illinois senate president to introduce bill banning ALL modern firearms

[chad]

all. no grandfathering. all. turn them in. i know this won't pass, but it gives insight as to what they really want in the long run. nationally, an assault weapons ban will be first, in 10 years, this.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/01/robert-farago/breaking-illinois-bill-to-ban-all-modern-firearms/

“The ISRA has learned from a credible source that Illinois Senate President John Cullerton (http://www.ilga.gov/senate/Senator.asp?MemberID=1423) [above] will introduce a so called ‘assault weapons’ ban on Wednesday when the legislature returns for its ‘lame duck’ session. Cullerton hopes to ramrod the bill through and get it to Governor Quinn for signature by Friday. If he is successful at doing so, nearly every gun you currently own will be banned and will be subject to confiscation by the Illinois State Police . . .

“Based on what we know about Cullerton’s bill, firearms that would be banned include all semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns. Pump action shotguns would be banned as well. This would be a very comprehensive ban that would include not only so-called ‘assault weapons’ but also such classics as M1 Garands and 1911-based pistols. There would be no exemptions and no grandfathering. You would have a very short window to turn in your guns to the State Police to avoid prosecution.”

TTAG’s sources tell us there will be two bills: one for semi-automatic rifles, lever guns, shotguns and handguns with certain features (e.g., threaded barrels); and one for ammunition magazine capacity.
Mags would be limited to 10 rounds and owners of existing magazines holding more than 10 rounds would have to register them with the state police.

One [non-ISRA] gun guy on the front lines in the Land of Lincoln tells TTAG that the odds of the bills going through are 50 – 50. He advises gun owners both in and out of state to call Senate President Cullerton at 217 782 2000 and/or find another legislator to pester at ilga.gov (http://www.ilga.gov/).

“If gun owners around the country melt the phone lines in the next three days we can push this thing back . . . that would be a tremendous morale boost ahead of federal legislation.”

[Ponce]

So FUCKING WHAT?.......murder is illegal, burglary is illegal, rape is illegal and all that doesnt mean shit because is happening all the time and most of the time nothing is being done about it......the new stupid laws will the flame that will ignite a revoution in this country.........in the beginning the laws were made to protect the people but now days they are to contro the people

V

[midnight rambler]

Mags would be limited to 10 rounds and owners of existing magazines holding more than 10 rounds would have to register them with the state police.

I posted previously that one of the goals of the gungrabbers is a magazine registry - and there it is for all to see.

[chad]

why let you keep a magazine that holds 10 rounds or less when you can't keep the firearm it is compatible with? you're supposed to throw a loaded mag at a burgler or something?

[midnight rambler]

why let you keep a magazine that holds 10 rounds or less when you can't keep the firearm it is compatible with? you're supposed to throw a loaded mag at a burgler or something?

Sorry, I can offer no explanation for irrational behavior.

And who said anything about allowing anyone other than state actors to have ammo?? ???

[Horn]

So FUCKING WHAT?.......murder is illegal, burglary is illegal, rape is illegal and all that doesnt mean shit because is happening all the time and most of the time nothing is being done about it......the new stupid laws will the flame that will ignite a revoution in this country.........in the beginning the laws were made to protect the people but now days they are to contro the people

V

I'm with Ponce,

If the Drug War or Prohibition are any example, it will create a market for even more dangerous weapons becoming available. It will be interesting to see what strategic type small nuclear devices become available on the black market.:rolleyes:

[General of Darkness]

This is just fricken sad. My guess is that this will push people over the edge, I just hope if they decide to be "actionary" that they address the people that are promoting this type of agenda.

[AndreaGail]

if passed, chicago's 500ish murders last year is gonna look like the "good ole days"

[Libertytree]

The day's a comin where there ain't no more backin up and askin not to be fucked with, the push back along with a bunch of built up frustration is bound to happen.

[osoab]

You know this is comical coming on the heels of the ccw beat down.

[chad]

The day's a comin where there ain't no more backin up and askin not to be fucked with, the push back along with a bunch of built up frustration is bound to happen.

i think they want it lt.

[Libertytree]

i think they want it lt.

Sometimes ya gotta be careful what ya wish for.

[gunDriller]

so if they pass one of these bills - and you previously had registered one of the guns that is now banned - you are now ... what is the word ... SCREWED ?!

so much for US citizens trying to "be honest" & "do the right thing" - when it comes to appeasing the "Government" (historically known as Fascists.)


the path is clear - keep your gun business to yourself. do not inform the government.

don't even tell your "doctor" - because it's realistic that the government will access those medical records.

[willie pete]

I don't see this going anywhere, except maybe to litigation IF it even gets close to passing

[EE_]

Do CCW licensed people have to register a specific gun they will be carrying?

[Ponce]

You guys don't get it, all that they are doing now is ringing the bell at the front door.....they first have put it issue infront of you so that when it actually happens it won't give you a heart attack and you do something crazy.....get the cattle used to something so that when something bad happens they will do nothing because they are used to it.... like getting a dog used to the sound of a firearm and not being scared.

[hoarder]

The ISRA has learned from a credible source that Illinois Senate President John Cullerton (http://www.ilga.gov/senate/Senator.asp?MemberID=1423) [above] will introduce a so called ‘assault weapons’ ban on Wednesday when the legislature returns for its ‘lame duck’ session. Another dual citizen hard at work destroying our liberty.

