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EE_
16th February 2013, 09:16 PM
Proposal considers collapse of U.S. and how Lone Star state would survive
Published: 1 day ago


Texas was its own nation before joining the United States, and many jokes have been made about some Texans still not recognizing that “other government” with which it now is affiliated.

But lawmakers there are drawing attention by considering a law that would have Texas review how it would respond should the U.S. government no longer be there to send federal tax revenue back to the state.

The proposal would set up a committee to study what the state gets from Washington, “the effects on the state budget if federal fiscal policy necessitates a significant reduction in or elimination of federal funding” and “a plan to address the loss of federal money.”

The plan, HB 568, has been introduced by Rep. James White, who said in a statement Texas Self-Sufficiency Act “creates a select committee to evaluate the effects of a possible reduction in or elimination of federal funding on the state budget due to federal fiscal policy.”

“Due to the fiscal dysfunction of Washington, D.C., and the fact that more than a third of our state’s budget revenue comes from the federal government, Texas needs to study what it would mean if the federal government couldn’t meet its obligations,” he said.

The plan directs the governor, lieutenant governor and other officials to assemble a committee “to analyze not only our state’s dependence on federal funds, but the impact of federal funding on Texas’ economy.”

Said White: “My district in South East Texas, for example, has a higher proportion of seniors compared to the state overall percentage. What would happen in the event the federal government eliminated the funds normally allocated to them? In the current economic climate, exacerbated by out of control spending in Washington, Texas needs to study possible responses to federal financial turmoil, and our readiness to adjust to such an event. Texans must govern Texas and Texans need to be concerned about Texas.”

On the website for the state GOP, David Bellow blogged about the idea.

“State Rep. James White has proposed a bill that will require the leaders of Texas to start crunching the numbers and figure out what Texas would look like if it had to be self sufficient … limited or no federal support … OUR OWN COUNTRY…. oops, I am getting a little ahead of myself, haha. Hey, I didn’t say secession but that certainly comes to mind when thinking about the federal government having a financial meltdown and cutting off most or all support to the states.”

Bellow asked: “What would Texas do in the event that the United States of America defaulted? It is a very real possibility that one day the massive U.S. debt will become so large and unsustainable that it causes a financial meltdown. Texas, and pretty much everyone else, would all of a sudden be faced with no more federal funds (which is really just Texas tax dollars given to the feds which is then given back to Texas). Yes, Texas is already a sovereign state, but what would we do if faced with complete sovereignty and no federal money?”

He explained: “State Representative James White is thinking ahead. He does not want to have to wait until Texas gets cut off from the federal government to determine how Texas will manage on our own. White wants to start planning now.”

WND previously reported the response of hundreds of thousands of Americans when Obama was re-elected in November.

They launched petitions expressing their desire to have their states secede from the U.S.

The move began with a petition on the White House website from Louisianans anxious to properly withdraw their state from the union. In just days, residents of all 50 states had launched similar petitions, gathering hundreds of thousands of signatures.

The petitions were ignored by the White House until Jon Carson, director of the White House Office of Public Engagement, replied.

“As much as we value a healthy debate,” he wrote, “we don’t let that debate tear us apart.”

WND was first to report when a Louisiana man began a petition on the White House’s “We the People” website, asking permission for his state to peacefully secede.

The Louisiana petition quoted from the Declaration of Independence: “‘Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government.’”

According to the guidelines of the “We the People” website, when a petition reaches 25,000 signatures, the White House must put the petition in a queue for response.

Louisiana’s petition quickly reached that threshold and was followed by similar petitions from all 50 states, several of which also topped the 25,000 mark. Texas’ petition got the signatures of tens of thousands.

“Our founding fathers established the Constitution of the United States ‘in order to form a more perfect union’ through the hard and frustrating but necessary work of self-government,” the White House said. “They enshrined in that document the right to change our national government through the power of the ballot – a right that generations of Americans have fought to secure for all. But they did not provide a right to walk away from it.

“As President Abraham Lincoln explained in his first inaugural address in 1861, ‘in contemplation of universal law and of the Constitution the Union of these States is perpetual,’” the response continued. “In the years that followed, more than 600,000 Americans died in a long and bloody civil war that vindicated the principle that the Constitution establishes a permanent union between the States. And shortly after the Civil War ended, the Supreme Court confirmed that ‘[t]he Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union composed of indestructible States.’”

However, WND columnists Walter E. Williams and Alan Keyes have both argued secession is constitutional. A column by Williams cites historical evidence from both the Founding Fathers and the Civil War era. Keyes’ argues God-given rights cannot be trumped by man-made law, Supreme Court decisions or civil war.

An online Texas history recounts Texas’ rebellion and separation from Mexico to form its own nation, with its own president, secretary of state and foreign policy, before ultimately joining the U.S.

“In a ceremony [in 1846] in front of the Capitol, President Jones gave a valedictory address, the flag of the republic was lowered, and the flag of the United States was raised.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/texas-preps-for-going-it-alone/#ekzZDg7T0fCTSMVx.99

General of Darkness
16th February 2013, 09:18 PM
But what is Texas going to do with the shit load of squatters from Mexico and South America that take more from the system than they put in?

EE_
16th February 2013, 09:28 PM
Free bus rides to Mexico.

If the Gov could no longer meet it's obligations, I wonder how far the tax money would spread around if everyone in Texas no longer paid any federal taxes?

woodman
17th February 2013, 01:30 AM
Free bus rides to Mexico.

