Shit...it s about to get MORE real.

[JDRock]

...just got off a very disturbing telephone call with some russian american friends. They went through a currency devaluation/hyper inflation in the '80s. Recalling the madness and the circumstances that LED to that, ALL the russian American churches told their congregations from the pulpits this morning that a similar fate is looming for the dollar ( no surprize there)...BUT,their calling for it febuary or march at the latest. these people i talked to were degreed financial professionals, not conspiracy buffs.
take it for what you will, I think its legit although im always hesitant to put a timeline on it.

[vacuum]

What course of action do they recommend taking?

[JDRock]

The same as we have been preaching here; get rid of paper and convert it to hard assets. They also pleaded for the folks to pay off any debt now as when the collapse comes the banksters can rewrite the laws as they did in russia so you owe way more than the original amount....i guess the bastards "factored in" inflation!

[EE_]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISATXfAUxjc

[General of Darkness]

It's time to get busy FOLKS. I think I'll take Thursday and Friday off this week to make this happen. What's the name of the company that does the silver boxes in So Cal?

[Sparky]

It's interesting to hear these types of reports, to understand what people are thinking. But with all due respect, most people are usually wrong in terms of interpreting what's going on around them. There's almost no chance of such a thing happening in the next couple of months because there is simply no reason for it yet. Step back and see where we are in the big picture. The U.S. domino can't fall until the Europe/Japan dominoes falls. The USD will have its last fling during that period.

The real crisis period will probably begin with a paper dollar shortage, when paper will be king. That will be short-lived (weeks or months). After that we will finally see inflation accelerate dramatically.

You should keep some paper for this potential crisis/opportunity. You simply can't know all of the details as to how things will play out, so you need to maintain flexibility, rather than being boxed in. I'm completely supportive of holding hard assets, but you have to cover all of the bases along the way. There could be a period of time during which your local grocery store will only accept paper.

Having said that, I appreciate the report, JD. Sharing stories like this is helpful for keeping informed of how people are perceiving the history that is unfolding. This type of info is what keeps the GSUS network ahead of the curve.

[EE_]

It's time to get busy FOLKS. I think I'll take Thursday and Friday off this week to make this happen. What's the name of the company that does the silver boxes in So Cal?

CNI www.golddealer.com

[JDRock]

This is to me different for several reasons. The first is, these people HAVE BEEN THROUGH this before and are speaking out of experience-recent experience. Secondly, they are Christian folk, not people selling you preps and silver while ringing the bell of imminent doom. And as i understood it (they were frantic) it was a countrywide warning and was not a local thing.
I too am hesitant to "call" a set time -BUT
homeland security had bought BILLIONS of rounds recently on RUSH orders....camps are built and waiting....who knows, but these factors were NOT there even a year ago.

[General of Darkness]

It's interesting to hear these types of reports, to understand what people are thinking. But with all due respect, most people are usually wrong in terms of interpreting what's going on around them. There's almost no chance of such a thing happening in the next couple of months because there is simply no reason for it yet. Step back and see where we are in the big picture. The U.S. domino can't fall until the Europe/Japan dominoes falls. The USD will have its last fling during that period.

The real crisis period will probably begin with a paper dollar shortage, when paper will be king. That will be short-lived (weeks or months). After that we will finally see inflation accelerate dramatically.

You should keep some paper for this potential crisis/opportunity. You simply can't know all of the details as to how things will play out, so you need to maintain flexibility, rather than being boxed in. I'm completely supportive of holding hard assets, but you have to cover all of the bases along the way. There could be a period of time during which your local grocery store will only accept paper.

Having said that, I appreciate the report, JD. Sharing stories like this is helpful for keeping informed of how people are perceiving the history that is unfolding. This type of info is what keeps the GSUS network ahead of the curve.

Sparky you make a great argument. Do you put in all on black or red? Bullion, bullets and food, and then end up holding bag if it all turns around? Who the fuck knows, but the bottom line is that it's inevitable and what are the end game choices? Today, Tomorrow, next week, NEVER etc. We know it's not NEVER but we also can't put a finger on it. But what we do know is that it's near, max 10 years.

So how do you play it?