[LuckyStrike]

Fuck John Collerton, and fuck EVERYONE who wants to take my guns (that were lost in a most unfortunate boating accident)

[midnight rambler]

Does anyone other than me find it odd that it's primarily members of a certain minority (Z tribe), a minority which composes less than 6% of the population, who are pushing so vigorously for gun control?




















/sarc

[Libertytree]

You guys don't get it, all that they are doing now is ringing the bell at the front door.....they first have put it issue infront of you so that when it actually happens it won't give you a heart attack and you do something crazy.....get the cattle used to something so that when something bad happens they will do nothing because they are used to it.... like getting a dog used to the sound of a firearm and not being scared.

No, we get it just fine, thank you. We know what we're steppin in.

[EE_]

If these bans really do take hold, I know no one here will be registering firearms.
These new laws however, may really hurt the sport shooting industry. People will be affraid to take banned guns out of their homes or travel with them. The only place to shoot may be on your own property.

[willie pete]

You guys don't get it, all that they are doing now is ringing the bell at the front door.....they first have put it issue infront of you so that when it actually happens it won't give you a heart attack and you do something crazy.....get the cattle used to something so that when something bad happens they will do nothing because they are used to it.... like getting a dog used to the sound of a firearm and not being scared.

I "get it" and I can sum your paragraph up in one word→ "conditioning" ..remember this guy is a member of the illnois state senate, the illinois state senate doesn't write law for the nation, and it wasn't too long ago under some clown named clinton's administration and a democratic controlled house & senate, an assault rifle ban was tucked in the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, it expired after 10 years.....the "conditioning" started a long time ago, what's important is to let these congressional crooks know how you feel, in a diplomatic and polite way, and that you'll vote'em out if they don't come around...

[Hatha Sunahara]

No doubt this Illinois attempt is a trial run to see what will happen. A trial run. See how the politicians test the waters?

They expect to get 70% of the guns by people just turning them in for fear of going to jail. They will have 'buyback programs' If you turn in your guns at this point, you will have no protection from whatever comes next. They will relentlessly hunt down the remaining 30% of the guns. They might wind up killing a large percentage of the population to get the guns.

If they only get a handful of guns turned in voluntarily (instead of the 70% they expect), they will think twice about continuing with their efforts. Here's an opportunity for all Americans to practice passive resistance. If you cooperate with evil, it will eventually bite you in the ass, but in this case, it might kill you. If 70% volunteer their weapons, 100% of us will be screwed. Those who want everyone to live in something far worse than the Soviet Union will voluntarily give up their guns. The guns are what keep us free. Read the Pravda article telling Americans not to give up their guns:

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/28-12-2012/123335-americans_guns-0/

The smart, constructive response for anybody in this issue is 'molon labe' which is Greek for 'come and get them'. 300 Spartans turned a huge Persian army around at Thermopylae by refusing to lay down their weapons. Political power comes from the barrel of a gun. Thank chairman Mao for that reminder.

Molon labe.


Hatha

[Santa]

Exactly!!!!! MOLON LABE.

[7th trump]

This has been discussed over at the tree................nobody over there has found any creditable source.
It appears to be made up rant by Quin whos latest legislation has been voted down!
Quins a temper tantrum crybaby of a politician!


The tree seems to have all the important issues already discussed and/or debunked hours before this forum does.

[EE_]

CHEKA (Soviet Extraordinary Commission) Russian film
Published on Dec 20, 2012

The Chekist (Russian: Чекист) is a 1992 Russian drama film directed by Aleksandr Rogozhkin. It was screened in the Un Certain Regard section at the 1992 Cannes Film Festival. The film is currently not in distribution.

At the direction of Lenin, the CHEKA performed mass arrests and executions of "enemies of the people".

"Without mercy, without sparing, we will kill our enemies in scores of hundreds. Let them be thousands, let them drown themselves in their own blood."

Many victims of CHEKA repression were 'bourgeois hostages' rounded up and held in readiness for summary execution in reprisal for any alleged counter-revolutionary act. Lenin's dictum was: that it was better to arrest 100 innocent people rather than to risk one enemy going free. That ensured that wholesale, indiscriminate executions became an integral part of the soviet system.

CHEKA developed a efficient technique for execution, a shot to the nape of the neck, which caused minimal blood loss and instant death.

CHEKA departments were organized in cities, villages, at any front-lines and military formations. Many who were hired to head those departments were so-called "nestlings of Kerensky" (Russian: птенцы Керенского), the former political and criminal convicts released by the Kerensky amnesty.

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[willie pete]

This has been discussed over at the tree................nobody over there has found any creditable source.
It appears to be made up rant by Quin whos latest legislation has been voted down!
Quins a temper tantrum crybaby of a politician!


The tree seems to have all the important issues already discussed and/or debunked hours before this forum does.

seems suspicious to me, since the SCOTUS ruled in favor of Heller v. District of Columbia, why would a state senator try and construct a bill on an issue that the SCOTUS has ruled against?

[7th trump]

seems suspicious to me, since the SCOTUS ruled in favor of Heller v. District of Columbia, why would a state senator try and construct a bill on an issue that the SCOTUS has ruled against?
Exactly!
The only way they could ever fully disarm the American people is to ratify the Constitution altogether in favor doing away with the second amendment.
That will never happen!
Ratifications are a whole other animal where the People actually make that decision, not politicians making policy.

