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Libertytree
20th December 2012, 07:16 PM
Now I know!! Ol' Chris liked to party too :)


This Christmas, like many before it and many yet to come, the story of Santa and his flying reindeer will be told, including how the "jolly old elf" flies on his sleigh throughout the entire world in one night, giving gifts to all the good children.

But according to one theory, the story of Santa and his flying reindeer can be traced to an unlikely source: hallucinogenic or "magic" mushrooms.
"Santa is a modern counterpart of a shaman, who consumed mind-altering plants and fungi to commune with the spirit world," said John Rush, an anthropologist and instructor at Sierra College in Rocklin, Calif.

According to the theory, the legend of Santa derives from shamans in the Siberian and Arctic regions who dropped into locals' teepeelike homes with a bag full of hallucinatory mushrooms (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AjfpKAZ8gg8mJtVOUPjTHggbANEA;_ylu=X3oDMTFqMDg xZXM0BG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzEEc2VjA01lZGlhQ XJ0aWNsZUJvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTNic2EyZm9uBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDNjEwNTM1NzMtNDM1YS0zNzYzLWFhMmEtODU1MDkxNz A3MzZjBHBzdGNhdANzY2llbmNlBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0 A040VV9HcmF2aXR5;_ylv=0/SIG=12vkdgoj1/EXP=1357268229/**http%3A//www.livescience.com/16287-mushrooms-alter-personality-long-term.html) as presents in late December, Rush said.

"As the story goes, up until a few hundred years ago these practicing shamans (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=ApTj_2GpDtbrQkC1qGOoFfMbANEA;_ylu=X3oDMTFqaWd 2Ymg3BG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzIEc2VjA01lZGlhQ XJ0aWNsZUJvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTNic2EyZm9uBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDNjEwNTM1NzMtNDM1YS0zNzYzLWFhMmEtODU1MDkxNz A3MzZjBHBzdGNhdANzY2llbmNlBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0 A040VV9HcmF2aXR5;_ylv=0/SIG=13bnq4562/EXP=1357268229/**http%3A//www.livescience.com/8522-remains-ancient-feast-honor-dead-shaman-discovered.html) or priests connected to the older traditions would collect Amanita muscaria (the Holy Mushroom), dry them, and then give them as gifts on the winter solstice," Rush told LiveScience. "Because snow is usually blocking doors, there was an opening in the roof through which people entered and exited, thus the chimney story."
But that's just the beginning of the symbolic connections between the Amanita muscaria mushroom and the iconography of Christmas, according to several historians and ethnomycologists, or people who study the influence fungi has had on human societies. Of course, not all scientists agree that the Santa story is tied to a hallucinogen. [Tales of Magic Mushrooms & Other Hallucinogens (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AlIZ4KNkhTVtZaJiRaIGnMYbANEA;_ylu=X3oDMTFqaTN jbzlmBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzMEc2VjA01lZGlhQ XJ0aWNsZUJvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTNic2EyZm9uBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDNjEwNTM1NzMtNDM1YS0zNzYzLWFhMmEtODU1MDkxNz A3MzZjBHBzdGNhdANzY2llbmNlBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0 A040VV9HcmF2aXR5;_ylv=0/SIG=1350ecvqg/EXP=1357268229/**http%3A//www.livescience.com/16286-hallucinogens-lsd-mushrooms-ecstasy-history.html)]

Presents under the tree

In his book "Mushrooms and Mankind (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AuINowxR64pV2Ph9ppJrLYcbANEA;_ylu=X3oDMTFqc2F obm1zBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzQEc2VjA01lZGlhQ XJ0aWNsZUJvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTNic2EyZm9uBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDNjEwNTM1NzMtNDM1YS0zNzYzLWFhMmEtODU1MDkxNz A3MzZjBHBzdGNhdANzY2llbmNlBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0 A040VV9HcmF2aXR5;_ylv=0/SIG=137frvf6e/EXP=1357268229/**http%3A//www.amazon.com/Mushrooms-Mankind-Impact-Consciousness-Religion/dp/1585091510)" (The Book Tree, 2003) the late author James Arthur points out that Amanita muscaria, also known as fly agaric, lives throughout the Northern Hemisphere under conifers and birch trees, with which the fungi —which is deep red with white flecks — has a symbiotic relationship. This partially explains the practice of the Christmas tree (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=Av.nLryXh.OJXbPmaJA9Q6kbANEA;_ylu=X3oDMTFqaGF mbHBnBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzUEc2VjA01lZGlhQ XJ0aWNsZUJvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTNic2EyZm9uBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDNjEwNTM1NzMtNDM1YS0zNzYzLWFhMmEtODU1MDkxNz A3MzZjBHBzdGNhdANzY2llbmNlBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0 A040VV9HcmF2aXR5;_ylv=0/SIG=12k435mkf/EXP=1357268229/**http%3A//www.livescience.com/17481-christmas-tree-infographic.html), and the placement of bright red-and-white presents underneath, which look like Amanita mushrooms, he wrote.

