Moronic 'gunowners' and their boneheaded short-sightedness

[midnight rambler]

I keep track of a gun classified website, texasguntraders.com. It's troubling to watch what's going on.

I've seen this sort of nonsense going on several times since '89. I even got sucked up into the 'feeding frenzy'/panic buying in '89 when I bought a FAL paying twice as much as it was worth. Prices eventually come down.

This is what bothers me: gunowners with their head completely up their dumb asses who try to profit wildly from those who need to be brought into the fold - they're placing their OWN EXTREMELY SELFISH personal gain over the need to get as many others as possible armed to defend our rights ESPECIALLY the RKBA. I've confronted some of them and their 'excuse' is that they're merely practicing capitalism (to which I respond, "Capitalism is Communism's 'good twin'.") This sort of nonsense is very short-sighted. Making $1-200 over what one paid for a gun is ok imo, but little do they realize that there's safety in numbers and by pricing guns as to put them out of reach for folks struggling to put beans on the table is about as stupid and short-sighted as it gets. I'm talking about ARs and AKs being offered for 2-5 times what they were selling for prior to 12/14. WASR 10s being listed for 1,000-1,650 (10-12 years ago a Romy WASR 10 sold for $170 NEW). Hell, I even noted someone hawking a 10/22 takedown for SIX HUNDRED dollars. (some are even pawning off their junk for these insane prices, and that's pretty damn low)

[chad]

is there a list leaked list yet of what the named "banned assault weapons" will be?

i saw the panic stuff at cabbalas myself this weekend. i was in the ar accessory aisle and people were buying whatever tapco, etc. stuff they could because it's going to "be banned." some guy was buying wrenches and cleaning stars because they were going to "be banned."

[midnight rambler]

is there a list leaked list yet of what the named "banned assault weapons" will be?


We know what it will encompass - anything capable of accepting a detachable magazine of more than ten rounds and shotguns with tube magazines capable of holding more than five rounds, along with magazines that hold more than ten rounds - pretty much what we first saw in '89, an all out assault on ownership of WHATEVER could be considered a suitable defensive arm, however this time they will probably include the Garand since it's such superb defensive arm (as well as the SKS). 'Panic buying' anything else is just dumb.

[hoarder]

they're placing their OWN EXTREMELY SELFISH personal gain over the need to get as many others as possible armed to defend our rights ESPECIALLY the RKBA. Nothing personal Midnight Rambler, but I think free markets are self-regulating, at least in this case.
The objective being to get as many new gun owners into the fold being the same objective as getting all the guns off the shelves and into the hands of as many people as possible, I don't see any difference between high or low prices paid for them as long as that objective is achieved.

Planning ahead is a function of intellect and those with that ability generally profit from it one way or another. The fact that many were hoarding guns before these false flag shootings means that they were keeping manufacturing at a higher level than it would have been had they not been hoarding in anticipation of higher prices.

The end result of hoarding in anticipation of higher prices is that more firearms end up in the hands of citizens because more were manufactured.

Besides, we don't know if this is another false alarm panic like the last two.

[midnight rambler]

Defending the RKBA is far superior to defending 'free markets'. 'Free markets' exist because of TRKBA - no RKBA = NO free markets.

[EE_]

If I had a large collection as some do, I'd cherry pick my best rifles to be put away and be at the next gun show walking around with price tags on the rest.

The gun grabbers badly want to stop private anonymous transfers of firearms. They have been talking about this for years.
Even if there's no registration, all they have to do is say "no more" and private sales will cease.

There will be no more non-ffl sales at gun shows, advertising in newspapers or on internet.
It's possible you will still be able to trade between friends and family, even though it will be against the law.

[hoarder]

Defending the RKBA is far superior to defending 'free markets'. 'Free markets' exist because of TRKBA - no RKBA = NO free markets.I agree, but I don't see how charging market value in a panic hinders the RKBA in this case.

[midnight rambler]

I agree, but I don't see how charging market value in a panic hinders the RKBA in this case.

Let's say I (foolishly) deferred getting a MBR and I now have a budget of roughly $1,700 tops to get an AR* or decent quality AK*, 10-12 mags, and a case of ammo. The way things stand now I wouldn't be able to afford the rifle, much less the mags and ammo.

You know, a few days after 12/14 a few money-grubbin' suppliers/distributors bumped up their prices SUBSTANTIALLY (Cheaper Than Dirt comes to mind) while others didn't noticeably raise theirs (Cope's Distributing** comes to mind).

*seeing as to how AR and AK mags have gone up 200-300% (when you can find 'em) I've been advising those who've recently discovered they need to get a defensive arm to forget about supporting the money-grubbin' whores and get a Mosin Nagant instead

**I topped off my AK mag cache by ordering some of the last ComBlock AK mags from Cope's on about 12/19 - the owner Roger answered my phone call and was very congenial and helpful, I highly recommend Cope's Distributing, they are not out to take advantage of folks (when they could be greedy knuckleheads like so many others)

[hoarder]

Let's say I (foolishly) deferred getting a MBR and I now have a budget of roughly $1,700 tops to get an AR* or decent quality AK*, 10-12 mags, and a case of ammo. The way things stand now I wouldn't be able to afford the rifle, much less the mags and ammo. Then another buyer will get the AR or AK . It would not prevent the gun from falling into the hands of a citizen.

You know, a few days after 12/14 a few money-grubbin' suppliers/distributors bumped up their prices SUBSTANTIALLY (Cheaper Than Dirt comes to mind) In the OP, gunowners rather than dealers were being admonished for making a handsome profit. OK, lets look at dealers...
Dealers who stocked heavily in anticipation of Obama getting re-appointed by the owners of voting machines encouraged manufacturers to ramp up production, meaning more guns in the hands of citizens.
How many guns a gun manufacturer builds depends on how many orders from dealers he gets. The more orders, the better for citizens.
Non-greedy dealers who had no anticipation of handsome profits from panic sales had no reason to gamble on stocking heavily and thus deprived citizens of firearms that would have been manufactured if they had ordered.

See how easy it is for me to twist things around?

[madfranks]

If you wanted to sell your rifle, all other things being equal, would you sell it to the guy who is willing to pay you $1000 or would you sell it to the guy willing to pay you $2000?

[EE_]

I think this would be a nice set-up for someone that has an AK.
Accessories are getting gobbled up now with so many new owners of these scary rifles.
I think that will be the trend for some time to come.

UltaMac Upper Handguard/gas tube
http://www.impactguns.com/Data/Default/Images/uploads/ultimak/ultimak_m2B.jpg

K-Var Lower handguard
http://www.dinzagarms.com/furniture/kvar/ak-022usb.jpg

Arsenal (NATO Length) Buttstock
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g66/bwinavw/2012-12-23132725.jpg

US Palm Battle Grip
http://www.aimsurplus.com/eos/images/product/xuspakbg1.jpg

Add an Aimpoint Micro T1
http://images1.opticsplanet.com/365-240-ffffff/opplanet-aimpoint-micro-t-1-4-mo-nvc-red-dot-sight-ai-rd-t1rds-11830-ee.jpg

[EE_]

If you wanted to sell your rifle, all other things being equal, would you sell it to the guy who is willing to pay you $1000 or would you sell it to the guy willing to pay you $2000?

The price doesn't matter anymore...dealers are all sold out and the guns are in 'consumer's' hands.