[JDRock]

[QUOTE=Sparky;607388]. The U.S. domino can't fall until the Europe/Japan dominoes falls. The USD will have its last fling during that period.

The real crisis period will probably begin with a paper dollar shortage, when paper will be king. That will be short-lived (
.[/QUOTE I believe the dollar is in WAY worse shape than any euro currency....its in chinas sight as THE thing to destroy first. secondly im not sure about a paper shortage when the presses have been going at top speed since Reagan!.....that said i hope your right.

[EE_]

I would buy silver maple leafs and French/Swiss 20 francs. 50%silver 50%gold

[Sparky]

Sparky you make a great argument. Do you put in all on black or red? Bullion, bullets and food, and then end up holding bag if it all turns around? Who the fuck knows, but the bottom line is that it's inevitable and what are the end game choices? Today, Tomorrow, next week, NEVER etc. We know it's not NEVER but we also can't put a finger on it. But what we do know is that it's near, max 10 years.

So how do you play it?
I don't claim to be as prepared as others on this site, but I'm trying to cover a lot of bases. Bullion, bullets, food, water. Supplies. Land. Digital cash. Paper cash. Paper equities. Family, loyal friends, and community. Most importantly, awareness. Even those who are much less prepared will gain from awareness, as they will be less hesitant to act when opportunities present themselves as a crisis begins to unfold. Others will be paralyzed with ignorance.

As for timing, remember over a year ago I picked March 2014 as the time of open unraveling. But you're right, that's just speculation, and we can't really put a finger on it.

[joboo]

With a fresh raise on the debt ceiling it's going to be a little while yet.

[sirgonzo420]

What's a good place to buy Swiss/French 20 franc gold coins online, close to spot?

[Sparky]

I believe the dollar is in WAY worse shape than any euro currency....its in chinas sight as THE thing to destroy first. secondly im not sure about a paper shortage when the presses have been going at top speed since Reagan!.....that said i hope your right.

No, JD, I think the Euro is in far worse shape than the USD. That will come to bear over the next 18 months. The only thing that might beat the Euro to the bottom is the Yen. China is patient. They will wait for this to unfold first before they attack the USD.

As for paper, remember that only about 10% of US "money" is in paper currency form. And 70% of that resides outside of the United States. When the digital financial system locks up, there will be a brief rush to paper. So I literally mean FRNs. Not credit cards, not checks, not account transfers. Linen-laced paper.

[EE_]

What's a good place to buy Swiss/French 20 franc gold coins online, close to spot?

I bought some locally, I wheeled and dealed a good price. Gainsville coins had the best price I've seen online, but they can't keep them in stock. They are very popular now globally, because of their size, price and they are a well known bullion.

CNI has them for $334 right now free shipping on $2,000...so shop around and see if you can beat that price delivered

[EE_]

Originally Posted by Sparky
No, JD, I think the Euro is in far worse shape than the USD. That will come to bear over the next 18 months. The only thing that might beat the Euro to the bottom is the Yen. China is patient. They will wait for this to unfold first before they attack the USD.

As for paper, remember that only about 10% of US "money" is in paper currency form. And 70% of that resides outside of the United States. When the digital financial system locks up, there will be a brief rush to paper. So I literally mean FRNs. Not credit cards, not checks, not account transfers. Linen-laced paper.


Did you factor in a possible Israel strike on Syria?

[Glass]

I think a collapse in the Euro will be less traumatic than expected. Most countries will just revert to their old pre-dependence currencies. Of course current leaders will need to be removed or sidelined because they will insist there is no other way than to stay in euros.

The US doesn't really have a fall back currency or more correctly any people still alive who remember the last currency. Because of this I think it will be a more sudden and dangerous event. I'd keep plenty of paper, even lots of low denominations for the short term because folding currency becomes scarce. By the time you are out of those, it will be the products that will be scarce and dollars won't have the buying power. Thats where you have silver so you have the needed buying power and after that you have food because no buying power will be enough to get you food. You could swap 2 and 3 depending on how you see it on the other side of SHTF. Have silver left for the post SHTF recovery/reconstruction or maybe thats golds job?

