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EE_
23rd January 2013, 12:32 PM
The good news...Jerry Brown fixed the budget deficit virtually over-night and California is now operating with a budget surplus

The bad news...

California residents, businesses consider bailing on Golden State over taxes
By William La Jeunesse
Published January 23, 2013
FoxNews.com

From small businessmen in San Diego to vintners in Napa Valley, top-earning Californians reeling from a new state income tax are preparing to pack up and bail out.

Top-ranked golfer Phil Mickelson ignited a firestorm this week by suggesting that the state's tax landscape might force him to make tough decisions, such as moving elsewhere. Mickelson later backtracked, saying he shouldn't have spoken so openly about his personal situation, but others in the Golden State are still speaking out.

"If you have excessive regulations and excessive tax, that's just not where you want to be," said Peter Farrell, president of ResMed a medical-device maker in San Diego that employs 600 workers and is considering moving its offices out of state. "California is unfriendly. It's become an unfriendly business environment."

One possibility is Texas, where the personal income-tax rate is zero, compared to 13.3 percent for top California earners.

Another San Diego-based company, Fallbrook Technologies, a maker of variable speed transmissions, recently announced it is leaving for Texas.

Nevada tax accountant George Ashley said he's received more than 100 inquiries from higher-earning Californians about the possible tax advantages and feasibility of relocating to a state with lower taxes.

"We have had a 10-fold increase from various parts of California, particularly Los Angeles and the Bay Area where many people are seeking a way to leave the state," said Ashley, who lives just over the California state line in Lake Tahoe, Nev.. "They are fed up with the situation and they feel like they are being unfairly treated."

The proposed exodus is the result of Proposition 30, a tax-increase proposal by Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown that residents voted into law in November

California expects to net $5 billion to $7 billion annually by increasing the tax rate on households making more than $250,000 a year -- and which already pay 62 percent of state income taxes, according to 2010 tax returns. The top 2 percent of earners, households earning more than $450,000, pay 46 percent of the taxes. And those earning more than $1 million -- just 34,000 of the state's 14 million taxpayers -- pay 25 percent of the entire states' taxes.

"As soon as Prop 30 happened, I saw just a huge change in the mindset," said consultant Matt Bradvica, a certified public accountant in the San Diego office of the national tax advising company McGladrey. "It was almost as if that pushes it to the limit.

"There are other states out there that have no income tax at the individual level. And so if you can save 13 percent in your business by residing in Nevada, for instance, which is a zero tax state, then I need to consider doing that."

And many have already have.

Fox News contacted a dozen high net-worth residents up and down California. Most talked at length but asked that we keep their identity hidden out of fear of being audited -- or, as at least one person said, "harassed" by the California Franchise Tax Board, the state version of the IRS.

"It never stops," a wealthy San Diego retiree told Fox News. "Pay a little more this year. Pay a little more pay here. Pay another business tax here. There is no end. So we decided to end it, and left."

Married, with grandchildren in the area, this individual put his house up for sale as soon as Prop 30 qualified for the November ballot. He now lives in Phoenix, having sold two California homes. He claims to be saving $20,000 a month in property and income taxes since relocating.

Another North County San Diego resident, whose home is currently for sale, told Fox News he estimates he and his wife will save $30,000 a month by moving to Arizona. He said it's not that he is against paying his fair share, but more than 50 percent of state residents pay no personal income taxes at all, and that, he said, is "unfair".

"We feel like the politically convenient target," he said. "Governor Brown used the tyranny of the majority to steal from the minority. It's that simple. The majority isn't going to vote to increase their taxes -- stick it to the guy next door. That is the mentality in California and while we love the state and will miss the beaches, we've had it. We're out."

A venture capitalist wrote: "I am thinking about Seattle. In our business, my income comes in big pops when we sell a company. So when those events happen I will always be taxed at the highest rate."

A Napa County winemaker added: "Truly frightening. I was a little shocked when we looked at our first paycheck of 2013. I have nothing taken out above the minimum required taxes and found my net pay was 46 percent of the gross. Any wonder we, as I'm sure many others, are considering fleeing CA for an income tax free state, in our case Jackson Hole, WY. "

A Silicon Valley investor planning to leave wrote: "I don't think I would be a good subject for your report. I think anything I say would come across as whining. I hit a great deal and now the taxes are coming due, but no jobs are involved. If I leave, the state will lose my taxes and the economic activity associated with my living expenses, but that's it. Since my son is only in high school, I (can't) leave prior to the time he graduates."

While most of the evidence of an exodus so far is anecdotal, some tax analysts expect the evidence to show up in declining tax revenues from the wealthy by 2014, as they figure out how to legally relocate without actually leaving the Golden State nine months a year.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/23/california-residents-businesses-consider-bailing-on-golden-state-over-taxes/#ixzz2IpeNthvi

mamboni
23rd January 2013, 12:41 PM
No way Brown has a surplus. I'll bet these are all projected revenues. I guarantee that this tax increase will cause gross revenues to drop, not increase. Anyone in a successful business has a brain. No one with a brain would tolerate this level of taxation which is punitive. 13% state income tax rate is obscene. Most businesses are lucky to operate with a positive 13% margin. They are crazy to stay in California just to hand it over to the fucking state.

osoab
23rd January 2013, 12:57 PM
How much of their surplus disappeared when FacePuke's stock didn't perform as expected?

gunDriller
23rd January 2013, 01:18 PM
most California cities are run by Jews, e.g. Santa Rosa.

plenty of affirmative action hires, which does nothing for Caucasian Gentiles.

when will people wise up & get Affirmative Action for Gentiles, to combat Jew nepotism ?


e.g. half of the instructors at Santa Rosa Junior College are Jewish. Most of the IT department is Jewish. Most of the city managers are Jewish.

