Christopher Dorner in gun battle with authorities, in big bear calif.

[Dogman]

This may or may not have been him. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/manhunt-christopher-dorner-big-bear.html


Christopher Dorner in gun battle with authorities, source says

February 12, 2013 | 1:12 pm

Christopher Dorner was engaged in a shootout with federal authorities in the Big Bear area Tuesday, a law enforcement source told The Times.

The shooting occurred after Dorner burglarized a home, tied up a couple and stole their car, the source said.
It was not immediately clear whether Dorner was in custody.

A second source said there was an active crime scene but did not have details.

Law enforcement officials were swarming the area.

Meanwhile, an associate of Dorner was being tracked by investigators, according to court records that suggest Dorner may have received help as he eluded a massive law enforcement dragnet. Dorner, 33, a former LAPD officer, has evaded authorities since Wednesday night when he was named as the suspect in the slaying of an Irvine couple, a crime that preceded a wave of violence.

A criminal complaint filed in federal court raises the possibility that Dorner may have been assisted by an associate identified as "J.Y."

The search turned to Big Bear last week after Dorner's burning truck was found on a local forest road.
At the search's height, more than 200 officers scoured the mountain, conducting cabin-by-cabin checks. It has since been scaled back: About 30 officers were involved Monday and the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department said about the same number would be out again Tuesday.

Authorities also asked residents in the Big Bear area with security cameras at their homes to review any video recorded after midnight Feb. 7 to see if images of Dorner had been captured. Dorner allegedly threatened "unconventional and asymmetrical warfare" against police in a lengthy manifesto that authorities say he posted on Facebook. The posting named dozens of potential targets, including police officers, whom Dorner allegedly threatened to attack, according to authorities.

The records state that the manifesto was discovered by authorities Wednesday, three days after the slaying of the two Irvine victims: Monica Quan, a Cal State Fullerton assistant basketball coach, and her fiance, Keith Lawrence, a USC public safety officer.

Quan was the daughter of a retired LAPD captain whom Dorner allegedly blamed in part for his firing from the force in 2009.

The federal documents also provide new details on Dorner's alleged attack against officers early Thursday in Riverside County.

The first shooting was in Corona after an eyewitness reported a person matching Dorner's description at a gas station, telling an LAPD officer "who was detailed to the area to protect one of the officials whom Dorner had threatened," according to the court records.

"When the officer drove by the gas station, the suspect exited his vehicle and fired an assault rifle at the officer, hitting the officer's vehicle," according to the court records.

The LAPD later said the officer received a grazing wound.

About 30 minutes later, Dorner opened fire on Riverside police officers "who were in the area searching for Dorner," the documents said. On that detail, the account conflicts with a statement provided to the media by Riverside police officials, who said the officers were stopped at a red light and were not looking for Dorner.
Riverside Officer Michael Crain, 34, a married father of two who served two tours in Kuwait as a rifleman in the Marines, was killed in the attack. His partner remains hospitalized, Police Chief Sergio Diaz said, and it was unclear if he would be able to return to active duty.

Dorner was charged Monday with one count of murder, with special-circumstance allegations in the killing of a peace officer and the discharge of a firearm from a vehicle, in connection with Crain's death. He faces three additional charges of attempted murder.

Riverside Dist. Atty. Paul Zellerbach said because of the special-circumstance allegations, Dorner could be eligible for the death penalty if convicted.

ALSO:

Dorner manhunt stretches from L.A. to Mexico and beyond (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-los-angeles-mexico.html)

Dorner manhunt: L.A. City Council adds $100,000 to reward (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-los-angeles-council-reward.html)



As the time of this post the fight is still going on.

[vacuum]

I imagine they've got him contained. Any roads into or out of the area are likely blockaded. The officers who encountered him probably immediately withdrew and called in reinforcements. Shouldn't be long before he's captured now.

[Dogman]

I imagine they've got him contained. Any roads into or out of the area are likely blockaded. The officers who encountered him probably immediately withdrew and called in reinforcements. Shouldn't be long before he's captured now.

So far two cops shot and he is still free and running using a 4x4?

And I agree they will fill him with bullets so much he will look like hamburger.

He is a dead man walking/running.

[vacuum]

So far two cops shot and he is still free and running using a 4x4?

And I agree they will fill him with bullets so much he will look like hamburger.

He is a dead man walking/running.

But look at where he is:
http://binged.it/X5VEDp

There's nowhere he can run.

[Dogman]

But look at where he is:
http://binged.it/X5VEDp

There's nowhere he can run.


Lot's of area, and I wonder how many more he will take out before they get him.


Edit: sounds like they have him "pinned down"

[JohnQPublic]

He's trying to get to the 38 (use satellite view):

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Glass+Rd,+Angelus+Oaks,+CA+92305&hl=en&ll=34.167464,-116.911182&spn=0.029436,0.066047&geocode=+&hnear=Glass+Rd,+Angelus+Oaks,+California+92305&t=h&z=15

[JohnQPublic]

Lot's of area, and I wonder how many more he will take out before they get him.


Edit: sounds like they have him "pinned down"

link? or is it live tv/radio.

[Dogman]

Bunch of cop cars parked and helicopters flying in one area, looks like someone set off a smoke grenade at a driveway.

CNN sat feed directv

have not a clue about link.

[JohnQPublic]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/cvplive/cvpstream3

[vacuum]

It's over. Before they didn't know where he was, now they do and there's one way in and one way out.

[Dogman]

Sounds like the feds put in a no fly zone around the area, excluding all but gov/cop helicopters and such.

[Cebu_4_2]

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/live-video/

[JohnQPublic]

It's over. Before they didn't know where he was, now they do and there's one way in and one way out.

If he were played by Wesley Snipes or Bruce Willis in a movie- he would get away.

[EE_]

His only chance would be to take a hostage...not likely he will at this point, unless he has one in the cabin.

[Dogman]

They have him barricaded in a cabin, wonder if they will do a branch davidan Waco tactic on him and burn him out?

[vacuum]

All I can say is, thank god a drone wasn't involved in his capture.

[General of Darkness]

dead men tell no tales.

[JohnQPublic]

All I can say is, thank god a drone wasn't involved in his capture.

What difference does it make? Dead is dead. I notice the CNN stream is cut on the internet. I can see some motion on the bottom of the screen as though they are broadcasting, but just blocking it digitally. Strange.

[joboo]

I'm still waiting for someone to tie this into the pope story. It's just a matter of time.

;)

[Libertytree]

Seems like if he can hold out till after dark he has a good shot of getting away or starting an assault on cops in the area.

[Cebu_4_2]

try this one also: http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/live-video/

[JohnQPublic]

Seems like if he can hold out till after dark he has a good shot of getting away or starting an assault on cops in the area.

That's about 3 hours. Not likely if they have him pinned in a cabin.

[madfranks]

What difference does it make? Dead is dead. I notice the CNN stream is cut on the internet. I can see some motion on the bottom of the screen as though they are broadcasting, but just blocking it digitally. Strange.

It makes a big difference in public perception. If a drone was used to successfully neutralize the target, the domestic use of drones will not be met with as much public resistance.

[vacuum]

What difference does it make?

Once drones are proven to be useful in the field, every police department will get them, probably including dedicated drone teams.

Right now there is no "killer app" for drones. Catching a cop killer would provide such a "killer app".

[JohnQPublic]

True.

Here is some more live video:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/inland_empire&id=8989757

[JohnQPublic]

The deputies are drawing their guns on every car coming through!

It does not look that cold up there. A lot of the people standing around are in short sleeved shirts.

[General of Darkness]

I'm still waiting for someone to tie this into the pope story. It's just a matter of time.

;)

Your post would actually be funny, but you're not to be trusted. And before you ask, you know why.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPJAEbOe5kU

[joboo]

I'm praying this turns into a bigfoot sighting.

[Libertytree]

That's about 3 hours. Not likely if they have him pinned in a cabin.

Yeah, I just heard that he was supposedly pinned down. I reckon we'll see just how much training he had.

[Dogman]

Sounds like he has two hostages. Wonder if they will live to see the end of this?

[JohnQPublic]

Sounds like he has two hostages. Wonder if they will live to see the end of this?

Where did you hear that?

[Dogman]

Where did you hear that? CNN

But there is a bunch of confusion so he may or not have them.

[joboo]

I'm hearing a lot of "I don't knows" with regards to every question brought up on ABC.

The scene is so perfect for a bigfoot sighting. Any locals reading this...please suit up, and go for a walk in the hills there.

[Serpo]

I'm hearing a lot of "I don't knows" with regards to every question brought up on ABC.

The scene is so perfect for a bigfoot sighting. Any locals reading this...please suit up, and go for a walk in the hills there.

What a great time for a laugh when someone is about to get killed

[Cebu_4_2]

Way too many inconsistencies as usual. Pinned up in a cabin, 2 people tied up, stole their pickup yet he is still in the cabin though they are searching every car... Dude should be wearing a cops uniform and drive a cop car down the mountain and wave as he goes by... on camera.

[joboo]

What a great time for a laugh when someone is about to get killed

How do you know? Nobody seems to know. Seems like a circus event.

Just a bunch of cops stopping cars.

[JohnQPublic]

Way too many inconsistencies as usual. Pinned up in a cabin, 2 people tied up, stole their pickup yet he is still in the cabin though they are searching every car... Dude should be wearing a cops uniform and drive a cop car down the mountain and wave as he goes by... on camera.

He tied up two pwople, stole their truck and ran. He abandoned it along that road south of Big Bear Lake, and just North of the 38, and took off on foot. He fired on two cops (hitting them), and possibly Forest Service personnel. There are a lot of cabins in the area. That is what I gather.

[General of Darkness]

He tied up two pwople, stole their truck and ran. He abandoned it along that road south of Big Bear Lake, and just North of the 38, and took off on foot. He fired on two cops (hitting them), and possibly Forest Service personnel. There are a lot of cabins in the area. That is what I gather.

Gather these nutz post deleter.

[Heimdhal]

so is he currently, as of right now 6:12 est time, pinned in a cabin, or on foot in the woods?


If hes in the cabin, with out without hostages, hes done for. If hes on foot, theres a small chance he can grab a car on the the highway and get away, but its unlikley also. Mobility is the ally here, and if he loses that, being alone and with NOT assests, sitting tight will only be a matter of time.

[milehi]

Word on the scanner is he took a cop car and is gone. Pretty exciting up here, except that my day off snowboarding was cut short. I learned that black, white and grey Dodge Avengers with tinted windows are unmarked cars today, and they don't appreciate a brake check. All cars driving down the highways off the hill are being searched.

[osoab]

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden)
Dorner's Last Stand - Live Webcast (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-12/dorners-last-stand-live-webcast)

[Serpo]

Run baby run

[osoab]

Gather these nutz post deleter.

I can't help myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGG22xiEV8U

[Dogman]

This may be where he is. 34°11'12.23"N 116°54'52.97"W

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42261806,d.b2I&biw=1525&bih=737&q=34%C2%B011%2712.23%22N+116%C2%B054%2752.97%22W&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x80db4cb4d17df14f:0x501352b3f1a28fa0,%2B34% C2%B0+11%27+11.24%22,+-116%C2%B0+54%27+53.12%22&gl=us&sa=X&ei=G9AaUYyWFIzdqQHGroHwBA&ved=0CC0Q8gEwAA

[Dogman]

I can't help myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGG22xiEV8U

Little help from your friends!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGG22xiEV8U

;D

[osoab]

Little help from your friends!

;D


I could have embeded, but I wanted it to be a surprise.

[Libertytree]

Word on the scanner is he took a cop car and is gone. Pretty exciting up here, except that my day off snowboarding was cut short. I learned that black, white and grey Dodge Avengers with tinted windows are unmarked cars today, and they don't appreciate a brake check. All cars driving down the highways off the hill are being searched.

Now that would be a story right out of a movie! Run Chris run!

[Dogman]

I could have embeded, but I wanted it to be a surprise.Snap!

Sorry!

:(

[osoab]

Now that would be a story right out of a movie! Run Chris run!

Have you ever seen Run Ronny Run?

[Libertytree]

Have you ever seen Run Ronny Run?

No, but I did watch ol Forrest runlike hell a couple times and I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express :)

[EE_]

One deputy he shot today, died

[milehi]

One deputy he shot today, died

It was one of the locals from town. They kill people here, so I'm going to wait to feel bad.

[Libertytree]

It was one of the locals from town. They kill people here, so I'm going to wait to feel bad.

Do you know if they have cut off the police scanners?

[JohnQPublic]

Word on the scanner is he took a cop car and is gone. Pretty exciting up here, except that my day off snowboarding was cut short. I learned that black, white and grey Dodge Avengers with tinted windows are unmarked cars today, and they don't appreciate a brake check. All cars driving down the highways off the hill are being searched.

The last I saw on the news, they are waving them through. Maybe they have positive ID?

[EE_]

Sounds like the two deputies tried to John Wayne it and chase him into the cabin. He turned and shot them both.
The other is now in critical condition.

It's almost like some of these yahoo cops are trying to be the one to shoot him and win the hero title?
Book deals, TV spots, endorsements and medals?

[JohnQPublic]

Still a gunfight being reported.

[EE_]

Imagine the frame of mind this guy is in right now.
10,000 cops converging on the area, with no way out but on a stretcher.

[vacuum]

How has he not run out of ammo yet?

