Going for the Guns: Possible Martial Law in Early 2013?

[Ares]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aPPSeMyXlGw

Link---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aPPSeMyXlGw

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"Training starts within the next week, with the officers that volunteered to do this. And mostly, the ones that volunteered are mostly the roid heads. That's what we call them anyhow."

"Exactly, the ones that are gung-ho on anything they're told to do."

"Yes sir, and they're all pumped up, they're taking stuff to build their muscles artificially and....it's just unreal. I've been in law enforcement for 31 years here and I've never seen anything like it in my life."

[palani]

Uh huh. I expect the national guard would have to be called out to protect these guys and I doubt if they would take the job seriously.

[midnight rambler]

I would think after a few hours of this *somebody* is going to get a very bloody nose.

I'm skeptical as to whether the competition can put together that large of a team - once the word gets out all Hell is going to break loose (and anyone who shows the slightest hint of driving a govt. issued sedan is going to draw fire). - JMO

IMO only those with bad chemicals in their heads would have the stomach for this sort of thing.

[Norweger]

That's one of the issues the way i see it.. if they do decide to come for the guns they must make sure to have a communications breakdown for the general public first.

[midnight rambler]

That's one of the issues the way i see it.. if they do decide to come for the guns they must make sure to have a communications breakdown for the general public first.

A communications breakdown would put most everyone expecting something on high alert.

What got my attention in the video was the subtle mention of an economic collapse as the kickoff.

[Ponce]

It would take more than a few years to find and take all the guns out there...as a matter of fact, we would take theirs before they coult take yours.....those who fight for what is theirs will fight harder than those who want to take what is not theirs...... V

[YukonCornelius]

How many times has someone "in the know" with "secret" preliminary info said something similar?

It won't start with confiscation. It'll start with freezing sales. That's when you know.

A much better indicator than Joe Schmo.

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How many times has someone "in the know" with "secret" preliminary info said something similar?

I'm sure it's all true. He's not really "in the know", he's just being primed in a compartmentalized way, as are law enforcement groups around the country. In order to make a movement, the troops have to be primed, trained, and ready. Obviously all that happens way ahead of time.

[Ponce]

I would say that first they will go after the bullets, then the reloading...they will do this by closing places that sell them, stores and junk mail.....ie...Cabelas, Cheper Than Dirt and so on...then stop permits to carry them...then after registered guns and taking guns out in the open......then start hunting for hiding guns..........but of course there will be a revolution before it reaches the end....... V

[old steel]

A communications breakdown would put most everyone expecting something on high alert.

What got my attention in the video was the subtle mention of an economic collapse as the kickoff.

Read the same thing on this interview with DHS insider.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52005

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Read the same thing on this interview with DHS insider.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52005

This should be it's own thread

[Twisted Titan]

I just trolled around youtubelast night just to get a feeling for the general consensus

I tell you this.

Your average middle of the road patriot is ready for Bear.

There are tons of vids going viral explaining there will be no grandfather and you will have to re register what you already have and if its on the ban list it will be confiscated by local PD.

If that is the case then you as a gun owner have little left to lose and THAT is the most dangerous mindset to be in if your trying fight someone like that

[midnight rambler]

it will be confiscated by local PD.



'Local' cops, at least those with families they love, will quickly determine they just need to stay home. The 'roid head cannon fodder will be the point of the spear imo. I can't imagine how anyone can see a future in doing such a thing, but from what I've observed on other gun forums there are some JPS (just plain stupid) people out there.

[madfranks]

There are tons of vids going viral explaining there will be no grandfather and you will have to re register what you already have and if its on the ban list it will be confiscated by local PD.

I wanted to say that local police typically don't enforce federal laws and that they'd resist confiscating local firearms, but after thinking about how enthusiastic local PDs are in enforcing federal drug laws, and how enthusiastic local police were in confiscating firearms post-hurricane Katrina, I have to rethink this.

