Your Surname Places You In Commerce

[palani]

My understanding is that the use of a family name (surname) places you in commerce. Given the use put to the birth certificate to create bonds this may well be true.

I haven't researched the origin of the last name but it has been suggested that the policy was created by an English king by decree in the 13th century and the surname to be used was based upon the occupation (a commercial term) of the father and thereby the family. The bible suggests that only the given name be used. I have yet to see anyone in the bible discussed who has more than one name.

I did run across this account of the execution of King Louis the XVI. Seems he must needs have a surname prior to being executed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XVI_of_France


Louis XVI was suspended and arrested as part of the insurrection of 10 August 1792 just one month before the constitutional monarchy was abolished and a republic declared. He was tried by the National Convention, found guilty of high treason, and executed by guillotine on 21 January 1793 as a desacralized French citizen known as "Citizen Louis Capet", a nickname in reference to Hugh Capet, the founder of the Capetian dynasty – which the revolutionaries interpreted as Louis' family name.

[Hatha Sunahara]

So, if my whole name is Bob, I can be thrown in jail for my indiscretions, but I can't have a bank account or a credit card?

And Jesus should have been called Jesus Carpenter, or Jesus Salvator if he wanted to start his own business? Just tells you that the Bible never envisioned multinational conglomerate businesses.

This undoubtedly is from Roman customs, where the Patrician upper class knew their family roots, and the Plebs were just mongrels coming from families where dad was Marcus and mom was Alenia, and you were Antonius, and that was all there was to it.

Makes me want to change my name to Bob just to simplify my life.


Hatha

[sirgonzo420]

So, if my whole name is Bob, I can be thrown in jail for my indiscretions, but I can't have a bank account or a credit card?

And Jesus should have been called Jesus Carpenter, or Jesus Salvator if he wanted to start his own business? Just tells you that the Bible never envisioned multinational conglomerate businesses.

This undoubtedly is from Roman customs, where the Patrician upper class knew their family roots, and the Plebs were just mongrels coming from families where dad was Marcus and mom was Alenia, and you were Antonius, and that was all there was to it.

Makes me want to change my name to Bob just to simplify my life.


Hatha


Madonna did it.

[midnight rambler]

Speaking from experience this approach is an uphill battle when dealing with hardcore systemites in the employ of the beast who are unable to fathom ANYTHING about what I'm referring to* (including not being a 14th amendment citizen). However I press on and within a couple of weeks I should be getting some feedback. We'll see if they want to carry on the battle or if they come to their senses.

*e.g. "I am John David of the House of Smith (or alternatively 'of the Smith family')."

FWIW, if one does not have the right to exercise one's right to self-determination then imo one does not have shit, and is a pile of shit owned by someone else.

[palani]

You can call yourself anything you like as long as you don't do so for fraudulent reasons. I guess what you call yourself is limited if you have been baptized in a particular name.

Several months back I went to get a certified copy of my birth certificate. My home made ID has been notarized and I use it for ID but vital statistics would not recognize it. It didn't even help to show them that I had a raised seal copy of the document I was looking for. The gal asked it I had a utility bill or mortgage to show them that I was who I said I was. I didn't win this battle to fight my way into the corporate commercial state and left with no duplicate birth certificate. I had to settle for the Sec of State issuing an apostille on my old one.

Rejected again!!!!

But think of that. The document that they said would ID me would also have placed me into commerce.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Isn't this the most absurd example of 'reification'? If you don't have a birth certificate, you don't exist? Aaaaahhahahahahah! Your paperz pleeze.


Hatha

[midnight rambler]

Isn't this the most absurd example of 'reification'? If you don't have a birth certificate, you don't exist? Aaaaahhahahahahah! Your paperz pleeze.


Hatha

How about if your state issued ID expires then YOU (your strawman) expire(s) and can no longer 'conduct business'* (i.e. operate in commerce/traffic). lol

*try making a transaction at a bank or buying a gun from a FFL with an expired state issued ID

[palani]

Isn't this the most absurd example of 'reification'? If you don't have a birth certificate, you don't exist? Aaaaahhahahahahah! Your paperz pleeze.


Hatha

The only papers I have on me are those I issue on myself.

[Glass]

You can call yourself anything you like as long as you don't do so for fraudulent reasons. I guess what you call yourself is limited if you have been baptized in a particular name.