[JohnQPublic]

House/cabin on fire.

[Cebu_4_2]

House/cabin on fire.

With 2 hostages inside, nice guys them police is.

[Dogman]

House/cabin on fire. Waco, wash and repeat!

[EE_]

I think he cut a hole in the floor, set the house on fire and is crawling out into the woods. Nice move! It works in the movies.

[Santa]

Maybe this IS a movie. If there's real TV, then I suppose there can be real movies. Real News Movie.

[JohnQPublic]

It will be dark there soon.

The smoke is pretty thick for a cabin fire.

[EE_]

Maybe this IS a movie. If there's real TV, then I suppose there can be real movies. Real News Movie.

Maybe we are watching a green screen?

I think he crawled out in the line of smoke

[Libertytree]

2cnd hand report...he got away.

[Santa]

Maybe we are watching a green screen?

I think he crawled out in the line of smoke

Lol... I have no idea what you're watching. I don't do TV.

[EE_]

While we're waiting


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLgNDNFj9S0

[osoab]

This recent development should put a damper on the t-shirt and bumper sticker sales.

[Cebu_4_2]

Letting the cabin burn because it has a basement.

[vacuum]

Here's what might be happening:

Dorner ran out of ammo, got swat-teamed and killed. Then they burn down the house and claimed he escaped somehow. They they use a police drone to stage a capture of him out in the woods after dark.

[JohnQPublic]

Letting the cabin burn because it has a basement.

Or maybe a tunnel?

[Santa]

Here's what might be happening:

Dorner ran out of ammo, got swat-teamed and killed. Then they burn down the house and claimed he escaped somehow. They they use a police drone to stage a capture of him out in the woods after dark.

Then they dump his body out at sea, and Obama holds a press conference praising drones and Allah.

[Cebu_4_2]

I think the cabin in question was chosen randomly. They said someone tried to go out the back of the cabin but got 'pushed back in' whatever that means.

[vacuum]

Here's a post being updated live:
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/18ef5i/live_police_allegedly_in_shootout_with_dorner_in/

Here's what's posted so far:

Going to try and pick up where ronintetsuro left off.
Here's a link to the cabin on Google Maps. (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=34%C2%B011%2711.38%22N+116%C2%B054%2754.33% 22W&ie=UTF8&ll=34.186568,-116.914929&spn=0.001231,0.003304&hnear=0x80c4b335131c53bf:0x644ccc29483ec382,%2B34% C2%B0+11%27+11.22%22,+-116%C2%B0+54%27+54.31%22&gl=us&t=h&z=19)
(Local Pacific Time)
4:23 PM: In press conference, they announced one of the two officers did indeed die from the firefight. Appears cabin is on fire, no confirmation yet though.
4:28 PM: He may have escaped to a horse corral near the cabin. CBS saying the CHP officer has "changed his stance" and seems more alert / at the ready.
4:31 PM: CBS finally has actual footage of the cabin. Certainly is on fire and lots of black smoke. LE has not yet approached the cabin.
Sidenote: TFR (Temporary Flight Restriction) is still in place. CBS helicopter is simply flying above it (13000' if I recall correctly.)
4:37 PM: Authorities are "speculating" that the single gunshot at the beginning of the fire was Chris Dorner killing himself.
4:39 PM: Firefighters are here and about 100 yards away. SWAT told them to hold back and wait for further orders.
Speculation: Why did they not use a chopper with FLIR to determine if there were any heat signatures in the cabin? It can't take 4+ hours to get a plane or chopper with FLIR.
4:54 PM: Building starting to collapse. SWAT lowering weapons and walking away. "This may be the end of it." - CBS
5:02 PM: HUGE APOLOGIES. My boss pulled me into a meeting and I missed the press conference. I'm leaving work now and will get back on as soon as I'm home. My apartment is only 6 minutes away. See you then!
5:15 PM: Back. Cabin still on fire. They "do believe" it's CD because of the highjacking and his following actions. 2nd deputy is expected to survive. Not letting firemen in because there may be an armed and dangerous suspect inside, along with rounds of ammo. They do not believe he was able to escape.
5:18 PM: They have confirmed they have air support, but aren't talking about what the air support is doing or has seen.

[EE_]

Best Revenge Movies, Do you have one?

Commando - Arnold Schwartenegger

Death Wish - Charles Bronson <---My Pick

Kill Bill - Uma Thurman

Man on Fire - Denzel washington

Once Upon A Time In The West

Payback - Mel Gibson

Unforgiven - Clint Eastwood

Cop Revenge - Christopher Dorner (2013 sneak preview today)

[Libertytree]

Best Revenge Movies, Do you have one?

Commando - Arnold Schwartenegger

Death Wish - Charles Bronson

Kill Bill - Uma Thurman

Man on Fire - Denzel washington

Once Upon A Time In The West

Payback - Mel Gibson

Unforgiven - Clint Eastwood

Cop Revenge - Christopher Dorner

Carrie? :)

[vacuum]

This says he never emerged from the cabin
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_LAPD_REVENGE_KILLINGS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-02-12-20-29-30

[EE_]

Carrie? :) That was a feel good revenge movie :)

Gladiator - Russell Crow
Cape Fear - Robert Mitchum 1962

[Dogman]

Best Revenge Movies, Do you have one?

Commando - Arnold Schwartenegger

Death Wish - Charles Bronson <---My Pick

Kill Bill - Uma Thurman

Man on Fire - Denzel washington

Once Upon A Time In The West

Payback - Mel Gibson

Unforgiven - Clint Eastwood

Cop Revenge - Christopher Dorner

The Punisher - John Travolta

[EE_]

The Punisher - John Travolta

Man, these Jews sure put out a lot of these movies...and we always cheered for the revenge killer.

[vacuum]

A single gunshot was heard as authorities moved into the cabin where Christopher Dorner was believed holed up.
According to a law enforcement source, police had broken down windows, pumped in tear gas and blasted a loud speaker urging Dorner to give up. When they got no response, police deployed a vehicle to rip down the walls of cabin "one by one, like peeling an onion," one law enforcement official said.
By the time they got to the last wall, authorities heard a single gunshot, the source said. Then flames began to spread through the structure. Then, they heard gunshots likely set off by the fire.
Dorner's body has not been found. Police will search will be focused in the basement area, the source said.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/christopher-dorner-police-demolish-cabin-hear-single-gunshot.html

[Rubberchicken]

Ride Beyond Vengeance

Chuck Connors was a powerful presence in westerns but never more so than here as the trapper beaten up and left for dead who exacts a satisfyingly brutal revenge on his tormentors.So much so in fact that the town where these events took place is used by later generations as a tourist attraction where the Connors character achieves near legendary status.The action for the mid 60's is strong for an American western and in this respect the film has more in common with its Italian counterparts of the time. Performances,however,are much stronger with Bill Bixby (in his best screen performance)and Claude Akins taking top honours. The bar-room brawl between Akins and Connors at the climax of the movie is one of the toughest ever portrayed and concludes Connors' night of reprisals. "RIDE BEYOND VENGEANCE" is difficult to find nowadays and is most likely to turn up on an obscure channel at some unearthly hour.If it does,stay up,set your video or do whatever you have to do to avoid missing one of the best 'B' movie westerns ever made.

[VirgilCain]

Here's what might be happening:

Dorner ran out of ammo, got swat-teamed and killed. Then they burn down the house and claimed he escaped somehow. They they use a police drone to stage a capture of him out in the woods after dark.

But they have to keep it quiet, which is impossible. So they rarely do this kind of thing. The risk of exposure is not worth the reward. "They" will be happy once he is dead.

[osoab]

Is Dorner declared dead before the SotUA starts?

[midnight rambler]

Best Revenge Movies, Do you have one?

Commando - Arnold Schwartenegger

Death Wish - Charles Bronson <---My Pick

Kill Bill - Uma Thurman

Man on Fire - Denzel washington

Once Upon A Time In The West

Payback - Mel Gibson

Unforgiven - Clint Eastwood

Cop Revenge - Christopher Dorner (2013 sneak preview today)

High Plains Drifter

[Libertytree]

Shooter.. Marky dude

[Serpo]

High Plains Drifter

We smash the Nwo

Not sure if it's been made yet

[Cebu_4_2]

this was recorded live about an hour ago "61C 61L: Back the Bear down and then deploy the burner through the turret.

He's not shooting back; he may be down.

Confirm you know there is a basement in that residence.

Affirmed.

seconds later

We're going to be deploying a gas burner to the #1 side from the Bear.

then

7 burners have deployed and we have a fire.

[osoab]

High Plains Drifter

Man in the Wilderness

[Libertytree]

"I saw that the State was half-witted, that it was timid as a lone woman with her silver spoons, and that it did not know its friends from its foes, and I lost all remaining respect for it, and pitied it."
--Henry David Thoreau (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/132209.html)

[Serpo]

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/12/us/lapd-attacks/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

It's over

[zap]

To bad he couldn't have taken a few more out before he died, I hope he inflicted the last shot to himself, not the LAPD.

RIP

[Shami-Amourae]

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Chris_Dorner

The tl;dr itself.
https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/1/10/Chris_Dorner_Manifesto.jpg

[Cebu_4_2]

The LAPD says that they have not recovered any body, still too hot. The media continues it's bullshit on their own.

[Heimdhal]

This is pretty much to the letter how I figured it would end. Once I heard he had fled into the woods and was basicaly holed up, I knew it wouldnt be much longer. Man, you'd think the people who pull this kinda stuff would at least CONSIDER reading about those who have done it before them and NOT do the same thing.

He said "oh, i know all your moves, yadda yadda" and they still pretty much played exactly by the book and won.

Now, if he managed to escape........

[willie pete]

reminds me a little of this old Bronson movie....
http://youtu.be/AcZhmyd7D7A

[JohnQPublic]

SB Sherriifs also confirm that they have not gone into the cabin yet. Not sure what is going on.

[Cebu_4_2]

Now, if he managed to escape........

Yes I thought the same thing. Why would he go to a place where he could get trapped? The man seemed smart and ahead of the game until that point. Why did he supposedly try to steal a boat and then return to the mountain? Steal a truck and then take it to the cabin he would stay at? None of it fits the MO. Why leave his wallet at the boat incident too! I am guessing that he did have help through this, now what if the person holed up in that cabin was one of his helpers who decided to bite the bullet for the team? There are a lot of ex military that would do that for the team, really messed up individuals.

Wouldn't that just throw a wrench into the story if they find out the body was not him!?! <- that would fit the MO more than hiding in a trap, what did he do with them scuba tanks he bought a couple days prior, unless he did try to take a boat, what purpose would they serve if he planned on trapping himself. I am sure this ending was not as he planned. Way too convenient for the LAPD.

[Shami-Amourae]

He probably wanted to sail down to Mexico, but that plan failed, so he freaked out and fled up to the mountain.

One of the best ways to escape anything is by sea from what I've seen.

[Cebu_4_2]

Yeah, this worked, not so much.

[Serpo]

What like leaving America.................

[Cebu_4_2]

Well if that was him in the cabin I would venture to guess that this whole day didn't work out so well for him.

[Shami-Amourae]

Well yeah, you just sail out 12 miles into international waters, and you're home free. How many "police boats" patrol the ocean? No one considers it.

[JohnQPublic]

I was a little suspicious about claims that they already ID'd the body. After a fire like that, it would be doubtful. I mean what can they say, 'well, the body was black'.

[vacuum]

I was a little suspicious about claims that they already ID'd the body. After a fire like that, it would be doubtful. I mean what can they say, 'well, the body was black'.
I'd imagine they could tell if it had a bullet proof vest on.

[vacuum]

They pulled a charred body out of the cabin, it needs to be IDed.

[milehi]

This went down in my stomping grounds. The cabin is a short jog from where the truck was allegedly found. Where was he all week while LE went door to door?

[Twisted Titan]

Now that it is over.......... I can tell you this.

This was a Watershed moment.

This one man literally changed the Landscape of battle and what it means to Rebel against The system and Those who hold Sway over The commonner.

You can bet your last fiat dollar any Tribual boards are going to think long and hard before they rubber stamp the next rail road job against one of their own.

You can bet officers are going to think twice at the next fellow that decides to cross that thin blue line .......maybe it might not be half bad to just leave them alone.

Anybody that was on his hit list can breathe a sigh of relief but now where he left off ... the investigations will pick up because the stink is absolutely overwhleming and you know at several people will be offered up to protect those higher up the food chain

People are forced to see The Ugly Business of the Monsters that The State Creates on a regular basis. Attention will be paid to those who allege abuse and if they are ignored, well you can see what the possible consequences are.


The Public actually rallied to the side of a Anti Hero because many were able to identify with what pushed this man over the edge.

As a Anti Hero he left something for many to cling to: He only took the lives of those who he precieved who wrong him or those that gave chase. He did not kill the couple and elected to tie them up and that actually proved to be his undoing.

You better believe The state is going be running scenarios on how to deal with this threat in the future.

You also better believe the Lone wolves are taking notes about where CD went wrong and will adjust plans for revenge exacting

Instead of "Going Postal" the new tag line will be " Imma pull a Dorner on your @$$" becoming The lexicon.





One Man that is really pissed off can absolutely shake the very pillars of Power.

[vacuum]

This guy shot 6 cops in 4 separate incidences, killing 3.