[Libertytree]

Then the question is...does an EO over ride everything else? At least till it gets sorted out in a court? ( and I use the term "court" very loosely)

[vacuum]

Then the question is...does an EO over ride everything else? At least till it gets sorted out in a court? ( and I use the term "court" very loosely)

From a black Kenyan communist who did Fast and Furious? Good luck with that...

[Twisted Titan]

i think they want it lt.

They have NEVER seen Americans fight when they realize they have NOTHING LEFT TO LOSE.

[old steel]

They have NEVER seen Americans fight when they realize they have NOTHING LEFT TO LOSE.


No one living has.

[osoab]

This story may have legs.

ISRA: They’re coming to get your guns (http://capitolfax.com/2013/01/02/isra-theyre-coming-to-get-your-guns/)

[osoab]

Looks like there are legs.

http://capitolfax.com/



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Looks like there is the gun ban, a high-cap mag ban, and maybe a gun range super regulation (ban) in the works.

[osoab]

Illinois Gun Ban Legislation HB 1263 Summary (http://bunkerindex.blogspot.com/2013/01/illinois-gun-ban-legislation-hb-1263.html)
Posted by Ernest


Glad I'm not still in Illinois. Though from this it looks I would only have two guns that fell under the tender administrations of the Illinois State Police.

Ok, here's a brief summary of the weapons banned under this legislation:

-Any semi-automatic or pump action rifle which can accept a detachable magazine or has a folding stock, a pistol grip, or a barrel shroud.

-Any semi-automatic pistol which can accept a detachable magazine or has an external magazine or a shroud or weighs over 50 ounces unloaded.

-Any weapon that is a semi-automatic version of an automatic one.

-Anything semi-automatic which holds more than 10 rounds.

Under this, you have to register with the state police any of these weapons no later than 90 days after January 1, 2014. After that date, you can only transfer the weapon to a heir, to someone out of state, or to a licensed firearms dealer (who can't sell it to anyone in the state). And within 10 days you've got to notify the state police as to who you sold/transferred it to.

Then the law exempts law enforcement, prison wardens, soldiers (only while performing their official duties or traveling in Illinois), and registered olympic atheletes.

There's a lot of stuff in there about control, licensing, and monitoring of shooting ranges which I won't go into.

Getting caught with an unregistered weapon after January 1, 2014 is a CLASS 3 FELONY. Getting caught the second time is a CLASS 2 FELONY. The felony charges stack with each other. If you get caught with 3 unregistered guns then it is THREE DIFFERENT CHARGES.

If you lose your guns in a "tragic canoe accident" then you have 72 hours to notify the state police.

[osoab]

The Floor Amendments In Illinois (http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-floor-amendments-in-illinois.html)


The gun prohibitionists in the Illinois Senate are using existing House Bill 815 (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=815&GAID=11&DocTypeID=HB&LegId=56601&SessionID=84&GA=97) and House Bill 1263 (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=1263&GAID=11&DocTypeID=HB&LegId=57242&SessionID=84&GA=97) as their vehicle to license shooting ranges, ban so-called assault weapons, ban new standard capacity magazines, and require registration and fees for grandfathered magazines. Both bills are the subject of hearings currently on-going by the Illinois Senate Public Health Committee.

HB 815 originally dealt with updating a nuclear safety law while HB 1263 deals with sexual offenders.

HB 815 has two amendments. The first, Senate Floor Amendment No. 001 deals with licensing shooting ranges and "large capacity ammunition feeding devices." It was introduced by Sen. Dan Kotowski (D-Chicago). The text of the amendment can be found here (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09700HB0815sam001&GA=97&SessionId=84&DocTypeId=HB&LegID=56601&DocNum=815&GAID=11&Session=).

The second amendment to HB 815, Senate Floor Amendment No. 002, requires the registration of grandfathered magazines with the Illinois State Police and the payment of a $5 per magazine fee. It was also introduced by Sen. Dan Kotowski. The full text of this amendment can be found here (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09700HB0815sam002&GA=97&SessionId=84&DocTypeId=HB&LegID=56601&DocNum=815&GAID=11&Session=).

HB 1263 has two amendments and both were submitted by Sen. Antonio Munoz (D-Chicago). Senate Floor Amendment No. 005 contains another range licensing bill and, more importantly, the assault weapons (sic) ban. .50 BMG firearms are also banned. The text of this amendment can be found here (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09700HB1263sam005&GA=97&SessionId=84&DocTypeId=HB&LegID=57242&DocNum=1263&GAID=11&Session=).

The second amendment to HB 1263, Senate Floor Amendment No. 006, deals with the existing so-called assault weapons. It requires their registration and the payment of a $10 fee per rifle to the Illinois State Police. .50 firearms will require a $15 per firearm fee along with their registration. The text of this amendment can be found here (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09700HB1263sam006&GA=97&SessionId=84&DocTypeId=HB&LegID=57242&DocNum=1263&GAID=11&Session=).

[vacuum]

Illinois Gun Ban Legislation HB 1263 Summary (http://bunkerindex.blogspot.com/2013/01/illinois-gun-ban-legislation-hb-1263.html)



wow

I wonder what the best course of action would be if this actually passes? What if hundreds of people (upstanding community members) just decided to ignore it and chose to go to jail?

[osoab]

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09700HB1263sam006&GA=97&SessionId=84&DocTypeId=HB&LegID=57242&DocNum=1263&GAID=11&Session=



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AMENDMENT TO HOUSE BILL 1263



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AMENDMENT NO. ______. Amend House Bill 1263, AS AMENDED,


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with reference to page and line numbers of Senate Amendment No.