[General of Darkness]

I don't claim to be as prepared as others on this site, but I'm trying to cover a lot of bases. Bullion, bullets, food, water. Supplies. Land. Digital cash. Paper cash. Paper equities. Family, loyal friends, and community. Most importantly, awareness. Even those who are much less prepared will gain from awareness, as they will be less hesitant to act when opportunities present themselves as a crisis begins to unfold. Others will be paralyzed with ignorance.

As for timing, remember over a year ago I picked March 2014 as the time of open unraveling. But you're right, that's just speculation, and we can't really put a finger on it.

Exactly, and that's where the rubber meets the road.

Whether we use awareness or flexible it's irrelevant. Shit happens so fast in a big city most people aren't prepared for it, just ask Reginald Denny.

[Ponce]

Well, it looks to me that I will be selling my silver berore I die, or rather, will be trading it for my "Silver Island"....... it will be fun to see a repeat of the bull run in silver of nineteen eighty.

V

[Sparky]

Did you factor in a possible Israel strike on Syria?
What I've learned over the last 10 years or so is that any international incident is USD positive. Remarkable but true. It should be a reminder to everyone where the civilized world continues to place its trust when the going get's tough. It's how we can get away with owing $16T, and over 100% of GDP. It looks like we're going to milk that trust until someday it bursts. I'm just saying the Euro and the Yen are much more likely to burst first.

But I do see gold getting a bigger and bigger share of "nervous" money as we move forward. That's why Germany's intention to repatriate its gold is such a big deal. It sends a big message out to the rest of the world that there's another trustworthy option besides the USD. But there's still a ways to go before the world gives up on the Dollar.

[vacuum]

One key difference from Soviet Russia is that our money is the reserve currency of the world, whereas theirs wasn't. If our money was similar to theirs in terms of how it is used internationally, then the exact comparative predictions would be more accurate.

[Horn]

I don't think there will be individual slow dominoes.

When the dollar goes everything goes relatively quickly in spiral fashion, excepting a few small local currencies which will eventually be trownsed upon.

Till then they're all just playing rings around it the $.

[old steel]

I would like to think we have the luxury of watching for various signposts that tell us ok this means that we have more time cause this has to happen first and so on but everything is connected these days.

Electronic trading, news within minutes of an event happening anywhere in the world. The vast majority of people in the western world living from paycheck to paycheck.

Personally i don't believe we will get much if any warning at all before the boom is lowered.

It will happen fast, so fast we will be blindsided.

Sometime this year for sure.

If i'm wrong i am selling all my firearms, ammo, preps along with my 1 gold and 2 silver maple leafs and going on an extended vacation.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Now might be a good time to sell some stocks you own that have large gains. If the devaluation happens between now and whenever you pay your 2013 taxes you will be paying your taxes on your gains in devalued dollars. A bit of a break there. But make sure and buy some gold and silver with the proceeds from the sale of the stock so your money won't lose its value, or buy the stocks right back after taking the gain. Also,you might want to increase the number of exemptions you have on your W4 form so withholding on payroll taxes is lower. Use the extra money to buy gold and silver. Never let a good crisis go to waste.


Hatha

[Twisted Titan]

The same as we have been preaching here; get rid of paper and convert it to hard assets. They also pleaded for the folks to pay off any debt now as when the collapse comes the banksters can rewrite the laws as they did in russia so you owe way more than the original amount....i guess the bastards "factored in" inflation!

In all my years of hearing about russia. I never knew that they pulled something like that.

I guess you could argue but at a time of collapse and unbridled corruption and violence i can see why most chose to go.along with tge new deal.

Though if you paid it off there is no guarantee your claim would be honored.

The best option would have been to be holding gold

[chad]

i'm curious to hear more about how laws can "be rewritten so you owe way more than the original amount." i'm guessing this is an error in translation and has something to do with interest rates, currency conversion, revaluation, etc. surely they didn't write laws that said you owed us xx principal on monday and then on tuesday it was xxxx principal.

[JohnQPublic]

It's time to get busy FOLKS. I think I'll take Thursday and Friday off this week to make this happen. What's the name of the company that does the silver boxes in So Cal?

