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Serpo
15th January 2013, 06:09 PM
Breaking: New York creates a psychiatric police state

by Jon Rappoport

January 16, 2013

www.nomorefakenews.com (http://www.nomorefakenews.com)

It’s a done deal.

Governor Cuomo, along with Democrat and Republican legislators, is ramming through a bill to restrict gun ownership, re-classify weapons in order to ban them—and, in a far-reaching move, create psychiatrists as cops who must report patients to law-enforcement, in order to keep the patients from owning a weapon.

Psychiatrists must report patients “who could potentially harm themselves or others.” If such a patient owns a gun, it will be confiscated.

This means a comprehensive data base, accessible by law-enforcement personnel and anyone else involved in doing background checks These “problematic” patients will be kept from buying a new weapon, too. Otherwise, the law would have no teeth.

As usual, the devil is in the details. Psychiatrists will err on the side of caution and report many patients. No shrink wants to blink into television cameras after one of his patients has just shot his father.

Patients who want to own weapons will lie to psychiatrists about their thoughts and feelings, never admitting they’re considering suicide or murder.

After such a murder, a psychiatrist will say: “He never said anything about killing anybody. Here, look at my notes. There’s nothing there.”

For this and other reasons, such as the existence of the data base, doctor-patient confidentiality will go out the window.

Therefore, the practice of psychiatry, which already minimizes talk therapy and merely dispenses drugs, will move even further in that direction. Tight-lipped patients, who don’t want to go on a police list, will seek an office visit with the sole motive of obtaining a drug.

Since all the emphasis is now on “mentally ill patients who are prone to violence,” the possibility of indicting the drugs in violence will recede over the horizon.

SSRI antidepressants (Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, etc.) and other brain drugs do, in fact, cause people to go crazy and commit violent crimes, including murder. This is an open secret in the psychiatric profession, and the public is becoming more aware of it every day.

But it will be swept under the carpet.

Under the new law, a psychiatrist can’t be prosecuted for failing to report a patient who later commits murder, as long as the psychiatrist “acted in good faith.” The meaning of that phrase is broad enough to automatically cast blanket exoneration on most shrinks, which closes off the chance a psychiatrist will be pilloried for prescribing a drug he knows can induce violence in the patient.

This New York law will be copied and passed by other states, and in the end, we will see a national data base of psychiatric patients.

The official attitude will be: anyone who sees a psychiatrist is a potential killer.

This will give rise to protests on behalf of “a new underclass”: psychiatric patients. Advocates will arise to take up their cause. Court cases will abound. The whole business will devolve into a complete mess.

But out of it will come a hands-on partnership between cops and shrinks, who’ll march should to shoulder into their version of a psychiatric police state.

Seventy-two hour mandatory holds in psych wards for “observation” will expand. During this period of incarceration, shrinks will dose inmates hard with drugs, in order to make them more docile, because no psych ward wants to be accused of releasing a patient who then goes on to kill people.

Drugs to subdue the mind in that way are very powerful. They are called anti-psychotics, or major tranquilizers. As has been shown, they induce tremors, which are signals of motor brain damage.

We can expect to see hundreds of thousands more people, perhaps millions, who are damaged, permanently, by these drugs.

The motto will become: destroy the patient, before he can destroy others.

As the crown on all this, people who have ever professed political ideas outside the mainstream, and so end up in a database of “potential threats to the State,” can be kept from owning a weapon, merely by finding a way to get them into a psychiatrist’s office, on any pretext. Once there, the psychiatrist can report them as prone to harming themselves or others, and that will function as a bar to possessing a gun.

New York has just created a door that swings in both directions. A huge number of people who are seeing psychiatrists can be kept from gun ownership. And people who can see with their eyes what this country has turned into can be turned, on cooked-up technicalities, into psychiatric patients. Once in the system, they, too, can be denied all 2nd Amendment rights.

It will undoubtedly be called “The 2nd Amendment Exclusion.”

Coming to your neighborhood.

