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joboo
31st December 2012, 06:02 AM
Started noticing some whey manufacturers advertizing hydrolyzed whey, touting it's instant bio-availability. Even Optimum Nutrition (one of the highest quality rated non organic wheys) uses what they call "Hydrowhey"

Also, how whey is processed has a lot to do with whether it's worth the money or not (Link at bottom). The differences are substantial.

Hmmm..... Mega dosing MSG or what?

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Could your energy bar, fluid replacement drink, or post-workout recovery meal ultimately be hindering your performance? It’s very likely due to the many artificial processed ingredients out there. Many foods athletes consume contain the infamous MSG. We all know that person who can’t eat Chinese food because they’ll get a headache from the MSG.

Maybe that is you. Well, guess what? Whether you have a symptom or not, you’re eating MSG containing foods every day, even if you shop at a health food store like Whole Foods. Your whey protein shake that you use to recover after a workout or that energy bar you pack for the long ride most likely contain MSG, though they don’t actually say those words.

You will have a problem with MSG even if you don’t realize it – headache or no headache – fatigue or no fatigue. It is not an allergy. It is not sensitivity. It is a toxic substance called an excitotoxin and they’re in a lot of foods that athletes eat daily.

Excitotoxicity occurs when receptors in your body are stimulated to such a degree they are rapidly killed off. Excitotoxins are formed due to too much of the amino acid glutamic acid (glutamate), necessary in small amounts, when present in high “free” amounts. Combine the glutamate amino acid with sodium and you have MSG (Mono Sodium Glutamate). This is a glutamate problem, not one from the sodium in the MSG. Rarely is this added to food anymore as actual MSG.

Rather it is made thru food processing – common foods you are eating every day – (see the bottom of this article for those hidden words). These amino acids are artificially released during processing and your body doesn’t know how to handle so much at once. Foods you are eating from your health food store every day contain free processed glutamate.

Yeah, sorry Whole Foods; MSG is rampant there too. Funny how health stores like that would never think of selling a diet soda made with NutraSweet but they have products loaded with free glutamate. There really isn’t much difference. Aspartic acid (aspartate), found in NutraSweet (Aspartame “Equal”) is also an excitotoxin.

Food manufacturers will say this processing is “natural” because glutamate, (and aspartate), are natural too and your body needs them to survive. But the levels that accumulate are not natural to any degree. They are more than abnormal. They are extremely toxic.

Glutamate receptors lie throughout the body – especially the brain. Eating MSG foods can increase your levels 20X or higher. This is over-stimulatory and damages many cells in the body. Humans are more sensitive than any other animal on Earth and newborns are 4X more sensitive than adults.

Glutamate and Aspartate pass thru the placenta and will (not might) alter brain formation. The effects of a baby in utero has been directly linked to hormonal problems later on in life - low testosterone and growth hormone in boys & low estrogen and growth hormone in girls, also leading to early onset menses, PMS, and even infertility, just from what their mother consumed.

Aging brains in the elderly are also four times more sensitive due to excess free iron levels in the body which increase free radical levels even more. More excitotoxins = more free radicals. More free radicals = faster aging. There are suspected links to Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s as with other toxins, such as the heavy metals mercury and aluminum.

Interesting though is the increase in free radical damage from too much glutamate allowing too much calcium into brain cells, so neurons fire too rapidly, and die. Normally this occurs in small amounts until the diet contains even just some bit of MSG. Yet many doctors love to tell their aging patients to “get your calcium” and load them up with mega doses of the mineral. This results in flooding the brain and furthering degeneration.

But wait, there’s more! Excitotoxins will also:
Lower blood sugar levels – especially glucose levels in the brain (that will mess up yer thinkin’). Think about how many diabetics are advised by their RD’s, (Registered Dieticians – most who are focused solely on minimal Food Pyramid requirements and calories consumed), to use NutraSweet since it is “sugar free”. Not a good idea. And consider the person who is already having memory problems not to mention some forms of dementia in the elderly.



Damage your mitochondria (the energy centers of your cells). This equals cell death. You won’t race well if your mitochondria are failing; your aerobic system (http://sock-doc.com/2011/03/aerobic-or-anaerobic/) will suffer.



Deplete magnesium (linked to heart problems and fatigue) – some research supports that 75% of the population is deficient in Mg. Many athletes are low in Mg.



Deplete vitamin E, B vitamins, and flavonoids (powerful antioxidants found in colorful foods and herbs). Again, these athletes need these nutrients in high amounts.



Increase inflammation – not something an athlete wants. Increased inflammation leads to slower recovery, injuries, and prolonged injury healing times.



Suppress immunity – that means you’re more likely to get sick. The couch will be your new training partner.



Affect parts of your brain associated with emotion (MSG and NutraSweet = rage)


***Aspartic acid is hidden in many nutritional supplements. It is not under any tricky names though. Look for aspartic acid in the ingredients and Aspartate in the label where the minerals are listed. For example, magnesium aspartate and chromium aspartate are common. Other than that the only other source is diet soda (not Splenda, which you shouldn’t even think of consuming. If you are, read up about it more on this site). NutraSweet, commonly known as Equal, is Aspartame.