"Why do people bring pine trees (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=Au6ly2nQr.X5E9ox1eAQsN0bANEA;_ylu=X3oDMTFqY2d xYjVxBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzYEc2VjA01lZGlhQ XJ0aWNsZUJvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTNic2EyZm9uBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDNjEwNTM1NzMtNDM1YS0zNzYzLWFhMmEtODU1MDkxNz A3MzZjBHBzdGNhdANzY2llbmNlBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0 A040VV9HcmF2aXR5;_ylv=0/SIG=130jhuf8j/EXP=1357268229/**http%3A//www.livescience.com/9117-christmas-trees-surprisingly-depressing.html) into their houses at the Winter Solstice, placing brightly colored (red and white) packages under their boughs, as gifts to show their love for each other … ?" he wrote. "It is because, underneath the pine bough is the exact location where one would find this 'Most Sacred' substance, the Amanita muscaria, in the wild."
Reindeer are common in Siberia, and seek out these hallucinogenic fungi, as the area's human inhabitants have been known to do. Donald Pfister, a biologist who studies fungi at Harvard University, suggests that Siberian tribesmen who ingested fly agaric may have hallucinated into thinking that reindeer were flying.

"Flying" reindeer

"At first glance, one thinks it's ridiculous, but it's not," said Carl Ruck, a professor of classics at Boston University. "Whoever heard of reindeer flying? I think it's becoming general knowledge that Santa is taking a 'trip' with his reindeer," Ruck said. [6 Surprising Facts About Reindeer (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AtNNTETrj2RE.vL5ERgs3WsbANEA;_ylu=X3oDMTFqZG1 vZW1rBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzcEc2VjA01lZGlhQ XJ0aWNsZUJvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTNic2EyZm9uBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDNjEwNTM1NzMtNDM1YS0zNzYzLWFhMmEtODU1MDkxNz A3MzZjBHBzdGNhdANzY2llbmNlBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0 A040VV9HcmF2aXR5;_ylv=0/SIG=12rh9gkvi/EXP=1357268229/**http%3A//www.livescience.com/17621-surprising-facts-reindeer-caribou.html)]
"Amongst the Siberian shamans, you have an animal spirit you can journey with in your vision quest," Ruck continued. " And reindeer are common and familiar to people in eastern Siberia. They also have a tradition of dressing up like the [mushroom] … they dress up in red suits with white spots."

Ornaments shaped like Amanita mushrooms and other depictions of the fungi are also prevalent in Christmas decorations throughout the world, particularly in Scandinavia and northern Europe, Pfister points out. That said, Pfister made it clear that the connection between modern-day Christmas and the ancestral practice of eating mushrooms is a coincidence, and he doesn't know about any direct link.
Many of these traditions were merged or projected upon Saint Nicholas (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AqCrxtkNq6KyqnkXSfAjb1IbANEA;_ylu=X3oDMTFqZTJ rMXNoBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzgEc2VjA01lZGlhQ XJ0aWNsZUJvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTNic2EyZm9uBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDNjEwNTM1NzMtNDM1YS0zNzYzLWFhMmEtODU1MDkxNz A3MzZjBHBzdGNhdANzY2llbmNlBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0 A040VV9HcmF2aXR5;_ylv=0/SIG=12i0jpum8/EXP=1357268229/**http%3A//www.livescience.com/5953-santa-claus-real-man-myth.html), a fourth-century saint who was known for his generosity, as the story goes.

The Santa connection
There is little debate about the consumption of mushrooms by Arctic and Siberian tribes' people and shamans, but the connection to Christmas traditions is more tenuous, or "mysterious," as Ruck put it. Many of the modern details of the modern-day American Santa Claus come from "A Visit from St. Nicholas" (which later became famous as "'Twas the Night Before Christmas"), an 1823 poem credited to Clement Clarke Moore, an aristocratic academic who lived in New York City.
The origins of Moore's vision are unclear, although Arthur, Rush and Ruck all think he probably drew from northern Europe motifs that derive from Siberian or Arctic shamanic traditions. At the very least, Arthur wrote, Santa's sleigh and reindeer are references back to various related Northern European mythology. For example, the Norse god Thor (known in German as "Donner") flew in a chariot drawn by two goats, which have been replaced in the modern retelling by Santa's reindeer (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AvjqIPMKdAXGd8YMos7GvEYbANEA;_ylu=X3oDMTFqcjE 2NDhqBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzkEc2VjA01lZGlhQ XJ0aWNsZUJvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTNic2EyZm9uBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDNjEwNTM1NzMtNDM1YS0zNzYzLWFhMmEtODU1MDkxNz A3MzZjBHBzdGNhdANzY2llbmNlBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0 A040VV9HcmF2aXR5;_ylv=0/SIG=12pqq0eo6/EXP=1357268229/**http%3A//www.livescience.com/5943-surprising-truths-santa-reindeer.html), Arthur wrote.
Ruck points to Rudolf as another example of the mushroom imagery resurfacing: his nose looks exactly like a red mushroom, he said. "It's amazing that a reindeer with a red-mushroom nose is at the head, leading the others."