Several months back I went to get a certified copy of my birth certificate. My home made ID has been notarized and I use it for ID but vital statistics would not recognize it. It didn't even help to show them that I had a raised seal copy of the document I was looking for. The gal asked it I had a utility bill or mortgage to show them that I was who I said I was. I didn't win this battle to fight my way into the corporate commercial state and left with no duplicate birth certificate. I had to settle for the Sec of State issuing an apostille on my old one.

Rejected again!!!!

But think of that. The document that they said would ID me would also have placed me into commerce.

I think the issue is more that the BC is valuable so they need to make sure it goes only to the person it should. That is usually someone named on the document.

You could try getting an "application" form and precompleting it, with an authority for it to be collected by a 3rd. Down here we can send a relative (sibling or aunt/uncle) to collect or purchase if they are nominated in the application.

Do they have a postal delivery service?

[palani]

I think the issue is more that the BC is valuable so they need to make sure it goes only to the person it should. That is usually someone named on the document. Must be ... Obama fights to keep his private.


You could try getting an "application" form and precompleting it, with an authority for it to be collected by a 3rd. Down here we can send a relative (sibling or aunt/uncle) to collect or purchase if they are nominated in the application.
I suspect that is possible here as well.



Do they have a postal delivery service?
http://www.idph.state.ia.us/apl/common/pdf/vital_records/application_certified_copy_vital_record.pdf

[Hatha Sunahara]

Has anyone ever heard of any fraudsters creating fake birth certificates for non-existent births and selling them as securities? Don't the banksters pay Hospitals for completing live birth certificates? Maybe it's been done and I've never heard about it. But if it hasn't been done yet, I won't be surprised to hear about it when it happens. Does there have to be any proof that the is document is reified by a living person?

Hatha

[Glass]

Has anyone ever heard of any fraudsters creating fake birth certificates for non-existent births and selling them as securities? Don't the banksters pay Hospitals for completing live birth certificates? Maybe it's been done and I've never heard about it. But if it hasn't been done yet, I won't be surprised to hear about it when it happens. Does there have to be any proof that the is document is reified by a living person?

Hatha

I think that all it needs is an "informant". Going back to the Obama BC, I believe the story was an Aunt went to Hawaii and informed them of a birth, for which a BC was issued. Of course if it's fake does that mean the process is not valid?

On mine it has a boxes for Father, Mother (plus Nee), Doctor and Informant. I do not know if any of these are mandatory other than the Informant which appears to me to be mandatory. Logically you would think a Doctors sign off would be mandatory but doctors might not be in attendence of every birth event. So I think Informant is probably the only mandatory requirement.

[midnight rambler]

I think that all it needs is an "informant". Going back to the Obama BC, I believe the story was an Aunt went to Hawaii and informed them of a birth, for which a BC was issued. Of course if it's fake does that mean the process is not valid?

On mine it has a boxes for Father, Mother (plus Nee), Doctor and Informant. I do not know if any of these are mandatory other than the Informant which appears to me to be mandatory. Logically you would think a Doctors sign off would be mandatory but doctors might not be in attendence of every birth event. So I think Informant is probably the only mandatory requirement.

Sometimes instead of 'informant' it has 'person providing information'. An informant is one who rats you out (your mother abandoned you at the port of entry). Look up 'information' in a law dictionary.

[sirgonzo420]

Has anyone ever heard of any fraudsters creating fake birth certificates for non-existent births and selling them as securities? Don't the banksters pay Hospitals for completing live birth certificates? Maybe it's been done and I've never heard about it. But if it hasn't been done yet, I won't be surprised to hear about it when it happens. Does there have to be any proof that the is document is reified by a living person?

Hatha

Little baby footprints on the original long form birth certificate...

[palani]

The whole name is 'certificate of live birth' and it is signed by both the attending physician and the registrar. After all, it takes two signatures to be called a bond. Look at any of your FRNs. They are signed by both the Treasurer and his secretary. I suppose the janitor was too busy to bother himself with signing any of these documents.

The attending signs certifying that it was a live birth. The registrar signs because he is just a nice guy. Oh, and here is what Bouvier says about a registrar


REGISTER or REGISTRAR. An officer authorized by law to keep a record called a register or registry; as the register for the probate of wills.

Welcome to the wonderful world of pre-probate.

Back to Bouvier


The probate is a judicial act, and while unimpeached, authorizes debtors of the deceased in paying the debts they owed him, to the executors although the will may, have been forged. 3 T. R. 125; see 8 East, Rep. 187. Vide Letters testamentary.