Jon Rappoport

The author of an explosive collection, THE MATRIX REVEALED, Jon was a candidate for a US Congressional seat in the 29th District of California. Nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, he has worked as an investigative reporter for 30 years, writing articles on politics, medicine, and health for CBS Healthwatch, LA Weekly, Spin Magazine, Stern, and other newspapers and magazines in the US and Europe. Jon has delivered lectures and seminars on global politics, health, logic, and creative power to audiences around the world. You can sign up for his free emails at www.nomorefakenews.com (http://www.nomorefakenews.com)

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Shami-Amourae
15th January 2013, 06:23 PM
It's looking like the world portrayed in book Brave New World more every day.

gunDriller
15th January 2013, 07:07 PM
'doctors' will play a prominent role in the cancerously growing American police state.

Hatha Sunahara
15th January 2013, 07:08 PM
Perhaps people will wake up to the corruption of the psychiatric profession now. One reason we have these mass shootings is because psychiatrists, in collusion with the big pharma companies, prescribe SSRI psychotropic drugs to these patients.

Perhaps the entire world would be a safer place if they put the doctor who prescribed SSRI drugs to a patient involved in a shooting, in jail. It amazes me how the politicians have gotten this completely ass backwards, and give those quacks more power instead of solving the problem by making them more accountable. The other constructive move they could do, but won't, would be to hold big Pharma accountable for the effects of the drugs they produce. Smart people need to avoid both psychiatrists and the drugs they prescribe.


Hatha

Glass
15th January 2013, 07:44 PM
psychiatry is not a "corrupted" profession. It always was a corruptor. psychiatrists are extremely dangerous people and should be steered clear of. 1st hand experience. Stay the fuck away from them.

unhappiness is not an illness. unhappiness happens to everyone. It's transigent if you let it be. Never admit to feeling depressed. Never allow anyone to insist your unhappiness is actually depression.

Hatha Sunahara
16th January 2013, 01:18 AM
I heard a story once about how a deal was made between the Catholic Church and the Scientific community after Galileo's trial. The deal was that science would not enter into the realm of the soul, and that the Church would not enter into the realm of science. Psychiatry claims to honor that deal by excluding the word 'soul' from their jargon. In all other respects, they perform the same function as do the priests minus references to faith or God, but with much more clout as they are licensed to prescribe drugs that affect the soul. Since they have no religious affiliation, the state, through the 'justice' system uses them to make pronouncements on the 'sanity' (a legal term) of various individuals, but generally presumes anyone who has ever visited a psychiatrist as a patient to be mentally unbalanced and legally incompetent. There is no doctor-patient confidentiality. I once had a friend who was a psychiatrist who told me 'There is no cure for stupidity.' His theory was that if you are unhappy, it's because you did something stupid, and you don't like the consequences. That is all I needed to know to be motivated to avoid seeing shrinks for my entire life.

The bottom line is that we all have to live with ourselves. A shrink will not make that any easier, but often will make it more difficult. Having good friends that you can trust is a lot more effective, safer, and much less expensive than seeing a shrink.


Hatha

joboo
16th January 2013, 04:29 AM
The other side of this equation is do you want people who can't fully cope with being conscious, and most likely on some kind of pshycotic medication having access to a weapon as dangerous as a gun?

These people can't make decisions on how to effectively deal with their emotions, toss in some drugs, and it gets a lot worse.

Would you give a suicidal family member a pack of razor blades because it's their right to have access to them, or perhaps hide them if you found them in the medicine cabinet?

Be honest.

Horn
16th January 2013, 06:56 AM
Would you give a suicidal family member a pack of razor blades because it's their right to have access to them, or perhaps hide them if you found them in the medicine cabinet?

Be honest.

What does this have to do with anything?

Are you mental, joboo?

mamboni
16th January 2013, 08:11 AM
Given this new law, you'd have to be crazy, as in severely lacking in good judgement, to see a psychiatrist in New York. I expect that this will significanty reduce demand for psychiatric services and increase the demand for black market psychotropic drugs.

sirgonzo420
16th January 2013, 08:12 AM
Given this new law, you'd have to be crazy, as in severely lacking in good judgement, to see a psychiatrist in New York. I expect that this will significanty reduce demand for psychiatric services and increase the demand for black market psychotropic drugs.

I agree doc; only a crazy person would go to a shrink!

