Why Did 'The Hobbit' Become the Most (Unjustly?) Ignored Movie of Awards Season?

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Soon, people were calling out Jackson for only thinking of different ways to squeeze people’s wallets. Why would we need so many The Hobbit movies when it was based on a single book? Comparisons were made to Twilight and Harry Potter and why wouldn’t they be made? However the vitriol that came out of blogs and Twitter would’ve made anyone think that Peter Jackson was Michael Bay. All of a sudden people seemed to have forgotten this was the man who’d made Heavenly Creatures and the wonderful The Lord of the Rings trilogy. Now he was just an evil troll trying to take down the world economy.

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/post/167782-why-did-the-hobbit-become-the-most-unjustly-ignored-movie-of-awards-/

Interesting interpretation found at GLP


The Dwarven race obviously represent the Jews. Trying to reclaim their ancestral homeland.

The Dwarves are searching for the Arkenstone (Ark of the Covenant).

The Dragon attack represents the attack of the Roman Empire on Jews and the scattering of the chosen people.

Gandalf represents the British, who help the Israelites reclaim their homeland.

The 13 Dwarves represent the 12 tribes of Israel (with Ephraim and Manasseh split into 2 tribes).

The Lonely Mountain is Mount Zion or Jerusalem - Erebor.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2095031/pg1

[General of Darkness]

Probably because there's no yoots in it.

[woodman]

I didn't know a new Hobbit movie came out. I heard it was in the works some time back. For those who watched it, was it good?

I read the Hobbit in 1970 and a couple of times since. It was a fabulous wonderland for a boy to enter.

[Libertytree]

I didn't know a new Hobbit movie came out. I heard it was in the works some time back. For those who watched it, was it good?

I read the Hobbit in 1970 and a couple of times since. It was a fabulous wonderland for a boy to enter.

It was worth the watch. I didn't see it at the theater just a pirated version so I'm sure I missed out on the movies graphics and much rated cinemography.

[Dogman]

I didn't know a new Hobbit movie came out. I heard it was in the works some time back. For those who watched it, was it good?

I read the Hobbit in 1970 and a couple of times since. It was a fabulous wonderland for a boy to enter. The trilogy was and still is one of my favorites that I revisit over and over through the years, good reads.

[Horn]

Watched it last night on the Chino bootleg (dark grainy quality).

He took some the best cinematic scenes of LOR and incorporated there,

was a cliffhanger I dugg the story better than LOR was a more straight forward presentation, less relied on fantasy.

[Cebu_4_2]

http://www.scrapetorrent.com/Search/index.php?search=hobbit&sort=seed&cat=x

[Horn]

The trilogy was and still is one of my favorites that I revisit over and over through the years, good reads.

You know the difference?

Bilbo had a choice, Frodo was just a pawn of the supernatural. :)

[woodman]

The Trilogy was a great read. I always thought they could have just had one on the eagles fly over Mt. Doom and drop the ring in. Not much of a story then.

[Dogman]

The Trilogy was a great read. I always thought they could have just had one on the eagles fly over Mt. Doom and drop the ring in. Not much of a story then. Have thought the same, but the eagles were not so much concerned with the ways of men and the other races, they were aloof to it all.

[Horn]

Have thought the same, but the eagles were not so much concerned with the ways of men and the other races, they were aloof to it all.

The Eagles claw was far too large to grasp the Ring,

this doesn't negate the use of Frodo as a blind puppet, and Sam as his homo-bi/metro sexual fantasy counterpart. :)

[Dogman]

The Eagles claw was far too large to grasp the Ring,

this doesn't negate the use of Frodo as a blind puppet, and Sam as his homo-bi/metro sexual fantasy counterpart. :)

Are you referring to the new movie? Have not seen it so I can not judge it at this time. What I am referring to is the original Books/trilogy and my take on the books and not any movies.

In that case as far as the thread title, I did stray off topic and for that I apologize. :)

[Horn]

In that case as far as the thread title, I did stray off topic and for that I apologize. :)

You're a Frodo fanboy, admit it!

[osoab]

The Eagles claw was far too large to grasp the Ring,

this doesn't negate the use of Frodo as a blind puppet, and Sam as his homo-bi/metro sexual fantasy counterpart. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKbyWSwd7hk

[Dogman]

You're a Frodo fanboy, admit it! Nope!

Just like the books better than any of the movies I have seen.

Epic!

'D

[Horn]

You osoab troll,

you leave me no choice!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x7M48o6V7Q

[Dogman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkbywswd7hk lamfao!

[Horn]

Its because Bilbo was a master of the ring. That's why.


Excuse me if this has been asked before.

From what I understand, when The Hobbit was written, little or no thought was being put into LoTR. I am curious how the following was explained using 20/20 hindsight.

Bilbo finds the ring, puts it on, and says something along the lines of "what's this! How wonderful!".

Even during his 111th birthday party, he puts it on, walks away, and takes it off with a smile as he considers how cute the prank he pulled on his guests was. Of course Bilbo is very "appreciative" of his ring and would rather keep it than lose it, but certainly no signs at all of anything evil directly related to the ring had emerged.

When Frodo first puts on the ring, everything is different. It is not just a matter of invisibility anymore. The eye of Sauron first appears. The mention of the Nazgul's ability to be drawn towards the ring comes along. It becomes a state of being you wouldn't find so cute. Right away you can tell this is not a happy, wonderful ring (even had Gandalf not warned you about it's powers). Frodo did not get even one use of his ring in the manner Bilbo did (that is to say, to pull a prank with no regrets).