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5, by replacing lines 8 through 26 of page 11 and lines 1


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through 8 of page 12 with the following:


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"(a-5) The Department of State Police shall take all steps


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necessary to carry out the requirements of this Section within


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150 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the


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97th General Assembly.


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(b) Except as otherwise provided in subsections (c) and


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(d), 240 days after the effective ate of this amendatory Act of


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the 97th General Assembly, it is unlawful for any person within


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this State to knowingly possess a semi-automatic assault


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weapon, an assault weapon attachment, a .50 caliber rifle, or a


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.50 caliber cartridge.


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(c) This Section does not apply to a person who possessed a


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semi-automatic assault weapon, an assault weapon attachment, a


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.50 caliber rifle, or a .50 caliber cartridge prohibited by













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subsection (b-5) before the effective date of this amendatory


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Act of the 97th General Assembly provided that the person has


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provided proof of ownership, his or her name, and other


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identifying information, as the Department of State Police may


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direct, including, but not limited to, the individual's Firearm


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Owner's Identification Card number and the description and


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serial number (if any) of each weapon or attachment, to the


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Department of State Police, as required by the Department, on


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or after 150 days after the effective date of this amendatory


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Act of the 97th General Assembly but within 240 days after the


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effective date of this amendatory Act of the 97th General


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Assembly. Beginning 240 days after the effective date of this


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amendatory Act of the 97th General Assembly, the person may


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transfer the semi-automatic assault weapon, assault weapon


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attachment, .50 caliber rifle, or .50 caliber cartridge only to


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an heir, an individual residing in another state maintaining


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that device in another state, or a dealer licensed as a federal


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firearms dealer under Section 923 of the federal Gun Control


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Act of 1968. Within 10 days after transfer of the


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semi-automatic assault weapon, assault weapon attachment, .50


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caliber rifle, or .50 caliber cartridge, the person shall


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notify the Department of State Police of the name and address


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of the transferee and comply with the requirements of


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subsection (b) of Section 3 of the Firearm Owners


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Identification Card Act. The Department shall promulgate any


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subsection, and may utilize emergency rule making under Section


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5-45 of the Illinois Administrative Procedure Act in its


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initial implementation of the provisions of this subsection


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only.


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(c-5) For the purpose of receiving and processing the


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information required to be submitted under subsection (c), the


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Department of State Police shall charge a registration fee of


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$10 per semi-automatic assault weapon or assault weapon


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attachment, and $15 per .50 caliber rifle. The fees collected


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Maintenance Fund. "; and



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by replacing lines 19 through 26 of page 13 and lines 1 through


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"(8) The possession of a semi-automatic assault weapon only


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for a hunting use expressly permitted under the Wildlife Code,


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or while traveling to or from a location authorized for such


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hunting use under the Wildlife Code if the weapon is broken


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down in a"; and



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on page 14, line 12 by changing "(10)" to "(9)"; and



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"Section 99. Effective date. This Act takes effect July 1,


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[osoab]

Mag ban amendments for HB 815 They use Heller in their reasoning. Bye, Bye local clubs.

Senate Amendment 001 (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09700HB0815sam001&GA=97&SessionId=84&DocTypeId=HB&LegID=56601&DocNum=0815&GAID=11&Session=)

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AMENDMENT TO HOUSE BILL 815

2 AMENDMENT NO. ______. Amend House Bill 815 as follows:

3 immediately above the enacting clause, by inserting the
4 following:

5 "WHEREAS, the United States Supreme Court, in its decision
6 in District of Columbia v. Heller (No. 07-290), found that the
7 Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects an
8 individual right to possess a firearm, and to use that firearm
9 for traditionally lawful purposes, including self-defense; and

10 WHEREAS, in that same decision, the United States Supreme
11 Court also found that the individual right to possess and use a
12 firearm was not unlimited, that the government has the ability
13 to regulate the possession and use of firearms, and that this
14 right "does not protect those weapons not typically possessed
15 by law abiding citizens for lawful purposes", and that the




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1 government may ban entirely "dangerous and unusual weapons";
2 and

3 WHEREAS, the United States Supreme Court, in its decision
4 in McDonald v. City of Chicago (No. 08-1521), found that its
5 holding in the Heller case applied to the States, reiterating
6 its findings regarding the validity of the regulation of the
7 individual right to possess and use a firearm, and noting
8 expressly that such incorporation of the holding in the Heller
9 case via the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States
10 Constitution "does not imperil every law regulating firearms";
11 therefore"; and

12 by replacing everything after the enacting clause with the
13 following:

14
"ARTICLE 1. ILLINOIS SHOOTING RANGE LICENSING ACT.


15 Section 1-1. Short title. This Act shall be known as the
16 Illinois Shooting Range Licensing Act.

17 Section 1-5. Definitions.
18 "Department" means the Department of State Police.
19 "Director" means the Director of State Police.
20 "Firearm" has the meaning provided in Section 1.1 of the
21 Firearm Owners Identification Card Act.




