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lapis
9th February 2013, 11:34 AM
No, they're not according to the study...so why the coy title? I guess too keep people thinking that veg diets are good for the environment. They know most people only read headlines.


"And when Darmon and her colleagues looked at what people actually ate to get a certain amount of energy from food every day, they found that the "highest-quality" diets in health terms - those high in fruit, vegetables and fish - were linked to about as much, if not more, greenhouse gas emissions as low-quality diets that were high in sweets and salts."


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/08/us-health-plant-diet-idUSBRE91712520130208

(Reuters Health) - A nutritious diet that includes lots of fruits and vegetables might not be the greenest in its environmental impact, according to a new study from France (http://www.reuters.com/places/france).

After analyzing the eating habits of about 2,000 French adults, and the greenhouse gas emissions generated by producing the plants, fish, meat, fowl and other ingredients, researchers concluded that widely embraced goals for the health of people and for the health of the planet are not necessarily perfectly compatible.

Growing fruit and vegetables doesn't produce as much greenhouse gas as raising cattle or livestock, the study confirms, but people who eat a primarily plant-based diet make up for that by eating more of those foods.

"When you eat healthy, you have to eat a lot of food that has a low content of energy. You have to eat a lot of fruits and vegetables," said Nicole Darmon, the study's senior author from the National Research Institute of Agronomy in Marseille, France.

Greenhouse gases - which include carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide - are produced by machines that burn fossil fuels. That gas is then released into the atmosphere, where it contributes to climate change.

Food production - including the use of farming equipment and transportation - is estimated to be responsible for 15 percent to 30 percent of greenhouse gas emissions in developed countries, the authors write in The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.

Scientists have long advised people to switch to a plant-based diet to benefit the environment and their own health.

To more closely examine that premise, Darmon and her colleagues used food diaries from 1,918 French adults to compare the nutritional quality of people's real-world diets and how much greenhouse gas they produced.

From the diaries that were kept for seven days between 2006 and 2007, the researchers identified the 400 most commonly consumed foods. They then used a database to find out how much greenhouse gas was emitted to produce each one - measured as the grams of carbon dioxide equivalent per 100 grams of food.

All aspects of a food's lifecycle were taken into account, including how it was cooked, Darmon said. "The only step that wasn't taken into account was the transport from the supermarket to the home," she added.

According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, the average car emits about 423 grams of carbon dioxide every mile.

Overall, about 1,600 grams of carbon dioxide were emitted for every 100 grams of meat produced. That's more than 14 times the amount of greenhouse gas emitted during the production of fruit, vegetables and starches. It's also about 2.5 times as much greenhouse gas as that generated by fish, pork, poultry and eggs.

That gap narrowed, however, when the researchers looked at how many grams of carbon dioxide were emitted per 100 kilocalories (kcal) - a measure of energy in food.

The most greenhouse gas - 857 grams - was still emitted to produce 100 kcal of meat, but it was only about three times the emissions from a comparable amount of energy from fruit and vegetables.

Greens also ended up emitting more gas for the calories than starches, sweets, salty snacks, dairy and fats. It was also about as much gas as pork, poultry and eggs.

And when Darmon and her colleagues looked at what people actually ate to get a certain amount of energy from food every day, they found that the "highest-quality" diets in health terms - those high in fruit, vegetables and fish - were linked to about as much, if not more, greenhouse gas emissions as low-quality diets that were high in sweets and salts.

Overall, the documented diets were responsible for around 5,000 grams of greenhouse gas emissions per day per person.

Darmon said that's because people who eat a plant-based diet need to eat more produce to get the amount of energy they'd have in a piece of meat.

"I think to any reader it's surprising. One of the standard things we hear is that meat - particularly red meat - has the greatest greenhouse gas emissions," said Roni Neff, who studies how food contributes to climate change but was not involved with the new study.

But Neff, the director of research and policy at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health's Center for a Livable Future, cautioned against taking the findings too literally. "It's a lot more complex than that," she added.

