish that my children were grown and independent. Or that this had gone down before I had children. This timing puts me in the worst possible position.

"I'm a parent, I haven't the luxury of principles" - Mel Gibson's character in The Patriot.

I always understood that intellectually. Now it becomes real.

[undgrd]

"Dark and difficult times lie ahead. Soon we must all face the choice between what is right and what is easy."

[madfranks]

you "shouldn't need" more than 100 rounds "for hunting."

Well, you know, this country has a great tradition of hunting and target practice, that's why they gave us the second amendment, don't you know that!


We recognise the traditions of gun ownership that passed on from generation to generation, that hunting and shooting are part of a cherished national heritage

[madfranks]

you "shouldn't need" more than 100 rounds "for hunting."

http://ericpetersautos.com/2012/12/19/if-guns-are-bad/



Needs – vs. rights.guns

In a free society, the individual’s natural right to decide for himself what his needs are is respected – and codified into law. You may think the guy next door is an idiot for living in a 4,000 sq. foot home when it’s just him and his wife. What does he need that for, you may say to yourself. Just as he may say to himself: What does that guy need all those rifles for? Just as the guy down the road wonders why the guy across the street needs all those old motorcycles. After all, he can only ride one at a time… .

But each to his own.

It’s just a more everyday way of stating what Jefferson stated with greater eloquence: The pursuit of happiness. To be free to choose. To not have others choose for you. To live as you – not your neighbor, not some politician – see fit. So long as what you do isn’t causing someone else harm. And it causes no harm – as such – for a man to own a powerful gun, or a powerful car. Or to live in a large house. Or to enjoy working on old motorcycles. To pursue his happiness.

In an unfree society – a society such as the one America is rapidly becoming – the individual’s needs are defined by others.By those who have power.

By those who possess guns – but deny others their right to own a gun.

Because they have decided they need guns.

But others – the others being whomever they so classify - do not.

Just as they will – if this business goes the wrong way – shortly begin to decide that no one needs to have more than a certain amount of money. Or a certain kind of car. Or so much house. Or more than “x” number of children.

And so on – without end, without limit. Because need is ultimately undefinable. It can mean anything anyone wants it to mean. And if those with guns decide you don’t need a gun – they will feel free to decide you don’t need other things as well. Depend upon it.

[midnight rambler]

Speculation/rumor is that Zero will have all evil black rifles and hi-cap feeding devices classified as Title II weapons, and as this article points out there is definitely a precedent for this when under Clintoon the Streetsweeper shotgun (aka as the Striker 12 and Protecta) was re-classified from Title I to Title II making it subject to NFA rules and thus tax stamps (and I forget when but I think it was prior to that that the USAS 20 round shotgun drum was also re-classified as a 'destructive device' under NFA rules which prior to that re-classification was freely available).

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-anti-gun-agenda-may-lead-to-domestic-crisis-warn-experts

Least anyone forget that USJBTs drove a tank through someone's church outside Waco killing 82 men, women and children (21) in the siege simply because there was an alleged unpaid NFA tax on a machinegun (which was never produced).

[hoarder]

Speculation/rumor is that Zero will have all evil black rifles and hi-cap feeding devices classified as Title II weaponsThey know that if such a law was implemented, less than half the owners of such firearms would legally register them. Another point to consider is that a lot of Democrats own semi-auto firearms.

I think continued slow attrition of our liberties and marginalizing White males is the agenda. They haven't been throwing frogs in pots of boiling water because they know there may be too many repercussions.

[Heimdhal]

I am honestly NOT expecting much out of this as far as rifle and ammo bans. Mag/Ammo bans are more likley than anything, but the states would refuse to reinforce and the feds would have to do it through back door ATF classifications like Rambler stated.

There are still a lot of politicians that need to keep the game and illusion alive, as in your face as they are getting as of late. The people do NOT want any further gun restrictions (the record beating sales the last so many weeks tells us as much by itself). The "conservatives" still hold the house, and they arent budging at all, and not enough of the "moderate" dems are stepping up with a zeal. Its really just the media and the same extreme lefties clucking away for gun control, just like they did after EVERY shooting.

This is purley being driven by the media machines and hardcore gun control folks, just like always. Because it was kids that died and right around christmas, the emotional strings are being pulled hard. It will take MONTHS if not years to pass a new AWB, and it will die before then.

This is all, of course, my OPINION (and hope).

[chad]

i think this is the big push for the united nations gun control plan.

[gunDriller]

i think this is the big push for the united nations gun control plan.

we need someone on the inside at United Nations HQ, sitting in on committee meetings.

i nominate K-os. :)

[Dogman]

we need someone on the inside at United Nations HQ, sitting in on committee meetings.

i nominate K-os. :) Good choice, but a better one would be.

Zap, because she is death on snakes and what is the United Nations? But a den full of snakes/vipers ! And she swings one mean shovel that would keep them straight and honest, if anything can!

[chad]

at least one small bright spot for me personally. my brother in law is back for xmas. new yorkers. huge lefty, huge obama supporter, has always been a big gun control guy.

last night at dinner: "dude, this is bullshit, they want to take away all of the guns i know you have and you haven't done anything wrong." he then went on to talk about how something is not right, defended me, etc. i about fell out of the chair.