MONEX, too.

[Twisted Titan]

Thats what i was thinking chad.

Unless they enforced it with the barrel of a gun.

Violence tends to quell opossition to things.

[madfranks]

i'm curious to hear more about how laws can "be rewritten so you owe way more than the original amount." i'm guessing this is an error in translation and has something to do with interest rates, currency conversion, revaluation, etc. surely they didn't write laws that said you owed us xx principal on monday and then on tuesday it was xxxx principal.

I understood it to mean that they changed the laws to bind your loan to the inflation rate, meaning if inflation is running 25% annually, the amount you owe goes up 25% too. I can see them re-writing laws to that effect.

[midnight rambler]

i'm curious to hear more about how laws can "be rewritten so you owe way more than the original amount." i'm guessing this is an error in translation and has something to do with interest rates, currency conversion, revaluation, etc. surely they didn't write laws that said you owed us xx principal on monday and then on tuesday it was xxxx principal.

Do your *really* think the banksters are going to allow the people to get the upper hand for even a moment??

[mick silver]

i still think before this is all over we are being lead to a one world currencies and the usa will be the leader in this . all one has to do is look at who's making wars all over the world

[Sparky]

...
Personally i don't believe we will get much if any warning at all before the boom is lowered.

It will happen fast, so fast we will be blindsided.

Sometime this year for sure.

If i'm wrong i am selling all my firearms, ammo, preps along with my 1 gold and 2 silver maple leafs and going on an extended vacation.

We have had years of warning, all in an orderly progression. This same progression dictates the Euro and Yen must fall first.

These things don't happen fast. They just seem fast to the unaware; this is what I'm talking about. Take a look at subprime mortgages, and the fall of Lehman. Those who were aware knew this was coming for years. And even after it actually hit, it still took weeks and months to play out. Those who were aware as to what was going on had the first opportunity to take their money out of the affected banks. Look at all the TARP deliberation. While the politicians were yacking about what to do, there was time for individuals to act. Look at the current gun control panic; all the informed GSUSers are making purchases while the deliberation and debate drags on.

I'm not sure what you think will happen this year. Certainly no U.S. currency devaluation, if that's what you mean. Maybe a European or Japanese event, but even that is more likely in 2014. But if it's 2013, that will be the final warning bell for the U.S. So you would be selling your preps at the wrong time! (Seriously, I'm pretty sure that you're too smart to be selling any preps in 2013.)

[EE_]

Maybe we have it all wrong and nothing will ever happen? Maybe it will just be a long slow slide downward to a shittier way of life in the US.

Look at all the things that have happen in the last 15 years and our economy keeps bouncing back.
9/11, Katrina, an oil volcano in the gulf, housing collapse, mortgage fraud, stock market collapse, depression, trillions in bailouts, banking fraud, 3 nuclear melt downs, perpetual wars, huge govenment deficits, countries and cities around the world bankrupt, Superstorm Sandy, Libor fraud, families, schools and church destroyed, bogus elections, bogus president, money printing out of control, government spending out of control.
And life still goes on, stock markets recover, home prices/sales rising, people have 10's of billions to spend on guns and ammo, restaurants still packed, people are still traveling.

Why should we think they can't keep this going for another 20/40 years?

Maybe if earth gets hit with a giant asteroid, a solar EMP, the New Madrid fault lets loose and the Yellowstone super volcano blows all at the same time, we will recover even more quickly and see the stock markets zoom to make new highs again?

[chad]

Maybe we have it all wrong and nothing will ever happen? Maybe it will just be a long slow slide downward to a shittier way of life in the US.

Look at all the things that have happen in the last 15 years and our economy keeps bouncing back.
9/11, Katrina, an oil volcano in the gulf, housing collapse, mortgage fraud, stock market collapse, depression, trillions in bailouts, banking fraud, 3 nuclear melt downs, perpetual wars, huge govenment deficits, countries and cities around the world bankrupt, Superstorm Sandy, Libor fraud, families, schools and church destroyed, bogus elections, bogus president, money printing out of control, government spending out of control.
And life still goes on, stock markets recover, home prices/sales rising, people have 10's of billions to spend on guns and ammo, restaurants still packed, people are still traveling.

