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Ponce
3rd January 2013, 03:03 PM
If this was so IMPORTANT they would do it now and not in a couple of years......this is another way to brainwash you with the fact that more mony will be taken from you and you will not suffer of a "REVOLUTION SHOCK"

"REVOLUTION SHOCK"......... = when you are mad enough that you decide to declare war on our governmnet.
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Oregon state officials are proposing an alternative tax for drivers who have bought efficient or electric vehicles that seldom or never stop at the gasoline pump, where government has traditionally collected money to build and fix roads.

But the auto-making industry calls the idea of mileage taxes another roadblock for its efficient vehicles, the Salem Statesman Journal reports.

In its upcoming session, the Oregon Legislature is expected to consider a bill to require drivers with a vehicle getting at least 55 miles per gallon of gasoline or its equivalent to pay a per-mile tax after 2015.

Because it raises taxes, such legislation would need approval by three-fifths votes in both the House and Senate.

The tax would be based on mileage reports that could be made in a variety of ways, such as via smartphone app or global positioning system technology. Drivers could also just pay a flat annual fee.

Lawmakers would have to decide on the rates. The proposed bill leaves that part blank.

Oregon transportation officials have been working for more than a decade to figure out how to pay for roads as cars get extra efficient with gasoline, or use batteries. Those developments upset the usual taxation scheme of charging taxes by the gallon at the gasoline pump, an approximate way of charging more for greater use of the roads.

"Everybody uses the road, and if some pay and some don't, then that's an unfair situation that's got to be resolved," said Jim Whitty of the Department of Transportation.

Other states, including Washington, have looked at per-mile charges. A Washington law that would charge electric car owners an annual fee goes into effect in February.

Opponents of the Oregon proposal say it will hurt a new industry.

"It will be one more obstacle that the industry and auto dealers will face in convincing consumers to buy these new cars," said Paul Cosgrove, a lobbyist for the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers.

Oregon set up a task force in 2001 and did a pilot study in 2006, which raised privacy concerns — the government could track cars as they use private roads or leave the state. Whitty said the options drivers would have in the new proposal address those concerns.

A second pilot project has involved about 50 participants, mostly state transportation officials and lawmakers. They pay 1.56 cents per mile and get a credit for any gasoline tax they paid at the pump.

Oregon Transportation Commissioner Mary Olson tracked whether she would be charged for miles on private roads by comparing results from her odometer and the GPS-based mileage reporting device.

"It was scary accurate," she said. "I was very pleased."

The per-mile charge wouldn't apply to mileage on private or out-of-state roads.

A similar bill that applied to electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids didn't make it to the House floor in 2011.

The new bill resolves uncertainties about the per-mile charge, said Rep. Vicki Berger of Salem, top Republican on the House Revenue Committee and a member of the Road User Fee Task Force,

"There's a basic unfairness around that tax, and everyone is looking for the magic way to at least get the ball rolling on a different way of doing this, one that reconnects mileage with taxes paid," Berger said.

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vacuum
3rd January 2013, 03:16 PM
The tax would be based on mileage reports that could be made in a variety of ways, such as via smartphone app or global positioning system technology.

Who do these people think they are?

chad
3rd January 2013, 03:28 PM
all cars made after 2015 are mandated by federal law to have black boxes in them. i'll give you a couple of guesses what those are for.

give up?

1) these types of per mile gas fees
2) automatic speeding tickets issued by gps via the mail
3) automatic insurance jack up rates via gps monitoring where & how you drive

palani
3rd January 2013, 04:02 PM
European cars frequently get 60 mpg or above. US cars cannot seem to make it above 40 mpg. The difference? The European pollution standard is based upon emissions PER MILE. The US pollution standard is based upon emissions PER GALLON.

Just noting the similarity between a tax PER MILE and pollution PER MILE.

