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madfranks
13th February 2013, 06:37 AM
Thanks to MNEagle for the heads up, I'm going to buy a couple cases of the stronger stuff and put it in my preps. Maybe in 20 years a bottle of this will sell for quite the premium!

Maker's Mark defends watering down its bourbon (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/11/makers-mark-bourbon/1910773/)


Your next glass of Maker's Mark will be a little less potent, and the son of the man who founded the famous Kentucky bourbon says it's all his fault.

In an interview Monday, Bill Samuels Jr. said he failed to foresee a worldwide surge in demand for premium bourbon when he was still in charge of the brand about six years ago. As a result, Maker's Mark is being diluted to 42 percent alcohol by volume, from 45 percent, so more of the whiskey can be bottled to meet demand. That's a cut from 90 proof to 84 proof.

"I was the forecaster in chief around here. ... I must have been asleep at the wheel," Samuels said.

Samuels and his son, Maker's Mark CEO Rob Samuels, insist consumers won't notice the change when the slightly weaker bourbon hits shelves in the next few weeks. Even Maker's Mark's professional taste testers couldn't tell the difference, Rob Samuels said.

Maker's Mark, which is distilled in Loretto, Ky., announced the change in email to the brand's "ambassadors," or loyal fans, on Saturday. No changes were announced for Maker's 46, a more expensive 94-proof offshoot of the main brand that is aged longer inside barrels containing seared French oak staves for a different flavor.

Rob Samuels, who succeeded his father in 2011, said Maker's Mark's growth over the last 1.5 to 2 years, along with the broader bourbon industry, was "significantly greater than we had ever experienced as a brand."

Citing statistics from a market research firm, Samuels said sales of Maker's to consumers grew about 18 percent in 2012.

Revenues for American whiskey makers, including bourbon distillers such as Maker's Mark, were up 7 percent in 2011, driven mainly by increased sales of premium brands, according to the Distilled Spirits Council of the United States.

Maker's Mark ages in oak barrels for a minimum of 5 years and 9 months, so distillers can't simply make more of it to meet a sudden surge of demand, Rob Samuels said.

Of the limited options available — taking the whiskey out of the barrels early or buying whiskey from other suppliers — the only way to increase the supply without compromising the bourbon's taste is to add a little more water, he said.

In a letter posted on Maker's Mark website Monday, Bill Samuels said he and his son never considered raising the price of the bourbon even in the face of greater demand.

"We don't want to price Maker's Mark out of reach," he wrote. And if you're thinking a weaker drink will have a weaker price, "The value of Maker's Mark isn't set by alcohol volume," Bill Samuels said.

Rob Samuels said the change will allow Maker's Mark to boost supply by 5 to 6 percent.

Maker's Mark was acquired by Deerfield, Ill.-based Beam Inc. in 2005. But Rob Samuels, a Louisville resident, said he's still "fully accountable" for the business, and it was his idea to dilute the bourbon.

"This was our decision," he said.

Rob Samuels said the change will be permanent, and it should address any future supply shortages as the company works to make more bourbon.

In the last two years, Maker's Mark has invested $54.3 million in the Loretto facility to increase distillation and warehouse capacity, as well as make it more of a tourist attraction, according to the Kentucky Distillers Association.

Representatives of two other Kentucky premium bourbons, Woodford Reserve and Four Roses, said they have the supply to meet demand and don't plan changes to their whiskies.

Jim Rutledge, master distiller of Four Roses in Lawrenceburg, Ky., said it's like "looking into a crystal ball" for bourbon makers to forecast demand more than five years ahead.

"When you get caught short ... you can't do anything about it," he said.

Rutledge, who has been in the business more than 40 years, said he doubts the new version of Maker's Mark will taste "exactly the same" but such a small cut in the alcohol won't make "a dramatic difference."

And given that most people don't drink Maker's Mark neat, few will notice the change, according to industry experts.

"It's usually going to be in a Manhattan, an Old Fashioned, or on the rocks," said Tom Fischer, founder of bourbonblog.com and one of the "ambassadors" of Maker's Mark who got first notice of the change on Saturday.