He had two massive failures in his plan: a boat he stole malfunctioned, and his truck malfunctioned. Yet he was able to totally disappear in both cases, the second time presumably on foot with hundreds of police searching for him.

In two cases, the civilians he let live reported him - both the boat captain and the hostages which he didn't kill.

He presumably fired all his shots, saving the last bullet for himself.

[Serpo]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-charred-human-remains-found-in-burned-cabin.html

[Norweger]

There's something weird about this case. I guess it will be most revealing to see what political consequences it will have.

[Serpo]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/13/article-2277750-178AF681000005DC-813_634x478.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/13/article-2277750-178A9DF6000005DC-640_634x357.jpg
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2277750/Christopher-Dorner-dead-Police-recover-body-believed-wanted-ex-LAPD-killer-cop.html#axzz2Km8mSZXz

[woodman]

A lot of lawyers are going to make a lot of money off all the stupid bullshit the police have done this past week.

[PatColo]

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/Christopher-Dorner-Cabin-fire.jpg
LAPD pulls 'Waco' on Christopher Dorner; orders media to stand down before burning Dorner alive to silence him forever




http://www.naturalnews.com/images/authors/MikeAdams.jpgWednesday, February 13, 2013
by Mike Adams (https://plus.google.com/u/0/108002809946749848449?rel=author), the Health Ranger
Editor of NaturalNews.com (See all articles...) (http://www.naturalnews.com/index-HRarticles.html)











(NaturalNews) The LAPD has pulled a Waco. Barely two hours after ordering the media to remove their helicopters from the area and cut all live feeds, the LAPD managed to set fire to the cabin occupied by Christopher Dorner and burn him alive inside it, according to media reports.

Mission accomplished for the LAPD, an organization that has run its manhunt more like a rampaging street gang than a professional police department. As Natural News has already documented (http://www.naturalnews.com/039061_Christopher_Dorner_LAPD_execution.html), LAPD officers have engaged in attempted murder of innocent citizens in their freakish frenzy to try to kill Dorner.

Their motive explains why LAPD officers fired tear gas into the cabin where Dorner was staying, knowing it would ignite flammable materials in the home and set the place on fire.

"...tear gas was fired into the house before the fire broke out," reports the Los Angeles CBS affiliate. (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/12/authorities-responding-to-big-bear-home-on-report-of-hostage-situation-unknown-if-connected-to-dorner/) This is the same sort of tactic that was used to burn down the Branch Davidian community in Waco, Texas in 1993. The Waco raid, we all know by now, was a politically-motivated ATF assault against innocent men, women and children, all conducted for the purpose of increasing the visibility and importance of the ATF by creating a crisis where none existed. Click here to see an informative video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtAXs_9XToQ) on the subject.

Law enforcement knows full well that tear gas rounds often set homes ablaze. In fact, a California fire department issued a report in 2012 that supports precisely that conclusion. As the San Jose Mercury News (http://www.policeone.com/standoff/articles/5410174-Report-SWAT-tear-gas-rounds-likely-ignited-Calif-fire/) reported last year:

Police tear gas launched into a Vallejo home in February during a SWAT-team standoff played a role in starting a fire that caused $60,000 in damage and killed two dogs, a fire department report released Monday finds.

The evidence so far

So here's what we know:

1) The LAPD engaged in a wild, frenzied attempt to execute Dorner. This resulted in LAPD officers engaging in the attempted murder of innocent civilians, including one surfer and two women in a pickup truck. (Question: Why are LAPD officers who shot at innocent citizens not being charged with attempted murder?)

2) Once Dorner was holed up in a cabin, the LAPD chose to fire tear gas canisters into the home instead of waiting him out and forcing a surrender after a long standoff.

3) LAPD officers know full well that tear gas canisters can set off fires.

4) Once the fire broke out, Dorner was a dead man. If he fled the fire, he would be shot down by the LAPD. If he stayed in the cabin, he would be burned alive. This is the new brand of "justice" the LAPD is dishing out in 2013.

I'm not condoning the actions of Dorner, who appears to have murdered at least four victims. But if the LAPD is going to abandon its mission of public safety and function as an armed vigilante justice squad, dishing out death sentences to those it believes are guilty -- without a trial or anything resembling due process -- then they might as well throw away all their badges as just call themselves the LA Gang Squad. Because that's how they're acting. They can even have their own gang signs that they flash at each other before running another taxpayer-funded drive-by.

Dorner succeeds where the media has failed

Whether Dorner is really dead at this point or somehow managed to escape the fire (a possibility that has been reported), he has accomplished one astonishing thing that even the media could not achieve: The exposing of the total criminality of the LAPD and its complete abandonment of law.

Even if Dorner is dead, the LAPD still comes out of this looking not only utterly incompetent but -- even worse -- driven by vengeance rather than law. As every citizen reading this can easily recognize, that's a very dangerous attitude for a police force to carry. In this frenzied manhunt, the whole world watched while the LAPD exposed itself as a gang of reckless idiots who openly fire their guns at innocent civilians and who ram citizens' vehicles with their police cars (http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_22561406/redondo-beach-man-shot-at-by-police-christopher?source=rss_viewed) in acts of sheer madness and desperation.

"These lunatics broadsided the side of his truck, spun him around and started shooting at him," said the attorney for one of the victims of the LAPD murder attempts.

The Torrance Police Department, which seems to have abandoned all reason and logic just as the LAPD has done, explained that "Perdue's truck was 'suddenly leaving the area' and seemingly veering into a patrol car when the two vehicles collided at 5:15 a.m." (Source (http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_22561406/redondo-beach-man-shot-at-by-police-christopher?source=rss_viewed))

So now, pulling out of a driveway or simply starting your car and driving away can be interpreted as "suddenly leaving the area," earning you an attempted vehicular manslaughter maneuver by the local police. How's that for public safety, eh?

Dorner's killings were not random; but the LAPD's attempted murders were!

Consider the actual risk of harm here: Dorner did not engage in RANDOM killings. Want proof? He did not kill his hostages. He let them live because they weren't on his kill list. And yet the LAPD did, indeed, engage in random acts of attempted murder. Morally and ethically speaking, the LAPD was operating in worse violation than Dorner himself. Killing people who have wronged you is evil, but attempting to kill innocent people who have nothing to do with anything is even worse, and that's what the LAPD did.

In fact, if you really look at the situation in retrospect, a typical LA citizen was far more likely to be killed by the LAPD than by Chris Dorner. Dorner was a selective killer while the LAPD attempted to kill people indiscriminately... seemingly at random.

If you weren't on Chris Dorner's kill list, you had nothing to fear from Dorner. But if you were a black man with a bald head, you had everything to fear from the LAPD! And they proved it by opening fire on not just one innocent person, nor two, but THREE innocent citizens who didn't even resemble Dorner (two of the victims were women, the third was a thin white guy).

No wonder the LAPD was so desperately trying to murder Dorner on sight: the man knew too much. He had seen the inside operations of the LAPD, and he recognized what a runaway criminal operation it was.

None of this justifies Dorner's actions, of course. Making a kill list and murdering people is no way to handle things in a civilized country... unless, of course, you're President Barack Obama, in which case you get a bunch of DoJ lawyers to issue a 16-page memo (http://www.naturalnews.com/038969_drone_strikes_President_rule_of_law.html) "legalizing" your own private kill list that "authorizes" the murder of American citizens.

That's where Obama and Dorner are a lot alike: They both believe in the use of violence, outside of law, to kill their enemies. Obama uses armed drones (http://www.naturalnews.com/039046_military_drones_American_citizens_murder.ht ml) while Dorner used a rifle. Both of them are criminals who operate outside the law, and the only reason Dorner isn't a national hero right now is because he didn't have an army of lawyers working at the DoJ who could sanitize his activities by shoveling lawyerspeak manure all over the place.

Dorner also forgot to call his actions "peace." See, if you kill a bunch of Americans without calling it "peace," then you get chased by the police. But if you call it "peace," as Obama does, you win a Nobel Peace Prize. And then the bombs you drop on children in the Middle East are called "peace bombs."

Dorner's mistake in all this was not that he killed people, you see, it's that he didn't get enough voters to back him first. Once you get the voters behind you, you can kill anybody you want, with no legal recourse whatsoever. That's the precedent recently set by the White House, anyway.

Editor's note: I wrote this article before seeing Alex Jones' video on this subject at:
http://www.infowars.com/video-chris-dorner-torched-waco-style/

He and I both came to the same conclusion on this, which I suppose is not that astonishing, considering the history of police action in America. But what really is astonishing is that Alex Jones totally predicted, on the record, that the police would burn Dorner by setting fire to the cabin. Once again, Jones was 100% correct!

For the record, I typically hear Alex's broadcast 1-3 days after it airs. I don't listen to it in real time because I'm running Natural News during the day, so I listen to InfoWars via the downloadable MP3 files at other times, usually when I'm doing farm work. The Alex Jones Show is perfect for listening when you're on a John Deere tractor, shredding 75 acres to get ready for the spring hay season. You should try it sometime…

http://www.naturalnews.com/039065_Christopher_Dorner_LAPD_cover-up.html

[Tumbleweed]

I don't think Dorner failed. I don't believe he feared death and was ready for it. He died fighting and gave better than he got. He took some of those who he considered his enemies with him.

[madfranks]

Making a kill list and murdering people is no way to handle things in a civilized country... unless, of course, you're President Barack Obama, in which case you get a bunch of DoJ lawyers to issue a 16-page memo "legalizing" your own private kill list that "authorizes" the murder of American citizens.

That's where Obama and Dorner are a lot alike: They both believe in the use of violence, outside of law, to kill their enemies. Obama uses armed drones while Dorner used a rifle. Both of them are criminals who operate outside the law, and the only reason Dorner isn't a national hero right now is because he didn't have an army of lawyers working at the DoJ who could sanitize his activities by shoveling lawyerspeak manure all over the place.

Dorner also forgot to call his actions "peace." See, if you kill a bunch of Americans without calling it "peace," then you get chased by the police. But if you call it "peace," as Obama does, you win a Nobel Peace Prize.

Quoted for truth!!! One of the best comparisons I've read so far!

[mamboni]

The LAPD were in an aweful big hurry to snuff this guy out and silence him - I wonder why? Burning a "suspect" alive is not the act of peace officers. It is the act of domestic terrorists. No one deserves to be killed before he has had a trial and has had the opportunity to plea his case, no matter the severity of the crimes he's accused of. All we know about Dorner is what the media has told us about him. The rest we must garner from Dorner's actions. This is the same media that told us about 911, WACO, Oklahoma City. Draw your own conclusions.

[Santa]

I don't think Dorner failed. I don't believe he feared death and was ready for it. He died fighting and gave better than he got. He took some of those who he considered his enemies with him.


Survival of the body's not the goal.
Rather, survival of the human soul.

[Twisted Titan]

I don't think Dorner failed. I don't believe he feared death and was ready for it. He died fighting and gave better than he got. He took some of those who he considered his enemies with him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpUVQ_z6Zcs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Twisted Titan]

The LAPD were in an aweful big hurry to snuff this guy out and silence him - I wonder why? Burning a "suspect" alive is not the act of peace officers. It is the act of domestic terrorists. No one deserves to be killed before he has had a trial and has had the opportunity to plea his case, no matter the severity of the crimes he's accused of. All we know about Dorner is what the media has told us about him. The rest we must garner from Dorner's actions. This is the same media that told us about 911, WACO, Oklahoma City. Draw your own conclusions.


He expected no Mercy from The State, so he showed none to it nor its minions

Citizens were fortunate this was the first time they witnessed controlled rage

[Son-of-Liberty]

I wonder how this would have played out if his truck hadn't broke down. This guy seemed to have a lot of bad luck.

Sounds like the cops burned him alive after he ran out of ammo?

[horseshoe3]

Johnson County War.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS5CTMQ2Vro

"Well, they have just got through shelling the house like hell. I heard them splitting wood. I guess they are going to fire the house tonight. I think I will make a break when night comes, if alive. Shooting again. It's not night yet. The house is all fired. Goodbye, boys, if I never see you again." -- Last entry in Nate Champion's diary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nate_Champion

[EE_]

This event has really exposed how much society has turned against law enforcement. The us against them mentality.

This must have a lot of people scratching their heads and worried at how many were cheering Dorner on and what that means. Some might think the department just has an image problem, but I think they know it goes much deeper then that.

If ever society does break down/collapse, they should be fearful.

Many people still believe law enforcement is here to protect the individule...nothing could be further from the truth.
I was explaining to a friend yesterday how police have no legal duty to protect you as an individule.
He had no idea.

Police have no responsibility to protect individuals

Police have no legal duty to respond and prevent crime or protect the victim. There have BEEN OVER 10 various supreme and state court cases the individual has never won. Notably, the Supreme Court STATED about the responsibility of police for the security of your family and loved ones is "You, and only you, are responsible for your security and the security of your family and loved ones. That was the essence of a U.S. Supreme Court decision in the early 1980's when they ruled that the police do not have a duty to protect you as an individual, but to protect society as a whole."

"It is well-settled fact of American law that the police have no legal duty to protect any individual citizen from crime, even if the citizen has received death threats and the police have negligently failed to provide protection."

