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Serpo
13th January 2013, 02:06 AM
Gun Advocates Celebrate 'Secret' Obamacare Provision Forbidding Exec Order To Regulate Guns And Ammo Comment Now (http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/01/10/gun-advocates-celebrate-secret-obamacare-provision-forbidding-exec-order-to-regulate-guns-and-ammo/#comment_reply) Follow Comments





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In a shot heard ’round the blogosphere, Vice President Joe Biden’s suggestion that the administration might bypass Congressional participation to regulate guns in favor of using the executive order produced the inevitable choirs of “I told ya so” as Biden’s sound bite appeared to provide the proof that Obama was, indeed, coming for your guns.
But this time, the gun advocates were ready with more than just angry recriminations.
Acting with an assist from CNN (http://http://www.therightscoop.com/weird-obamacare-prohibits-feds-from-collecting-any-info-on-lawful-gun-owners-thanks-to-harry-reid/), right-wing bloggers and gun advocates in the know, let loose with a tidbit of information they have, no doubt, been long chomping at the bit to unleash—the revelation that there is already a law on the books that would prevent the government from making good on Biden’s tantalizing suggestion, a law that would actually prevent the government from collecting data on firearm ownership and more.
And what might that law be?
Obamacare.
That’s right—it turns out that there is, indeed, a provision buried deep in the thousands of pages that is the Affordable Care Act entitled, “Protection of Second Amendment Rights”. You’ll find it in Section 2716 part c of the Affordable Care Act although, to save you the trouble, I have re-printed the provision below for your perusal.
Certainly, one strains to imagine how anything touching on gun ownership, the Second Amendment, etc. could find its way into a health care reform bill just as it confounds the imagination to contemplate who might have been responsible for adding such a clause in the first place. Obamacare is, after all, primarily the creation of a President who gun advocates have long believed is out to strip them of their firearms—not to mention a law written, supported and passed by those in Congress identified as coming from the “far left” of the political spectrum under the leadership of Nancy Pelosi (http://www.forbes.com/profile/nancy-pelosi/).
So, how did such a strange provision find its way into health care reform?
You might be surprised to learn that the language was offered in a Senate amendment proposed by none other than Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid. While this news may come as a shock to those who view Reid as a leader of the left, politics will always trump ideology and—in the State of Nevada (http://www.forbes.com/places/nv/)—politics dictates that running for office as a gun supporter is a way better idea than seeking office as a gun regulator. So, it should shock nobody that Senator Reid is a long-time gun rights advocate who has consistently counted upon the support of the NRA when running for election in his home state.
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Twisted Titan
13th January 2013, 02:26 AM
Just as easily it was put in there..... it can easily be repealed


Like that 600 $ reporting requirement on Gold and Silver got chucked when folks got wind of it.


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palani
13th January 2013, 05:35 AM
Here is the provision being discussed


(c) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.—

‘‘(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.— A wellness and health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to—

‘‘(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully- possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or

‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual.
‘‘

(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.—None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection of any in- formation relating to—

‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition;

‘‘(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or

‘‘(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.

‘‘(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS.—None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.

All it says is OBAMACARE will not collect gun data or interfere with 2nd amendment rights. They have a hundred other ways to do so.

I hope this outfit makes its money from other methods because they really suck at reading comprehension.

osoab
13th January 2013, 05:41 AM
Here is the provision being discussed



All it says is OBAMACARE will not collect gun data or interfere with 2nd amendment rights. They have a hundred other ways to do so.

I hope this outfit makes its money from other methods because they really suck at reading comprehension.


Probably Harry Reid supporters.

midnight rambler
13th January 2013, 09:59 AM
I hope this outfit makes its money from other methods because they really suck at reading comprehension.

Actually if you read the entire article to the end they come out and say that gun owners are deluding themselves if they think this provision does them any good.

BrewTech
13th January 2013, 11:26 AM
Actually if you read the entire article to the end they come out and say that gun owners are deluding themselves if they think this provision does them any good.

Point taken...




So, the good news for the gun folks is that the ACA is, indeed, prevented from being used as a weapon in the ‘War on Guns’ under the guise that guns are bad for people’s health. They can also take solace in the fact that the law prevents government from collecting any gun data resulting from information obtained in the course of medical providers doing their thing—much as HIPAA prevents such information from being used for a variety of purposes.
Beyond that, if you imagine that this obscure section of the Affordable Care Act is going to block the Administration from exercising whatever legal authority it may have to regulate guns in America, I’m afraid you will be quite disappointed.

palani
13th January 2013, 04:35 PM
Actually if you read the entire article to the end they come out and say that gun owners are deluding themselves if they think this provision does them any good.

I agree. So the gist of the article is "see how dumb these gun owners are to believe this headline?"

midnight rambler
13th January 2013, 04:45 PM
I agree. So the gist of the article is "see how dumb these gun owners are to believe this headline?"

Pretty much. Written to attract the attention of the knuckleheads at arf.com.