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madfranks
9th January 2013, 11:29 AM
I'm trying to come up with some fresh ideas for hiding places for PMs. I know the basics: a safe, buried in the backyard, etc., but I'm trying to find some more creative ideas. And not just for coins, little coins are one thing, but 10, 20, 100 oz bars of silver are another. In a hypothetical scenario, if one owned PMs in coin and bar form, what are some good hiding places?

Part of me thinks maybe lifting up the carpet (or hardwood planks) in a corner of a second story room (like a closet or something), cutting out a 12"x12" area of the floor sheathing and hiding the metal in the interstitial space between the floor and the ceiling below, then putting back the floor panel and carpet.

Shami-Amourae
9th January 2013, 11:34 AM
I am a big believer in diversion safes. Look it up, and invent your own:

http://www.spycentre.com/image/cache/data/Scotch-Guard-Diversion-Safe-500x500.jpg
http://www.spyyard.com/catalog/images/image/cansafes.gif
http://www.internationalspyshop.com/productimages/SAFEDP.jpg
http://www.primarysafes.com/getDynamicImage.aspx?width=300&height=300&path=Ajax-Can-Diversion-Safe948.jpg
http://www.buyasafe.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/156x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/c/sc-surge-2.jpg

This could easily hide large bars:
http://www.spycentre.com/image/cache/data/Diversion%20Safes%20Images/Quart-Sized-Paint-Can-Diversion-Safe-500x500.jpg

chad
9th January 2013, 11:35 AM
i wrapped a whole shitload of them in plastic bags and put them in the bottom of bird houses i have tacked up all over my property. no ones is going to go looking in some nasty birdhouse.

Celtic Rogue
9th January 2013, 11:37 AM
baggies with a bar or some coins inside stapled to the back of dressers or other heavy furniture that is placed along a wall. candles with a core of coins or a bar. on top of rafters in an attic. Under insulation in same attic
.... lots of ways really

Dogman
9th January 2013, 11:37 AM
That would work as long as someone else you trust knows about it. Hate to see if something happens to you and in the future someone buys your house and then remodels and stumbles across your stash. I know someone that has a slab floor and tiles as the covering, He chipped a hole through the concrete and made a storage space. then covered the hole with the tile. (in corner) Then covered it with a shelf system.

gunDriller
9th January 2013, 11:41 AM
keep in mind that someone looking for it can be aided by a metal detector.

mamboni
9th January 2013, 11:41 AM
In Germany during the 1930s it was commonplace to plaster gold and silver coins right into the walls. How do you conceal a quarter ton of silver?

vacuum
9th January 2013, 11:49 AM
Ok, first of all if you post the exact details here it's pretty much useless, because some official searching your house might first read your profile here. So edit your ^post(s) above.

Second of all, the principles should be spelled out. What are the issues with hiding stuff?

(1) It might be found in a search

(2) It might be accidentally lost or destroyed

Therefore, it needs to be some place that is very disguised and uncommon, while also being somewhere that will never change. You should be able to leave it there for several years (ideally a decade imo) and be confident that when you come back it won't have been found or mistakenly lost or thrown away.

gunDriller
9th January 2013, 12:04 PM
Ok, first of all if you post the exact details here it's pretty much useless, because some official searching your house might first read your profile here. So edit your ^post(s) above.

Therefore, it needs to be some place that is very disguised and uncommon, while also being somewhere that will never change. You should be able to leave it there for several years (ideally a decade imo) and be confident that when you come back it won't have been found or mistakenly lost or thrown away.

we also need to be careful about who we disclose the info to personally.

e.g. if you put the info in your will, will an attorney see it ?

if you tell your brother, is he smart enough not to tell your nieces & nephews ? if they find out, are they smart enough not to tell their school chums about it ?

even if everyone in the chain "swears not to tell anyone else", it's an extremely compelling subject - especially if it's hidden somewhere interesting, and/or they think of you as their "crazy prepper relative". next time they get drunk with their friends and the subject of 'crazy preppers' comes up, will they be able to resist the temptation of spicing up the conversation by talking about you, their 'crazy prepper relative' ?

mamboni
9th January 2013, 12:08 PM
Ok, first of all if you post the exact details here it's pretty much useless, because some official searching your house might first read your profile here. So edit your ^post(s) above.

Second of all, the principles should be spelled out. What are the issues with hiding stuff?

(1) It might be found in a search

(2) It might be accidentally lost or destroyed

Therefore, it needs to be some place that is very disguised and uncommon, while also being somewhere that will never change. You should be able to leave it there for several years (ideally a decade imo) and be confident that when you come back it won't have been found or mistakenly lost or thrown away.