Some doubt

Other historians were unaware of a connection between Santa and shamans or magic mushrooms (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=Ars3zcJ4TUE39BoildCK92EbANEA;_ylu=X3oDMTFrb2p ndWQ3BG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzEwBHNlYwNNZWRpY UFydGljbGVCb2R5QXNzZW1ibHk-;_ylg=X3oDMTNic2EyZm9uBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDNjEwNTM1NzMtNDM1YS0zNzYzLWFhMmEtODU1MDkxNz A3MzZjBHBzdGNhdANzY2llbmNlBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0 A040VV9HcmF2aXR5;_ylv=0/SIG=12uohe7l1/EXP=1357268229/**http%3A//www.livescience.com/18067-psychedelic-mushrooms-brain-activity.html), including Stephen Nissenbaum, who wrote a book about the origins of Christmas traditions, and Penne Restad, at the University of Texas.

One historian, Ronald Hutton, told NPR (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AsDdt74076._XN3hX.445UobANEA;_ylu=X3oDMTFrM2g 5cm4zBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzExBHNlYwNNZWRpY UFydGljbGVCb2R5QXNzZW1ibHk-;_ylg=X3oDMTNic2EyZm9uBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDNjEwNTM1NzMtNDM1YS0zNzYzLWFhMmEtODU1MDkxNz A3MzZjBHBzdGNhdANzY2llbmNlBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0 A040VV9HcmF2aXR5;_ylv=0/SIG=13q15t849/EXP=1357268229/**http%3A//www.npr.org/2010/12/24/132260025/did-shrooms-send-santa-and-his-reindeer-flying%3Fsc=fb%26cc=fp) that the theory of a mushroom-Santa connection is off-base. "If you look at the evidence of Siberian shamanism, which I've done," Hutton said, "you find that shamans didn't travel by sleigh, didn't usually deal with reindeer spirits, very rarely took the mushrooms to get trances, didn't have red-and-white clothes." But Rush and Ruck say these statements are incorrect; shamans did deal with reindeer spirits, and the depiction of their clothes' coloring has more to do with the colors of the mushroom than the shamans' actual garb. As for sleighs, the point isn't the exact mode of travel, but that the "trip" involves transportation to a different, celestial realm, Rush said.

"People who know about shamanism accept this story," Ruck said. "Is there any other reason that Santa lives in the North Pole? It is a tradition that can be traced back to Siberia."

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Glass
20th December 2012, 07:56 PM
yeah.. Santa is the modern day represenation of Nimrod, the builder of the tower of babel. He died and his blood was spilt on an evergreen or similar tree stump which regrew overnight. His spirit ascended to heaven or into the sun and is now worshipped as Baal or Moloch. Anyone who has seen the Bohemium Grove knows this is a location where they make sarifices to this deity. The sacrifice is a burnt offering, usually a child.

StreetsOfGold
20th December 2012, 08:39 PM
Jeremiah 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
Jeremiah 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

Satan Claus is just a replacement for Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ vs Santa Claus > http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1132.cfm

joboo
20th December 2012, 08:41 PM
I'm just glad all the animals in the entire world were in walking distance of the arc.

Phew!

Santa, and his herd of flying chimps would have probably scarred me as a child.

zap
20th December 2012, 08:47 PM
I understand that you were washed the same way I was SoG but there has to be some History behind all of it, I am not saying I don't believe in Jesus Christ, but there is alot you and I don't know... I won't follow blindly to slaughter.

http://www.aagsinc.net/Saint_Nicholas.html
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The Saint Nicholas, from whose benevolent character Santa Claus derived, was born c.235 A.D., in Patara, a seaport city in Lycia, a province of Asia Minor. Over the centuries, artwork representing St. Nicholas has evolved from an image of a thin, dark complexioned person of color, to a pudgy Caucasian.

The acts of St. Nicholas that gave rise to the "gift-giving" Santa Claus began in the early years of his priesthood. A citizen of Patara lost his fortune, and because he could not raise dowries for his three daughters, he was going to give them over to prostitution. After hearing this, Nicholas took a bag of gold and threw it through the window of the man's house at night. The eldest girl was married with it as her dowry. He performed the same action for each of the other girls. Because of this and similar stories, Nicholas became a symbol of anonymous gift-giving. Hence, if we give a gift to someone today without saying whom it is from, it can be called "a present from Saint Nicholas (or Santa Claus)." The three purses, portrayed in art with the saint, were mistakenly thought to be the heads of children, and thus originated the story that three children, murdered by an innkeeper and pickled in a tub of brine, were resuscitated by Nicholas. The three purses are also thought to be the origin of the pawnbrokers' symbol of three gold balls.