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1 "Range safety officer" means a person who possesses the
2 knowledge, skills, and aptitude essential to organizing,
3 conducting and supervising safe shooting range activities, and
4 who is certified under the National Rifle Association's Range
5 Safety Officer Program or other equivalent
6 nationally-recognized range safety officer certification.
7 "Shooting range" means a specialized facility designed for
8 firearms practice.
9 "Shooting range activities" means target shooting and any
10 other activities conducted at a shooting range involving the
11 discharge or other use of firearms.
12 "Shooting range operator" means a person who is licensed as
13 a federal firearms dealer under Section 923 of the federal Gun
14 Control Act of 1968, and who owns or operates a shooting range
15 licensed by the Department under this Act.

16 Section 1-10. Shooting ranges and shooting range
17 operators.
18 (a) Beginning on January 1, 2014, no person may own or
19 operate a shooting range that is open to the public unless that
20 shooting range has been issued a license by the Director under
21 this Act.
22 (b) The Department shall license shooting ranges and shall
23 promulgate rules regarding the standards for the ownership,
24 safety, and operation of shooting ranges licensed under this
25 Act, which at a minimum shall require that at all shooting




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1 range activities conducted at a licensed shooting range by
2 persons other than the shooting range operator, or his or her
3 immediate family, shall be carried out under the supervision of
4 a range safety officer. The Department shall create standards
5 for both indoor and outdoor shooting ranges, which shall
6 include, at a minimum, the space required for each type of
7 shooting range, and the nature and composition of the backstop,
8 bullet trap, or berm required for each type of shooting range.
9 The Department may develop standards for indoor and outdoor
10 shooting ranges that include maximum caliber ratings and
11 whether magnum and other high-powered bullets can be safely
12 fired into a given backstop, bullet trap, or berm. The
13  Department shall promulgate any other rules it may deem
14 necessary to carry out the provisions of this Act, including
15 the establishment of fees charged and collected for licensing
16 and the duration of licenses issued under this Act.

17 Section 1-15. Judicial review of final administrative
18 decisions. All final administrative decisions of the
19  Department under this Act, including final administrative
20 decisions of the Director of State Police to deny an
21 application for licensure for a shooting range, or to revoke
22 the license of a shooting range, shall be subject to judicial
23 review under the provisions of the Administrative Review Law,
24 and all amendments and modifications thereof, and the rules
25 adopted pursuant thereto. The term "administrative decision"




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1 is defined as in Section 3-101 of the Code of Civil Procedure.

2 Section 1-20. Firearms Owner's Identification Card.
3 (a) Only a holder of valid Firearm Owner's Identification
4 Card may discharge a firearm on a shooting range licensed under
5 this Act.
6 (b) No shooting range operator shall permit an individual
7 to discharge a firearm on a shooting range licensed under this
8 Act, until that individual shall have first displayed a valid
9 Firearm Owner's Identification Card to the shooting range
10 operator or to the range safety officer.

11 Section 1-25. Exemptions. This Act shall not apply to a
12 shooting range that is:
13 (a) Located on private land that is not open to the public.
14 (b) Located on land owned by clubs or other organizations
15 that is open only to members of the club or other organization
16 and their invited guests.
17 (c) Configured for use in trapshooting, skeet shooting, or
18 sporting clays.
19 (d) Used solely by peace officers, as defined in Section
20 2-13 of the Criminal Code of 2012.
21 (e) Used solely by correctional officers employed by the
22  Department of Corrections, or by county correctional officers
23 or court security officers, as defined in Section 2 of the
24 Illinois Police Training Act.




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1 (f) Used solely by members of the Armed Services or Reserve
2 Forces of the United States or the Illinois National Guard,
3 while in the performance of their official duties.
4 (g) Used solely for air rifles, as defined by Section
5 24.8-0.1 of the Criminal Code of 2012.

6 Section 1-30. Sentence. A person who violates any provision
7 of this Act, or the rules promulgated under this Act, is guilty
8 of a petty offense for a first violation. A second or
9 subsequent violation of this Act, or the rules promulgated
10 under this Act, is a Class A misdemeanor, and may be grounds
11 for the revocation of the license of the shooting range by the
12  Department.

13 Section 1-35. Home rule. A home rule unit may not regulate
14 or license shooting ranges or shooting range operators in a
15 manner more restrictive than the regulation by the Department
16 of shooting ranges under this Act. This Section is a limitation
17 on home rule powers and functions under subsection (i) of
18 Section 6 of Article VII of the Illinois Constitution on the
19 concurrent exercise by home rule units of powers and functions
20 exercised by the State. Nothing in this Section shall be
21 construed to limit the zoning authority of any home rule unit.

22
ARTICLE 5.






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1 Section 5-5. The Criminal Code of 2012 is amended by adding
2 Sections 24-1.10, and 24-4.1 as follows:

3 (720 ILCS 5/24-1.10 new)
4 Sec. 24-1.10. Possession, delivery, sale, and purchase of
5 large capacity ammunition feeding devices.
6 (a) As used in this Section:
7 "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means:
8 (1) a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar
9 device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily
10 restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of
11 ammunition; or
12 (2) any combination of parts from which a device
13 described in paragraph (1) can be assembled.
14 "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" does not
15 include a rifle with a fixed tubular magazine located under the
16 barrel that is only capable of holding rounds of ammunition
17 placed end to end. For purposes of this Section, a fixed
18 magazine is one that can only be removed through disassembly of
19 the firearm action. "Large capacity ammunition feeding device"
20 does not include a tubular magazine that is contained in a
21 lever-action firearm or any device that has been made
22 permanently inoperable.
23 (b) Except as provided in subsections (c) and (d), it is
24 unlawful for any person within this State, beginning 90 days
25 after January 1, 2014, to knowingly deliver, sell, purchase, or




