My boss argued against me on Sandy Hook

[JohnQPublic]

My boss and I had it out on Sabdy Hook. I was very explicit several times that I do not know , and that a range of possibilities exist. He could not accept that and became aggressive. It wad pretty low key, but a little intense. I explained over and over again, that based on what I have been presented, I just do not know. Based on what I have seen, the possibiities range from

1. Things arec exactly the MSM proposes,
2. to something in-between (i.e,, some or all kids died) to
3. The MSM was duped and reported only what they were told
Regardless of whether this went down as reported or not, this is a horrific event. And I did not bring it up.

[Serpo]

People get very touche when it has been presented on TV as facts and the story may be bogus.

Instead of a shared approach to truth it becomes a ego battle and the winner takes all.

[StreetsOfGold]

Hand him a bottle of valarian root and tell him to go back to sleep

[Horn]

Maybe he's a gun owner

& doesn't want to be forced into taking a 3 hour psychiatric exam with associated fees now to conceal & carry.

So the entire thing has him on edge.

[Uncle Salty]

Arguing with boss about Sandy Hook?

I think it best to play nice with boss.

[vacuum]

What happened? How did the conversation go? It sounds like he was trying to pick a fight...

[osoab]

Had you previously brought up angles to other major msm show-a-thons? You have to prime over several years to get into these discussions. Otherwise use the tried and true response of " I don't know what to think, but it is pretty fucked up".

I would have went with the angle that the guy's kill to wounded ratio is way out of whack. Those numbers don't occur normally.

[VX1]

I would have went with the angle that the guy's kill to wounded ratio is way out of whack. Those numbers don't occur normally.

In this story, that's the equivalent to three buildings falling in their own footprint in one day. Not going to happen without major engineering and execution.

[PatColo]

Had you previously brought up angles to other major msm show-a-thons?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpxKyyh8SME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpxKyyh8SME

[JohnQPublic]

Thanks all. I was pretty shook up on this. I did not bring it up, so I am not sure where he is coming from. I tend to avoid discussing this in general. I have known my boss for almost 20 years. I did stand my ground on my right to be skeptical on this.

[Twisted Titan]

Beware of being too rational in the Country of The Insane, The fully intergrated man or woman is not made a King or Queen.

THEY GET LYNCHED.


Adulous Huxley

[mick silver]

so john are you looking for a job yet . it best to walk away . people that are still asleep are not to be trusted . watch what you say .

[joboo]

-Terrible tragedy.
-Some aspects were kinda weird: Dad with no emotion appeared to be acting on TV. Rosen guy seemed to be nuts, and inconsistent story. Odd witness.

Gun inconsistencies. What gun was really used...nobody seems to really know.

Other than that... wow shitty situation for sure. Have a nice day!

That's about as far as I would go with a boss at work. Ultimately he can line up at the soup kitchen fema camp style when the time comes.

[Spectrism]

I had a boss that would try to bait me on such issues- knowing that I did not conform to the propaganda from MSM. I would offer truth in reasoned doses and when he would not accept the simplest facts I shut him off. Conversation over. Let them believe what they want and don't waste your breath trying to convince them.

Sandy Hook- I called family to verify that there was a direct link to a victim. Once I confirmed that, I knew the event happened. Those who wildly claim it is all fake with actors are doing all skeptics a disservice. Now I question why after a month we still have almost no facts about the mechanics of the incident. I also note how incessant the news media drum the anti-gun beat.

[Bigjon]

I think Sandy Hook presents as good an opportunity to point out the futileness of having gun free zones. Ask your boss if he would put up a sign in front of his house that says "this is a gun free zone". Ask him what he thinks that would do for him and his family.

The police always arrive in time to take notes.

There is so much wrong with Sandy Hook that it has to be a setup to draw out conspiracy theorists.

I say ignore that aspect and sell the obvious, that gun free zones are invitations for bad people to take advantage.

[mamboni]

Thanks all. I was pretty shook up on this. I did not bring it up, so I am not sure where he is coming from. I tend to avoid discussing this in general. I have known my boss for almost 20 years. I did stand my ground on my right to be skeptical on this.