Sources:

7/15/05 SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES No. 04-278 TOWN OF CASTLE ROCK, COLORADO, PETITIONER v. JESSICA GONZALES, INDIVIDUALLY AND AS NEXT BEST FRIEND OF HER DECEASED MINOR CHILDREN, REBECCA GONZALES, KATHERYN GONZALES, AND LESLIE GONZALES
On June 27, in the case of Castle Rock v. Gonzales, the Supreme Court found that Jessica Gonzales did not have a constitutional right to individual police protection even in the presence of a restraining order. Mrs. Gonzales' husband with a track record of violence, stabbing Mrs. Gonzales to death, Mrs. Gonzales' family could not get the Supreme Court to change their unanimous decision for one's individual protection. YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN FOLKS AND GOVERNMENT BODIES ARE REFUSING TO PASS THE Safety Ordinance.

(1) Richard W. Stevens. 1999. Dial 911 and Die. Hartford, Wisconsin: Mazel Freedom Press.
(2) Barillari v. City of Milwaukee, 533 N.W.2d 759 (Wis. 1995).
(3) Bowers v. DeVito, 686 F.2d 616 (7th Cir. 1982).
(4) DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, 489 U.S. 189 (1989).
(5) Ford v. Town of Grafton, 693 N.E.2d 1047 (Mass. App. 1998).
(6) Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. 1981).
"...a government and its agencies are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen..." -Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App. 1981)

(7) "What makes the City's position particularly difficult to understand is that, in conformity to the dictates of the law, Linda did not carry any weapon for self-defense. Thus by a rather bitter irony she was required to rely for protection on the City of NY which now denies all responsibility to her."
Riss v. New York, 22 N.Y.2d 579,293 N.Y.S.2d 897, 240 N.E.2d 806 (1958).

(8) "Law enforcement agencies and personnel have no duty to protect individuals from the criminal acts of others; instead their duty is to preserve the peace and arrest law breakers for the protection of the general public."
Lynch v. N.C. Dept. of Justice, 376 S.E. 2nd 247 (N.C. App. 1989)

New York Times, Washington DC
Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone By LINDA GREENHOUSE Published: June 28, 2005
The ruling applies even for a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1976377/posts

[Camp Bassfish]

And they found his license...... unreal.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/down_in_blaze_of_gory_vxwE0MQSUAikgjBcO9v0JN

[midnight rambler]

SEVERAL full autos being shot in this firefight, wondering if both sides got full auto -

(video at link) - http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/down_in_blaze_of_gory_vxwE0MQSUAikgjBcO9v0JN

[Heimdhal]

That place burned for hours, how in the world did they find a readable drivers license? Is this like finding the pass ports of 9/11 hijackers at the WTC site among the rubble?

[Dogman]

That place burned for hours, how in the world did they find a readable drivers license? Is this like finding the pass ports of 9/11 hijackers at the WTC site among the rubble? I can sorta see it if he had the license in his back pocket and he was laying face up and on a hard floor. Fires are funny (not) in how and what they completely burn or not.


Edit: Burn a bunch of pine straw and keep adding to the burn pile, later dig through the ashes and you will find clumps of unburned needles, if you do not constantly work the pile with a rake while burning.

[mamboni]

I can sorta see it if he had the license in his back pocket and he was laying face up and on a hard floor. Fires are funny (not) in how and what they completely burn or not.


Edit: Burn a bunch of pine straw and keep adding to the burn pile, later dig through the ashes and you will find clumps of unburned needles, if you do not constantly work the pile with a rake while burning.

True, but the chance of finding an unburned pine cone out of a thousand burned pine cones is one thing. What are the chances of finding a single driver's license made of plasticized paper as the only unburned object in a cabin turned literally into an inferno?

[Dogman]

True, but the chance of finding an unburned pine cone out of a thousand burned pine cones is one thing. What are the chances of finding a single driver's license made of plasticized paper as the only unburned object in a cabin turned literally into an inferno? Good point, if the cabin burnt completely.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Once again, no evidence that he was in there one way or another. The LAPD can declare victory and go home. And if Dorner is still alive, he won this battle. If I were him, I'd declare victory and disappear.


Hatha

[zap]

They said they found his wallet in San Diego, I guess he took out his license and left his wallet?

[Sparky]

I'm trying to catch up on the origins of this case. Are people here aware of Dorner's stance on gun control? This from his manifesto:

'I hope that you will realize that the small arms I utilize should not be accessed with the ease that I obtained them. Who in there right mind needs a f***ing silencer!!! who needs a freaking SBR AR15? No one. No more Virginia Tech, Columbine HS, Wisconsin temple, Aurora theatre, Portland malls, Tucson rally, Newtown Sandy Hook. Whether by executive order or thru a bi-partisan congress an assault weapons ban needs to be re-instituted. Period!!!

Mia Farrow said it best. “Gun control is no longer debatable, it’s not a conversation, its a moral mandate.” '

[horseshoe3]

They said they found his wallet in San Diego, I guess he took out his license and left his wallet?

Probably in case he got pulled over for speeding.

[Camp Bassfish]

They said they found his wallet in San Diego, I guess he took out his license and left his wallet?

In case he got pulled over by the po po.

[madfranks]

What if they torched an empty cabin just so they can say it's over? What if someone pretending to be Dorner keeps his facebook page alive with fake updates that he wasn't killed in the cabin?

[osoab]

I'm trying to catch up on the origins of this case. Are people here aware of Dorner's stance on gun control? This from his manifesto:

'I hope that you will realize that the small arms I utilize should not be accessed with the ease that I obtained them. Who in there right mind needs a f***ing silencer!!! who needs a freaking SBR AR15? No one. No more Virginia Tech, Columbine HS, Wisconsin temple, Aurora theatre, Portland malls, Tucson rally, Newtown Sandy Hook. Whether by executive order or thru a bi-partisan congress an assault weapons ban needs to be re-instituted. Period!!!

Mia Farrow said it best. “Gun control is no longer debatable, it’s not a conversation, its a moral mandate.” '

This part of the "Manifesto" is not part of his writing. It was added on later. TNE figured it out. See the other thread.

[midnight rambler]

What if they torched an empty cabin just so they can say it's over? What if someone pretending to be Dorner keeps his facebook page alive with fake updates that he wasn't killed in the cabin?

Then we've all been 'Sandy Hooked'.

[vacuum]

I think the fact that they burned him alive turned this whole thing from a police/criminal situation to a soldier/soldier situation.

[EE_]

I have to laugh...I've watched on TV how they are trying to understand how so many could support Dorner on Facebook, Twitter and the internet. They had a psychiatrist on trying to say people are lost in a real life movie..basically people are nuts. They were pushing that the police that were shot and died were the victims and in no way could Dorner be a victim, just a deranged criminal.

No one wants to admit, that people no longer trust the government, congress, and law enforcement. This is the real issue!
The people that run this show have lost the trust of the people and they aren't getting it back!

Why should we assume Dorner was not a victim of the corrupt LAPD...because the lying media puppets tell us different?

[Twisted Titan]

I'm trying to catch up on the origins of this case. Are people here aware of Dorner's stance on gun control? This from his manifesto:

'I hope that you will realize that the small arms I utilize should not be accessed with the ease that I obtained them. Who in there right mind needs a f***ing silencer!!! who needs a freaking SBR AR15? No one. No more Virginia Tech, Columbine HS, Wisconsin temple, Aurora theatre, Portland malls, Tucson rally, Newtown Sandy Hook. Whether by executive order or thru a bi-partisan congress an assault weapons ban needs to be re-instituted. Period!!!

Mia Farrow said it best. “Gun control is no longer debatable, it’s not a conversation, its a moral mandate.” '

If you read the entire manifesto

You could see his writting style . Very clear, intelegent and readable.

You Could tell EXACTLY where he ended his declaration and the Propergandist started

[mamboni]

This part of the "Manifesto" is not part of his writing. It was added on later. TNE figured it out. See the other thread.

Yeah, quoting Mia Farrow as a moral guide vis-a-vis gun control? That is the very definition of lame.

[Shami-Amourae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paLwO0Af3y4

[Tumbleweed]

Survival of the body's not the goal.
Rather, survival of the human soul.

I agree. From what I've read of his manifesto he saw injustice and chose the path of a warrior to right it. God will have to sort this one out.

[old steel]

4442

[midnight rambler]

4442

WTH is up with that?? ???

[vacuum]

Unless you know the source of that image I'm guessing it's fake.

[Santa]

Yeah, quoting Mia Farrow as a moral guide vis-a-vis gun control? That is the very definition of lame.

That and the sycophantic grovelling lovefest for MSN's liberal newscasters. Again, the very definition of lame.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Is this going to be a billion dollar manhunt? Is Dorner today's equivalent of John Dillinger? A focal point of widespread disgust with corrupt authority? I wish him well. I doubt that he killed anybody. I think he's being framed.


Hatha

[SilverTop]

WACO re-visited.

[willie pete]

wonder if the owner of the cabin/house has any recourse for damage done by the police?

[Dogman]

been wondering about that also, the cops burn it to the ground, they should pay out of the ass to ether rebuild (if permitted) or at least cost of replacement. Not sure if new construction is allowed in that park.

[Twisted Titan]

been wondering about that also, the cops burn it to the ground, they should pay out of the ass to ether rebuild (if permitted) or at least cost of replacement. Not sure if new construction is allowed in that park.


They will deal with the owner the same way when the Keystone Kops raid the wrong house breaking down the door any terrorizing innocent families and destroying property.

California is the Litigation Capital of the world. How many of the cases end in large or Any settelment at all for the victims

Crickets crickets.

The owner will be told to pound sand. Kinda reminds me of a twisted tag line i saw in vietnam footage:

We had to destroy the village to save it.

[joboo]

Did everyone see the shootout video yet?

How many hundreds of rounds went into that little shack?

Holy shit...

I'm surprised it was still standing.

[Dogman]

I am waiting to see how they explain the Waco tactic they pulled, so far they have been avoiding

the question.

Some reports is they did like Waco and tore into the house and then burnt it from multiple fire sources. That one audio saying multiple gas burners, positioning and such. And then reporting which ones were lit.

Just like Waco!

[gunDriller]

I have to laugh...I've watched on TV how they are trying to understand how so many could support Dorner on Facebook, Twitter and the internet. They had a psychiatrist on trying to say people are lost in a real life movie..basically people are nuts.

sounds like the psychiatrist has George Bush Syndrome. everything he says about other people applies to him.

out here in the real world, where we have compiled 1000+ police abuse-of-power incidents ... cops tasing old ladies, etc. ... and that's just my collection - Dorner was 'just' a Whistle-blower cop telling the truth about the LAPD (and maybe Riverside PD ?)

if the shrink has a hard time understanding that, perhaps if his mother got Tased he would understand ?


TPTB are trying real hard to put this incident back into the box, and to tie a nice neat little bow on it. which is a little like putting an angry bull in a cardboard box and sealing it up with duct tape.

TPTB's attempt to portray obedience to 'authority' as reasonable falls apart in about 5 seconds. just long enough so they can cut to a commercial break.


what a bunch of WEENIES !

speaking of weenies, i'm curious what Dorner put in his Bug-Out Bag when he was preparing for his assault on the Rogue Cops. Vienna Sausages ? Spam ? Summer Sausage ? he must have had something more than a microwave burrito from 7-11 :)

[willie pete]

seems to be the SOP, as was said, pyrotechnic tear gas cannisters, Waco all over again

[Serpo]

They reckon the normal tear gas didnt wok on him

[VirgilCain]

This place is generally pretty skeptical about cover stories, but for some reason someone like Dorner turns you guys into the most credulous of audiences. Why is this? Anyone who has worked within any large organization for a number of years is familiar with disgruntled employees and disgruntled points of view. None of us can possibly know, just from Dorner's account alone, what the truth is about his whistle blowing and consequent persecution. Just because he says it's true doesn't mean it is true. But this I'll give him, at least there is some philosophy behind his actions. When it comes to mass murderers the Dorners are somehow preferable to these nutcases who kill just to hurt the surrounding society before they themselves pull the plug on their pathetic failed lives, either by killing themselves outright, or disappearing forever into the prison system.

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This place is generally pretty skeptical about cover stories, but for some reason someone like Dorner turns you guys into the most credulous of audiences. Why is this? Anyone who has worked within any large organization for a number of years is familiar with disgruntled employees and disgruntled points of view. None of us can possibly know, just from Dorner's account alone, what the truth is about his whistle blowing and consequent persecution. Just because he says it's true doesn't mean it is true. But this I'll give him, at least there is some philosophy behind his actions. When it comes to mass murderers the Dorners are somehow preferable to these nutcases who kill just to hurt the surrounding society before they themselves pull the plug on their pathetic failed lives, either by killing themselves outright, or disappearing forever into the prison system.

I think they reason is that we had already reached most of his conclusions before he came along. It would be more correct to say that Dorner had reached our conclusions than to say that we believe his story.

[sirgonzo420]

This place is generally pretty skeptical about cover stories, but for some reason someone like Dorner turns you guys into the most credulous of audiences. Why is this? Anyone who has worked within any large organization for a number of years is familiar with disgruntled employees and disgruntled points of view. None of us can possibly know, just from Dorner's account alone, what the truth is about his whistle blowing and consequent persecution. Just because he says it's true doesn't mean it is true. But this I'll give him, at least there is some philosophy behind his actions. When it comes to mass murderers the Dorners are somehow preferable to these nutcases who kill just to hurt the surrounding society before they themselves pull the plug on their pathetic failed lives, either by killing themselves outright, or disappearing forever into the prison system.