Sounds like the old Germans fold the solution (vide supra).

palani
9th January 2013, 12:11 PM
See if you can figure out how to hide stuff using this concept

FOUNDATION. This word, in the English law, is taken in two senses, fundatio incipiens, and fundatio perficiens. As to its political capacity, an act of incorporation is metaphorically called its foundation but as to its donation, the first gift of revenues is called the foundation.

milehi
9th January 2013, 12:12 PM
There was a similar thread on this subject on the old site. One of the ideas I liked was a galvanized 6" diameter fence post with a concrete footing. Drop in whatever you have and cap it off. This takes care of pesky metal detectors. When it's time to go, wrap a chain around it and pull it up.

Cebu_4_2
9th January 2013, 12:15 PM
Sealed PVC tubes buried below normal garden/flower bed depth. Basement ceiling / above other basement rooms. Basement better than another level due to fire issues. Garage floor, driveway, crosswalk on the property IE: looks like a simple repair was made.

vacuum
9th January 2013, 12:21 PM
Here's an interesting one:


When Germany invaded Denmark (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Weser%C3%BCbung) in World War II, Hungarian chemist George de Hevesy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_de_Hevesy) dissolved the gold Nobel Prizes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize) of German physicists Max von Laue (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_von_Laue) (1914) and James Franck (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Franck) (1925) in aqua regia to prevent the Nazis from confiscating them. The German government had prohibited Germans from accepting or keeping any Nobel Prize after jailed peace activist Carl von Ossietzky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Ossietzky) had received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1935. De Hevesy placed the resulting solution on a shelf in his laboratory at the Niels Bohr Institute (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niels_Bohr_Institute). It was subsequently ignored by the Nazis who thought the jar—one of perhaps hundreds on the shelving—contained common chemicals. After the war, de Hevesy returned to find the solution undisturbed and precipitated the gold out of the acid. The gold was returned to the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences and the Nobel Foundation. They re-cast the medals and again presented them to Laue and Franck.[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqua_regia#cite_note-13)[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqua_regia#cite_note-14)

undgrd
9th January 2013, 12:26 PM
http://www.spymuseumstore.org/rubik-s-cube-safe.html
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/spymuseumstore_2243_5334950
(http://www.spymuseumstore.org/rubik-s-cube-safe.html)

mamboni
9th January 2013, 12:30 PM
Here's an interesting one:

This method of concealment might present a challenge to graded numismatic coins, yes?;D

Sparky
9th January 2013, 12:59 PM
... due to fire issues.
...
Has there been a discussion of fire risk to bullion? Does the metal melt into some irrecoverable composition, or do you simply end up with a homogeneous PM blob rather than nicely shaped coins and slabs?

Horn
9th January 2013, 01:05 PM
Has there been a discussion of fire risk to bullion? Does the metal melt into some irrecoverable composition, or do you simply end up with a homogeneous PM blob rather than nicely shaped coins and slabs?

Depends on the level of thermite usage.

Cebu_4_2
9th January 2013, 01:08 PM
Has there been a discussion of fire risk to bullion? Does the metal melt into some irrecoverable composition, or do you simply end up with a homogeneous PM blob rather than nicely shaped coins and slabs?
PM blobs, but heed Horns advice :D

Ponce
9th January 2013, 01:46 PM
Franks? when I had my own company I hade around $150,000 at this place.......take a door out of its frame, turn it upside down, hollow out the bottom of the door, fix it so that nothing will come down and then put it back on once again.

For PM in my apartment.....(between the livig room and the bedroom) a hole in the wall at eye level, drop your coins into the hole and put a picture to cover the hole.......you can do the same thing with a pistol, placed it at an angle so that you can move the picture to one side and the gun will be in your hand.

A "friend" of mine has a Chinise paintin glue to the wall with a frame around it, all that he has to do is to punch the paper wih his fingers and grab his weapon.

V

Neuro
9th January 2013, 01:54 PM
Is there any way to protect PM's from being detected by a metal detector, apart from digging them down very deep?

vacuum
9th January 2013, 01:57 PM
Is there any way to protect PM's from being detected by a metal detector, apart from digging them down very deep?

