Anyone else finding themselves becoming semi-obsessed with the truth these days?

[General of Darkness]

I find that when I'm not working or training my dogs, working at my job or other things dealing with family that I've become obsessed with the truth. Everything over the past 150 years, from the Civil War to now.

I've always "questioned" things, but now it's like a mission. What is the truth? Do the victors write history? Simple shit just validating what we all know.

But now it's different and I can't put my finger on it, but I guess it comes from the lies that are being jammed down our throat. From the Civil War being fought about slavery, to Hitler enacted gun laws, to diversity is strength to these damn shootings. It's non-stop, lies after lies after lies.

The part that I have difficulty is that I'm a pretty decent "educator" on the lies but when you try and explain one thing, you have to take a step back to explain that other thing thing to help people understand where they are now. It seems impossible to start at a center point without starting from the beginning.

Just rambling.

[Ponce]

Thruth is what you believe to be the truth and not the real truth...... couter rambling, as usual :)

[Shami-Amourae]

What we may believe, or be looking for may not be the ultimate truth, but we are on the quest to find the truth. No one knows the truth (besides Ponce.) This sets us apart from the rest of society who accepts generally whatever they are told by the Establishment, Experts, and the Collective.

The people who end up being right about things are the ones who aren't heard from, the ones not given attention. They are ridiculed, demonized, or/and ignored. Many have come before us with the same ideas and they had miserable fates. So why the Hell do we go down this path?

I think the important thing to understand in this journey is to find ways to make it better your life, and those you care about around you. I focus a lot on naturopathy, that's significantly changed my life and people have seen it and come to me for advice/help all the time. In other words don't spend all day researching stuff that won't help you. Also don't research and share information with people who don't want to hear it. If they tell me I'm crazy, or "This Expert says this and this from this Establishment bla bla bla", I shut them out of my life, or no longer speak to them over these issues. You CANNOT "wake" people up: They already have to be on the quest for the truth themselves to be open to new ideas which challenge their paradigm.

This is why I like forums, since you join and find likeminded people like you, bouncing ideas and information off one another and build a greater consciousness and collection of knowledge. Why would I turn on the TV and watch the "news" when I can get more accurate information here, usually before it makes any headlines?

Most people don't want to know the truth. Most people realize/assume that they are happier if they don't go down that path, since they assume that going down that path will lead only to disappointment, ridicule, exclusion, and isolation. They'd rather live in a fantasy world, and just eat, shit, and die, not try to change or effect anything. The difference between us and those in control (besides being born into unlimited wealth or have unlimited wealth backing) is we don't want to use this knowledge to harm others, but liberate others. Those in power are inbred megalomaniacs, and use it to control and harm humanity. The true difference between us and the general public is we understand that there is a tiny few who use hidden knowledge and power to control/harm the masses. Most people can't fathom such Evil exists, but it does.

I think the real thing that sets people on the quest for truth is the understanding of the hidden powers of the world, and wanting to somehow defeat them, or at least throw some dirt in their eye before they slit your throat. Roll over and die, or fight back anyways regardless of the odds?

I don't know what the Hell I'm talking about, I'm just ranting.

[vacuum]

In in the same boat General. Frankly I have very little motivation to do much else.

However, I am not too concerned myself with specific conspiracy theories of the last hundred or so years. This is the 3D web of lies which is very complicated and goes out in all directions. I personally don't need to know all the details. I'm looking more into the 4D world, and searching for my truth there. Why are things the way they are? Where did we come from and where are we going?

Like Shami, I look for like-minded people for these topics. I might be like-minded with people on all the 3D stuff, but totally different for the 4D stuff. But it's just like normal truth-finding....you don't search because you know everything, but only when you realize you don't know anything.

[Hatha Sunahara]

I once had an obsession to know the truth. What I discovered is that 'truth' is a pretty individual thing, and not likely shared with too many other people. It's whatever you believe it to be. You construct it yourself from information available to you and your own intelligence. You cannot get it from anyone else. And you cannot give it to anyone else. What I discovered is that most people believe lies, and by believing those lies, the lies become truth. Everyone tells lies, some knowingly, and others believing they are telling the truth. All I can really say, GoD, is that I am semi obsessed now with identifying and debunking lies. That will get me closer to the truth, but not all the way there. I think in this forum, we have done an excellent job in deconstructing the Connecticut school shooting, but none of us can say what actually happened. We can only agree that the official story is a lie. What I find useful and practical is to have a good understanding of the world I live in, and of myself. The 'truth' or reality is contained withing that understanding. I am usually pretty quick to abandon belief in a lie, and not spread it when I discover what it is.