We're glad to have you back, Fred.

I may not always agree with you, but I appreciate your point of view, and I hope you stay around here.

[PatColo]

I think they reason is that we had already reached most of his conclusions before he came along. It would be more correct to say that Dorner had reached our conclusions than to say that we believe his story.

reminds me of this recent essay by a writer @ Makow's- just gives words & anecdotes to what's already self evident to those who've lived a little,

Contempt for Lawyers Causing Boycott? (http://henrymakow.com/contempt-for-lawyers-causing-silent-boycott.html)

[JohnQPublic]

http://youtu.be/gAAbylq0Isk

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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/married-couple-says-christopher-dorner-tied-them-up-gagged-them.html

Dorner didn't kill the couple....and two minutes after he left, they called 911 on him. He didn't even take/destroy their cell phone.

[VirgilCain]

We're glad to have you back, Fred.

I may not always agree with you, but I appreciate your point of view, and I hope you stay around here.

Thanks Sirgonzo, Although I'm not Fred.

[VirgilCain]

I think they reason is that we had already reached most of his conclusions before he came along. It would be more correct to say that Dorner had reached our conclusions than to say that we believe his story.

The Dorner chapter is about to close so no better place to put this article than here at the end of that chapter:

The Strange Moral Compass of Christopher Dorner by Jim Goad

Chris Dorner thinks he’s a highly moral individual. A crusader for justice. A righter of wrongs. Maybe even a hero.

At least that’s the impression I get from reading the intense, sharply written, yet frequently absurd manifesto he allegedly posted on Facebook last week.

Dorner—AKA “Rambro,” “Blambo,” and “The Real Django”—continues to elude authorities as of this writing. The ex-LAPD officer and former Navy Reservist is suspected of fatally shooting a civilian couple in Irvine, CA last Sunday, a mere two days after Dorner formally left the Navy. One victim, Monica Quan, is the daughter of a retired LAPD officer who’d defended Dorner in a departmental matter. Dorner is also suspected of shooting three police officers in Riverside, CA on Thursday, killing one.

As Dorner explains it, this was all a “necessary evil.” In his manifesto, he says that the killing will continue—not only of LAPD officers, but of their children. And they made him do it. He’s not responsible.

All this killing will be justified, according to Dorner, because he once saw a fellow LAPD officer kick a schizophrenic and he once heard a pair of LAPD cops (who, judging by their surnames, were Mexicans) refuse to apologize for saying the word “nigger.”

“Beware of authority figures, active or retired, with guns in their hands.”
Dorner is a man with many grievances. His manifesto mentions incidents both in childhood and adulthood where he was either called a nigger or he heard someone use the word nigger, and both times he responded with violence. He saw and approves of the recent kill-whitey cinematic bloodfest Django Unchained. A huge part of his rapidly evolving public persona is centered on the idea of justified black rage. His case recalls that of Nkosi Thandiwe, who murdered a white woman and said his anthropology classes taught him that white people were uniquely evil and that he was trying “to spread the message of making white people mend.” It recalls that of Omar Thornton, who shot up a Connecticut beer distributor’s building in 2010 and in the process killed eight people, including “five racists.” It harks back to that of Colin Ferguson, who blew away six commuters on the Long Island Rail Road in 1993 and propped up his legal defense on the idea of black rage.

Most troubling—at least, I guess, if you’re white—is what appears to be his huge level of support among blacks. According to one Tweet, “Every black man I’ve talked to thinks Dorner is a hero!” And he may have accomplished this feat merely by running and hiding behind the word “nigger.” It’s an emotionally charged word. Nigger—that’s the trigger. Ever since the OJ Simpson murder trial, when defense lawyers successfully shifted the focus to whether or not a white cop may have once said “nigger,” saying that word is in many circles considered worse than murdering someone.

Dorner says his killing spree will also be justified because the NRA’s Wayne LaPierre didn’t show sufficient sympathy for the child victims of Sandy Hook. To achieve justice, Dorner wishes the following upon LaPierre: “May all of your immediate and distant family die horrific deaths in front of you.”

Dorner also disagrees with homophobes to the point where he wishes torture upon them: “Westboro Baptist Church, may you all burn slowly in a fire, not from smoke inhalation, but from the flames and only the flames.”

Dorner says he feels it was morally wrong for George Zimmerman to tail behind Trayvon Martin that rainy night in Florida: “Too bad Trayvon didn’t smash your skull completely open, Zim.”

When it comes to “justice,” I get the sense that Christopher Dorner leans a touch toward overkill. He recalls the famous dictum attributed to Goethe: “Beware of those in whom the urge to punish is strong.” To that I think we can safely add, “Beware of those who think they’re teaching you a moral lesson by wantonly killing people.” And also “Beware of authority figures, active or retired, with guns in their hands.”

Amid all the endless yabbering about “gun culture” in the wake of Sandy Hook, little attention is paid to the idea that military and police institutions often create, or at least enable, psychopaths who really know how to use guns. Why should we trust our government with guns when they churn out people like this nutjob?

But like a thousand other real-life mass-murdering loser loners, Dorner fancies himself a man on a moral mission: “I am here to correct and calibrate your morale [sic] compasses to true north.”

Dorner posits that police brutality must be avenged by, well, randomly killing policemen and their families. He claims his 2008 dismissal from the LAPD resulted when he accused a female partner—he made a point to note that she’s Caucasian—of kicking a schizophrenic criminal suspect in the chest and face during an arrest. The court document pertaining to the case seems to cast some doubt on Dorner’s allegations, but it’s not as if I have any skin in that game. I realize that cops can be assholes. After all, I’m from Philly.

What matters here isn’t whether or not Chris Dorner lied about seeing a white female cop kick a schizophrenic loiterer in the chest. It’s that he uses this allegation as an ethical pretext to go on a killing rampage. Throughout history, I can’t think of a horrible act where the perpetrator didn’t seem to think they were doing the right thing—the good thing. This is true for individuals and villages and nations. Sad.

The eternally moralistic leftist press has been largely silent about Dorner’s self-proclaimed political leanings and how he uses them to morally justify his actions. This is the same press that stubbornly and unethically INJECTED politics into the Gabrielle Giffords shooting (blaming it on Sarah Palin and the Tea Party although there was zero connection) and the Trayvon Martin killing (insisting it was entirely about race when there’s no evidence it had anything to do with race).

Dorner describes himself as an ardent supporter of the federal government and that his main beef is with the LAPD. He says he admires Barack and Michelle Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Dianne Feinstein, Ellen Degeneres, and apparently everyone who works for MSNBC and CNN. He seemed to name-check nearly every living human who is constantly chiding their ideological opponents for creating a “climate of hate” with their rhetoric. (To be fair, he also gives a few shout-outs to some token RINOs and said he didn’t vote the last election because Jon Huntsman wasn’t nominated. He also claims to love Charlie Sheen and Rob Zombie. He’s all over the place.)

Without apparently seeing a contradiction, he says he favors a ban on assault weapons even though says he will not hesitate to use the several he owns to murder LAPD members and their families. He says he feels the proper response to being called an unpleasant name is to hit someone. If I’m understanding this correctly, he’s an ex-cop who shoots cops dead to prove that it’s bad when cops kick people and say “nigger.”

Why, it’s almost as if he uses someone else’s misdeeds, real or imagined, as a psychological shield to justify the fact that he’s committing some rather unpleasant deeds himself. His moral universe would be a strange one if it weren’t so depressingly common.

It’s the same sort of self-righteous delusion that lurks behind such daffily infantile notions such as “karma,” “blowback,” “chickens coming home to roost,” and, yes, even “justice,” which should more honestly be called “revenge.” Two wrongs never make a right, at least if you’re one of the pitiable souls forever shackled to the eternal rules of logic.

Among certain circles—i.e., naïve white progressives and retarded black thugs—Dorner is being depicted as a hero, a Dark Knight, an avenging black angel, and a savior to the downtrodden and oppressed everywhere. Twitter hashtags such as #GoDornerGo and #WeAreAllChrisDorner have quickly emerged, as well as support/fan sites on Facebook.

Beneath all the talk of institutional racism and police brutality lurks the distinct possibility that Christopher Dorner may merely be a narcissistic jerk with a psychotically overwrought taste for vengeance. His manifesto is littered with references to his nuttily obsessive, all-consuming need to reclaim his “name,” as if any of that will matter once the SWAT team blasts his skull to pieces.

But I hope that’s not how it ends. I hope he hasn’t already frozen to death somewhere in the San Bernardino Mountains, either.

No, the most poetic thing possible would be for a well-armed civilian to take Dorner out cold.



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[osoab]

The Dorner chapter is about to close so no better place to put this article than here at the end of that chapter:

The Strange Moral Compass of Christopher Dorner by Jim Goad


I quit reading after him praising Ellen Degenerate. He has either fallen for the charade or is part of it. Married and divorced a joo too. Worked for Playboy. Wrote this, "The Redneck Manifesto" I am thinking he is another useful idiot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Goad

Here's a little more on the guy.


Recent work He wrote a comic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic) called Trucker Fags in Denial, which was originally published as a comic strip in the Portland-based publication Exotic and was published as a comic book by Fantagraphics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantagraphics) in 2004.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Goad#cite_note-HumorisDead-11)[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Goad#cite_note-SwagRag-15)[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Goad#cite_note-SG-16) The comic, written by Goad and illustrated by Jim Blanchard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Blanchard), is about two truckers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trucker) named Butch and Petey.

[VirgilCain]

I quit reading after him praising Ellen Degenerate. He has either fallen for the charade or is part of it. Married and divorced a joo too. Worked for Playboy. Wrote this, "The Redneck Manifesto" I am thinking he is another useful idiot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Goad

Here's a little more on the guy.

What did you think of the article posted here? Or did you not read it because Goad once said something nice about Ellen DeGeneres? [smile] Goad is an excellent writer overall. Right up there with Fred on Everything, but that doesn't mean everything he says, at all times, is going to agree with your own opinions.

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He might be a good writer, but it doesn't sound like he's "taken the red pill". I think that's the main thing.

In other words, just because someone is logically consistent and their conclusions logically follow, doesn't necessarily mean that what they write is relevant. Their thought process is impeccable, but misapplied.

[osoab]

What did you think of the article posted here? Or did you not read it because Goad once said something nice about Ellen DeGeneres? [smile] Goad is an excellent writer overall. Right up there with Fred on Everything, but that doesn't mean everything he says, at all times, is going to agree with your own opinions.

The name sounds familiar to me, but I think this is the first time I have read anything of him.

Seems like a loser attempting to simulate HST. Not in a mimicing manner, but in the shock value. He makes his money buy writing.


Then we have this line.


Without apparently seeing a contradiction, he says he favors a ban on assault weapons even though says he will not hesitate to use the several he owns to murder LAPD members and their families.

This is part of the "added" section of the manifesto. So this guy is either a dumb twit for believing it, purposely writing for a specific response, or on the payroll of big sis.

One might think that a guy who writes might check into the things he writes about.

The whole piece wreaks of statist propaganda.

[Santa]

What did you think of the article posted here? Or did you not read it because Goad once said something nice about Ellen DeGeneres? [smile] Goad is an excellent writer overall. Right up there with Fred on Everything, but that doesn't mean everything he says, at all times, is going to agree with your own opinions.

You and Jim Goad seem to be having difficulty accepting the fact that a large portion of Dorner's manifesto had been added to and falsified after it was posted in PDF format.

[Horn]

http://youtu.be/gAAbylq0Isk

"Its just not clear that they wanted to burn the house down intentionally"



US Police were heard on Los Angeles TV and over LAPD audio yelling to burn down fugitive ex-cop Chris Dorner’s cabin, revealing a deliberate, considered plan to torch the building in which Dorner was believed to be hiding.
*Local news channel Kcal9 has played a recording (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po9EaU7ZjxI&feature=youtu.be) in which police were heard to yell “burn this mother*****r down,” and another shouting, “f*****g burn this mother*****r,” as Dorner was barricaded inside his hideout.
The news followed an LAPD audio recording in which a police officer is heard to say, “Alright, we're gonna go ahead with the plan with the burners,” and continued, saying, “like we talked about,” as his colleague confirmed he is in agreement.

During a Wednesday press conference, the San Bernadino County Sheriff claimed that law enforcement did not "intentionally" set fire to the cabin.

http://rt.com/usa/news/burn-it-down-dorner-119/

[lapis]

"Its just not clear that they wanted to burn the house down intentionally"

Right, whatever.

It's not clear to me how his second found ID survived the "unintentional" burning:


4445

[zap]

They found his wallet with his ID in it In San Diego. Freakin pre-tenders....

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Darwin Adikia on the Christopher Dorner saga

And so it ended in bloodshed and flames on the eighth day since Christopher J. Dorner allegedly embarked on a revenge killing spree, targeting LAPD personnel and their families. It was a predictable ending and many regular people had chimed in to say as much. Very few really believed that surviving long enough to see a court room was a plausible scenario for Mr. Dorner. But for many it became wishful thinking for a handful of days. And now the mop-up begins and for the family of the dead deputy the world has just become a much darker place.