;D

Anybody who would go see a psychiatrist ought to have his head examined.

Son-of-Liberty
16th January 2013, 09:07 AM
Given this new law, you'd have to be crazy, as in severely lacking in good judgement, to see a psychiatrist. I expect that this will significanty reduce demand for psychiatric services and increase the demand for black market psychotropic drugs.

I fixed it for ya. Had a few too many words in there.

Horn
16th January 2013, 09:19 AM
I agree doc; only a crazy person would go to a shrink!

;D

Anybody who would go see a psychiatrist ought to have his head examined.


You're all crazy, what are those people in Pennsylvania gonna do when they can't get alcohol on Sundays.

mamboni
16th January 2013, 09:28 AM
I fixed it for ya. Had a few too many words in there.

LOL - so true!

mamboni
16th January 2013, 09:30 AM
Would you give a suicidal family member a pack of razor blades because it's their right to have access to them, or perhaps hide them if you found them in the medicine cabinet?

Be honest.

No. But come to think of it, I wouldn't let a mendacious BS artist ADL/SPLC provocateur join GSUS as a full member. Of course, I'm a wee bit picky.

Neuro
16th January 2013, 09:47 AM
I guess this could mean fewer people would go and see psychiatrists, which would be a good thing, but more of them would be hired to oversee the psychiatry in the FEMA re-edumbification camps... (I am so impressed my iPod had "edumbification" in its spellchecker!)

Hatha Sunahara
16th January 2013, 10:05 AM
The other side of this equation is do you want people who can't fully cope with being conscious, and most likely on some kind of pshycotic medication having access to a weapon as dangerous as a gun?

These people can't make decisions on how to effectively deal with their emotions, toss in some drugs, and it gets a lot worse.

Would you give a suicidal family member a pack of razor blades because it's their right to have access to them, or perhaps hide them if you found them in the medicine cabinet?

Be honest.

What do you have against freedom, Joboo? You seem to think that a place where people are free is a dangerous place because people are incapable of self control. And therefore society needs an agent like the government to control everybody, just to insure everyone's safety. You're willing to trade everyone's freedom for your imagined safety. This kind of thinking is what enables totalitarian government. It's what extinguishes the human spirit.

Who's going to protect you from the government? It's a bigger monster than the craziest individual lunatic that you can imagine.

Hatha

mick silver
16th January 2013, 10:43 AM
full control is not to far off , i laugh the first time i heard that now i am not laughing

Twisted Titan
16th January 2013, 11:23 AM
What do you have against freedom, Joboo? You seem to think that a place where people are free is a dangerous place because people are incapable of self control. And therefore society needs an agent like the government to control everybody, just to insure everyone's safety. You're willing to trade everyone's freedom for your imagined safety. This kind of thinking is what enables totalitarian government. It's what extinguishes the human spirit.

Who's going to protect you from the government? It's a bigger monster than the craziest individual lunatic that you can imagine.

Hatha


He actually thinks ( or is lead to believe) that when the Hammer falls he will be high enough up the Food chain that HIS liberties, Privacy and Freedoms wont be infringed on just Everybody else is going to be paying the price and he will be waxing fat.

I wish I could see the Slack Jaw expression on His face when the jackboots round him up just same as the other sheep and ship him off to the nearest FEMA camp for processing and Liquidation.

I wish I could be a fly on the wall as I hear him scream over and over to the jackboot drones: THIS IS A MISTAKE , THIS IS A MISTAKE . I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH YOU GUYS THE WHOLE TIME. I NEED TO TALK TO SOMEBODY SO THEY CAN CLEAR THIS UP. YOU GUYS ARE MAKING A MISTAKE.

Its just a wild wish cause I have plans to be far away from those "Gun Free Zones"

When I was younger I couldn't for The life of me Understand why the Most Heinous offense in Dante's Inferno was not Theft , Murder or Rape but Being a Traitor.

It is only through the wisdom gleamed years you being to see why the 9th was reserved for them.

Horn
16th January 2013, 11:40 AM
No. But come to think of it, I wouldn't let a mendacious BS artist ADL/SPLC provocateur join GSUS as a full member. Of course, I'm a wee bit picky.