[7th trump]

The whole name is 'certificate of live birth' and it is signed by both the attending physician and the registrar. After all, it takes two signatures to be called a bond. Look at any of your FRNs. They are signed by both the Treasurer and his secretary. I suppose the janitor was too busy to bother himself with signing any of these documents.

The attending signs certifying that it was a live birth. The registrar signs because he is just a nice guy. Oh, and here is what Bouvier says about a registrar



Welcome to the wonderful world of pre-probate.

Back to Bouvier
Really?
So like any story that comes on this forum we expect a creditable source for verification.
So can you provide the associated law/s that say the "certificate of live birth" is a bond or are we just suppose to take your hearsay word as truth?
Bouvier's definition is a general definition across the board....it can apply just about anything judicial.
So please show your documentation that a certificate of live birth is "judicial".
Physicians also sign certificates of still birth......not a big deal!

Welcome to the wonderful world of "creditability".

[Glass]

The whole name is 'certificate of live birth' and it is signed by both the attending physician and the registrar. After all, it takes two signatures to be called a bond. Look at any of your FRNs. They are signed by both the Treasurer and his secretary. I suppose the janitor was too busy to bother himself with signing any of these documents.

The attending signs certifying that it was a live birth. The registrar signs because he is just a nice guy. Oh, and here is what Bouvier says about a registrar



Welcome to the wonderful world of pre-probate.

Back to Bouvier

I was contemplating the timing of the application for live Birth or whatever it is. I don't think it needs to be completed immediately. I think it can be completed some time afterwards. I recollect there were other signatures on mine. I think one was the head nurse. I don't know about the registrar. He has signed the BC but I think that occurs when the BC is created. Meaning, each and every time someone comes it to request the certificate.

[Glass]

This guy has some interesting information on Births, certificates and Situs Trusts.

Recommended viewing. Birth Certificate = Death Certificate. Very interesting angle indeed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cFykQwImGwM


This is part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJdwX_7mVhg

[palani]

So can you provide the associated law/s that say the "certificate of live birth" is a bond
1) There must be parties to a bond, an obligor and obligee
2) It must be in writing, on paper or parchment, and if it be made on other materials it is void.
3) It must be sealed [When a seal is affixed to an instrument, it makes it a specialty] [specialty signifies a writing sealed and delivered, which is given as a security for the payment of a debt, in which such debt is particularly specified.]
4) It must be delivered by the party whose bond it is [as in ... when you produce it upon demand]
5) The condition is either for the payment of money, or for the performance of something else


are we just suppose to take your hearsay word as truth?

man can find every truth connected with his being, if he will dig deep into the mine of his soul .... however I can see you are adverse to hard labor

[7th trump]

1) There must be parties to a bond, an obligor and obligee
2) It must be in writing, on paper or parchment, and if it be made on other materials it is void.
3) It must be sealed [When a seal is affixed to an instrument, it makes it a specialty] [specialty signifies a writing sealed and delivered, which is given as a security for the payment of a debt, in which such debt is particularly specified.]
4) It must be delivered by the party whose bond it is [as in ... when you produce it upon demand]
5) The condition is either for the payment of money, or for the performance of something else



man can find every truth connected with his being, if he will dig deep into the mine of his soul .... however I can see you are adverse to hard labor
Ohhhh!!!!.......I get it.
You cant reveal your creditable source because you are under contract not to say.

And just because two people sign a document doesnt mean the document is a bond.
Thats my point........you cant procure the necessary documentation to prove a live birth certificate is a negotiable bond.

You really are turning into the wacko you hang around with.

[palani]

You really are turning into the wacko you hang around with.

You choose to hang out with me. Guess that makes you a wacko (not that I wouldn't have guessed that).

Been successful banning any members lately?

[7th trump]

You choose to hang out with me. Guess that makes you a wacko (not that I wouldn't have guessed that).

Been successful banning any members lately?
Thanks for the non answer answer...............it verifies you don't have any documented proof that a live birth cert is a negotiable bond..........its all hearsay on your part.

It just goes to prove that a conspiracy minded person cant be trusted.

I dont hang out at those places you get this conspiracy bullshit from.

[palani]

it verifies you don't have any documented proof that a live birth cert is a negotiable bond..........its all hearsay on your part. I spot smoke on the horizon. It might be hearsay to suspect there is a fire beneath it.