He brought it up? Are you certain he is not monitoring your on line communications?

I don't discuss politics, the economy or the news with coworkers - waste of time, my time. My standard response to any attempt to elicit a response from me is "Believe what you want to believe. Have a nice day.";D

[Shami-Amourae]

I think Sandy Hook presents as good an opportunity to point out the futileness of having gun free zones. Ask your boss if he would put up a sign in front of his house that says "this is a gun free zone". Ask him what he thinks that would do for him and his family.

The police always arrive in time to take notes.

There is so much wrong with Sandy Hook that it has to be a setup to draw out conspiracy theorists.

I say ignore that aspect and sell the obvious, that gun free zones are invitations for bad people to take advantage.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7pGt_O1uM8

[joboo]

Then he asks...what I want to believe? Is there something else you know that I don't?

Doh...

[Spectrism]

I will have to try that on cops..... excuse me officer- this is a gun-free zone. Please step away from my car while wearing a gun.

When they visit your home, tell them they cannot bring their evil guns near your house- it is a gun-free zone.

[mamboni]

Then he asks...what I want to believe? Is there something else you know that I don't?

Doh...

Have a nice day.

[Horn]

I don't discuss politics, the economy or the news with coworkers - waste of time, my time. My standard response to any attempt to elicit a response from me is "Believe what you want to believe. Have a nice day.";D

All my political discussions boil down to repeating Ben Franklin's quote that we are lambs and they are wolves.

[joboo]

Have a nice day.

Why is there something you think you know that I don't?

haha
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anyhoo...

JQP,

If you connect to the office via citrix or terminal server session, or locally through a proxy server, they can shadow your sessions i.e. watch your desktop as you work, or pull up your online activities going back several months with a few clicks on the proxy server. Buddy could even get daily/weekly etc... emails of online stats per user depending on the proxy software.

[Norweger]

All my political discussions boil down to repeating Ben Franklin's quote that we are lambs and they are wolves.

http://healthandsurvival.com/2008/09/05/10-dead-people-at-ben-franklins-home/

[sirgonzo420]

http://healthandsurvival.com/2008/09/05/10-dead-people-at-ben-franklins-home/

Yeah, ole Benny Franklin and the Hellfire Club were into some pretty weird shit.

[PlatinumBlonde]

He brought it up? Are you certain he is not monitoring your on line communications?

I don't discuss politics, the economy or the news with coworkers - waste of time, my time. My standard response to any attempt to elicit a response from me is "Believe what you want to believe. Have a nice day.";D

Ditto here.. My philosophy about these discussions are akin to teaching a pig to play the piano--it annoys the pig and it's a total waste of your time..

[joboo]

Ditto here.. My philosophy about these discussions are akin to teaching a pig to play the piano--it annoys the pig and it's a total waste of your time..

That's akin to giving up, and settling for defeat without being creative.

People respond to rational information, and likewise people shut down when you cross the rubicon.

You can plant seeds of doubt without coming off like a nutter.

i.e. "They still don't know what guns that were used, was it the AR-15? It would be easy to pick up a spent round, and know right away no?"

...and..."man that father seemed odd did you see that guy....seemed almost like he was acting. He didn't seem sad, or upset at all...and he was smiling!?" What's that all about?

Bingo. Mission accomplished. Two seeds of doubt for buddy to think about, and reputation in tact.

[Cebu_4_2]

He did have shape shifting eyes, almost like he was a reptilian. I think the smiling pretty much hid it but once he was directly on camera it was clear as day.

[madfranks]

I will have to try that on cops..... excuse me officer- this is a gun-free zone. Please step away from my car while wearing a gun.

When they visit your home, tell them they cannot bring their evil guns near your house- it is a gun-free zone.

Never thought of that before. I'd add, "my house is a gun-free zone, but not a donut-free zone, come in and have a krispy kreme!"

[joboo]

Heart disease is the #1 killer in the world.

Krispy creme donuts kill more people than guns do. Ban krispy creme!

All joking aside, if you want to see a nation wide revolution happen overnight...ban hamburgers.

[PlatinumBlonde]

That's akin to giving up, and settling for defeat without being creative.

People respond to rational information, and likewise people shut down when you cross the rubicon.