The US standard results in more usage of gas and therefore MORE TAX. Stick it to the politicians. Insist on the European pollution standard if they are going to charge by the mile.

chad
3rd January 2013, 04:05 PM
there's some model of vw diesel that gets 70+ or so REGULARLY. can't remember what it is. us blocks importation of it here.

palani
3rd January 2013, 04:26 PM
Subaru has a boxer diesel available in Europe for 5 years. Not available here. It is said to get above 60 mpg.

These are available on EBAY. If you check out the English models they would be perfect for US Mail as the steering wheel is already on the wrong side. If you check out French models they come with the proper side steering wheels.

http://cgi.ebay.fr/Subaru-Legacy-Break-SW-Diesel-2-0-D-4x4-AWD-/251206261128?pt=FR_JG_Auto_Pi%C3%A8ces_Automobiles _Test&hash=item3a7d0f5988

Consommation : Extra-Urbain : 5L/100 Consommation : Extra-Urbain : 5L/100

Extra-Urbain (rural) would give you 47 mpg if my math is right.

JohnQPublic
3rd January 2013, 04:48 PM
there's some model of vw diesel that gets 70+ or so REGULARLY. can't remember what it is. us blocks importation of it here.

The Pasaat VW driven on a flat track by an expert driver at around 55 mph can do this (there is a Youtube somewhere on the site). We have the Sportwagen (same engine, little less weight), and on the freeway we can get 40-45 mpg at 65-75 mph. Probably if I drove 55 mph, I would do substantially better (I Can't Drive... 55). Freeways are not flat, and I am not an expert driver, but I suspect I could do better than 50 mpg.

madfranks
3rd January 2013, 04:57 PM
So instead of paying $65 to fill up your car, you'll pay $20 and $45 in per-mile taxes. There goes the reason to buy these "efficient" cars, lol.

vacuum
3rd January 2013, 05:04 PM
The Pasaat VW driven on a flat track by an expert driver at around 55 mph can do this (there is a Youtube somewhere on the site). We have the Sportwagen (same engine, little less weight), and on the freeway we can get 40-45 mpg at 65-75 mph. Probably if I drove 55 mph, I would do substantially better (I Can't Drive... 55). Freeways are not flat, and I am not an expert driver, but I suspect I could do better than 50 mpg.

People do a lot of other crazy things as well and can get very high mpg...it's called hypermiling.

drafter
3rd January 2013, 06:38 PM
When you really look at the price of all these new "fuel efficient" cars, you'll see that you really aren't saving any money. I'll be driving my piece of crap, but paid off, 20 year old car for years before I even start to approach spending enough money on gas to have justified a new "fuel efficient" car.

If this was about "money", the State would be looking to tax these vehicles at time of purchase or registration, but it's not. It's about control and the ability to track your movements. Big brother already has an eye into your home thru all of our electronic gizmos and now they want to ride along with you. Keeping you on an electronic tether 24/7.

Ponce
3rd January 2013, 08:04 PM
Well, my little 91 Toy pick up gets 27-32 MPG.....and is good for another 20 years..... or more

"Toyota, buy it today and you will drive it tomorrow"... Ponce

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madfranks
4th January 2013, 07:26 AM
Well, my little 91 Toy pick up gets 27-32 MPG.....and is good for another 20 years..... or more

"Toyota, buy it today and you will drive it tomorrow"... Ponce

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I know Toyotas have good reputations, but the only Toyota I ever owned was a POS that kept giving me problems until it completely died on me less than one year after I bought it.

Ponce
4th January 2013, 08:25 AM
According to what I have read mine was the best one ever made and specially the engine....Toy dealers reading this must hate me hahahahaahh.

First post of the day............good morning to one and all.

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chad
4th January 2013, 08:32 AM
my 2000 ford ranger currently has 244,031 miles (just checked it). burns no oil and runs perfect.

gunDriller
4th January 2013, 09:38 AM
this sounds familiar, like other states might be doing it too.