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1 possess or cause to be delivered, sold, purchased, or
2 possessed, directly or indirectly, a large capacity ammunition
3 feeding device.
4 (c) This Section does not apply to a person who possessed a
5 device prohibited by subsection (b) before January 1, 2014,
6 provided that the person has provided proof of ownership, his
7 or her name, and other identifying information to the
8  Department of State Police, as required by the Department,
9 within 90 days after January 1, 2014. On or after January 1,
10 2014, the person may transfer the device only to an heir, an
11 individual residing in another state maintaining that device in
12 another state, or a dealer licensed as a federal firearms
13 dealer under Section 923 of the federal Gun Control Act of
14 1968. Within 10 days after transfer of the device, the person
15 shall notify the Department of State Police of the name and
16 address of the transferee and comply with the requirements of
17 subsection (b) of Section 3 of the Firearm Owners
18 Identification Card Act. The Department shall promulgate any
19 rules it may deem necessary to carry out the provisions of this
20 subsection, including the establishment of fees charged and
21 collected for collecting and maintaining the information
22 required to be provided under this subsection.
23 (d) This Section does not apply to or affect any of the
24 following:
25 (1) Peace officers as defined in Section 2-13 of this
26 Code.




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1 (2) Wardens, superintendents, and keepers of prisons,
2 penitentiaries, jails, and other institutions for the
3 detention of persons accused or convicted of an offense.
4 (3) Members of the Armed Services or Reserve Forces of
5 the United States or the Illinois National Guard, while in
6 the performance of their official duties or while traveling
7 to or from their place of duty.
8 (4) The manufacture, transportation, or distribution
9 of large capacity ammunition feeding devices.
10 (5) The sale of large capacity ammunition feeding
11 devices to persons authorized under subdivisions (1)
12 through (3) or subdivision (7) of this subsection to
13 possess those items.
14 (6) The manufacture, transportation, or sale of large
15 capacity ammunition feeding devices for sale or transfer in
16 another state.
17 (7) The possession of any large capacity ammunition
18 feeding device if that large capacity ammunition feeding
19 device is sanctioned by the International Olympic
20 Committee and by USA Shooting, the national governing body
21 for international shooting competition in the United
22 States, but only when the large capacity ammunition feeding
23 device is in the actual possession of an Olympic target
24 shooting competitor or target shooting coach for the
25 purpose of storage, transporting to and from Olympic target
26 shooting practice or events if the device is broken down in




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1 a non-functioning state, is not immediately accessible, or
2 is unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box,
3 shipping box, or other container, and when the Olympic
4 target shooting competitor or target shooting coach is
5 engaging in those practices or events.
6 (8) The possession of a large capacity ammunition
7 feeding device at events taking place at the World Shooting
8 and Recreational Complex at Sparta, only while engaged in
9 the legal use of the device, or while traveling to or from
10 this location if the items are broken down in a
11 non-functioning state, or are not immediately accessible,
12 or are unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying
13 box, shipping box, or other container.
14 (9) The possession of a large capacity ammunition
15 feeding device only for a hunting use expressly permitted
16 under the Wildlife Code, or while traveling to or from a
17 location authorized for such hunting use under the Wildlife
18 Code if the items are broken down in a non-functioning
19 state, or are not immediately accessible, or are unloaded
20 and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box,
21 or other container.
22 (10) The manufacture, transportation, possession,
23 sale, or rental of blank-firing large capacity ammunition
24 feeding device to persons authorized or permitted, or both
25 authorized and permitted to acquire and possess such
26 devices for the purposes of rental for use solely as props




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1 for a motion picture, television, or video production or
2 entertainment event.
3 (e) Shooting Ranges.
4 (1) A shooting range operator may deliver, sell,
5 purchase, or possess a large capacity ammunition feeding
6 device for the purpose of operating, using or storing the
7 same on the shooting range owned or operated by the
8 shooting range operator, including traveling to and from
9 the shooting range for purposes of purchase, sale, repair,
10 or valuation of the large capacity ammunition feeding
11 device. The delivery or sale of a large capacity ammunition
12 feeding device by a shooting range operator may only be to
13 a person who may otherwise lawfully possess the device.
14 (2) Notwithstanding any provision of this Section to
15 the contrary, a holder of a valid Firearm Owner's
16 Identification Card may possess, operate and use a large
17 capacity ammunition feeding device leased from a shooting
18 range operator, while on the shooting range owned or
19 operated by the shooting range operator. A shooting range
20 operator may lease the use of a large capacity ammunition
21 feeding device to a holder of a valid Firearm Owner's
22 Identification Card for the purpose of operating or using
23 the same on the shooting range owned or operated by the
24 shooting range operator. A large capacity ammunition
25 feeding device so leased may not be removed from the
26 shooting range by the individual leasing the large capacity




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1 ammunition feeding device.
2 (3) A shooting range operator must register any large
3 capacity ammunition feeding devices owned as provided for
4 under subsection (c). A shooting range operator may acquire
5 large capacity ammunition feeding devices after January 1,
6 2014, and any large capacity ammunition feeding devices so
7 acquired must also be registered as provided for under
8 subsection (c).
9 (4) For purposes of this subsection:
10 (i) "Shooting range operator" means a person who is
11 licensed as a federal firearms dealer under Section 923
12 of the federal Gun Control Act of 1968, and who owns or
13 operates a shooting range licensed under the Illinois
14 Shooting Range Licensing Act.
15 (ii) "Shooting range" means a shooting range
16 licensed under the Illinois Shooting Range Licensing
17 Act.
18 (f) Sentence. A person who knowingly delivers, sells,
19 purchases, or possesses or causes to be delivered, sold,
20 purchased, or possessed, directly or indirectly, in violation
21 of this Section a large capacity ammunition feeding device
22 capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition commits a
23 Class 3 felony for a first violation and a Class 2 felony for a
24 second or subsequent violation or for possession or delivery of
25 2 or more of these devices at the same time. Any other
26 violation of this Section is a Class A misdemeanor.