Lew Bryson, managing editor of the industry magazine Whiskey Advocate, noted that Jack Daniel's cut the alcohol in its Tennessee whiskey nearly 10 years ago to 80 proof from 86.

"When was the last time you heard someone saying, 'I just don't drink Jack Daniel's anymore because they lowered the proof,'" he said. "It blew over."

Jack Daniel's, part of Louisville-based Brown Forman, said in 2004 that the change was made to match customer tastes, not demand.

sirgonzo420
13th February 2013, 06:41 AM
Bummer.

Kentucky still kicks ass though.


http://finedininglovers.cdn.crosscast-system.com/BlogPost/l_3801_kentucky-bourbon-.jpg

Libertytree
13th February 2013, 07:25 AM
Jack Daniels has done the same thing twice and raised the price at the same time. The Asians are willing to pay top premium for Ky bourbon and MM can't resist the profits vs keeping their integrity.

In lieu of this I suggest Four Roses 100 proof, Pappy Van Winkle 102 and Booker Noe. Enjoy!

madfranks
13th February 2013, 07:46 AM
Bummer.

Kentucky still kicks ass though.


http://finedininglovers.cdn.crosscast-system.com/BlogPost/l_3801_kentucky-bourbon-.jpg

Well yeah, when you mix water into your bourbon you can make as many barrels as you want. ;D --H H--

sirgonzo420
13th February 2013, 07:47 AM
Well yeah, when you mix water into your bourbon you can make as many barrels as you want. ;D --H H--


Inflation!

Dogman
13th February 2013, 07:48 AM
Well yeah, when you mix water into your bourbon you can make as many barrels as you want. ;D --H H--

Sell it as premixed branch water and bourbon all you need is to add ice! :)

Edit: With the right spin and packaging you can sell anything!

mamboni
13th February 2013, 08:17 AM
The honorable thing to do is to maintain the 90 proof quality and raise the price in response to the increased demand. It's all about supply and demand. If people want the best, they will pay for it. Don't cheapen the brand to gain volume - that is low class and in the long run bad for the brand.

Libertytree
13th February 2013, 08:29 AM
What they're probably doing, as did JD, is sell the watered down version to the US public and the 90 proof, original recipe to the Asian market at a much higher markup.

palani
13th February 2013, 08:41 AM
Proof that the bartender is not watering the liquor is to have him pour a little in a saucer and light it. 100 proof and higher will burn while diluted below 100 will not.

Hence the phrase "proof".

Libertytree
13th February 2013, 08:45 AM
Proof that the bartender is not watering the liquor is to have him pour a little in a saucer and light it. 100 proof and higher will burn while diluted below 100 will not.

Hence the phrase "proof".

And the bluer the flame the better!

mamboni
13th February 2013, 08:55 AM
What they're probably doing, as did JD, is sell the watered down version to the US public and the 90 proof, original recipe to the Asian market at a much higher markup.

This would be a sign of the times, of the decline of the American standard of living, when the domestics get the second rate stuff while the premium booze is bought by the foriegners.

madfranks
13th February 2013, 09:34 AM
Proof that the bartender is not watering the liquor is to have him pour a little in a saucer and light it. 100 proof and higher will burn while diluted below 100 will not.

Hence the phrase "proof".

Interesting! From Wikipedia: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_proof)


The term originated in the 18th century, when payments to British sailors included rations of rum. To ensure that the rum had not been watered down, it was "proved" by dousing gunpowder with it and then testing to see if the gunpowder would ignite. If it did not, then the rum contained too much water and was considered to be "under proof". Gunpowder would not burn in rum that contained less than approximately 57.15% ABV. Therefore, rum that contained this percentage of alcohol was defined to have "100° (one hundred degrees) proof".

Glass
13th February 2013, 02:45 PM
yes this is a bad move. It's a good Whiskey. Shame to see they are going for volume. It would be better to go for quality. Then maybe over time they would build an annual frenzy kind of thing. This happens with many super premium wines and single malts. The release date for the new batch is eagerly anticipated. People get on lists to try and secure their share and the price goes up as a result. We have bottles of red wine made down here in Aus which sell for $400 - $500 a bottle and anyone who can get one has no complaints.