Hatha

[Agrippa]

... when you try and explain one thing, you have to take a step back to explain that other thing thing to help people understand where they are now. It seems impossible to start at a center point without starting from the beginning.

I think you have to start at the beginning. The edifice of knowledge that most people possess was built upon a foundation of lies, so that foundation has to be exposed before the damage can be repaired.


When I hear someone spouting official bullshit history, I give them a little lecture:


I start by pointing out that every regime has its “Court Historians”: people who discover they can advance themselves by saying flattering things about those in power. Because of their flattery they are the ones who get appointed to court, who receive the government grants, are hired by the government-funded schools. Their writings are what end up in the government-school textbooks. They write the happy horseshit version of history: where everything the regime does is spun to be brave and noble (or goes unmentioned if it is too hard to spin it that way), while everything that opponents of the regime do is base and cowardly (or goes unmentioned...).


Put this way, most people get the point: they realize that the stuff they were taught is likely to be crap. Sometimes this sets them on the path to the truth: they start asking questions. More commonly this peek into the abyss of their ignorance makes them turn away in horror: but it usually shuts them up, which also has value.

[Neuro]

There is actually only one truth, arguing there isn't, drives you to the relativistic BS the liars in charge wants people to believe in... A lie is unacceptable even if it comes from someone who has been deluded to believe it is truth. In many cases it would be impossible to ascertain the truth, but that doesn't mean one should accept the lies as a truth even from the person who believes it to be true...

there is no such thing as his truth or my truth. If you can't be totally certain that something is true, stop promoting it as truth. The world would be a far better place if people just had this minimal intellectual honesty with themselves and those around them...

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

Yes, ever since 9/11.

[sirgonzo420]

Man is put here to seek Truth.

[Son-of-Liberty]

This Sandy Hook thing has really got me back to researching like crazy. The whole story we are supposed to believe is so blatantly a lie.

I had sort of taken a break for awhile. As I type this I am making myself late for work. Luckily I work for myself.

[gunDriller]

I find that when I'm not working or training my dogs, working at my job or other things dealing with family that I've become obsessed with the truth. Everything over the past 150 years, from the Civil War to now.

I've always "questioned" things, but now it's like a mission. What is the truth? Do the victors write history? Simple shit just validating what we all know.

But now it's different and I can't put my finger on it, but I guess it comes from the lies that are being jammed down our throat. From the Civil War being fought about slavery, to Hitler enacted gun laws, to diversity is strength to these damn shootings. It's non-stop, lies after lies after lies.

The part that I have difficulty is that I'm a pretty decent "educator" on the lies but when you try and explain one thing, you have to take a step back to explain that other thing thing to help people understand where they are now. It seems impossible to start at a center point without starting from the beginning.

Just rambling.

so ... maybe write a book ? - maybe that's where it's leading. :)

[Blink]

Semi-obsessed? Is that like semi-erect? I've got a boner for the truth, no semi...........

[Twisted Titan]

I remember a quote but i cant recall where. ......thats kinda apt

THE TRUTH HURTS BUT FIRST ITS GOING TO PISS YOU OFF BADLY.

[General of Darkness]

so ... maybe write a book ? - maybe that's where it's leading. :)

GD, you've seen my writing skills, they're horrible. When it comes to math and problem solving I'm your man, but to put pen to paper, I'm a rambling incoherent idiot. However, if I forced myself and actually reversed engineered it starting with laying out chapters and then flow charting it could be brilliant.

But I have to assume that these books are out there already, or am I missing something.

[Libertytree]

Personally, I've seen enough truth/lies in this ol world and have researched most of them till my head hurt and I was sick to my stomach. These days I pretty much assume that ALL of it is BULLSHIT and rely on what's going on right before my very eyes...the kicker is, can we always believe that either?

I'm done hunting for "THE" truth, it found me in the long run and I'm not in the least pleased about it.There is a time for truth or soul searchin but now it seems more like a call to action. The esoteric and philosophical wants are antiquated.

[Twisted Titan]

Its hard to deal with the fact that EVERYTHING you have been told is a lie.

