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Ponce
17th January 2013, 09:44 AM
They made it very hard to copy this article, I had to break it into little pieces and then put it back together once again.
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Jews of European origin are a mix of ancestries, with many hailing from tribes in the Caucasus who converted to Judaism and created an empire that lasted half a millennium, according to a gene study published on Thursday.

The investigation, its author says, should settle a debate that has been roiling for more than two centuries.

Jews of European descent, often called Ashkenazis, account for some 90 percent of the more than 13 million Jews in the world today.

According to the so-called Rhineland Hypothesis, Ashkenazis descended from Jews who progressively fled Palestine after the Moslem conquest of 638 AD.

They settled in southern Europe and then, in the late Middle Ages, about 50,000 of them moved from the Rhineland in Germany into eastern Europe, according
to the hypothesis.

But detractors say this idea is implausible.

Barring a miracle --which some supporters of the Rhineland Hypothesis have in fact suggested -- the scenario would have been demographically impossible.

It would mean that the population of Eastern European Jews leapt from 50,000 in the 15th century to around eight million at the start of the 20th century.

That birth rate would have been 10 times greater than that of the local non-Jewish population. And it would have occurred despite economic hardship, disease, wars and pogroms that ravaged Jewish communities.

Seeking new light in the argument, a study published in the British journal Genome Biology and Evolution, compares the genomes of 1,287 unrelated individuals who hail from eight Jewish and 74 non-Jewish populations.

Geneticist Eran Elhaik of the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland, trawled through this small mountain of data in search of single changes in the DNA code that are linked to a group's
geographical origins.

Such telltales have been used in past research to delve into the origins of the Basque people and the pygmy people of central Africa.

Among European Jews, Elhaik found ancestral signatures that pointed clearly to the Caucasus and also, but to a smaller degree, the Middle East.

The results, said Elhaik, give sound backing for the rival theory -- the "Khazarian Hypothesis."

Under this concept, eastern European Jews descended from the Khazars, a hotchpotch of Turkic clans that settled the Caucasus in the early centuries AD and, influenced by Jews from Palestine, converted to Judaism in the 8th century.

The Judeo-Khazars built a flourishing empire, drawing in Jews from Mesopotamia and imperial Byzantium.

They became so successful that they sent offshoots into Hungary and Romania, planting the seeds of a great diaspora.

But Khazaria collapsed in the 13th century when it was attacked by the Mongols and became weakened by outbreaks of the Black Death.

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/world/Gene-study-settles-debate-over-origin-of-European-Jews/-/1068/1667646/-/o2i3ge/-/index.html

palani
17th January 2013, 10:16 AM
Another theory as to the rapid population growth ... the thirty year war. Peasants who didn't choose sides could always claim to be Jewish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War

hoarder
17th January 2013, 12:32 PM
Another theory as to the rapid population growth ... the thirty year war. Peasants who didn't choose sides could always claim to be Jewish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_WarTry "claiming to be Jewish" LOL. It's easy for Jews to change their names, get nose jobs and move to a new town and join the Baptist Church and claim to be Irish or Italian and no one suspects them. Try pretending to be Jewish and join a Synagogue and see how long it takes to be found out!

zap
17th January 2013, 08:48 PM
My mom and I had a discussion about this today , mind you she is PRO -ISRAEL, her only fight was that the Palestinian nation were people of Jordanian descent and had no right to the promised land, and really didn't have a State. I am not schooled enough to make a intelligent argument to her other then the existing Jews are not the chosen people because they are not the true children of Israel they are pretenders, they are actually Khazar's (Turks ) .

Help me explain this to my mom?

hoarder
17th January 2013, 09:28 PM
My mom and I had a discussion about this today , mind you she is PRO -ISRAEL, her only fight was that the Palestinian nation were people of Jordanian descent and had no right to the promised land, and really didn't have a State. I am not schooled enough to make a intelligent argument to her other then the existing Jews are not the chosen people because they are not the true children of Israel they are pretenders, they are actually Khazar's (Turks ) .

Help me explain this to my mom?http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm

http://www.amazon.com/Invention-Jewish-People-Shlomo-Sand/dp/1844676234

http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/50reasons.html

That should be a good start if she's really interested.

Spectrism
18th January 2013, 10:17 AM
Forget about "Jews" for a moment.

There were 12 tribes of Israel. 10 of those were absorbed by the people groups north of the kingdom of Judah (which included the tribes of Judah & Benjamin). All of those other tribes interbred and mixed with many nations.

So when people talk about Khazars.... is it not likely these included people from the other 10 tribes of Israel? It is likely that most people reading this are blood-linked into these lines.

And then, it is not the genetic link that makes one a son of Abraham, but the grafting into the family by faith in Messiah.

Ponce
18th January 2013, 02:11 PM
Zionists claim that they do have real Jews DNA........well, what they have is the residual DNA of the teachers that went up north from Palestine (or Semite area) to teach them how to be a jew.

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