Why should we think they can't keep this going for another 20/40 years?

Maybe if earth gets hit with a giant asteroid, a solar EMP, the New Madrid fault lets loose and the Yellowstone super volcano blows all at the same time, we will recover even more quickly and see the stock markets zoom to make new highs again?

i've pondered this a lot lately. i redid my prep storage room this past week as well as my office closets. found a lot of stuff i purchased in 2005 or so. much of it has literally doubled in price. sometimes i think this is the plan. just keep making things shittier and shittier until we all live in hoovervilles and get excited at the prospect of getting an apple.

[JDRock]

the crash of '29 happened FAST
the housing crash happened FAST
Ammo drying up happened FAST
these things are long in planning but FAST in actual implementation.

Who of all us informed could have predicted ammo would permanently dry up in 1 week?

[mick silver]

not me jd , never in my life would i thought i would see ammo not on shelves

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

I too am skeptical of any time frames givin to these scenarios. I'm utterly surprised they've been able to kick the can down the road this far. Then again, you throw ten trillion frns at a problem and I guess anything is possible.

[EE_]

I could have added that through all these things, the elite, bankers, politicians and corporate owners have gotten richer then ever before, no one at the top has gone to jail because they are immune from criminal laws. Their corporate owned law enforcement officers have been given more power then ever. And US consumers have been stripped of privacy and liberties.
No one in the world has stood up to them.

Looks like the elite are in complete control? They have money, technology and high tech weaponry to back them up.

They are laughing their balls off at us from their compounds, islands, super yachts.

Now get back on your hamster wheels and keep running little people!

http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/images/man_hamster_wheel_lg_nwm.gif

[Serpo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8kBDUw45uY&feature=player_embeddedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8kBDUw45uY&feature=player_embedded

[Sparky]

the crash of '29 happened FAST
the housing crash happened FAST
Ammo drying up happened FAST
these things are long in planning but FAST in actual implementation.

Who of all us informed could have predicted ammo would permanently dry up in 1 week?

Many here have been stockpiling for years, for just such an event. There were several high profile shootings that were warning flags along the way.

And even after the final warning (the Sand Hook shooting), it took 1-2 weeks for ammo to dry up. I for one did not adequately take advantage of that, but I only blame myself. The opportunity was there. As with most crash events, I still expect there to be one more rebound opportunity.

Even after the stock market crash of 1929, there was a 30% rebound before the market reached it's ultimate low more than two years later, at a level that was 80% below the original 1929 crash price.

The well-advertised economic troubles of Iceland, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Spain, etc. are the warning flags. The final warning flag for the U.S. would be a collapse of the Euro or Yen. The fallout from that will take weeks to months for the financial world to digest, and during that period, the USD will be king. Whether that is followed by a subsequent USD collapse, or a 10-year downward grind has yet to be seen.

Make no mistake, the time to prepare is now because there will never be as good of an opportunity. We don't know the timing, severity, or duration of what is to come. I for one think that the 10-year grind is a more likely outcome, but I do not disregard the crash scenario, and advise preparing for both. However, I'm simply saying that I would expect the U.S. crash scenario to be preceded by at least one of the two canaries in the coal mine, those being the Euro and the Yen.

[EE_]

the crash of '29 happened FAST
the housing crash happened FAST
Ammo drying up happened FAST
these things are long in planning but FAST in actual implementation.

Who of all us informed could have predicted ammo would permanently dry up in 1 week?

Those things happened fast because they were engineered to and made happen fast.
1. Crash of 29 = Wall Street Jews and the Jew bankers yanked the rug out of the economy.
2. Housing crash = see #1.
3. ammo shortage = government bought up massive quantities of ammo and caused the panic to remove the rest.

Now that the ammo is gone, plan B will be implemented.
We will sell you your box a month allotment, if you are registered and present your monthly mental heath check certificate.
Sorry, there's nothing in the second amendment giving you the right to own ammo.
Enjoy your rifle!

[Sparky]

...
We will sell you your box a month allotment, if you are registered and present your monthly mental heath check certificate.
Sorry, there's nothing in the second amendment giving you the right to own ammo.
Enjoy your rifle!