Libertytree
13th February 2013, 02:59 PM
There was a time long ago that Makers was only sold in Ky and the neighboring states, that was to insure that the quality was upheld to the quantity. I grew up in Ky and in the liquor biz and I can say from experience that the newest Samuel kid is a fucking dufus, asshole.

palani
13th February 2013, 03:18 PM
We have bottles of red wine made down here in Aus which sell for $400 - $500 a bottle and anyone who can get one has no complaints.

When I was in Puerto Rico I got used to a brand of rum called Barillito. The cheap run was $.80 a bottle at the time and the more expensive Barillito was $1.80. More recently the price has gone up to $25 but it is still a good deal. It is a sipping rum (neat) and the only thing I would mix with it is lime.

Down1
17th February 2013, 12:55 PM
After backlash from customers, the producer of Maker's Mark bourbon is reversing a decision to cut the amount of alcohol in bottles of its famous whiskey.

Rob Samuels, Maker's Mark's chief operating officer, said Sunday that it is restoring the alcohol volume of its product to its historic level of 45 percent, or 90 proof. Last week, it said it was lowering the amount to 42 percent, or 84 proof, because of a supply shortage.

"We've been tremendously humbled over the last week or so," Samuels, grandson of the brand's founder, said of customers' reactions.
http://news.yahoo.com/makers-mark-restore-alcohol-content-172302004.html


http://news.yahoo.com/makers-mark-restore-alcohol-content-172302004.html

Neuro
17th February 2013, 01:34 PM
Interesting! From Wikipedia: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_proof)
Interesting that the term proof has been watered down so that 100 proof now means 50%, instead of 57.15%... 100 proof isn't proof of anything, any longer...

willie pete
17th February 2013, 01:41 PM
seems like they're just "package downsizing" (diluting) their product to increase profits, how many products now do you see that have shrunk? lots and lots....

Dogman
17th February 2013, 02:21 PM
Just in the news, they are not going to change it, seems too many people complained about it.

So it all good now!

Maker's Mark to restore alcohol content of whiskey



Maker's Mark announced it would dilute alcohol content by 3% to keep up with unanticipated demand, but customers were not happy with the sudden change.

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2013/02/17/ap-makers-mark-4_3_r536_c534.jpg?1b79b3da202957124496e3768cfb7b67 cdb10c81

(Photo: AP/Marker's Mark Distillery Inc.)

Story Highlights



Maker's Mark announced it would reduce the amount of alcohol in its whiskey
After customer dissatisfaction with the decision, the company announced it wouldn't change content
Customers said they'd rather deal with supply issues than a change in the drink



LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) — After backlash from customers, the producer of Maker's Mark bourbon is reversing a decision to cut the amount of alcohol in bottles of its famous whiskey.

Rob Samuels, Maker's Mark's chief operating officer, said Sunday that it is restoring the alcohol volume of its product to its historic level of 45%, or 90 proof. Last week, it said it was lowering the amount to 42%, or 84 proof, because of a supply shortage.

"We've been tremendously humbled over the last week or so," Samuels, grandson of the brand's founder, said of customers' reactions.

The brand known for its square bottles sealed in red wax has struggled to keep up with demand. Distribution has been squeezed, and the brand had to curtail shipments to some overseas markets.

In a tweet Sunday, the company said to its followers: "You spoke. We listened."

The change in recipe started with a shortage of the bourbon amid an ongoing expansion of the company's operations that cost tens of millions of dollars.

Maker's Mark President Bill Samuels, the founder's son, said the company focused almost exclusively on not altering the taste of the bourbon while stretching the available product and didn't consider the emotional attachment that customers have to the brand and its composition.

Bill Samuels said the company tinkered with how much water to add and keep the taste the same for about three months before making the announcement about the change Monday. It marked the first time the bourbon brand, more than a half-century old, had altered its proof or alcohol volume.