Going to college will land you a safe secure job
40hrs a week for 40 years will get you a nice safe retirement
Writing or calling your represenative can change things
Elections really do matter
Police are there to protect and serve you
Union protect the rank and file
Doctors promote Health and well being
Lawyers and courts uphold justice
Government is the servant of The People.
Jews are always persecuted
America is the leader of the free world and always does the right thing
If its on TV thats how it really happened

[Serpo]

The TRUTH is the TRUTH ,everything else is lies.

[vacuum]

There is actually only one truth, arguing there isn't, drives you to the relativistic BS the liars in charge wants people to believe in... A lie is unacceptable even if it comes from someone who has been deluded to believe it is truth. In many cases it would be impossible to ascertain the truth, but that doesn't mean one should accept the lies as a truth even from the person who believes it to be true...

there is no such thing as his truth or my truth.
There is only one truth, but we all look at it through our own lenses. That's how it can only be personally understood and impossible to transfer to someone else. Many times it also lies beneath the rational mind.


If you can't be totally certain that something is true, stop promoting it as truth. The world would be a far better place if people just had this minimal intellectual honesty with themselves and those around them...
This is a complicated proposal. Most people think they do absolutely know what they say is true. Then when they finally wake up and figure out it wasn't, at that point they start to really figure it all out. The problem is, they're still totally wrong.

I have a different solution to the problem. The issue isn't the transmitters (what people say), rather it is the receivers. Once each receiver knows that nothing anyone says is right, then an organic process occurs in society. Instead of broadcasters (media, church, and state) and relays/passive receivers (people), we have a dynamic information network where each person is both a broadcaster and receiver. Then there is massive noise everywhere, but the noise will actually cancel itself out. Only things proven to be true will begin to circulate throughout the network in a global manner. Noise will also be abundant, but it will only be short range.

Here's a good example of how it could work: everyone be like David Icke and say whatever the hell you want, with potentially tenuous info or in fact nothing to back it up. The key thing is that it's your best theory. It doesn't necessarily need any other justification. In that case nobody would blindly believe anyone else, obviously. It would be impossible because everyone would say something totally different.

The key thing is that one person's nonsense wouldn't be repeated to anyone other than by the original person. Except if somebody thought it was worth repeating. There's both a decision point there, and a modification of what is said. It's not just a conduit as people do today who repeat a msm story. As the original crackpot story is repeated from person to person, it will continually change and evolve, until the kernel of truth it contains is all that's left. Or, it could be totally false, but it fits a set of observations so well that it is spread virally. That's ok though - it fills a void by providing a plausible explanation to something otherwise unexplainable. The organically propagated "big mistake" will only last until some other "crackpot" comes up with the real explanation which virally should overtake the mistaken explanation.

Before objecting to this extreme proposal, realize that this is actually exactly how it works today. The problem is that nobody understands this is actually what happens, so the network is extremely passive, and ideas originate from a central source and easily flow through the system. It's currently a network of blue pill nodes. Once the network becomes aware of it's own existence, each person becomes a red pill node.

This forum is one such network of active red pill nodes. In a society of red pill nodes like this one, people say what their personal theories are, and people listen with the implied understanding that what is said is a personal theory. By doing so, we each have hold different views, but collectively it has converged so close to the truth that each member of the society is much closer to it than a blue pill network which holds almost equal but unquestioned views.

Our forum is a distributed computer, and each member is a node. We link into other forums (computers) and together we're forming a supercomputer - a big brain. The problem (for tptb) is that we aren't a passive network!


Its hard to deal with the fact that EVERYTHING you have been told is a lie.

Going to college will land you a safe secure job
40hrs a week for 40 years will get you a nice safe retirement
Writing or calling your represenative can change things
Elections really do matter
Police are there to protect and serve you
Union protect the rank and file
Doctors promote Health and well being
Lawyers and courts uphold justice
Government is the servant of The People.
Jews are always persecuted
America is the leader of the free world and always does the right thing
If its on TV thats how it really happened
Here's a good example of an activated node :)

And this long post of mine is a prime example of the communication method - just say whatever you've got, let people take it or leave it.





For what is a man, what has he got?
If not himself, then he has naught
To say the things he truly feels and not the words of one who kneels
The record shows I took the blows and did it my way!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egY8rUpxqcE

this one is for joboo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9kPfelTEds