[gunDriller]

I wanted to say that local police typically don't enforce federal laws and that they'd resist confiscating local firearms, but after thinking about how enthusiastic local PDs are in enforcing federal drug laws, and how enthusiastic local police were in confiscating firearms post-hurricane Katrina, I have to rethink this.

senior local police, e.g. the head of the SWAT team, do not get up in the morning to rescue cats stuck in trees or to help the homeless.

the zeal with which they enforce federal drug laws is all we need to know.

[undgrd]

How many times has someone "in the know" with "secret" preliminary info said something similar?

It won't start with confiscation. It'll start with freezing sales. That's when you know.

A much better indicator than Joe Schmo.

It probably wouldn't take a freeze. Just need the largest retailers to stop selling.




The rifles were sold for $799, a mark down of $300. Stores quickly sold through their existing stock and took customers’ money for backordered rifles with delivery estimates ranging from weeks to months. But, instead of getting calls from local stores telling customers to come pick up their rifles, customers have begun receiving letters from Dick’s informing them of its inability to fulfill orders with no specific reason. The letter promises a refund and includes a $100 Dick’s Sporting Goods gift card.


http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2012/12/27/troy-issues-statement-on-dicks-sporting-goods/

[Libertytree]

Good read and the comments are interesting too.

http://www.bob-owens.com/2012/12/what-youll-see-in-the-rebellion/

What you’ll see in the rebellion Written By: Bob - Dec• 28•12



Let me explain, gun grabbers, how your confiscatory fantasy plays out. Let us imagine for a moment that a sweeping gun control bill similar to the one currently suggested is passed by the House and Senate, and signed into law by a contemptuous President.


Perhaps 50-100 million firearms currently owned by law-abiding citizens will become contraband with the stroke of a pen. Citizens will either register their firearms, or turn them in to agents of the federal government, or risk becoming criminals themselves. Faced with this choice, millions will indeed register their arms. Perhaps as many will claim they’ve sold their arms, or had them stolen. Suppose that as many as 200-250 million weapons of other types will go unregistered.


Tens of millions of Americans will refuse to comply with an order that is clearly a violation of the explicit intent of the Second Amendment. Among the most ardent opposing these measures will be military veterans, active duty servicemen, and local law enforcement officers. Many of these individuals will refuse to carry out what they view as Constitutionally illegal orders. Perhaps 40-50 million citizens will view such a law as treason. Perhaps ten percent of those, 4-5 million, would support a rebellion in some way, and maybe 40,000-100,000 Americans will form small independently-functioning active resistance cells, or become lone-wolves.


They will be leaderless, stateless, difficult to track, and considering the number of military veterans that would likely be among their number, extremely skilled at sabotage, assassination, and ambush.
After a number of carefully-planned, highly-publicized, and successful raids by the government, one or more will invariably end “badly.” Whether innocents are gunned down, a city block is burned to ash, or especially fierce resistance leads to a disastrously failed raid doesn’t particularly matter. What matters is that when illusion of the government’s invincibility and infallibility is broken, the hunters will become the hunted.


Unnamed citizens and federal agents will be the first to die, and they will die by the dozens and maybe hundreds, but famous politicians will soon join them in a spate of revenge killings, many of which will go unsolved.


Ironically, while the gun grab was intended to keep citizens from preserving their liberties with medium-powered weapons, it completely ignored the longer-ranged rifles perfect for shooting at ranges far beyond what a security detail can protect, and suppressed .22LR weapons proven deadly in urban sniping in Europe and Asia.
While the Secret Service will be able to protect the President in the White House, he will not dare leave his gilded cage except in carefully controlled circumstances. Even then he will be forced to move like a criminal. He will never be seen outdoors in public again. Not in this country.


The 535 members of the House and Senate in both parties that allowed such a law to pass would largely be on their own; the Secret Service is too small to protect all of them and their families, the Capitol Police too unskilled, and competent private security not particularly interested in working against their own best interests at any price. The elites will be steadily whittled down, and if they can not be reached directly, the targets will become their staffers, spouses, children, and grandchildren. Grandstanding media figures loyal to the regime would die in droves, executed as enemies of the Republic.