You're saying if posts were bullets you wouldn't let him have any?

Some consider mine WMD.

Serpo
16th January 2013, 02:44 PM
The other side of this equation is do you want people who can't fully cope with being conscious, and most likely on some kind of pshycotic medication having access to a weapon as dangerous as a gun?

These people can't make decisions on how to effectively deal with their emotions, toss in some drugs, and it gets a lot worse.

Would you give a suicidal family member a pack of razor blades because it's their right to have access to them, or perhaps hide them if you found them in the medicine cabinet?

Be honest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_psychiatric_medications

here is a list of psychiatric medications.....notice they all seem to be made by drug companies

if this is the only medication available then I think psychiatrists are not very smart in the first place,or they are only in it for the money.

why would anyone trust their advice if all they do is suck up to drug companies and ignore anything else.......this profession is corrupted .....anti depressants......dont work


Here's some depressing recent medical news: Antidepressants (http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/antidepressants-studies) don't work. What's even more depressing is that the pharmaceutical industry and Food and Drug Administration (FDA) have deliberately deceived us into believing that they DO work. As a physician, this is frightening to me. Depression (http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/the-ultramind-solution-broken-brain) is among the most common problems seen in primary-care medicine and soon will be the second leading cause of disability in this country.

.....http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/depression-medication-why_b_550098.html

gunDriller
16th January 2013, 03:03 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_psychiatric_medications

here is a list of psychiatric medications.....notice they all seem to be made by drug companies

i'm surprised they still prescribe Prozac - i'm pretty sure the patent has expired, making it far less profitable.

Serpo
16th January 2013, 04:45 PM
We still don't know much about the shooter who lived in this home. But there is something else to consider: What medications if any he was on? I'm specifically talking about antidepressants. If you look at the studies of other shootings like this that have happened, medications like this were a common factor. Now I want to be clear I'm not saying that antidepressants can't be effective. But people seem to agree that there is a vulnerable time. When someone starts these medications and when someone stops could lead to increased impulsivity and decreased judgment, and making someone out of touch. None of this is an excuse and it's never just one thing. None of these behaviors will fully predict or explain why. But soon again there will be hindsight that might just help prevent another tragedy. It's worth pointing out over a seven-year period there were 11,000 episodes of violence related to drug side effects. If there was a death involved, often it was the individual of himself or herself, a suicide.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/038674_psychiatric_drugs_mass_murders_Sanjay_Gupta .html#ixzz2IBXzEr12

Twisted Titan
18th January 2013, 04:07 AM
Not confirmed yet But I was yapping with a Co worker.

Not to be outdone by NY . NJ Legislature is looking to pass a 5 round magazine capacity.

Thats right Boys and Girls somebody from the Civil War will have a significant killing advantage over you in 2013.

osoab
18th January 2013, 04:49 AM
i'm surprised they still prescribe Prozac - i'm pretty sure the patent has expired, making it far less profitable.

There is a large portion of the population that wants nothing to do with generic drugs. They have to have all the bells and whistles (advertisements) to go with the inflated price.

mick silver
18th January 2013, 05:07 AM
i am so glad when i look at my door all i see are trees .

Cebu_4_2
18th January 2013, 10:24 AM
i am so glad when i look at my door all i see are trees .

Your on the wrong side, what do you see from inside?

gunDriller
18th January 2013, 11:38 AM
Not confirmed yet But I was yapping with a Co worker.

Not to be outdone by NY . NJ Legislature is looking to pass a 5 round magazine capacity.

Thats right Boys and Girls somebody from the Civil War will have a significant killing advantage over you in 2013.



i'm sure the criminals will abide by this limit.


Over-whelming Force WORKS - that's why people use it.

So, if we want to use magazines with 20 or more bullets, we may have to acquire them outside US-gov-approved channels.


But there is no doubt - Americans have the Right to use Overwhelming Force to protect their Home.

A 12 Gauge shotgun is a decent start, but it's only a start.

Twisted Titan
18th January 2013, 02:54 PM
Cheat to win.........Everytime.

The only fair fight is The Fight you lose.

osoab
18th January 2013, 06:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2rRSUEaLKvA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2rRSUEaLKvA