Yeah, this is probably where things are headed. Not to mention a special ammo tax. I'm heading to the ammo store tomorrow. They currently have a two box daily limit. I'm just hoping they have two boxes for me.

[madfranks]

Kudos Sparky, your analyses and posts are well thought out and expressed.

[Horn]

However, I'm simply saying that I would expect the U.S. crash scenario to be preceded by at least one of the two canaries in the coal mine, those being the Euro and the Yen.

Got it Sparky ;)

How about some coal in your canary mine?

http://www.etf-corner.com/.a/6a010535da87f8970c0163016e3418970d-800wi

[Sparky]

Horn, your chart shows a tremendous strengthening of the Yen over the last 6 years. My whole point is that you will see a sharp temporary reversal of that before the final USD plunge.

[Horn]

Horn, your chart shows a tremendous strengthening of the Yen over the last 6 years. My whole point is that you will see a sharp temporary reversal of that before the final USD plunge.

Hmm Yes, I had wondered if Asians see things differently.

Are you Asian, Sparky?

4387

[JDRock]

i disagree sparky are we looking at the SAME chart??

[Sparky]

i disagree sparky are we looking at the SAME chart??
That's a chart of USD compared to Yen, right? So a downward curve is a strengthening of the Yen versus the dollar. Here's a long-term point-and-figure chart of the Japanese Yen:

http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/SharpChartv05.ServletDriver?chart=$XJY,PETCDANRBO[PA][D][F1%213%21%21%214%2120]&pnf=y (http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/SC.pnf?c=$XJY,PLTCDANRBO[PA][D][F1%213%21%21%214%2120]&pnf=y)

[Horn]

4388

http://www.istockanalyst.com/finance/story/6215263/how-to-make-big-profits-from-this-falling-currency

[Hypertiger]

A limited dollar collapse can be engineered to bring the crazies out/cover for the collapse of the late 2010 recovery lie...Then allow the Dollar to rise up again.

in 1944 the US dollar was made the global trade medium of exchange...all teh rest of teh currencines are derivatives of the US Dollar.

All the rest of the currencies of the world derive their strength or weakness from the US Dollar.

Iran was cut off from the supply of US Dollars and their currency collapsed...Egypt was cut off and their currency collapsed.

China is doomed...their bubble has been inflating by 10% for 30 years...Without US debt inflation to keep China inflated...they collapse.

[Horn]

A limited dollar collapse can be engineered to bring the crazies out/cover for the collapse of the late 2010 recovery lie...Then allow the Dollar to rise up again.

Hold the phone!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vZa7g14F-Y

[JDRock]

were fvked...i still think its coming sooner than later the ONLY way to explain the hike in gas and food prices is rapid currency devaluation....get your food and fuel preps NOW.-remember ammo.

[old steel]

Bye Bye Dollar .. Hello Yuan .. So it begins ...
February 18, 2013
Ok...we are seeing this starting with Yuan trading in banks world wide at this time...
This will mark the beginning of the official end of the US dollar.
Watch for nations dumping the dollar which will will lead to rampant inflation.
This will first be seen in gasoline prices and then reflected in all products market wide.
Food and fuel...will become so high priced that public outrage will pour into the streets.
This may start slow but if we as a nation (the United States) suffer any catastrophic military set backs anywhere in the world the process of "dollar dumping" by foreign nations will become frenzied to the point that we may see an overnight meltdown of the US economy.
Now people...is the time...to have a plan...and plan to act.

http://goingglobaleastmeetswest.blogspot.ca/2013/02/bye-bye-dollar-hello-yuan-so-it-begins.html

[Spectrism]

When the few dollars you earn can barely buy your food, you will know that you are in the very last days. We are (not) seeing the death by starvation of many lands..... hidden from the news media. Following this money monster are death, disease and pestilence of all sorts. Then war.

2013 is a bad year for those who want to live forever. It is a bad year for those who want to save the earth. It is a bad year for those who only like happy thoughts.

[Hitch]

Bye Bye Dollar .. Hello Yuan .. So it begins ...