I've got that question as well. Of course you could put other metal in the vicinity, however (and I'm not expert), I belive metal detectors nowadays can actually determine what metal is being hidden:


Discriminators The biggest technical change in detectors was the development of the induction-balance system. This system involved two coils that were electrically balanced. When metal was introduced to their vicinity, they would become unbalanced. What allowed detectors to discriminate between metals was the fact that every metal has a different phase response (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_response) when exposed to alternating current. Scientists had long known of this fact by the time detectors were developed that could selectively detect desirable metals, while ignoring undesirable ones.
Even with discriminators, it was still a challenge to avoid undesirable metals, because some of them have similar phase responses e.g. tinfoil and gold, particularly in alloy form. Thus, improperly tuning out certain metals increased the risk of passing over a valuable find. Another disadvantage of discriminators was that they reduced the sensitivity of the machines.

Horn
9th January 2013, 02:29 PM
For PM in my apartment.....(between the livig room and the bedroom) a hole in the wall at eye level,

Is there any particular reason for it being at eye level, as opposed to say, belt level?

Horn
9th January 2013, 02:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEHMHBRa94U&playnext=1&list=PL9A39EC3E9D2C 04BF&feature=results_video

JDRock
9th January 2013, 02:47 PM
either hide them in plain sight, or bury them outside and salt the ENTIRE area with iron filings( or something else) to confuse metal detection...

mick silver
9th January 2013, 03:46 PM
just mail them to me and i will do all the hard work of hiding them for you all . and my charge for all of this is free to all memebers here

Ponce
9th January 2013, 04:19 PM
Horn? you never hang a picture at belt level but at eye level........the picture or drawing is to cover the 2"X3" hole.

V

Blink
9th January 2013, 07:25 PM
Drop a real safe in the floor, bolt a bigger safe on top of it. Put the bait/teaser (pm's or a little cash or whatever) in the big safe or just leave it open like its already been emptied. They ignore it and if they happen to have a metal detector, well they're not gonna wave it over the metal safe thats bolted to the floor in front of them covering your real one.........

Ponce
9th January 2013, 08:10 PM
Burry the safe and then on top of it burn trash with a lot of cans........and then semi burry the trash.......let it be seen a little so that they wont go into it.

V

joboo
9th January 2013, 08:22 PM
Is there any way to protect PM's from being detected by a metal detector, apart from digging them down very deep?

Speaking form experience, ultimately no, if the person is intent on digging targets. You could go like a few feet deep, and hope technology doesn't improve.

Bury a long ass pipe over top, or a large sheet of chicken wire, then toss hundreds of screws, and tiny bits of aluminum foil all over the place.

That could peak interest in that location though.

BabushkaLady
9th January 2013, 08:24 PM
I am a big believer in diversion safes. Look it up, and invent your own:

The big problem with the little diversion safes is the "full" weight is a dead give-away if anyone actually picks them up.

I like hiding spots that you pass by everyday and would visually notice a disturbance. I also have been known to use really dirty messy spots that would leave dirt on the person doing the "digging".

Most important is to not tell but the one or two people that you really trust and need to know if something happens to you. Don't tell "how much or how many" is hidden; just let them know a few are there.

zap
9th January 2013, 08:32 PM
If you have a metal house built with metal studs, and metal roof, its a little easier.:)

and yes keep your mouth shut!

BabushkaLady
9th January 2013, 08:40 PM
Speaking of metal house . . . another good idea is using the really old metal trash cans and adding a fake bottom to the inside. Fill the compartment, put the new bottom in, then fill with something. . . . dog food, bird seed, cat food, kindling, anything normal at your house.

mamboni
9th January 2013, 08:44 PM
Well, if all else fails, there's always the bottom of the lake.;D

Neuro
9th January 2013, 09:44 PM
Well, if all else fails, there's always the bottom of the lake.;D
You make my underlip tremble, and my vision blurry, oh why did you have to bring that up?

Horn
10th January 2013, 05:57 AM
Horn? you never hang a picture at belt level but at eye level........the picture or drawing is to cover the 2"X3" hole.

V

How are you supposed to reach down in an eye level hole and fondle your PM though?

Its gotta be belt level with putting a couch in front of or something.

mamboni
10th January 2013, 06:42 AM
Is there any particular reason for it being at eye level, as opposed to say, belt level?

Yeah, the latter is a glory hole.;D

horseshoe3
10th January 2013, 08:33 AM
I recommend putting them in the attic beside all the coax cables. Nobody would ever find them there. ;-)

Ponce
10th January 2013, 08:34 AM
Horn? I am talking about a permanent one till you are ready to take it out to sell, that's what I did.....you then make a hole at the bottom to take out the coins.

Remember that I made almost 3/4 of a mill at that time (1980) fo and I could very well hire someone to fix the wall for $120.00

Jaboo? that's to obvious, better a burn hole.........the one for the door is the one that you want, I used to take the door up and down just about every week to add more.