It just goes to prove that a conspiracy minded person cant be trusted. Your lack of control of language is self-evident. We are discussing men and women and children and old folks. No discussion of person has presented itself.


I dont hang out at those places you get this conspiracy bullshit from. Don't watch the Wizard of oz? Don't watch the Matrix? Don't watch Pirates of the Caribbean? Don't watch Waterworld?

I suppose you saw tall buildings fly into stationary airplanes on 9/11. Did you actually see men walking on the moon or are you relying on hearsay? Did you actually see any blood from Sandy Hook Elementary or is this hearsay as well? Google 'Larry Allen Bell arrest' and check out his mug shot. Are those bruises on his face hearsay or did an Iowa State trooper lay some buckwheats on him after luring him out of the camera view?

[7th trump]

I spot smoke on the horizon. It might be hearsay to suspect there is a fire beneath it.

Your lack of control of language is self-evident. We are discussing men and women and children and old folks. No discussion of person has presented itself.

Don't watch the Wizard of oz? Don't watch the Matrix? Don't watch Pirates of the Caribbean? Don't watch Waterworld?

I suppose you saw tall buildings fly into stationary airplanes on 9/11. Did you actually see men walking on the moon or are you relying on hearsay? Did you actually see any blood from Sandy Hook Elementary or is this hearsay as well? Google 'Larry Allen Bell arrest' and check out his mug shot. Are those bruises on his face hearsay or did an Iowa State trooper lay some buckwheats on him after luring him out of the camera view?
You are really confused arent you Palani!
None of what you say above is viable proof/evidence that a certificate of live birth is a negotiable bond as you claim...or for that matter a bond of any kind.
So please be the legal studious person you posture yourself as with your latin legal word-salad and procure the neccessary documentation that says a "certificate of live birth" is a negotiable bond.

This isnt hard palani.....just provide the documentation before you make yourself into a fool.

[palani]

None of what you say above is viable proof/evidence that a certificate of live birth is a negotiable bond as you claim...or for that matter a bond of any kind.

Now just why do you suppose a birth record is sent to the U.S. Dept of Commerce?

Cursory reading suggests some areas of this web site are not agreeable (for example how could costs for WWI be incurred in 1913 when the U.S. was not involved in the war?) but there is some information to be gleaned ... you decide whether it is true or not.

http://www.viewzone.com/collateralx.html

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread447086/pg1

http://lfmccauley.blogspot.com/2011/04/did-u-s-federal-government-register.html

Now here is a news flash for you ... THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE DEALS IN COMMERCE. SO DOES THE CENSUS. WHY ELSE WOULD BIRTH RECORDS BE SENT TO THEM?

[Carl]

Isn't this the most absurd example of 'reification'? If you don't have a birth certificate, you don't exist? Aaaaahhahahahahah! Your paperz pleeze.


HathaI don't have a Birth Certificate. Enlisted in the Army with a waiver. Got my SS# when I was 16, my father had to go down and vouch for me.

Don't have a Driver's License either. Had one but it expired in 2002. Finally went to get a new one and even though my old DL had a number (not SS) that went all the way back to 1977 with my name, they said I had to have a Birth Certificate.

Never had a Credit Card.

[palani]

Many people misinterpret what they tell you. When they say "you must have a birth certificate to be given a drivers license" the interpretation might be " you don't need a drivers license UNLESS you have a birth certificate ".

You need to take several witnesses with you and have this rejection recorded in front of them ... have affidavits made. Record the affidavits, get certified copies and then show these to any purported peace officer who chooses to stop you while executing your right to travel.

[7th trump]

Now just why do you suppose a birth record is sent to the U.S. Dept of Commerce?

Cursory reading suggests some areas of this web site are not agreeable (for example how could costs for WWI be incurred in 1913 when the U.S. was not involved in the war?) but there is some information to be gleaned ... you decide whether it is true or not.

http://www.viewzone.com/collateralx.html

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread447086/pg1

http://lfmccauley.blogspot.com/2011/04/did-u-s-federal-government-register.html

Now here is a news flash for you ... THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE DEALS IN COMMERCE. SO DOES THE CENSUS. WHY ELSE WOULD BIRTH RECORDS BE SENT TO THEM?