"Our focus was on the supply problem. That led to us focusing on a solution," he said. "We got it totally wrong."

Both Bill and Rob Samuels said customer reaction was immediate. Company officials heard from "thousands and thousands of consumers" that a bourbon shortage was preferable to a change in how the spirits were made, Bill Samuels said.

"They would rather put up with the occasional supply shortage than put up with any change in their hand-made bourbon," Rob Samuels said.

The change in alcohol volume called for the recipe and process to stay the same, except for a "touch more water" to be added when the whiskey comes out of the barrel for bottling, Rob Samuels said.

When production restarts Monday, those plans are off the table, Bill Samuels said.

"We really made this decision after an enormous amount of thought, and we focused on the wrong things," he said.

Maker's Mark is owned by spirits company Beam Inc., based in Deerfield, Ill. Its other brands include Jim Beam bourbon.
Maker's Mark is made at a distillery near the small town of Loretto, 45 miles south of Louisville.

The bourbon ages in barrels for at least six summers and no longer than seven years before bottling.

The supply shortage at Maker's comes amid growing demand for Kentucky bourbons in general.

Combined Kentucky bourbon and Tennessee whiskey sales from producers or suppliers to wholesalers rose 5.2% t to 16.9 million cases last year, according to the Distilled Spirits Council, a national trade association that released figures last week. Revenue shot up 7.3% to $2.2 billion, it said. Premium brands, generally made in smaller batches with heftier prices, led sales and revenue gains.
Kentucky produces 95% of the world's bourbon supply, according to the Kentucky Distillers' Association. There are 4.9 million bourbon barrels aging in Kentucky, which outnumbers the state's population.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/17/makers-mark-restore-proof/1926081/

Glass
17th February 2013, 02:31 PM
so now everyones had their say, we need to make sure we stand by our beliefs and buy up all the makers mark so there is actually a shortage. It would be a shame now if everyone stopped buying the stuff and they ended up with too much stock. It's one of the better ones out there IMO

Hitch
17th February 2013, 02:33 PM
Could this be just a clever marketing ploy, to gain attention? Perhaps they never had any intention of changing their product. Create a media stir, get folks to rush out to make sure they buy the old original batches, then look like a big hero to their loyal customers by claiming to have listened to them.

vacuum
17th February 2013, 02:33 PM
In the end, I think this whole thing got them massive publicity, so I think their sales will likely increase as a result.

Dogman
17th February 2013, 02:41 PM
In the end, I think this whole thing got them massive publicity, so I think their sales will likely increase as a result.

Oh yea, it did!

I have no doubt that their sales are going to go up, the "free" publicity and drama will make sure of that!

woodman
17th February 2013, 02:45 PM
Jim Beam works for me.

zap
17th February 2013, 09:02 PM
Whiskey is Gross, I can't and won't drink ANY EVER. Nasty shit!

woodman
18th February 2013, 02:27 AM
Whiskey is Gross, I can't and won't drink ANY EVER. Nasty shit!

It makes some pretty good drinks if you don't like it straight.

Homemade whiskey sour is pretty good.
Take 10 ice cubes and 10 oz whiskey and blend up with a 6 oz frozen can of lemonade with an egg white and 1T powdered sugar. Blend till just like a slushie. Yum.

Cebu_4_2
18th February 2013, 06:24 AM
They reversed their decision today.

mick silver
19th February 2013, 05:57 AM
they did this to drive sales up . buy jim beam if you want the real stuff

madfranks
19th February 2013, 08:21 AM
Could this be just a clever marketing ploy, to gain attention? Perhaps they never had any intention of changing their product. Create a media stir, get folks to rush out to make sure they buy the old original batches, then look like a big hero to their loyal customers by claiming to have listened to them.

Epic marketing strategy if this is the case. And it worked for me, I bought two cases of the stuff so I would have some when they changed the formula. Ha ha, so what do I do now, return them (I kept the receipt), or keep 'em as part of my preps? I think I'll keep them, it really is good whiskey.