And the world just got a little bit smaller. Shit is getting real, quickly. Maybe we need to learn chinese and have a big group hug with them.

Start singing Neil Diamond.

Yuan. Touching Yuan. Reaching out, touching me, touching you....

[JDRock]

so i was 15 days off......sue me.

[JDRock]

if you dont have food- GET IT. Make sure your gas cans are filled preps checked, things are going to get interesting.

[Horn]

so i was 15 days off......sue me.

Reason for the recent pushdown in gold & silver?

[chad]

breaking: merrrill lynch executed a futures sell order for 6 billion on friday.

[Jewboo]

Who of all us informed could have predicted ammo would permanently dry up in 1 week?



This was the game changer for me. Last night I surfed some gun forums and in their member For Sale sections there were several Newbie first-time-posters offering to sell 9mm and .223 ammo for double and triple normal price. The regular membership instantly attacked them for being "gougers" and told them to fuck off. The forum mods allowed this to happen and usually footnoted those threads with "we normally don't allow personal attacks here...but this shameless profiteering by strangers is outrageous...blah blah blah...

The lesson I took away from this is that anyone who stockpiles anything now and thinks they can "barter" wtshtf is in for facing some very dangerously angry people. They'll just STEAL your barter goods calling you a greedy pos.

[Ponce]

Like I said before......what will happen will happen in winter and that way only those with ball will go out to protest as to what is going on and at the same time give the government more time to situate their mercenary forces.

V

[Hitch]

The lesson I took away from this is that anyone who stockpiles anything now and thinks they can "barter" wtshtf is in for facing some very dangerously angry people. They'll just STEAL your barter goods calling you a greedy pos.

The problem is our culture, and the masses, have such a dependency on entitlements these days, people will not adapt well to bartering. When people don't have something, and they feel entitled to it (yours), they can get dangerous and angry. I think you are right.

This is why silver, 90%, I think will be the best vehicle for barter. Nobody 'needs' silver, and silver can be used just as a medium of exchange. The worst barter items will be cigarettes and booze. If you plan on bartering with those, yes they will be in huge demand, but you'd better be ready for people to get angry if they can't pay for it.

[Ponce]

As before.......when bartering in the future do it at least five miles from home, don't take everything that you have all at one time, on your way back home keep and eye on the rear view mirrow....go about a mile beyond your home and then come back again......try to park the vehicle that you took to the trade fair where it cannot be seen from the road......stay concealed for about five minutes to see if any vehicle slowed down while going past your home.

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[kiffertom]

The same as we have been preaching here; get rid of paper and convert it to hard assets. They also pleaded for the folks to pay off any debt now as when the collapse comes the banksters can rewrite the laws as they did in russia so you owe way more than the original amount....i guess the bastards "factored in" inflation!this statement makes sense as the banks cant inflate to steal our money so they will find another way to take it !

[chad]

if you watch politicians, they always do what jewboo described. have money? it's not fair, we need to tax you more. have property? it's not fair, we need to tax it more. have retirement investments? it's not fair, we need to tax it more. have food & ammo? it's not fair we need to take it away.

[Twisted Titan]

Which is why the best thing you can do is act like the locals do.

Throw dirt on your face and make sure you wear tattered clothes.

Make the masses believe you have it just as bad as them.


The most useful prep of all may be having the abilty to keep your piehole shut.

[JDRock]

Which is why the best thing you can do is act like the locals do.

Throw dirt on your face and make sure you wear tattered clothes.

Make the masses believe you have it just as bad as them.


The most useful prep of all may be having the abilty to keep your piehole shut.
^^^^ THIS^^^^ whine with the crowds for a handout ( if your near cities)....then go home and eat like a king. hahaha

[osoab]

This was the game changer for me. Last night I surfed some gun forums and in their member For Sale sections there were several Newbie first-time-posters offering to sell 9mm and .223 ammo for double and triple normal price. The regular membership instantly attacked them for being "gougers" and told them to fuck off. The forum mods allowed this to happen and usually footnoted those threads with "we normally don't allow personal attacks here...but this shameless profiteering by strangers is outrageous...blah blah blah...