Still doesnt mean a "certificate of live birth" is a negotiable bond, like you suggest to everyone here, or for that matter, any other type of bond Palani.
Heres a news flash for you Palani.
The IRS issues ssn and yet they arent in the bussiness of administering welfare benefits such as the Social Security Administration............so your example of the cert going to the dept of commerce is a.......SO WHAT BIG DEAL AS IT PROVES NOTHING TO SUPPORT YOUR THEORY THAT BIRTH CERTS MUST BE A BOND WHEN THEY END UP AT THE DEPT OF COMMERCE!

Your "commerce" example is acken to being accused of throwing the rock that lands next to you.....how stupid is that?

Again, nothing you posted above says a certificate of live birth is in fact a bond.......try again!

[palani]

Still doesnt mean a "certificate of live birth" is a negotiable bond, like you suggest to everyone here, or for that matter, any other type of bond Palani.
The commercial plane is all about bonds. It is about nothing BUT bonds. Maritime law is the law of commerce. The winner in any court action is the one with the best bond. Nothing else matters. Truth doesn't matter. I would refer any reader of this thread to Hall's Clerks Praxis. I do not refer YOU to read this because I doubt if there is much there you would be capable of understanding.






Heres a news flash for you Palani.
The IRS issues ssn and yet they arent in the bussiness of administering welfare benefits such as the Social Security Administration............so your example of the cert going to the dept of commerce is a.......SO WHAT BIG DEAL AS IT PROVES NOTHING TO SUPPORT YOUR THEORY THAT BIRTH CERTS MUST BE A BOND WHEN THEY END UP AT THE DEPT OF COMMERCE! You might piss on your foot and think that it is raining too. Helps to be at least as smart as a bucket of rocks.


Your "commerce" example is acken to being accused of throwing the rock that lands next to you.....how stupid is that? Pretty stupid I would say .. as I cannot follow your thinking or (il)logical thought processes.


Again, nothing you posted above says a certificate of live birth is in fact a bond.......try again!
You might try some tests if you are interested.

1) Presume that it is a bond and let your precious government prove to you that it is not.

2) Presume that it is not a bond and lose it. Then live your life without this document and let government prove to you that you are not deserving of the privileges this document would otherwise provide you with.

Everything is there for you to provide your own proofs. I suppose you are either not too bright or a scared little rabbit. Either way you are best not knowing for sure, don't you think? This system was constructed JUST FOR YOU!!!!

[7th trump]

The commercial plane is all about bonds. It is about nothing BUT bonds. Maritime law is the law of commerce. The winner in any court action is the one with the best bond. Nothing else matters. Truth doesn't matter. I would refer any reader of this thread to Hall's Clerks Praxis. I do not refer YOU to read this because I doubt if there is much there you would be capable of understanding.





You might piss on your foot and think that it is raining too. Helps to be at least as smart as a bucket of rocks.

Pretty stupid I would say .. as I cannot follow your thinking or (il)logical thought processes.


You might try some tests if you are interested.

1) Presume that it is a bond and let your precious government prove to you that it is not.

2) Presume that it is not a bond and lose it. Then live your life without this document and let government prove to you that you are not deserving of the privileges this document would otherwise provide you with.

Everything is there for you to provide your own proofs. I suppose you are either not too bright or a scared little rabbit. Either way you are best not knowing for sure, don't you think? This system was constructed JUST FOR YOU!!!!

Again, you absolutely provide nothing in support of a theory that a certificate of live birth is a bond....a bond of any kind for that matter.
Also while you are researching for proof that a certificate of live birth being a bond you might want to keep an eye out for proof/evidence that the commercial plane is nothing but, and about, bonds.
Now get researching Palani!

[palani]

Again, you absolutely provide nothing in support of a theory that a certificate of live birth is a bond....a bond of any kind for that matter.
Also while you are researching for proof that a certificate of live birth being a bond you might want to keep an eye out for proof/evidence that the commercial plane is nothing but, and about, bonds.
Now get researching Palani!

See ... I told you that you lacked the intelligence to even FIND Hall's Clerks Praxis. Good thing you didn't find it as it would be unintelligible to you.

[7th trump]

See ... I told you that you lacked the intelligence to even FIND Hall's Clerks Praxis. Good thing you didn't find it as it would be unintelligible to you.

Again you say absolutely nothing in support to your claim that a cert of live birth is a negotiable bond.
And you are demonstrating you have no intention of procuring the necessary facts.

[palani]

Again you say absolutely nothing in support to your claim that a cert of live birth is a negotiable bond.
And you are demonstrating you have no intention of procuring the necessary facts.