*** What about l-Glutamine supplementation? Your body needs glutamate in a small amount and along with ammonia, can convert into glutamine. But it can go the other way too, that is, glutamine can convert to glutamate, and that obviously would not be a good thing. If the glutamine accumulates outside the brain, then typically there are no problems, but if levels rise high enough and accumulate inside the brain, then problems such as those associated with other excitotoxins can occur. A lot of glutamine is used as muscle fuel so if you’re not using it up that way (high intensity exercise) then you have a higher chance of brain glutamine accumulation. And if that happens, well, this will all joggle your brain because you’ve got toxic excitotoxins.

Hidden sources of MSG with tricky names:
ALWAYS CONTAIN MSG: MSG, Monosodium Glutamate, Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein, Vegetable Protein, Hydrolyzed Plant Protein, Plant Protein Extract, Sodium Caseinate, Calcium Caseinate, Yeast Extract, Textured Protein, Autolyzed Protein, Autolyzed Yeast, and Hydrolyzed Oat Flour. ** Hydrolyzed Whey Protein and Hydrolyzed Soy Protein are often found in energy bars and drinks that so many triathletes, runners, and cyclists consume. Some say even whey protein isolates and soy protein isolates contain some MSG. **

FREQUENTLY CONTAIN MSG: Malt extract, Malt Flavoring, Maltodextrin, Bouillon, Broth, Stock, Flavoring, Natural Flavoring, Natural Beef or Chicken Flavoring, Seasoning and Spices.

SOMETIMES CONTAIN: Carrageenan, Enzymes, Soy Protein Concentrate, Soy Protein Isolate, and Protein Concentrate.

Foods to watch out for include: Soybean milk (naturally high in glutamate & often has hydrolyzed vegetable protein added to it), kombu, miso, and soy sauces all contain MSG.

http://sock-doc.com/2011/03/excitotoxins/


Types of whey processing:
http://www.fitnessatlantic.com/whey_protein_hard_facts.htm

(http://www.fitnessatlantic.com/whey_protein_hard_facts.htm) Whey protein concentrate (WPC):



Is the cheapest whey protein
Is denatured - the beneficial protein structures are destroyed
Contains higher amounts of cholesterol, oxidized to a large degree


Hydrolyzed whey protein:



Has hypoallergenic properties
Is partially predigested - the degrees of predigestion vary
Its amino acids are more readily available, one of them is known to have excitotoxic properties (glutamate)
May play a role in excitotoxin-induced brain damage


Ion-exchange whey protein isolate:



Has low if any amounts of lactose, fats and cholesterol
Many of the native whey protein structures are destroyed
It is denatured to a large degree
Beta-lactoglobulin globulin is present in higher quantities, which may lead to allergies.


Microfiltered whey protein isolate:



Has low if any amounts of lactose, fats and cholesterol
Retains its native proteins intact
Is twice as expensive as WPC and ion-exchange protein
Promotes muscle repair and growth
Strengthens the immune function
Has detoxifying and antioxidant properties


(http://www.fitnessatlantic.com/whey_protein_hard_facts.htm)

madfranks
31st December 2012, 07:37 AM
Could your energy bar, fluid replacement drink, or post-workout recovery meal ultimately be hindering your performance?

No, because I don't eat that crap!

joboo
31st December 2012, 08:05 AM
Actually a well produced whey product is good for the body, not crap at all. Same with some brands of protein bars. You just have to know what to look for.

Excitotoxins are present in nearly everything processed.

When you're aiming for 0.8 - 1.5 grams of protein per lb of body weight, a lot of health minded people turn to protein supplements.

If you want to dump the fat, you need to build muscle, and that involves upping your protein intake approaching the above levels.

It's epidemic. Wonder how long before the lawsuits start flying.

More good info here:

Excitotoxins: Chemicals that Destroy Your Health
http://www.rejuvinstitute.com/excitotoxins-chemicals-destroy-health

(http://www.rejuvinstitute.com/excitotoxins-chemicals-destroy-health)"In order for a food product to be labeled with containing MSG it has to be over 90% pure MSG.

When the label says it doesn’t contain MSG that is not necessarily true it may just not have the purest form of MSG. That is why you need to learn all the names to avoid."

General of Darkness
31st December 2012, 08:39 AM
My recovery drink is a bloody mary.

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gunDriller
31st December 2012, 01:22 PM
there's always

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joboo
31st December 2012, 03:07 PM
there's always




Not exactly a recovery scenario. I guess you can only impart certain info to some folks. ;)

There is a set window to get protein in the body after a workout. Regular digestion takes hours, when you have about an hour. Ideally you want to exercise early in the morning before eating. This is where whey comes in. It all depends how fit you want to be.

Good tasting beer, but it's GMO ingredients no?

Cebu_4_2
31st December 2012, 03:40 PM
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sirgonzo420
31st December 2012, 05:23 PM
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joboo
31st December 2012, 05:59 PM
Note to self. Reserve health related info for other internet forums.

;D