What really transpired near Big Bear Lake, CA may never be known but it will certainly be fodder for folklore and political opportunism. The spin is about to begin in earnest, although how to spin this one in any one direction is a real head-scratcher. One thing is virtually certain -- there wasn't just one set of charred remains in that burnt out cabin. Along with Dorner's there were also the charred remains of the Potyomkin village that was the new and improved public image of the police. In the eyes of many, that too went up in smoke and the stench still hangs over us.
The LAPD will be dealing with the fallout of the Dorner case for a very long time, thanks to the surreal statements by its chief and an appalling lack of professionalism and restraint by some of its officers. A reputation can take decades of painstaking efforts to build by many but can be shattered in moments by a few. Whatever gains the department has made in community relations since Ramparts and Rodney King, these have now been severely undermined yet again. How can the rank and file be expected to exercise professionalism and restraint when the leadership does not? LAPD Chief Charlie Beck called Dorner a "trained assassin", just a couple of couple of days after he told us "we trained him". If you connect Chief Beck's dots, evidently LAPD is in the business of training assassins? How splendid for the citizens of Los Angeles and the millions who visit the city! Beck didn't stop there however. "This is an act -- and make no mistake about it -- of domestic terrorism," he said. He stopped short of calling it a "Jihad" against the LAPD or the American people. Domestic terrorism? Really? A man that you had previously told us is out to get revenge against the LAPD and the LAPD only? A man who was never known to have articulated a gripe against America as a whole, its policies or way of live, and who has stated no intentions of harming anyone other than a specific group of people in an opaque organization with a blood-stained record that he believes treated him unjustly? A man who has stated absolutely nothing about politics or religion as a motivation for his grievances and actions? If this is the new criteria for labeling someone a "terrorist", then Chief Beck, you are going to need a lot more space than Camp Gitmo to warehouse the millions of Americans that would fall under your definition. Or perhaps skip straight to the crematoriums.
It is illuminating how many Americans thought that he was laying the foundation for justifying to the public the application of President Obama's infamous drone doctrine abroad within the borders of the United States. This is precisely what numerous news organizations were reporting -- Christopher J. Dorner, a decorated veteran of the United States Navy, became the first known human target for airborne drones on U.S. soil. Their use, reported MSN, was confirmed by Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Ralph DeSio, who revealed the government's fear that Dorner will make a dash for the Mexican border. That is some distinction! He was of course NOT the first known American citizen to be targeted and executed by drone strikes. Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan were killed by a missile strike in Yemen on Sept. 30, 2011, while al-Awlaki’s son, Abdulrahman, was killed in the country just weeks later on October 14, 2011. He was 16 years old. Again, he was SIXTEEN YEARS OLD. He was born in Denver, CO. During his presidential campaign, Republican Rep. Ron Paul criticized the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, saying: “Al-Awlaki was born here, he is an American citizen. He was never tried or charged for any crimes. No one knows if he killed anybody. ... But if the American people accept this blindly and casually that we now have an accepted practice of the president assassinating people who he thinks are bad guys, I think it's sad.”
If this story has proven ANYTHING in a fairly definitive way it is that despite an overwhelmingly negative portrayal of the suspect by the authorities and the media, much of the public remained more than a little skeptical. Even as the flames consumed the cabin that Dorner was holed up in, echoes of Waco, TX and other dreadful episodes in the history of American law enforcement spread over the Internet like wildfire. That in itself says volumes. Whatever the truths in this case are, these are symptoms of a very troubled and divided society and these symptoms go hand in hand with a long line of other symptoms, including the recent events in Newtown. Too many regular Americans found it hard to swallow that this was a story about some guy named Chris Dorner, a killer of four. Even before Dorner burned to death in a cabin surrounded by cops, with no fire engines anywhere near the scene, this story had already become much bigger than any one man could have ever contemplated. It had become a story about how many Americans, maybe a majority or maybe a meaningful minority, have become skeptical or outright distrusting of the authorities that are ostensibly there to protect us. Too many regular folks have come to view the ruling caste as a necessary evil, while some view it as just plain evil. These are not symptoms of a healthy nation that the President contemplated in his State of the Union Address.
The Christopher J. Dorner saga has twisted the Rubik's cube of American public opinion, revealing different angles of the recent Newtown events and the waves of public opinion and policy response that followed, and it is forcing millions of Americans to finally confront a set of issues that they were heretofore blissfully happy to ignore. Is what our leaders are doing outside of our borders using our tax dollars, including sometimes killing American citizens without an indictment, an arrest, or a trial by their peers, now becoming an American import? This operation was unprecedented in many ways in terms of its scope and the multitude of facts that had to be "managed". Not surprisingly, total control was elusive and from the beginning facts began to slip out, leading many to scratch their heads. We may have become a complacent nation, too lazy and unwilling to exercise our fundamental rights much of the time, but even our latte-sipping-reality-TV-watching "culture" has its limits. We haven't entirely lost or ability to lift our heads out of our cocoons and say "Hey, we weren't born yesterday. What the hell is going on here?!?" Not for nothing, but in the vast majority of published pictures and videos, Christopher J. Dorner had the appearance of the nicest, warmest, most gregarious and well adjusted person -- PRECISELY the kind of person that you could possibly want to show up at your door if you had to call 911. How on earth did he get from THAT to THIS?!?
Appearances can be wildly misleading, of course, and you can't judge a book by its cover. O.J. Simpson had a great smile too. But in a country where African American suspects are usually delivered to the public a-la photos like that of Willie Horton, this was really quite surprising. Even astounding. Christopher J. Dorner was no Willie Horton and he sure as hell was no Adam Lanza. The horrific nature of the Newtown story made it easy for many to embrace the official version of the lone-wolf Adam Lanza, with virtually no scrutiny of mainstream media's narrative. We were told that we know next to nothing about Lanza because there was nothing to know. That he was essentially an off-the-grid recluse. And many accepted this. Despite conflicting reports and a plethora of oddities, including a newsreel showing the police retrieving a long gun from the trunk of a car, whereas we were told that Lanza used a long gun in the slayings inside the school just before he committed suicide, the grieving public largely embraced the official story. To question it was taboo. When James Tracy, a communication professor at Florida Atlantic University, suggested in a blog post that the Sandy Hook school massacre may not have happened as reported and may have been part of a plot by the Obama administration to promote gun control, for a while it looked as if he may literally be crucified. Now, a month and a half later, we still know next to nothing about what happened in Newtown and who Adam Lanza was. Remarkably, aside from a few old grainy photos of Lanza, his mother Nancy, and his father Peter, our journalistic muckrakers have come up with nothing to document and reveal what the accused mass killer had done with his life in the twenty years that he reportedly spent on earth or in the twenty minutes that changed America. One might think we are talking about a ghost. Christopher Dorner was a very different proposition. A whole lot is known about him before he suddenly became a "murderer" and a "terrorist" and it just doesn't add up very well. Any way you cut it, this story is a hideous construct and an unflattering reflection of our society.
It would be interesting to get more detail about his Navy service. From the bits and pieces that have been reported thus far, it would seem that he served well, was honorably discharged, and that at least some part of his Navy service overlapped with his employment and/or legal battle with the LAPD. If Dorner was really such a bad apple for so many years and "could not play well with others" within a structured military hierarchy, you would think that this would have been reflected in his Navy service record. Yet, he was honorably discharged barely more than a week ago and to date we have not seen or heard any credible evidence of any red flags during his Navy years
Here is a summary of his service record released by the Navy just days ago:
Service Dates/Assignments: Arrived – Detached
- Various Reserve Units: 1 Dec 2009 – 21 Jan 2010
- Navy Reserve NAS Fallon, NV: 7 Mar 2009 – 30 Nov 2009
- *30 May 2007 – 6 Mar 2009: Gap of time where Dorner’s military assignment is undisclosed in information released by U.S. Navy
- Navy Mobilization Processing Site (NMPS) San Diego, CA: 23 Apr 2007 – 29 May 2007
- Coastal Riverine Group Two Det Bahrain: 3 Nov 2006 – 23 Apr 2007
- Coastal Riverine Group One, San Diego, CA: 10 Jul 2006 – 31 Oct 2006
- Navy Mobilization Processing Site (NMPS) San Diego, CA: 6 Jul 2006 – 10 Jul 2006
- *29 Feb 2006 – 5 July 2006: Gap of time where Dorner’s military assignment is undisclosed in information released by U.S. Navy
- Mobile Inshore Undersea Warfare Unit: 23 Jun 2004 – 28 Feb 2006
- Navy Personnel Command: 16 Jun 2004 – 22 Jun 2004
- Various Aviation Training Units: 4 Jul 2002 – 15 Jun 2004
Awards and Decorations
- National Defense Service Medal
- Iraq Campaign Medal
- Global War on Terrorism Service Medal
- Sea Service Deployment Medal
- Navy Marine Corps Overseas Service Ribbon
- Armed Forces Reserve Medal w/ “M” Device
- Rifle Marksman Ribbon
- Pistol Expert Medal
Even if every single accusation against him turns out to be true, we would be remiss to not scrutinize how a man gets on a path like this, given where he had been. Not because of Dorner but because of us. Because there are probably millions of Americans somewhere on the same path that Dorner was on ten years ago and we owe it to them and to us to ensure that they have a better outcome. What happened with Dorner does not honor America, it does not enrich the legacy that we will leave to our children.
The LAPD had "mistakenly" shot at three civilians, wounding two. We were told that Dorner ambushed two unsuspecting officers in a car, but in light of the LAPD's apparent propensity to shoot first and ask questions later, we were left to wonder whether this is indeed what transpired. And now, another shooting and more deaths and we may never know what really transpired on that mountain. For the past few days, if you are a large black man in LA, it was far from clear whether you'd be better off running into Dorner or uniformed LAPD cops looking for Dorner? And here too things had gone from the sublime to the ridiculous. The Hollywood Gossip web site reported on how at least some Los Angelinos were dealing with this very question -- a photo of a rotund African American man with a t-shirt that read "NOT CHRIS DORNER. PLEASE DO NOT SHOOT" and a photo of a pick-up truck bearing a sign that read "DON'T SHOOT! NOT DORNER. THANK YOU." There were no reports of anyone wearing t-shirts or sporting signs that read "NOT LAPD. DON'T SHOOT. THANK YOU".
This real life drama was eerily similar to Clint Eastwood's fictional plot in "The Gauntlet" and Al Pacino reality-based drama "Serpico". There are also striking parallels with Sylvester Stallone's fictional protagonist in "First Blood". We rooted for John J. Rambo, a veteran Green Beret, because we saw him as an every-man hero betrayed by the corrupt establishment. We knew the cops were lying. We knew they were the killers and we wanted him to survive and to bring the war to them. Why? Because Stallone's Rambo tapped into our insecurities about those who are supposed to protect us. They should be listening and trying to take this in and reflect. They are raising their children in this country too. They do not want to be "those guys". And the great numbers of good and decent men and women who strap on a badge and a gun every day to serve their communities do not want "those guys" to define the narrative and the public image of the lot.
We wish we could readily believe the official version of the Dorner incident, but one has to consider the source. The same source that gave us Rodney King, among others. We kind of know that police agencies lie routinely and that once they commit to a lie, they keep digging and digging until the truth is either buried or the hole caves in on them. A vivid more recent example of proven cold-blooded murder and subsequent cover-up conspiracy by active duty police is the Danziger Bridge incident in Louisiana. We wish we could be confident that the cops are SEARCHING for Dorner and intending to APPREHEND him. But there didn't seem to even be a pretense of a search, certainly not at the outset. It was billed as a "manhunt" and generally you hunt something in order to kill it. It's 2013 and we were treated to a slow-motion televised lynching by fire. The police and some other nameless and faceless men with badges are the judge, the jury and the executioner. If there are doubts as to their motives or intentions, just ask the three civilians the LAPD had already fired on. The officers' "probable cause", according to LAPD Chief Beck, is that they were "on edge".
Did any thinking person really believe that the end-game here was to apprehend Dorner and give him a trial? Was there even a serious doubt that given the choice of getting him dead or alive the cops would spare him? The lynching took place just as many had expected and the networks were thrilled to bring it live to your living rooms. Make no mistake -- the LAPD is acutely aware of the fact that public opinion can reach a flash point, just like it did during Rodney King riots, just like it did during Watts. It has been nearly twenty one years since the Rodney King riots, and for all the talk about reform in the LAPD, it would be a fool's errand to proclaim that community relations today do not bear the scars of that era and many more recent scars. We haven't seen anything on that scale in the United States in a while, but we have been treated to numerous televised images of austerity riots in Southern Europe, Western Continental Europe, and London. It's disturbing and it's ugly. No-one wants to see such a flash point reached here in the US again. No-one.
That said, however, even if we accept that the LAPD has the best of intentions here, the way it's leadership has handled the PR aspect of this reminds of the saying "The road to hell is paved with best intentions". Instead of sticking to "just the facts", the department right out off the gate embarked on a clumsy smear campaign of conjecture and spin. This, however, raised more questions and doubts than it has answered. In addition to the careless use of words like "trained assassin" and "domestic terrorist", the department announced a $1 million reward. But it wasn't until this afternoon, February 12, 2013, that the LAPD even put up information about Christopher Dorner on its home page. Instead, the LAPD's home page featured at least three photos of the mustachioed Chief Beck and an advertisement for a 2013 "Calender". The LAPD's Top 10 Most Wanted page on its Web site STILL doesn't feature Dorner. And the "Recent Additions" link on the department's site's Most Wanted page leads to a "Page Not Found". What the department did put up on its Web site is a PDF wanted poster. It doesn't really tell one anything about Dorner that hasn't already been covered in the press. It does state in bold red letters that Dorner is "CONSIDERED ARMED AND DANGEROUS" and that "Officers should use extreme caution when apprehending suspect Dorner". Remarkably, the wanted poster, approved by Assistant Chief Earl Paysinger, did not provide any contact information for the LAPD, nor does it offer any instruction to civilians on how to proceed should they spot Mr. Dorner (or "Suspect Dorner"). The poster made no mention of the $1 million reward either. The LA Times was more generous with information (including a contact phone number for tips). It reported that the LA city council had added $100,000 to the $1 million previously announced, and stated that "County supervisors in Los Angeles and Riverside counties are expected to follow suit, raising the total reward to $1.3 million." Interestingly, only one person on the current FBI Top 10 Most Wanted List has a $1 million bounty. The other nine have only $100,000 each. Evidently, Christopher Dorner was worth more in terms of bounty than nine out of ten top most wanted criminals on the FBI's list. ABC News reported that "the LAPD said at a news conference Tuesday morning that it is looking into more than 1,000 tips from the public." Is that a lot? Or was the public at large not exactly rushing to get involved? Maybe it's not really for the public. Mercury News reported that "TV's Dog the Bounty Hunter predicts $1 million reward will bring out the pros". There you go -- reality TV. It is, after all, LA. Chapman theorizes that since Dorner has not killed a new victim in the last week he may be testing LAPD, says Mercury Times. "It's like a cooling off period, like he knows they'll guard his guys for a while but will ease off with the 24/7 surveillance," Chapman said. "As a cop he'll probably wait now and make another move when he believes the LAPD is getting more lax."
So, where has the media coverage been in all this? We were told that Dorner sent a CD or a DVD to Anderson Cooper at CNN. We were told that it was "chilling" but never shown what was on the disc. What could it have been that it "chilled" Mr. Cooper? While one cannot be sure, it is fairly safe to assume that it wasn't a LaToya Jackson album. What was on it? You'd think that a man going on a suicide mission, right or wrong, would put whatever he considered to be the most important vindicating evidence on a CD to CNN. How someone in a news organization came up with the red herring of "Imagine a More Open America." is a real head-scratcher. Who has ever heard of this "common abbreviation" before? Who in America has EVER texted "OMG, LOL, LMFAO, IMOA... BRB"?!? The writing on the coin covering OBVIOSLY sais 1 M.O.A. (separated by commas), which is a shooting acronym for "Minutes of Angle" or "Minutes of Arc". Wikipedia will tell you that "1 MOA subtends approximately one inch at 100 yards, a traditional distance on target ranges." The guy sends you a two inch coin with bullet holes in it and you think it's a symbol for "Imagine a More Open America"? Really?
And where were Dorner's friends, neighbors, brothers, sisters, LAPD partner, his military unit buddies, his commanders, basketball buddies, etc? He was a United States Navy officer after all. We heard some unflattering comments from an ex-girlfriend, but come on, how objective and reliable will ANYONE's ex be? This guy is in his mid-30s and has led a pretty public life. How come we know only what the LAPD and other nameless and faceless government men are telling us? We know that he went to college and played football. Where are you, his teammates? Some are speaking out but their voices seem to not pass the screens of certain venerable news organizations. His former coach at Southern Utah University, Aaron Alford, said: "You know, I met him when I became a coach at Southern Utah University. That was 1999 and 2000. And in those two years, you know, the things you obviously are seeing on television and hearing in the news, don't -- obviously don't fit. They're ludicrous in that manner, just to think that he's gone to this level of violence and anger. But he was a good kid. You never heard anything negative. He stayed out of trouble. He had good grades. You know, we talked quite often while I was there, and you know, there was nothing to speculate that he would have this kind of issue." James Usera, now an Oregon attorney, played football with Dorner at Southern Utah University in the late 1990s and they became friends off the field. Usera told the media: "Just absolute befuddlement and shock when I learned about it this morning, and trying to piece things together and in being asked questions about what I know about Mr. Dorner, my experiences with him, and I try and think, was there any indication of this and, you know, there just isn't... My experience with Mr. Dorner was overwhelmingly positive. I never saw any indications in him that he was violent or particularly aggressive, certainly nothing that would suggest to me that he could commit the crimes with which he's been accused." Where were the others?
We've learned that more than ten years ago Dorner was featured in an Enid News & Eagle article, about two men returning a bank bag containing nearly $8,000 in cash and checks to an area church. Dorner told the News & Eagle he was raised in La Palma, Calif., by his mother. Is she still alive? Where is she as her son is the subject of a "manhunt" using military drones? He said he wanted to fly SH-60 helicopters in the Navy, according to the News & Eagle story. About returning the money, Dorner said: “I didn’t work for it, so it’s not mine. And, it was for the church. It’s not so much the integrity, but it was someone else’s money. I would hope someone would do that for me.”
Where were the black civil rights leaders and celebrities before the Big Bear Lake bonfire? Where were you, Jesse Jackson? You showed signs of life a few days ago when your son accepted a plea bargain. Where are you, Al Sharpton? Where are you, Chris Rock? We know you're alive because you were mumbling something to Congress about gun control a few days ago. Where are you Samuel L. Jackson, Denzel Washington, Will Smith, Jamie Foxx? How come none of you were out there saying "Hey, Chris Dorner, whatever you have done, you deserve a trial. Call my office. Let's arrange a peaceful surrender in front of television cameras so at least you won't be shot down in a revenge killing."? To his credit, Charlie Sheen has stepped up... sort of. In a brief taped video message aired on celebrity website TMZ, Sheen said: “Christopher Dorner, this is Charlie Sheen. You mention me in your manifesto so thank you for your kind words. I’m urging you to call me and let’s figure out together how to end this thing. Call me. I look forward to talking to you.” Of course, had the "trained assassin" and "domestic terrorist" Christopher Dorner snagged Charlie Sheen, he would have had at his disposal a weapon of mass self-destruction.
Where was California Senator Dianne Feinstein? The most aggressive advocate of sweeping changes to American gun laws who stated on the record that she would, if she could, take all guns away from American civilians. The same Senator Dianne Feinstein who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee and as such, according to The Atlantic " bears more responsibility than anyone in America for ensuring that Congress conducts vigilant oversight of President Obama's targeted killing program. " The same Senator Dianne Feinstein who is at this moment the center of a controversy after having severely understated civilian casualties from drone attacks at the Senate confirmation hearings for John Brennan's appointment to head the CIA. Well, Christopher J. Dorner wa, among other things, one of your constituents, Senator. Just days ago you were showcasing "assault-style" weapons before Congress, telling the American public that only the military and the police should have these weapons. That American civilians do not need them and should not have them. Now officials in your state have told us that a "trained assassin" and a "domestic terrorist", trained in the arts of warfare by the LAPD and the United States Navy, is armed to the teeth and was out there somewhere, evading capture for over a week despite one of the most intensive "man hunts" in this nation's history. A "manhunt" that for the first time ever is using military drones to hunt a civilian on American soil. So, this horribly dangerous and well-armed killing machine was out there, you couldn't catch him for over a week, you declared him to be of grave danger to us, regular Americans... BUT you think that we absolutely SHOULD NOT have any weapons in our homes that would give us any sort of chance of protecting our homes and families if your mythical antagonist, an accused "murderer", "terrorist" and "trained assassin", were to target us next? Would you be terribly offended if someone suggested that if everything that has been alleged about Dorner is true and if thousands of law enforcement officers armed to the teeth and using drones cannot catch him day after day, perhaps this is a really good example of why Americans SHOULD arm themselves with the most potent weapons available? Your "murderer", "domestic terrorist", and "trained assassin" happened to be six feet tall and weigh 270 pounds. And more than likely had access to ballistic body armor. But you don't want anyone to have a magazine that can hold more than ten rounds and your esteemed colleague Andrew Cuomo, the Governor of New York, has already rammed through an unconstitutional law that limits magazine capacity in New York to just seven rounds. Do you really think that this is sufficient to stop a 270 pound terminator that Dorner was made out to be? Would it shock you if the folks at your dinner table asked you to pass a high capacity magazine?