You can expect congressional staffs to disintegrate with just a few shootings, and expect elected officials themselves to resign well before a quarter of their number are eliminated, leaving us with a boxed-in executive, his cabinet loyalists trapped in the same win, die, or flee the country circumstance, military regime loyalists, and whatever State Governors who desire to risk their necks as well.
Here, the President will doubtlessly order the activation of National Guard units and the regular military to impose martial law, setting the largest and most powerful military in the world against its own people. Unfortunately, the tighter the President clinches his tyrannical fist, the more rebels he makes.


Military commands and federal agencies will be whittled down as servicemen and agents will desert or defect. Some may leave as individuals, others may join the Rebellion in squad and larger-sized units with all their weapons, tactics, skills, and insider intelligence. The regime will be unable to trust its own people, and because they cannot trust them, they will lose more in a vicious cycle of collapse.


Some of these defectors will be true “operators,” with the skills and background to turn ragtag militia cells into the kind of forces that decimate loyalist troops, allowing them no rest and no respite, striking them when they are away from their most potent weapons. Military vehicles are formidable, but they are thirsty beasts, in terms of fuel, ammo, time, and maintenance. Tanks and bombers are formidable only when they have gas, guns, and can be maintained. In a war without a front, logistics are incredibly easy to destroy, and mechanics and supply clerks are not particularly adept at defending themselves.


Eventually, the government will turn upon itself. The President will be captured or perhaps killed by his own protectors. A dictatorship will form in the vacuum.
If we’re lucky, the United States of America, or whatever amalgam results, will again try to rebuild. If we’re very lucky, the victors will reinstate the Constitution as the law of the land. Just as likely though, we’ll face fractious civil wars fought over issues we’ve not begun to fathom, and a much diminished state or states will result, perhaps guided by foreign interests.
It will not be pretty. There will be no “winners,” and perhaps hundreds of thousands to millions of dead.


Yet, this is the future we face if the power-mad among us are not soundly defeated at the ballot box before they affect more “change” than we, the People, are willing to surrender to would-be tyrants.

[midnight rambler]

I wanted to say that local police typically don't enforce federal laws and that they'd resist confiscating local firearms, but after thinking about how enthusiastic local PDs are in enforcing federal drug laws, and how enthusiastic local police were in confiscating firearms post-hurricane Katrina, I have to rethink this.

The team with the drive and momentum is going to be the team moving the ball downfield.

[Libertytree]

Coming soon for us as well?

Desperate for weapons, Syrian rebels make their own, fix tanks

ALEPPO PROVINCE, Syria (Reuters) - At a converted warehouse in the midst of a block of residential homes in a northern Syrian town, men are hard at work at giant lathes, shavings of metal gathering around them.
Sacks of potassium nitrate and sugar lie nearby.


In a neat row against the wall is the finished product, homemade mortars. Syrian rebels say they have been forced to make them because their calls for heavy weapons and ammunition to fight President Bashar al-Assad have gone unanswered.


"No one's giving us any support. So we're working on our own to strike Bashar," said a bearded man spinning the metal to create the warhead.
Using the Internet, the workshop of about seven men work together to try and perfect the crude weapons. For explosives, they pick out TNT from unexploded rockets that Assad's forces have fired towards them and repackage them into their own weapons. Each gave different estimates of the mortars' range.


"We're volunteers, we were workers, we were never soldiers. They're locally made. They don't have the strength of the regime's rockets, but they are having good effects," said Abu Mohammed, who said the mortars created a 3-1/2 meter crater.


Another worker said the mortars, which take about a day to make, could reach a distance of 6 km (almost 4 miles).
Although the rebels, who are mostly Sunni Muslim fighters, have made big gains in the northern and eastern parts of Syria in the 21-month conflict, they are outgunned by Assad's forces.
Some rebel groups are receiving supplies from Gulf states, and Western countries say they are giving non-lethal aid. But many rebels say they have not received anything.
Colonel Abdel-Jabbar Oqaidi, who heads the rebels' military council in Aleppo province, told Reuters last week that his forces are fighting without any help from the Western and Arab governments which want Assad removed from power.