You can plant seeds of doubt without coming off like a nutter.

i.e. "They still don't know what guns that were used, was it the AR-15? It would be easy to pick up a spent round, and know right away no?"

...and..."man that father seemed odd did you see that guy....seemed almost like he was acting. He didn't seem sad, or upset at all...and he was smiling!?" What's that all about?

Bingo. Mission accomplished. Two seeds of doubt for buddy to think about, and reputation in tact.

It's not defeat by any means. It's using good judgement about the topic of which you speak and with whom.

Controversial topics at work and in particular with the boss are off limits..

[Libertytree]

I had a co-worker once who was always trying to bait me about my beliefs in events, gov etc and asking questions about my guns, preps, pms. I never really liked the dude, no one did but I always refused to interact with his mega liberal ass. Well, one night he got drunk at one of our store get togethers and let it slip that his brother was some big guy in the BATF and that he could have us all fucked with. He didn't last long after that but it did show me that people who bait are not to be trusted.

[Horn]

http://healthandsurvival.com/2008/09/05/10-dead-people-at-ben-franklins-home/

If we all knew the criminals we associate with...

[Norweger]

In my opinion the so called founding fathers are overrated to the max. Bunch of freemasons taking credit for god given rights.

[joboo]

It's not defeat by any means. It's using good judgement about the topic of which you speak and with whom.

Controversial topics at work and in particular with the boss are off limits..

It largely depends on how uptight your boss is aka how "corporate" the environment is, and how good of an employee you are.

If you're awesome at what you do, you're allowed to have an opinion based on face value mainstream observations.

If your boss asks for your opinion, and you brush him off v.s. giving an honest answer based on the obvious it's not going to be a huge deal.

The key is not making conclusions on the peculiarities, but the fact that you noticed them. This just shows you're observant, and possess critical thinking skills.

[Horn]

In my opinion the so called founding fathers are overrated to the max. Bunch of freemasons taking credit for god given rights.

Who doesn't love Jefferson or Jackson though?

[mamboni]

In my opinion the so called founding fathers are overrated to the max. Bunch of freemasons taking credit for god given rights.

Those men did a lot more than that. They codified the natural laws of men into a legal foundation for a nation, and backed it up with their literal lives and fortunes. Hardly a minor deed IMHO.

[PlatinumBlonde]

It largely depends on how uptight your boss is aka how "corporate" the environment is, and how good of an employee you are.

If you're awesome at what you do, you're allowed to have an opinion based on face value mainstream observations.

If your boss asks for your opinion, and you brush him off v.s. giving an honest answer based on the obvious it's not going to be a huge deal.

The key is not making conclusions on the peculiarities, but the fact that you noticed them. This just shows you're observant, and possess critical thinking skills.

No this just shows you're showing off..

[joboo]

No this just shows you're showing off..

Stating the father looked like he was acting, and mentioning the gun confusion scenario is showing off?

How exactly?

[Libertytree]

In my opinion the so called founding fathers are overrated to the max. Bunch of freemasons taking credit for god given rights.

For one they are not the "so called" founding fathers, they are actually THE founding fathers of America. They never took credit for it because it's common sense to look through history and see where previous .govs had gotten it wrong and then applied the "God given fundamental rights" to all.

[Hugginator]

This not going to end well. Lick those boots so you can get your ration of peanuts.

[Cebu_4_2]

Or if he is a Jew...


This not going to end well. Lick those boots so you can get your ration of peasants.

[BabushkaLady]

Who doesn't love Jefferson or Jackson though?

Two or Five? Of all the great men I see daily on the FRNs, Benny is still my favorite.

[JohnQPublic]

Things were more mellow today. We went out in small group, and I jokingly said that we should probably avoid the topic of Sandy Hook. He chucked and said something about staying away from "politics". My boss is not an anti-gun guy by any means, but he tends to stay more mainstream.

[Horn]

Two or Five? Of all the great men I see daily on the FRNs, Benny is still my favorite.

My view is the F. Reserve & Euro elites hang their heads on the bills as one might hang a trophy hunting kill on his walls.

Even the snooty Hamilton had some good points about him.