What is this relationship about? Is it simply because Sauron became aware of the rings condition/location? Or was Bilbo somehow immune to these affects?

If this was explained, I missed it. Unless it is simply attributed to the fact that Sauron had begun his work again recently, and was "out of service" during Bilbo's/Gollum's ownerships, how was this explained away when first brought along? And if Sauron was "out of service" during those years, how did he return? I understand Sauron was "killed", but if there was an energy connected to the ring, why was it not there all the time?

Why could the Nazgul not be attracted to the ring when Bilbo wore it before Gollum told them "Shire, Baggins"?

Bilbo gets all the fun (and gold, hehe).

http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?7067-How-the-ring-affects-Bilbo-vs-Frodo

[woodman]

The Eagles claw was far too large to grasp the Ring,

this doesn't negate the use of Frodo as a blind puppet, and Sam as his homo-bi/metro sexual fantasy counterpart. :)

Nah, the ring could have been put in a container. Or some kind of harness the eagle could easily break with beak or claw at the opportune moment. As far as Sam and Frodo, I did always think Sam acted a bit queer especially during the travels through the lands surrounding Mordor. But this was written in simpler times when affection did not convey the sex thing automatically. Of course Samdid go on to marry Rosy. I do think Tolkein's ideas transformed during the time between writing the Hobbit and undertaking the Trilogy and probably during the writing of the trilogy which I believe took him many years. I always noted a difference in the treatment of the elves from the days of the Hobbit and the Trilogy beginning. In the Hobbit, the elves were more the merry pranksters, singing songs to tease the dwarves, but by the writing of the Trilogy they had morphed into high and mighty (royalty?) beings of profound dignity.

I read somewhere that there was a schism between Tolkien and his close freind C. S. Lewis and it involved Lewis' treatment of elves being less than dignified as Tolkien thought it should be.

[Horn]

I read somewhere that there was a schism between Tolkien and his close freind C. S. Lewis and it involved Lewis' treatment of elves being less than dignified as Tolkien thought it should be.

There's a portion in this Hobbit film of the elves giving a more or less high ground where things of neutrality could be discussed.

A Switzerland if you will,

I know what you mean though, elves in folklore were never displayed as having such an organization as they do in LOTR movies. More or less you'd happen upon a small group of them, or one as a thief somewhere. They'd never be seen coming to the aid in platoon fashion, just one or two specialists.

If there were a king he was basically just a figure head one, who lived with a small but intelligent procession. Basically an elder empire that fell in upon itself.

Ps. The Eagles could not have taken the ring, they're too BIG, and its too tiny. :)

Too much loss risk insurance involved there.

[joboo]

I saw it, it was ok. Nothing more. A bit boring even.


I wasn't ignored so much as just not held up as a triumph to the LOTR series.

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The Hobbit (film series) Movies

The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (https://www.google.co.cr/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=4TO&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=the+hobbit+an+unexpected+journey+%282012%29&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDAx8HsxKXfq6-QV5KeYlR-WkFnraIBd19QXyzLE6kWaVd1OpoBADQDU2_KwAAAA&sa=X&ei=mXEqUZnuJoH28wTT_IHIDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CCoQvBsoADAA&biw=1280&bih=807)2012

A younger and more reluctant Hobbit, Bilbo Baggins, sets out on an "unexpected journey" to the Lonely Mountain with a spirited group of Dwarves to reclaim their stolen mountain home from a dragon named Smaug.

The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug (https://www.google.co.cr/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=4TO&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1280&bih=807&q=the+hobbit+there+and+back+again+%282013%29&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAAErANT_AHvTx-gAAAAOCAMiCi9tLzA1Mm5kX3a5o9qNd97Lr8v1d1VvsfCgYaHl 7Owx1SMrAAAA&sa=X&ei=mXEqUZnuJoH28wTT_IHIDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CCsQvBsoATAA)2013

The Dwarves, Bilbo and Gandalf have successfully escaped the Misty Mountains, and Bilbo has gained the One Ring. They all continue their journey to get their gold back from the Dragon, Smaug.

The Hobbit: There and Back Again (https://www.google.co.cr/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=4TO&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1280&bih=807&q=the+hobbit+there+and+back+again+2014&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDAx8HsxKXfq6-QU5WWppx8vS9T3ptzyxy2WF0r1ZCbGKjaW7nDQBGpqJFKwAAAA&sa=X&ei=mXEqUZnuJoH28wTT_IHIDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CCwQvBsoAjAA)2014

Bilbo, Gandalf and the Dwarves are in Smaug's lair, but will they get their gold and return home safely?



The Hobbit Passes Two Lord of the Rings Movies at Box Office

Say what you will about Peter Jackson's first installment of The Hobbit, but there's no denying that the Lord of the Rings director's latest trip to Middle-earth has been a box office knockout. That was made even clearer this week when The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey surpassed two of its predecessors: The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring and The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers.

Since its debut on December 14, The Hobbit has earned $939,859,000 worldwide, according to Box Office Mojo, with foreign figures (69%) putting it over the top. Domestically, however, the prequel film is up to $293.2 million, which is still short of all three The Lord of the Rings movies.



http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/29/the-hobbit-passes-two-lord-of-the-rings-movies-at-box-office