The Jewish manager of a Lutheran church in Santa Rosa promotes "i-Grow", Jew-Jobs from an Obama job creation grant. competing with one of the state's biggest Marijuana Superstores - also named i-Grow.


California = what happens when Jews run things. sort of like Israel, without the obvious apartheid.

joboo
23rd January 2013, 01:24 PM
A friend of mine from way back has been living in Santa Monica for the past 12 years with his wife, and kids.

I visited back in 2006 for some skiing at Mammoth, and Tahoe. His biggest complaint always boils down to too many jews, and homos.

chad
23rd January 2013, 01:28 PM
california has a "surplus" largely because they based CALPERS as getting an expected rate of return of 7%. that's the whole surplus, right there.

mamboni
23rd January 2013, 01:51 PM
A friend of mine from way back has been living in Santa Monica for the past 12 years with his wife, and kids.

I visited back in 2006 for some skiing at Mammoth, and Tahoe. His biggest complaint always boils down to too many jews, and homos.

And he was friend to you????

mamboni
23rd January 2013, 01:52 PM
california has a "surplus" largely because they based CALPERS as getting an expected rate of return of 7%. that's the whole surplus, right there.

7%? No fricking way in this ZIRP environMEnt unless they engage in high risk high leverage gambling.

chad
23rd January 2013, 01:56 PM
wait, i was wrong, it's 7.5%. they had it at 7.75%, but they revised it downwards.

http://taxdollars.ocregister.com/2013/01/08/calpers-investments-net-tiny-returns/165031/

joboo
23rd January 2013, 02:06 PM
And he was friend to you????

phew... I smell fart again.

He's not a friend like you are if that's what you mean.

palani
23rd January 2013, 02:16 PM
"Jerry Brown fixed the budget deficit virtually over-night"

This the way things happen in a colorable jurisdiction.

I have a letter ready to go to the county treasurer asking that he verify a property has been taken off the tax rolls of this state and inserted on the tax rolls of the state. I am advising he set the property value at 2,000 Spanish milled dollars.

Ponce
23rd January 2013, 02:33 PM
When your tax dollar is going into paying welfare and food stamps, and colleges, and hospital bills and all that there is to 64% of illegals then why not move out?....and then you have our wars of lebaratio onto othe countries and poleticians and bankers then.........why not move out?, and don't forget the portion of your taxes that is going to the state of Israel and being used to kill people and to steal their lands.........may The Force be with America but to hell with the US government.

V

osoab
23rd January 2013, 03:48 PM
wait, i was wrong, it's 7.5%. they had it at 7.75%, but they revised it downwards.

http://taxdollars.ocregister.com/2013/01/08/calpers-investments-net-tiny-returns/165031/

I believe at one time the Illinois Teachers Retirement System used 8% for their models. Got to love bureaucrats selling hopium.

EE_
23rd January 2013, 04:02 PM
Tiger Woods Says High State Taxes Drove Him from California to Florida
Golf superstar makes comments in wake of reported concerns of San Diego's Phil Mickelson.
By Patch San Diego Email the authorJanuary 22, 2013

LA JOLLA, CA -- Tiger Woods, speaking Tuesday at the Torrey Pines Golf Club, sympathized with colleague Phil Mickelson, saying he moved out of California in 1996 because of high taxes.

“Well, I moved out of here back in ‘96 for that reason,” Woods said in response to a question from a reporter in advance of the Farmers Insurance Open. “I enjoy Florida, but also I understand what he was, I think, trying to say. I think he’ll probably explain it better and in a little more detail.”

Woods has bagged more than $100 million in prize money during his career, according to Forbes magazine.

http://lajolla.patch.com/articles/tiger-woods-says-high-state-taxes-drove-him-from-california-to-florida?national=patch&ncid=edlinkuspatc00000006&icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl3%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D260620

General of Darkness
23rd January 2013, 04:05 PM
Other than the great weather, beauty and a small number of good friends, I HATE THIS FUCKING PLACE. I should have moved to Croatia when I said I was going too.

Horn
23rd January 2013, 06:29 PM
Other than the great weather, beauty and a small number of good friends, I HATE THIS FUCKING PLACE. I should have moved to Croatia when I said I was going too.

Wait a second, in the "Under God" thread you said something along the lines that you identify with God built U.S.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmvFNR_6CZU

mick silver
23rd January 2013, 06:35 PM
G o D come on to ky and buy you some land .

General of Darkness
23rd January 2013, 06:38 PM
Wait a second, in the "Under God" thread you said something along the lines that you identify with God built U.S.



Don't be a fucking jew and misrepresent what I said.

Sparky
23rd January 2013, 07:01 PM
I've been waiting for this side of the "California budget miracle" story to come out. I don't know how Californians can tolerate the excessive taxes, and I live in Taxachusetts!

BrewTech
24th January 2013, 06:35 AM
I'm not getting how it's good news that the state government is running a supposed surplus when, as a result, everyone else (meaning those that actually produce) living in the state is in the red financially.

Productive business people don't take government holidays off (e.g MLK day), yet there is no traffic on the freeway on "holidays" like that. I guess that should tell you something.