[Cebu_4_2]

at least one small bright spot for me personally. my brother in law is back for xmas. new yorkers. huge lefty, huge obama supporter, has always been a big gun control guy.

last night at dinner: "dude, this is bullshit, they want to take away all of the guns i know you have and you haven't done anything wrong." he then went on to talk about how something is not right, defended me, etc. i about fell out of the chair.

People waking up, I see it every day. Before this FF shooting I had someone call me stupid for thinking that guns should be allowed in schools by anyone. Took this shooting to sway his little closed world around. Now to get them to realize the government has been taken over and are at war with it's own people.

[midnight rambler]

DH: Whoa, wait a minute. You just said a mouthful. What’s the agenda here?

RB: Your intelligence insider – he knows that we are facing a planned economic collapse. You wrote about this in your articles about Benghazi, or at least that’s what I got out of the later articles. So why the surprise?

DH: There’s a lot here. Let’s take it step by step if you don’t mind.

RB: Okay, but I’m not going to give it to you in baby steps. Big boy steps. This is what I am hearing. Life for the average American is going to change significantly, and not the change people expect. First, DHS is preparing to work with police departments and the TSA to respond to civil uprisings that will happen when there is a financial panic. And there will be one, maybe as early as this spring, when the dollar won’t get you a gumball. I’m not sure what the catalyst will be, but I’ve heard rumblings about a derivatives crisis as well as an oil embargo. I don’t know, that’s not my department. But something is going to happen to collapse the dollar, which has been in the works since the 1990′s. Now if it does not happen as soon as this, it’s because there are people, real patriots, who are working to prevent this, so it’s a fluid dynamic. But that doesn’t change the preparations.

And the preparations are these: DHS is prepositioning assets in strategic areas near urban centers all across the country. Storage depots. Armories. And even detainment facilities, known as FEMA camps. FEMA does not even know that the facilities are earmarked for detainment by executive orders, at least not in the traditional sense they were intended. By the way, people drive by some of these armories everyday without even giving them a second look. Commercial and business real estate across the country are being bought up or leased for storage purposes. Very low profile.

Anyway, I am hearing that the plan from on high is to let the chaos play out for a while, making ordinary citizens beg for troops to be deployed to restore order. but it’s all organized to make them appear as good guys. That’s when the real head knocking will take place. We’re talking travel restrictions, which should no be a problem because gas will be rationed or unavailable. The TSA will be in charge of travel, or at least be a big part of it. They will be commissioned, upgraded from their current status.

They, I mean Jarrett and Obama as well as a few others in government, are working to create a perfect storm too. This is being timed to coincide with new gun laws.

DH: New federal gun laws?

RB: Yes. Count on the criminalization to possess just about every gun you can think of. Not only restrictions, but actual criminalization of possessing a banned firearm. I heard this directly from the highest of my sources. Plans were made in the 90′s but were withheld. Now, it’s a new day, a new time, and they are riding the wave of emotion from Sandy Hook., which, by the way and as tragic as it was, well, it stinks to high heaven. I mean there are many things wrong there, and first reports are fast disappearing. The narrative is being changed. Look, there is something wrong with Sandy Hook, but if you write it, you’ll be called a kook or worse.

DH: Sure

RB: But Sandy Hook, there’s something very wrong there. But I am hearing that won’t be the final straw. There will be another if they think it’s necessary.

DH: Another shooting?

RB: Yes.

DH: That would mean they are at least complicit.

RB: Well, that’s one way of looking at it.

DH: Are they? Were they?

RB: Do your own research. Nothing I say, short of bringing you photographs and documents will convince anyone, and even then, it’s like [DELETED] in the wind.

DH: So…

RB: So what I’m telling you is that DHS, the TSA and certain, but not all, law enforcement agencies are going to be elbow deep in riot control in response to an economic incident. At the same time or close to it, gun confiscation will start. It will start on a voluntary basis using federal registration forms, then an amnesty, then the kicking-in of doors start.

Before or at the same time, you know all the talk of lists, you know, the red and blue lists that everyone made fun of? Well they exist, although I don’t know about their colors. But there are lists of political dissidents maintained by DHS. Names are coordinated with the executive branch, but you know what? They did not start with Obama. They’ve been around in one form or another for years. The difference though is that today, they are much more organized. And I’ll tell you that the vocal opponents of the politics of the global elite, the bankers, and the opponents of anything standing in their way, well, they are on the top of the list of people to be handled.

DH: Handled?

RB: As the situations worsen, some might be given a chance to stop their vocal opposition. Some will, others won’t. I suppose they are on different lists. Others won’t have that chance. By that time, though, it will be chaos and people will be in full defensive mode. They will be hungry, real hunger like we’ve never experienced before. They will use our hunger as leverage. They will use medical care as leverage.

DH: Will this happen all at once?

RB: They hope to make it happen at the same time. Big cities first, with sections being set apart from the rest of the country. Then the rural areas. There are two different plans for geographical considerations. But it will all come together.

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