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1 (720 ILCS 5/24-4.1 new)
2 Sec. 24-4.1. Report of lost or stolen large capacity
3 ammunition feeding device.
4 (a) A person who possesses a valid Firearm Owner's
5 Identification Card and who possesses or acquires a large
6 capacity ammunition feeding device and thereafter loses or
7 misplaces the large capacity ammunition feeding device, or the
8 large capacity ammunition feeding device is stolen from the
9 person, the person must report the loss or theft to the local
10 law enforcement agency within 72 hours after obtaining
11 knowledge of the loss or theft.
12 (b) Sentence. A person who violates this Section is guilty
13 of a petty offense for a first violation. A second violation of
14 this Section is a Class A misdemeanor. A third or subsequent
15 violation of this Section is a Class 4 felony.

16
ARTICLE 9.


17 Section 9-97. Severability. The provisions of this Act are
18 severable under Section 1.31 of the Statute on Statutes.

19 Section 9-99. Effective date. This Act takes effect January
20 1, 2014.".


Senate Amendment 002 (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09700HB0815sam002&GA=97&SessionId=84&DocTypeId=HB&LegID=56601&DocNum=0815&GAID=11&Session=)




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1

AMENDMENT TO HOUSE BILL 815


2

AMENDMENT NO. ______. Amend House Bill 815, AS AMENDED,


3

with reference to page and line numbers of Senate Amendment No.


4

2, by replacing lines 23 through 25 of page 7 and lines 1


5

through 22 of page 8 with the following:


6

"permanently inoperable or is an unserviceable firearm, as


7

defined by 27 C.F.R. 478.11.


8

(b) Except as provided in subsections (c) and (d), 240 days


9

after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 97th


10

General Assembly, it is unlawful for any person within this


11

State to knowingly possess a large capacity ammunition feeding


12

device.


13

(c) This Section does not apply to a person who possessed a


14

device prohibited by subsection (b) before the effective date


15

of this amendatory Act of the 97th General Assembly provided


16

that the person has provided proof of ownership, his or her


17

name, and other identifying information, as the Department of


18

State Police may direct, including, but not limited to, the











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1

individual's Firearms Owner's Prohibition Card number and the


2

description and serial number (if any) of each device, to the


3

Department of State Police, as required by the Department, on


4

or after 150 days after the effective date of this amendatory


5

Act of the 97th General Assembly but within 240 days after the


6

effective date of this amendatory Act of the 97th General


7

Assembly. Beginning 240 days after the effective date of this


8

amendatory Act of the 97th General Assembly, the person may


9

transfer the device only to an heir, an individual residing in


10

another state maintaining that device in another state, or a


11

dealer licensed as a federal firearms dealer under Section 923


12

of the federal Gun Control Act of 1968. Within 10 days after


13

transfer of the device, the person shall notify the Department


14

of State Police of the name and address of the transferee and


15

comply with the requirements of subsection (b) of Section 3 of


16

the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act. The Department


17

shall promulgate any rules it may deem necessary to carry out


18

the provisions of this subsection, and may utilize emergency


19

rulemaking under Section 5-45 of the Illinois Administrative


20

Procedure Act in its initial implementation of the provisions


21

of this subsection only.


22

(c-5) For the purpose of receiving and processing the


23

information required to be submitted under subsection (c), the


24

Department of State Police shall charge a registration fee of


25

$5 per large capacity ammunition feeding device. The fees


26

collected under this subsection shall be deposited into the











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1

LEADS Maintenance Fund."; and


2

on page 10, by deleting lines 6 through 21; and


3

on page 10, line 22 by changing "(10)" to "(8)"; and



4

on page 13, by replacing lines 19 and 20 with the following:


5

"Section 99. Effective date. This Act takes effect July 1,


6

2013.".

[Hatha Sunahara]

“A free people … should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government. – George Washington”



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http://resistancetononsense.wordpress.com/2013/01/01/sandy-hook-gun-control-the-real-argument/


Hatha

[Twisted Titan]

If they close down ranges.....expect a run on snap caps and range supplies so people can stay in practice in their make shift areas

[osoab]

Ill. Senate drops controversial gun control measures (http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ill-senate-drops-controversial-gun-control-measures/article_f7d63ade-55de-11e2-b0f0-0019bb2963f4.html)
Probably too concerned if they can get gay marriage passed.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Yes, a probe to check for resistance. The people who propose banning firearm possession by the public are contemptuous of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. All of them who are employed by the government swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. The only way to get a law that bans guns would be to pass an amendment to the Constitution that repeals the Second Amendment. The second amendment limits the power of the government--it does not 'give' people the right to bear arms. That right was given to them by their creator--which was certainly not the government. The government cannot ignore that right, and cannot take it away unless the people themselves change the constitution to remove the limitation on the government's power. The Bill of Rights protects the people from the government. The last line of defense is being armed. When that is gone, the government can ignore the Constitution with impunity.