If the Gov could no longer meet it's obligations, I wonder how far the tax money would spread around if everyone in Texas no longer paid any federal taxes?


Very good point. My guess is that Texas would be flush with money. The federal government takes much more than it gives. There would be way more prosperity without the blood sucking beast attached to every paycheck.

Seems to me that I read that Texas had written right in their agreement to join the union that it was conditional on their right to back out any time the people of the state so decided. Does any one know the truth of this?

woodman
17th February 2013, 01:47 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/15/gov-rick-perry-texas-coul_n_187490.html

According to this article from the Huffington Post, Texas didn't reserve the right to secede. From the article:

An animated Perry told the crowd at Austin City Hall -- one of three tea parties he was attending across the state -- that officials in Washington have abandoned the country's founding principles of limited government. He said the federal government is strangling Americans with taxation, spending and debt

Perry called his supporters patriots. Later, answering news reporters' questions, Perry suggested Texans might at some point get so fed up they would want to secede from the union, though he said he sees no reason why Texas should do that.
"There's a lot of different scenarios," Perry said. "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot."


He said when Texas entered the union in 1845 it was with the understanding it could pull out. However, according to the Texas State Library and Archives Commission, Texas negotiated the power to divide into four additional states at some point if it wanted to but not the right to secede.
Texas did secede in 1861, but the North's victory in the Civil War put an end to that.

Sparky
17th February 2013, 01:50 AM
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If the Gov could no longer meet it's obligations, I wonder how far the tax money would spread around if everyone in Texas no longer paid any federal taxes?

Here is federal taxes paid and federal taxes received per state. The table at the bottom shows the difference, i.e. dollars received per dollar paid. Texas is a net giver, receiving only 94 cents back per dollar. New Jersey is the biggest net giver at 61 cents back per dollar. The biggest takers are New Mexico and Mississippi, receiving twice as many dollars back as they pay out.

http://visualeconsite.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/tax.jpg

Sparky
17th February 2013, 01:55 AM
I just noticed Washington DC is not listed in the table, since it is not a state. But it would be a net taker at $5.62 received for each dollar paid, blowing away every state by a mile. Raise your hand if you think we're getting our money's worth...

mick silver
17th February 2013, 04:32 AM
thanks e e . thanks sparky for the chart , good find both of you

palani
17th February 2013, 06:53 AM
a Louisiana man began a petition on the White House’s “We the People” website, asking permission for his state to peacefully secede.

Will never happen and he ought to not even suggest it.

However the Louisiana Purchase Treaty of Cession with France guarantees certain things to inhabitants. One of these things is a state constructed according to certain principles of a specific federal constitution. In the "mean time" inhabitants are to be protected "free" . I see no advantage to join the body politic of a state not meeting all the provisions of this treaty and I see every advantage to a guarantee of free support of the same rights as U.S. citizens have without the associated expense. So the interpretation of "mean time" for me is the time we are in right now.

steyr_m
17th February 2013, 10:25 AM
I guess the author forgot that each State was it's own nation before the "Civil War"

Cebu_4_2
17th February 2013, 11:05 AM
Last time Texas was talking about secession didn't they put it on a no fly list? Shut them right up, think it was a couple years back.

Hatha Sunahara
17th February 2013, 01:17 PM
If Texas adopted the ideas of Ellen Brown and set up their own State Owned Banks, and issued their own money they wouldn't need to worry about the payments and receipts to the Feds, and the dislocations caused by disruptions on those cash flows. They could pass laws that would make it illegal for employers to withhold payroll taxes destined to be paid to the IRS. The Feds would have to find ways to unwind their entitlement payments to Texans. If they passed such a law, other states would follow suit rapidly. The dollar would collapse, but who could care, if their states issued their own money? States that secede would not require their citizens to participate in Federal programs, and would not have to enforce Federal laws. That would relieve most of the economic burden on the states, and free them to produce whatever they could, and to regulate monopolies productively, which the Feds refuse to do.

There are far more benefits now from not being bound by Federal laws than there are benefits from conforming with those federal laws. I would bet that freedom is cheaper than slavery.


Hatha

woodman
17th February 2013, 02:55 PM
If Texas adopted the ideas of Ellen Brown and set up their own State Owned Banks, and issued their own money they wouldn't need to worry about the payments and receipts to the Feds, and the dislocations caused by disruptions on those cash flows. They could pass laws that would make it illegal for employers to withhold payroll taxes destined to be paid to the IRS. The Feds would have to find ways to unwind their entitlement payments to Texans. If they passed such a law, other states would follow suit rapidly. The dollar would collapse, but who could care, if their states issued their own money? States that secede would not require their citizens to participate in Federal programs, and would not have to enforce Federal laws. That would relieve most of the economic burden on the states, and free them to produce whatever they could, and to regulate monopolies productively, which the Feds refuse to do.

There are far more benefits now from not being bound by Federal laws than there are benefits from conforming with those federal laws. I would bet that freedom is cheaper than slavery.


Hatha


Hell, If I could thank you twice for one post......

If we could just get people to wake up, even just a little bit, we could turn this thing around. Destroy the Federal Reserve and kill the income tax. We have a terrible parasitic infection and we need to find an appropriate antibiotic.

Until the people of this country start back on the road to independence and stop taking and giving into this execrable sytem we will continue down the road to communism. The federal government has done everything in it's considerable power to foster dependence of the populace. A free country cannot work that way. It is exactly the opposite of how it should be. The government should be dependent upon our largesse. It is dependent upon our compliance to it's evil askance however.