The lesson I took away from this is that anyone who stockpiles anything now and thinks they can "barter" wtshtf is in for facing some very dangerously angry people. They'll just STEAL your barter goods calling you a greedy pos.

Depends the way you look at the fuck off.

Were most of the guys saying fuck off the ones that know that today's "gouging" is just bullshit and they are not willing to pay it? Or were they the guys that only ever thought to buy when they shot and are now blaming others for their heads being up their asses?

I think this board would most definitely tell a guy to fuck off if he was offering to sell wilver at 100 frn back in 2011.

[Jewboo]

Were most of the guys saying fuck off the ones that know that today's "gouging" is just bullshit and they are not willing to pay it? Or were they the guys that only ever thought to buy when they shot and are now blaming others for their heads being up their asses?



Let's face it. Every gun forum is filled with "Liberty" types but these small-time ammo profiteers who openly self-describe their forum sell offers as an exercise in the "FREE MARKETPLACE" were instantly vilified by both the regular membership and mods.

Point to take away from this for me is............even the Liberty types will get spitting angry and probably just steal our "barter" stuff wtshtf. Intellectually, they do understand the buy low sell high Capitalist ideal but when they themselves are expected to pay these new higher prices due to the (hoarding-caused) shortage, they get angry real quick. They're gonna just get redfaced and steal our hoarded shit not politely "barter" for it.

[Neuro]

Let's face it. Every gun forum is filled with "Liberty" types but these small-time ammo profiteers who openly self-describe their forum sell offers as an exercise in the "FREE MARKETPLACE" were instantly vilified by both the regular membership and mods.

Point to take away from this for me is............even the Liberty types will get spitting angry and probably just steal our "barter" stuff wtshtf. Intellectually, they do understand the buy low sell high Capitalist ideal but when they themselves are expected to pay these new higher prices due to the (hoarding-caused) shortage, they get angry real quick. They're gonna just get redfaced and steal our hoarded shit not politely "barter" for it.
I think you are mostly correct on this, probably a good idea not to barter with a for profit motive wtshtf, if anything you could barter cans for potatoes, or firewood with your neighbors and friends...

[osoab]

Let's face it. Every gun forum is filled with "Liberty" types but these small-time ammo profiteers who openly self-describe their forum sell offers as an exercise in the "FREE MARKETPLACE" were instantly vilified by both the regular membership and mods.

Point to take away from this for me is............even the Liberty types will get spitting angry and probably just steal our "barter" stuff wtshtf. Intellectually, they do understand the buy low sell high Capitalist ideal but when they themselves are expected to pay these new higher prices due to the (hoarding-caused) shortage, they get angry real quick. They're gonna just get redfaced and steal our hoarded shit not politely "barter" for it.


I take most of them as arm chair keyboardists. They can "lash" out over the internet. In real life they will walk away. They may come try to take it, but only a fool attempts to go after a guy with ammo while having no ammo themselves.

[JDRock]

...just got off a very disturbing telephone call with some russian american friends. They went through a currency devaluation/hyper inflation in the '80s. Recalling the madness and the circumstances that LED to that, ALL the russian American churches told their congregations from the pulpits this morning that a similar fate is looming for the dollar ( no surprize there)...BUT,their calling for it febuary or march at the latest. these people i talked to were degreed financial professionals, not conspiracy buffs.
take it for what you will, I think its legit although im always hesitant to put a timeline on it.

maybe the WRONG march???

[JDRock]

...more on this, the US tells germany "we now have your gold, you dont have to wait 12 years now"......then we hear the ukrainians gold is being shipped to the fed for "safekeeping" bwaahhaaa....hmm wonder where the fed got "germanys" gold???
ALL WARS ARE BANKERS WARS....

[Spectrism]

This indicates that the banksters are already entrenched in Ukraine and if Putin tries to march beyond Crimea, help will break loose. BUTTTT.... if the banksters already got the gold out of Ukraine, they can pull up stakes and let the Russians have the rest. It is extremely odd that the first thing they export is their gold reserves! Actually, that is a sign of capitulation to the Russians.

[mick silver]

before the bankers leave Ukraine they will suck it dry they may not even leave food for the people and drinking water may even be short then