[vacuum]

Where were you, America's first bi-racial President? When on July 16, 2009, your friend Harvard University professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr., was arrested at his Cambridge, Massachusetts home by a local police officer responding to a 9-1-1 caller's report of men breaking and entering the residence, you chimed in Gates' defense. You told the Chicago Sun-Times, asked President Barack Obama "Recently, Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. was arrested at his home in Cambridge. What does that incident say to you? And what does it say about race relations in America?" Obama replied, "Now, I've – I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home. And number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there is a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately. That's just a fact." This isn't to say that you should have sprung to Dorner's defense. But this certainly is to say that when local law enforcement seems to run amok, shooting innocent civilians at random and throwing around words like "domestic terrorism", and when drones are deployed on American soil in police operations, you have a responsibility to not be missing in action. Unless of course you are skeet shooting at Camp David, in which case we totally understand. Charlie Sheen has it covered. His dad used to play the President on TV.

Maybe Dorner was every bit as bad as the LAPD says and guilty on all accounts. We wanted to see this prove it in court. We didn't want a lynching posse on a private vendetta. We didn't want the authorities to insult what little remains of our collective intelligence by expecting us to blindly accept the official version of this incident, the invocation of the word "terrorist", the historical precedent of using drones on American soil, the shootings of innocent civilians by LAPD officers who have thus far not suffered any publicly known consequences. You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time, but please don't assume that you can fool all of the people all of the time. LAPD Chief Beck announced on Saturday that the LAPD would re-examine its proceedings against Dorner. The review is "not to appease a murderer," but "to reassure the public that their police department is transparent and fair in all things we do," he said. Well Chief, having an organization with a long and sordid history re-investigate itself on allegations of corruption, racism, and character assassination, is hardly reassuring. It's actually as pointless as it is absurd. Do you REALLY think that when eventually the LAPD says that having re-examined accusations leveled against it, it really REALLY is not guilty, this will boost its credibility? Far too many Americans already believe that the LAPD is the biggest organized crime franchise in California, if not the nation. If there is a investigation to be had here, surely it must be conducted by the Justice Department and the FBI.
As for Christopher J. Dorner, the outcome was sadly predictable. Maybe he was guilty of everything that he was accused of, maybe not -- we may never know the full story. But they say a person dies twice. The first time is when his final breath leaves his body. The second time is when his name is spoken for the last time. This holds equally for very good men and for very bad men, for the saints and the Hitlers. Whoever he was and whatever he was, Christopher J. Dorner will live long past the moment when his final breath left his body and his impact on how we perceive our society and those who govern us will be discussed and debated for a very long time to come. We do ourselves and our children a terrible disservice if we all just collectively yawn, roll over, and go back to sleep.

[Tumbleweed]

I'm tired of the politicians and the cops. F.......mim all.

[Serpo]

quote....


police department is transparent and fair in all things we do

[Serpo]

LAPD a criminal enterprise{0}


LAPD High Crimes - Rupert 'I Believe Dorner 100%'
By Stephen Lendman
2-15-13



Michael Ruppert is a former LAPD cop. He knows its dark side well. He witnessed it firsthand. Its rap sheet includes corruption, abuse of power, complicity with CIA drugs trafficking, unjustified arrests, beatings, murder, perjury, witness tampering, evidence planting, frame-ups, coverups, racism, sadism, and other crimes.

It wants its dirty secrets kept hidden. They're ugly and longstanding. Many examples bear witness. In March 2000, news reports revealed LAPD Rampart Division Community Resources Against Street Hoodlums (CRASH) unit criminality.

It included unjustified arrests, beatings, drug dealing, witness intimidation, murder, evidence planting, frame-ups and perjury.

An organized criminal subculture exists. Anti-gang officers and supervisors run it. They "celebrate" shootings. They get away with murder.

Earlier LAPD criminality surfaced. Officers shot unarmed gang members, committed perjury, filed false reports, stole drugs from dealers, obstructed justice, beat, framed and robbed people, and were involved in other misconduct.

Two decades ago, Rodney King's beating made headlines. Similar ones go unnoticed. They happen ad nauseam. People of color are most vulnerable. Victims are called perpetrators. LA cops beat, kill and abuse with impunity. It's standard practice.

Ruppert commented on Christopher Dorner. He told Russia Today:

"From my own experience as a Los Angeles police Officer and deep familiarity with both LAPD culture and history, I can say that with regards to Christopher Dorner's allegations regarding internal corruption, favoritism, racism and concealment of excessive force, I believe him 100%."

"My life as an investigative journalist focusing extensively on military, paramilitary and covert operations gives me absolute certainty that this man is an extremely dangerous weapon."

"He is killing here in the United States the way too many US service members have killed routinely and with much less concern about Rules of Engagement overseas for decades."

"I am also certain that his presence on the streets and any new engagements will put stresses on huge fault lines within law enforcement agencies in Southern California."

"This man needs to be brought in alive and he needs to be heard."

He never got a chance. LAPD cops killed him. Ruppert predicted they would. They wanted him silenced. A SWAT team may have gunned him down.

They surrounded his cabin. Gas was pumped in. LAPD cops made reference to "burners." One voice said "We're going to burn him out. Another shouted "f...king burn this motherf...king house down." One more said "Seven burners were deployed and we have a fire."