Hatha

[osoab]

Gun control bills fail in Senate, but House may make its own push
(http://capitolfax.com/2013/01/04/gun-control-bills-fail-in-senate-but-house-may-make-its-own-push/) Friday, Jan 4, 2013

* The Senate Democratic leadership did not have a good week (http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/17374249-418/senate-dems-wave-white-flag-on-gay-marriage-guns-as-legislative-session-winds-down.html)…

On guns, the Senate Wednesday advanced out of committee two bills that would ban an array of automatic and semi-automatic weapons plus the ammunition they need to operate.
But the measures withered under a furious pushback from the National Rifle Association and other gun-rights advocates, who told the Sun-Times Thursday that neither measure had more than 27 or 28 votes in the Senate, shy of the 30 needed for passage.
Cullerton acknowledged the votes weren’t there for either gun bill but said “we learned about potential ways to enhance those bills. Those bills, of course, will be taken up in the next General Assembly.”
* More (http://www.sj-r.com/top-stories/x65624037/Illinois-Senate-takes-no-action-on-top-issues)…

Sen. Dan Kotowski, D-Park Ridge, said the failure to call the gun bills also was because some supporters were absent.
“The reality is, in order to get it passed, we have to have people in their seats,” he said.
Gun rights supporters said the assault weapons ban, as written, would outlaw the sale of far more guns than military-style assault weapons. A second bill to ban the sale of large-capacity ammunition magazines would be unworkable, they said.
* But it’s not over. yet House staff has reportedly contacted the NRA to let them know that Gov. Pat Quinn and Mayor Emanuel will attempt to push a gun and magazine ban when the chamber reconvenes for the lame duck session this coming Sunday.
Senate President Cullerton has said he will call his chamber back on Tuesday if there’s anything to do. But attendance issues are going to be a problem then as well.
…Adding… IR has ISRA’s take on the Senate proposals (http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2013/01/the-unabased-arrogance-of-the-gun-control-movement.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2Fdlacomb%2Fillinoisr eview+%28illinoisreview%29)…

- The Illinois State Police would be given full control over the design and operation of commercial gun ranges in the state. That control would extend from the design of the bullet backstops to qualifications of range employees and even to the color of the paint on the walls of the men’s room. The State Police would determine the hours of operation, what types and calibers of firearms could be discharged at the range, and even a minimum number of square feet. Every range customer would have to undergo a background check and each customer’s visit would be logged by the range operator. Any Illinois law enforcement agency could conduct unannounced and warrantless inspections and searches of ranges at any time. Those searches and inspections would extend to range customers and their property. That means that the Chicago Police Department would have the authority to raid a range in Peoria and roust the customers of that range. The bottom line is, this range regulation proposal has the sole objective of running commercial shooting ranges out of business. We had never seen anything like this before, but the intent was clear.
- All semi-automatic firearms would be either banned outright, or be so severely taxed and restricted that ownership would be impractical. We expected to see attempts to ban or regulate AR and AK type firearms, but what we saw in Cullerton’s proposal carried that to an extreme. Cullerton’s gun ban would extend to all semiautomatic rifles, pistols and shotguns. Additionally, many pump action rifles and shotguns would be banned as well. This ban would include such classics as the 1911 and the M1 Garand. Of course, all Glocks, Sig-Sauers, and other popular pistols would be banned as well. Estimates are that about 50% of rifles and 80% of handguns lawfully-owned by Illinois citizens would be subject to ban and confiscation under the Cullerton gun ban.
- A bizarre and convoluted scheme to register all “ammunition feeding devices” capable of holding more than 10 rounds – including magazines, stripper clips, drums, etc. Since none of these devices possess serial numbers, owners of these devices would essentially register them under the “honor system.” Of course, we all know how well criminals stick to the honor system.

[vacuum]

[URL="http://capitolfax.com/2013/01/04/gun-control-bills-fail-in-senate-but-house-may-make-its-own-push/"]Gun control bills fail in Senate, but House may make its own push
I hope people are calling their representatives.

[chad]

as others have said, this is a test run in obama's backyard to see what they can get away with prior to a national attempt at something.

[osoab]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0bDJW97xBAE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0bDJW97xBAE

[collector]

They'll let Obama do the dirty work and claim to be pro-gun on the next election cycle.

[osoab]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0bDJW97xBAE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0bDJW97xBAE


Interview with the group that was clapping in the background of the above video.


From the news station.
http://www.wandtv.com/global/Category.asp?c=182814&clipId=8139310&topVideoCatNo=99891&autoStart=true


A short clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHP_FmruDWg&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHP_FmruDWg&feature=player_embedded

[osoab]

Pension Reform, Gay Marriage & Gun Control Rule Community Meeting With State Lawmakers (VIDEO) (http://www.progressillinois.com/quick-hits/content/2013/01/28/pension-reform-gay-marriage-gun-control-rule-community-meeting-state-l?utm_source=PI+Extra+1.28.13+&utm_campaign=PI+email+1.28.13&utm_medium=email)


Cullerton said there was a chance at some point of drafting a bill that includes concealed carry permits within assault weapons ban legislation, an idea 44th Ward Republican Committeeman Scott Davis, who was at the event, predicted would be closely watched by conservatives.