Facts are 'evil deeds'.

[7th trump]

Facts are 'evil deeds'.
Smatter palani?
Why are you changing what you say?

Facts are on the moon and irrelevant..........to now "facts are evil deeds" huh?
What ever Palani, you are all over the map that you cant even remember what you say........what a confused individual you are.
Not a biggy though.........its natural to be as confused as you are when you associate yourself with theories from confused people.
Its no wonder you need to cite latin to make yourself look unconfused and studious.

Without facts (evidence) your posturing that a certificate of live birth is a negotiable bond is totally irrelevant and baseless..............its pathetic.

This is quite simple..........just procure the documentation that certificates of live birth are negotiable bonds instead of avoiding it with childish antics........its that easy palani.

[palani]

Smatter palani?
Why are you changing what you say?

Facts are on the moon and irrelevant..........to now "facts are evil deeds" huh?
What ever Palani, you are all over the map that you cant even remember what you say........what a confused individual you are.
Not a biggy though.........its natural to be as confused as you are when you associate yourself with theories from confused people.
Its no wonder you need to cite latin to make yourself look unconfused and studious.

Without facts (evidence) your posturing that a certificate of live birth is a negotiable bond is totally irrelevant and baseless..............its pathetic.

This is quite simple..........just procure the documentation that certificates of live birth are negotiable bonds instead of avoiding it with childish antics........its that easy palani.

Glad I don't have to listen to you spout nonsense.

You have provided nothing to rebut the issue.

Are you attempting to master the art of ad hominem? Try harder.

I have worked with Deere employees in the past and have learned to make allowances for their irrational acts.

[7th trump]

Glad I don't have to listen to you spout nonsense.

You have provided nothing to rebut the issue.

Are you attempting to master the art of ad hominem? Try harder.

I have worked with Deere employees in the past and have learned to make allowances for their irrational acts.
I've been expecting this deflective diversion from you Palani.
Everyone I've encountered who claims outrageous claims always deflect or divert the direct question of procuring proof.

I don't need to counterclaim your premise Palani........I'm not the one who postured a claim without first having the evidence in support.

Irrational act huh?
All I'm asking is your evidence that you claim a certificate of live birth is a negotiable bond.
Whats irrational..........is your claim, without the necessary proof, and expecting everyone to believe you.
People ask for creditable sources when posting an article all the time here on GSUS.........so whats the difference in asking to see your evidence that a certificate of live birth is a negotiable bond?

[palani]

so whats the difference in asking to see your evidence that a certificate of live birth is a negotiable bond?

Where have I made a claim that I have evidence?

[7th trump]

Where have I made a claim that I have evidence?

Hahaha........what a typical and par for the course demonstration of deflective diversion if I have ever seen it.
I never said you had evidence...........what I said was show us any evidence/proof you might have suggesting your claim that a "cerificate of live birth" is a negotiable bond.

Hey everyone.................lets count how many times palani is going to deliberately deflect from procuring any creditable evidence that a "certificate of live birth" is a negotiable bond.

Palani is claiming that a "certificate of live birth" is a negotiable bond.......well prove it palani before your demented conspiracy minded premises demonstrates you'll beleive that trolls live under every bridge.
That David Merrill Vanpelt, who you associate yourself with palani, which the courts have deemed "incompetent" for reason of abusing his elderly mother, will be proud of you.
He to cannot procure any evidence either. You learn from the best disinformationist on the web palani, David Merrill Vanpelt.

[palani]

Hey everyone.................lets count how many times palani is going to deliberately deflect from procuring any creditable evidence that a "certificate of live birth" is a negotiable bond. I doubt if anybody cares. You type words but they don't lead anywhere. You pretty obviously live a pathetic life if throwing out dribble is your only pleasure. Have you considered getting laid?





Palani is claiming that a "certificate of live birth" is a negotiable bond.......well prove it palani before your demented conspiracy minded premises demonstrates you'll beleive that trolls live under every bridge.
That David Merrill Vanpelt, who you associate yourself with palani, which the courts have deemed "incompetent" for reason of abusing his elderly mother, will be proud of you.
He to cannot procure any evidence either. You learn from the best disinformationist on the web palani, David Merrill Vanpelt.

My My ... you sure jump around. This thread was opened on the premise that your surname places you in commerce. You have derailed this thread enough so closed it is. Go find an old house to haunt.