"We aren't able to get any weapons from abroad. We have nothing except for the rifle to fight with," said another man at the workshop.


OLD TANKS
The success rate of the weapons is questionable. Two men said the mortars hit 80 to 90 percent of the targets, but there have been problems. Sometimes the mortars do not detonate, other times they explode prematurely.
"The more we practice, the more experience we get," said one of the men, explaining how they discovered that if they let the propelling agent mixture set for too long it absorbed humidity, which in turn stopped the mortar from detonating.


At one of the Aleppo frontline positions, rebels fired the mortars from a homemade tube, fashioned from piping on a mount made from a car axle.
The rebels have also been working on refurbishing weaponry acquired during takeovers of Assad's military bases.


Parked in a residential street, a group of men have been working on fixing a T-72 tank whose gear box was blown.


Abu Jumaa, one of the mechanics working on the 1970s tank, said fighters had taken it from an infantry college in north Syria that had recently fallen to rebel forces.
"We have no tanks, no planes, no artillery. All we have is what we get in spoils and we go to war against him (Assad) with what we get. That's the reality. We're forced to do this," he told Reuters.
"These tanks are useless in the first place. It can't be called a tank, It's a lump of scrap iron," he said gesturing at the chipped army green metal.


Rebel fighters on the frontline consistently complain of shortages of weapons and ammunition that have forced them to stop advances and focus on keeping the ground they have gained.
"We get 3,000 bullets a month. No anti-aircraft missiles ... everything is from the military bases (we take over)," said one young rebel fighter from the Supporters of Mohammed Brigade, wearing a plaid yellow and black turban.


Even though the rebels have managed to seize large quantities of weapons from military bases, they struggle with a chronic shortage of ammunition and weapons to target Assad's fighter jets.
"You see how the planes are striking all of us, not differentiating between old and young ... God has helped us, we've made these rockets and we're using them to hit back at them all over again," said Abu Mohammed.

Note: The link is running scripts

http://news.yahoo.com/desperate-weapons-syrian-rebels-own-fix-tanks-153542107.html

[Ponce]

To keep what little freedom you have left is to keep your guns, for only the guns will keep the traitors at bay............ V

[osoab]

Coming soon for us as well?

Desperate for weapons, Syrian rebels make their own, fix tanks



That is a one big steaming pile of bull turds of an article. Nothing about smuggled arms through NATO and the rest of the gangs in that huh.

[vacuum]

Very large micro sd cards are cheap nowadays. It might be wise to fill one or two with tactical information and hide them (virtually anywhere).

32 GB for $23. That holds a very large number of pdfs

http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Mobile-microSDHC-Memory-SDSDQ-032G-AFFP/dp/B007KFXIDE

[Twisted Titan]

Very large micro sd cards are cheap nowadays. It might be wise to fill one or two with tactical information and hide them (virtually anywhere).

32 GB for $23. That holds a very large number of pdfs

http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Mobile-microSDHC-Memory-SDSDQ-032G-AFFP/dp/B007KFXIDE


That is the chinese knockoff

Which is prone to failure

Only go to reputable dealers

Staples had a sale 16 gigs for 14 dollars

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It's sold by Amazon.com, not a third party seller. It should be ok imo, but it's true only buy from reputable merchants.

[midnight rambler]

That is the chinese knockoff

Which is prone to failure

Only go to reputable dealers

Staples had a sale 16 gigs for 14 dollars

I got ripped off on a Chinese knockoff ScanDisc flash drive, packaging appeared genuine. Screw paying knockoff memory, they've got NO capacity, at least no where near what the packaging says.

[Twisted Titan]

It's sold by Amazon.com, not a third party seller. It should be ok imo, but it's true only buy from reputable merchants.


Read some if those reviews thats exactly what they were barking about

It dosent come in SD packaging just a plastic slip ( hallmark sign of chink chink knock off)
Most of the cards dont go to 32 gigs
Some drives have just died taking photo and files never be seen again