V

chad
10th January 2013, 09:11 AM
I recommend putting them in the attic beside all the coax cables. Nobody would ever find them there. ;-)

remember that guy on gim who bought a new house and the cable installer was up in his attic? he stole the whole bag.

horseshoe3
10th January 2013, 09:18 AM
remember that guy on gim who bought a new house and the cable installer was up in his attic? he stole the whole bag.

Yep, I expect that guy to come and defend his honor any minute now.

chud
10th January 2013, 09:49 AM
remember that guy on gim who bought a new house and the cable installer was up in his attic? he stole the whole bag.

I remember that guy. Hopefully he moved right after that, otherwise his life was in danger.
People will kill over $5 or less even, much less a stash of gold and silver.

Horn
10th January 2013, 12:32 PM
Yeah, the latter is a glory hole.;D

I thought that's what we were discussing here?

mamboni
10th January 2013, 01:38 PM
I thought that's what we were discussing here?

Oh shit...I hadn't a clue. So you think Ponce had a glo... nevermind.

Horn
10th January 2013, 02:07 PM
http://www.whokilledbambi.co.uk/public/2012/01/holy-gun.gif

Libertytree
10th January 2013, 04:10 PM
First and foremost... KISS. Keep It Simple Stupid. I've most always found that in plain sight is the best for indoor as well as outdoors. It's really very simple after you think it through.

madfranks
10th January 2013, 07:47 PM
remember that guy on gim who bought a new house and the cable installer was up in his attic? he stole the whole bag.

Yes, that guy was me! Every time I think about that I'm amazed I managed to recover it all! And yes, we don't live there anymore, not even the same state.

edit: I made a PDF of that thread, because that's the only time I recorded the events in written form. I will try to find it, I believe it's worth revisiting.

Silver Rocket Bitches!
10th January 2013, 08:03 PM
Yes, that guy was me! Every time I think about that I'm amazed I managed to recover it all! And yes, we don't live there anymore, not even the same state.

edit: I made a PDF of that thread, because that's the only time I recorded the events in written form. I will try to find it, I believe it's worth revisiting.

That shit was legendary. I'm still curious what you ended up doing at the end.

mick silver
12th January 2013, 12:00 PM
i was getting ready to say mad was the guy . but you beat me to it

gunDriller
12th January 2013, 01:21 PM
First and foremost... KISS. Keep It Simple Stupid. I've most always found that in plain sight is the best for indoor as well as outdoors. It's really very simple after you think it through.

sometimes - but don't tell your coin dealer.

i know one coin dealer who likes to tell the story about one of their customers with a 1000 ounce bar who uses it as a door-stop - after painting it. literally, next to the front door.

i'd still like to have one of these on the dining room table, un-painted -

http://www.apmex.com/Resources/Catalog%20Images/Products/45229_Obv.jpg

1000 ounce bars from Mexico's Pen~oles plant.

Neuro
12th January 2013, 01:30 PM
sometimes - but don't tell your coin dealer.

i know one coin dealer who likes to tell the story about one of their customers with a 1000 ounce bar who uses it as a door-stop - after painting it. literally, next to the front door.

i'd still like to have one of these on the dining room table, un-painted -

http://www.apmex.com/Resources/Catalog%20Images/Products/45229_Obv.jpg

1000 ounce bars from Mexico's Pen~oles plant.
I guess one could 'weld' 4-5 of those babies together, and they would be impossible for most thieves to take out of your house, without any special equipment

gunDriller
12th January 2013, 01:53 PM
I guess one could 'weld' 4-5 of those babies together, and they would be impossible for most thieves to take out of your house, without any special equipment

yeah, but who wants to deal with a burglar with a hernia ? you might have to feed him or something.

or you could end up with some new compost materials ...

Horn
12th January 2013, 02:08 PM
Maybe you could make some silver car ramps and park your truck ontop of that much,

kinda separate car thieves from valuables thieves that way.

Rubberchicken
13th January 2013, 09:29 AM
Yes, that guy was me! Every time I think about that I'm amazed I managed to recover it all! And yes, we don't live there anymore, not even the same state.

edit: I made a PDF of that thread, because that's the only time I recorded the events in written form. I will try to find it, I believe it's worth revisiting.

Do tell, I looked into the parts of gim that I saved and could not find it and if I read it before I sure don't remember the details.

Neuro
13th January 2013, 12:57 PM
yeah, but who wants to deal with a burglar with a hernia ? you might have to feed him or something.

or you could end up with some new compost materials ...
Hahaha, I deal with people with hernias every day. I'm not sure how I would deal with this one though. Probably refer him for a surgery...;D