Voices were loud enough for CBS affiliate KCAL 9 to broadcast them live on air. Immediately the audio feed was cut.

What happened was reminiscent of immolating Branch Davidian's Mount Carmel Waco ranch compound in 1993.

Eighty-four innocent men, women and children died. They were murdered in cold blood. Attorney General Janet Reno's special counsel whitewashed a federal investigation.

Key facts were suppressed. Wrongdoing was ignored. Atrocities passed under the radar. Washington got away with murder.

So did LAPD cops. They set Dorner's cabin ablaze. Fire department units were ordered not to respond. Dorner was incinerated. He never had a chance. Hours later his charred body was found.

He expected to die. He said so on Facebook. Different versions of his manifesto exist. It denounces dozens of LAPD cops for corruption, racism and violence.

On February 7, two Riverside police officers were shot. One died. Dorner was blamed. A massive manhunt ensued. High-tech surveillance and indiscriminate shootings followed.

Rogue cops don't apologize for wrongdoing. Dorner knew how they operated. He went public explaining it. Doing so marked him for death. LAPD officials wanted him silenced. Extrajudicial killing is policy. Dead men tell no tales.

LA police don't protect and serve. They abuse. They target suspicious suspects and people of color brutally. They use deadly force. Dorner witnessed things firsthand. His experience made him violent.

In 2007, he witnessed white training officer, Sgt. Teresa Evans, kick an unarmed/handcuffed person of color in the stomach and face.

He reported what he saw. He was fired for doing so. An LAPD Board of Rights said he lied.

Truth-telling is hazardous. He said he "saw some of the most vile things humans can inflict on others."

Enemy combatants in LA aren't citizens and suspects. They're rogue cops. LAPD's culture breeds them. The department's been that way for decades.

Brutal cops get promoted to supervisory and command positions. An officer involved in Rodney King's beating became a captain.

Who said crime doesn't pay? It does when rogue cops commit it. Many examples bear witness. On February 7, police opened fire without warning.

They fired dozens of rounds at 71-year old Emma Hernandez and her daughter Margie Carranza. They were delivering newspapers at the time.

They had no connection to Dorner. Cops claimed their vehicle matched his. So do many others.

They were put on administrative leave. Hand slap punishment at most will follow. Hernandez was shot twice in the back. She's in intensive care. Carranza had minor wounds. No one else was hit.

A Torrence police cruiser responded to LAPD's backup call. It rammed a pickup truck indiscriminately. Officers opened fire through its front window.

Fortunately the driver wasn't hit. He ducked and avoided injury. He could have been killed. Fire, ready, aim is official LAPD policy. Anyone close by is vulnerable.

Mike Davis is a political activist, urban theorist, and historian. On February 11, he headlined "Exterminating Angels."

He referenced Dorner's manifesto. It reflects "unendurable depression that descended on (him) after his" LAPD dismissal.

Sneering acronyms taunt his former comrades. Other comments extend "sentimental acknowledgments to friends. Fan notes are included. He "passionate(ly) advocate(d) gun control."

Perhaps he had LAPD cops in mind. Police criminality isn't new. It's rife in US cities and communities. It pervades them like crabgrass infests lawns.

Dorner explained "how a police Explorer Scout" went from LAPD rookie to persona non grata "for being an honest cop." He debunked notions about a kinder, gentler, more diverse LAPD.

He witnessed indiscriminate sadism, racism, corruption, extrajudicial killing, conspiracies, and other high crimes. He raged at injustice. He wanted revenge.

He began by killing a cop's daughter and fiance. Doing so doomed him. "Does anyone cheer Dorner," Davis asked? He's dead.

Stories like his have short shelf lives. Family, friends, people of conscience, and killer cops alone will remember.

Stephen Lendman lives in Chicago and can be reached at lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net.

His new book is titled "How Wall Street Fleeces America: Privatized Banking, Government Collusion and Class War"

http://www.claritypress.com/Lendman.html

Visit his blog site at sjlendman.blogspot.com and listen to cutting-edge discussions with distinguished guests on the Progressive Radio News Hour on the Progressive Radio Network Thursdays at 10AM US Central time and Saturdays and Sundays at noon. All programs are archived for easy listening.

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http://rense.com/general95/lapd-high-crimes.html

[VirgilCain]

You and Jim Goad seem to be having difficulty accepting the fact that a large portion of Dorner's manifesto had been added to and falsified after it was posted in PDF format.

I don't know about it being "a fact". I know that some guy I never heard of claimed he got an original copy off Dorner's FB page that was later added too, i.e. corrupted, but that isn't a fact. But let us accept for the sake of discussion "the fact" of manifesto doctoring. I think the original includes Dorner's comments about how he should have shot the deputy for saying "nigger", and how he suffered terribly as a black child for having been called "nigger" on various occasions, which is the central part of Goad's criticism of the man's persecution complex. Blacks don't have the right to kill people who say "nigger", although the left thinks they do. No other group has the right to kill over a verbal insult. Why should Blacks? Are they that privileged a group? Are they our absolute masters? And if the word is so transcendentally terrible, why do Blacks themselves say it all the time? Or do we have a word here that everyone but Whites get to say? And if the Whites say it, why the Black masters have a moral right, if not duty, to end their lives? Remember that the word "nigger" is Latin for black. It has a degraded sound to it, and is indeed insulting because of that, but it really doesn't have an intrinsically negative meaning, like for instance "White trash" has.

[JohnQPublic]

http://youtu.be/24IGirE-HuM

[OutDorsMan]

"Its just not clear that they wanted to burn the house down intentionally"


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[milehi]

Can't corner the Dorner.

[zap]

I had hoped Dorner was able to take his own life , lest the LAPD wouldn't be able to gloat... seems as though he did take himself out .

Authorities initially were unsure whether Christopher Dorner killed himself, had been struck by a deputy's bullet or had died in a fire.
SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. (http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?form=MSNNDL&q=San%20Bernardino,%20California,%20United%20State s) — Fugitive ex-cop Christopher Dorner killed himself as the cabin he was barricaded inside caught fire following a shootout with officers, police revealed Friday while also confirming he spent most of his time on the run in a condominium just steps away from the command center set up to find him.
"The information that we have right now seems to indicate that the wound that took Christopher Dorner's life was self-inflicted," sheriff's Capt. Kevin Lacy told reporters at a news conference.

[Hitch]

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It was also a convenient "accident" the cops shot up a truck with two hispanic ladies, who could be obviously articulated to resemble ONE large black man.

They disregarded all rules of firearm safety. Sworn officers. Let's call that an "accident".

[sirgonzo420]

It was also a convenient "accident" the cops shot up a truck with two hispanic ladies, who could be obviously articulated to resemble ONE large black man.

They disregarded all rules of firearm safety. Sworn officers. Let's call that an "accident".

They were just trying to achieve their objectives.

Objective #1 is "officer safety".

[Santa]

I don't know about it being "a fact". I know that some guy I never heard of claimed he got an original copy off Dorner's FB page that was later added too, i.e. corrupted, but that isn't a fact. But let us accept for the sake of discussion "the fact" of manifesto doctoring. I think the original includes Dorner's comments about how he should have shot the deputy for saying "nigger", and how he suffered terribly as a black child for having been called "nigger" on various occasions, which is the central part of Goad's criticism of the man's persecution complex. Blacks don't have the right to kill people who say "nigger", although the left thinks they do. No other group has the right to kill over a verbal insult. Why should Blacks? Are they that privileged a group? Are they our absolute masters? And if the word is so transcendentally terrible, why do Blacks themselves say it all the time? Or do we have a word here that everyone but Whites get to say? And if the Whites say it, why the Black masters have a moral right, if not duty, to end their lives? Remember that the word "nigger" is Latin for black. It has a degraded sound to it, and is indeed insulting because of that, but it really doesn't have an intrinsically negative meaning, like for instance "White trash" has.

Hmmm, I read Dorner's meaning as, "everyone is a nigger to LAPD gang members." And frankly, I think that mentality is running rampant, mostly due to the DHS and the Izzie Supremacist tribe that's training cops all over the US.

[Hitch]

They were just trying to achieve their objectives.

Objective #1 is "officer safety".

I disagree, that was beyond "officer safety".

You don't light up a random truck for your safety, that was to execute whom ever was inside the truck.

[sirgonzo420]

I disagree, that was beyond "officer safety".

You don't light up a random truck for your safety, that was to execute whom ever was inside the truck.

Oh I was just being facetious.

It's the most moderate reaction that I can muster to such flagrant abuse of perceived authority.

The apparent "mainstream" belief is that criminals aren't criminals if they have badges on. Herpa derp derp. Pass the fluoride!

[Hitch]

The apparent "mainstream" belief is that criminals aren't criminals if they have badges on. Herpa derp derp. Pass the fluoride!

Maybe some of us are labelled criminals because we once wore a badge...

Maybe I am the only ex LE person on this forum who wants to uphold our constitution.

Maybe I stand alone. Maybe I'm casually ignored. Maybe I'm targeted (Magnes)

Maybe I'll shut the fuck up now. I don't know. You tell me.

[PatColo]

last night's rense show, listening to this now, at least the first ~half is all dorner, 45 mins comm free,

Jeff Rense Radio Show - 2013.02.14 (http://www.grizzom.blogspot.com/2013/02/jeff-rense-radio-show-20130214.html)



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Listen (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/c7l4ie800a/rense.20130214.1of3.mp3) Download (http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/c7l4ie800a/rense.20130214.1of3.mp3) Hour 1 - Jim Kirwan (http://rense.com/www.kirwanesque.net) - The Execution Of Christopher Dorner

[Tumbleweed]

Maybe some of us are labelled criminals because we once wore a badge...

Maybe I am the only ex LE person on this forum who wants to uphold our constitution.

Maybe I stand alone. Maybe I'm casually ignored. Maybe I'm targeted (Magnes)

Maybe I'll shut the fuck up now. I don't know. You tell me.

Is that you Solid?

[sirgonzo420]

Maybe some of us are labelled criminals because we once wore a badge...

Maybe I am the only ex LE person on this forum who wants to uphold our constitution.

Maybe I stand alone. Maybe I'm casually ignored. Maybe I'm targeted (Magnes)

Maybe I'll shut the fuck up now. I don't know. You tell me.

No, you're cool. My post was of a general nature and not a personal one. By the way, Magnes is M.I.A. lately.

The point that I was making, is the sad reality that police, while wearing a badge, get away with all manner of horrible shit. If I shot up a truck with Asian women, because I thought it was some fugitive, I am inclined to suppose that I might possibly be charged with multiple felonies.

I'm glad that you escaped, and are no longer a part of that. I respect you more than many people who are lifelong non-cops.

[zap]

A bunch of folks are ass holes.. never bring in the line of site... just mouthing off mostly.

[Hitch]

The point that I was making, is the sad reality that police, while wearing a badge, get away with all manner of horrible shit. If I shot up a truck with Asian women, because I thought it was some fugitive, I am inclined to suppose that I might possibly be charged with multiple felonies.

We need a checks and balance that holds police accountable, same as you and me.

Sometimes I think I'd be great to have someone to talk to, to get things off my chest. To speak my mind and not be judged for it.

I think it would be good for me to do that, if I could find someone who'd understand.

[vacuum]

We need a checks and balance that holds police accountable, same as you and me.

Sometimes I think I'd be great to have someone to talk to, to get things off my chest. To speak my mind and not be judged for it.

I think it would be good for me to do that, if I could find someone who'd understand.

The whole law enforcement system is just totally upside-down nowadays.

The leaders in government are corrupt, and that filters down to the leaders in justice such as judges and attorney generals, which filter down to police chiefs, then sergants, then finally the general force. This atmosphere promotes and requires sociopathy, and individuals who don't participate experience prejudice.

Driving the whole thing is the flow of money. Corporate and kosher money flows into the senate to elect only the right people. They then direct the limitless flow of federal money to the state level. These federal grants only reward certain corrupt leaders, which as I mentioned cause corruption throughout all leadership. In addition, federal money flows directly to the law enforcement agencies of each state, and if they aren't behaving as desired, they get punished.

It's all about sociopathy and our monetary system creating a self-reinforcing feedback loop. The only reason it work is because citizens, all of us, allow it to operate. Police officers are especially important people who have more responsibility than the average citizen.

[PatColo]

Prof. James Tracy, who first made a splash questioning S.Hook,

February 16, 2013 (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/02/16/corporate-media-double-standard-the-dorner-rampage-and-sandy-hook-massacre/)
The Sandy Hook Massacre versus the Dorner Rampage: Corporate Media Double Standard (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/02/16/corporate-media-double-standard-the-dorner-rampage-and-sandy-hook-massacre/)


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It’s no secret that journalists working for the bulk of mainstream news outlets seek to uncover and exploit every facet of gruesome events such as ex-LAPD officer Christopher Dorner’s apparent rampage or the December 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre in Newtown Connecticut. Such routinized reporting typically involves generating grist for the 24 hour news cycle by identifying and maximizing all possible video evidence while interviewing every witness willing to speak before the camera. This is exactly how coverage of the two incidents may be distinguished.

more: http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/02/16...hook-massacre/ (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/02/16/corporate-media-double-standard-the-dorner-rampage-and-sandy-hook-massacre/)

[Horn]

Maybe I'll shut the fuck up now. I don't know. You tell me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnSHRmf3F5Y