For example, she pointed out that according to the study's calculations, people would need to eat about nine pounds of fruit and vegetables to make up for a smaller serving of meat, and that may be unrealistic. [How so? Even a small piece of meat, especially if it is cooked in butter is extremely satiating. A salad, not so much. That's reality.]

But, Neff said, "I think they're raising a lot of important questions that need further investigation."
SOURCE: bit.ly/W1KW2y (http://bit.ly/W1KW2y) The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, online January 30, 2013.

lapis
9th February 2013, 11:55 AM
Okay I see why she said that. Roni Neff's Center for a Livable Future (http://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institutes/johns-hopkins-center-for-a-livable-future/), which seems to have a lot of in common with Agenda 21 is associated with the Meatless Monday campaign (http://www.meatlessmonday.com/).

joboo
9th February 2013, 12:16 PM
Interesting article. Thanks.

Serpo
9th February 2013, 01:40 PM
Well I just go out to our vegetable garden and pick something to eat because we get hungry.

joboo
9th February 2013, 05:10 PM
It would be interesting to see this calculated from a nutrition density perspective as well.

Son-of-Liberty
9th February 2013, 06:23 PM
The whole vegetarian is good for the earth thing at it's core is eugenics. There are lots of well meaning people that jump on the band wagon but I don't think they understand how important clean meat products are to health, mental function and longevity.

Cholesterol intake is very important for both brain function and hormone production. Saturated fats are both satiating and an excellent source of energy that doesn't lead to diabetes. Animal protein is superior for muscle and organ growth and repair.

A vegan diet is almost impossible to pull off in the long run without running into some sort of nutritional deficiency. It is a great diet if you want low testosterone and a weak body and poor mental function. Which is why it is being pushed on us as good for the earth.

One thing that is really missed when vegan is compared to a balanced diet is that there is lots of land that is not suitable for conventional crops like wheat, corn or soy because it has poor soil or is too rocky, dry or steep but would still be suitable for pasturing cattle, sheep or hogs or growing fruit or nuts.

This idea that we either grow wheat and corn for animals or eat it ourselves is a false choice. Sure big agra likes to raise animals concentration camp style on grains but that produces low quality meat and is energy intensive. There is no reason why we can't use the prime land to grow crops for ourselves and then use the marginal land for pasturing animals. This produces healthier meat and is better for the environment.

Of course actually using your brain on the matter doesn't quite fit the Agenda 21 paradigm.

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Most people would be healthiest eating paleo btw.

Son-of-Liberty
9th February 2013, 06:26 PM
Another thing that is missed (or conveniently left out) is that tilling causes a huge amount of carbon that was locked up in the soil as organic matter to be released into the atmosphere. Rotational grazing does not do this because if you are managing the land right you never have to till.

Shami-Amourae
9th February 2013, 08:44 PM
Most people would be healthiest eating paleo btw.

I think Weston A. Price's diet is the healthiest, but they are almost the same. The major disagreement is over the issue of dairy. Paleo professes that it's not natural to consume the milk of other animals, especially after human infancy. On the surface this logic makes sense.

Weston A. Price's diet says raw milk is very healthy, and a important source of Vitamin K2. Weston A. Price diet also emphasizes healthy raw cheeses, and well, Paleo doesn't. The main reason why I believe Weston A. Price is right is since my cavity healed (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?66607-Update-on-My-Quest-to-Cure-My-Cavities) after drinking it.

Son-of-Liberty
9th February 2013, 09:20 PM
Raw milk from grass fed animals is good stuff. I get some when I can but it is really hard to come by where I live because of the laws. There are very few studies on raw milk in humans because researchers are worried about liability because the government says it is dangerous. I think most paleo zealots will come around to agreeing that it is fine for most people. I am flexible in my thinking.

mick silver
10th February 2013, 11:49 AM
i just put 2 truck load of cow shit in my garden

Shami-Amourae
10th February 2013, 11:50 AM
Hitler was a vegetarian:
http://www.infowars.com/hitlers-food-taster-margaret-woelk-talks-about-his-vegetarian-diet/