We're all slaves until we buy our freedom.

[Hillbilly]

I have been thinking about how back in the old days if a slave won the favor of the king or his master or managed to scrounge up enough money how he could buy his freedom. Some people think that we are free today but we are not. We are slaves until we win the favor or our "Masters" either by doing their bidding or amassing enough money to buy them off. Once we do that we are now governed by a different set of rules than the average person.

The elite are able to dodge taxes, get away with rape, murder and other crimes that we would be locked up for life for. They are under a different set of rules aka they have been "freed" Even if you think you are free because you are off the grid you are still a slave and when you are captured you will be punished by being thrown into jail or being returned to your "master" (Job) For a time you can cheat the system and stay off the grid and play "runaway slave" but we are all still slaves and it sucks.


Anyway that's just something I have been thinking about, maybe some of you can add to it or something. Twisted Titan, General, Ponce?

[Glass]

The key is breaking the cycle. This takes knowledge of how things used to be. That info, as we can see if clearly being lost.

I ask people this question: If a farmer owns a cow and a bull and they have a calf. Who owns the calf? The cow and bull or the farmer?

If you are a slave and your partner is a slave and there are children, who owns those children? In American slavery, who owned the children? They were free weren't they? sarcasm there.

The other thing to ask is, if I was just born, how come I'm going to be responsioble for the debts of generations before me? Why am I obliged to pay for them or anyone for that matter?

Unlike personal debt which goes through a process called probated upon your death, the public debt or your portion of it does not expire on your expiration. At least as far as I can tell, probate is not applied on your portion of the public debt. Probate is a process whereby the estate of a person is divided up amongst claimants. These include secured creditors, unsecured creditors if your heirs are stupid and your heirs, who may be stupid or otherwise. If there is not enough estate to settle creditor claims then the process is that the debts or a portion there off are written off.

I think if probate were applied to the national debt everytime someone died, the debt would be monumentally smaller than in currently is. I could be way off the mark here on whether it's applied but it should be. Imagine if we rolled up all the people killed in the 20th century alone and probated the public debt for each of them.

Sorry, only have questions, no answers

[Shami-Amourae]

Having a lot of money is freedom.

Having no money is freedom (sometimes).

Anywhere in between: You're a slave.

[Nomoss]

You may be but I am not.

[vacuum]

I think if probate were applied to the national debt everytime someone died, the debt would be monumentally smaller than in currently is. I could be way off the mark here on whether it's applied but it should be. Imagine if we rolled up all the people killed in the 20th century alone and probated the public debt for each of them.
You know what's really amazing about this concept you have is that wars would then not be as profitable for bankers. Sure, massive loans would be taken out to finance the wars, but every single person that died in such a war would be a default on a piece of debt. There would be a lot less incentive for wars then.

[vacuum]

Having a lot of money is freedom.

Having no money is freedom (sometimes).

Anywhere in between: You're a slave.

Money represents life energy. Those who have a lot of money have a positive flow of other people's life energy into them. In that case, you are free among those whose energy flows into you, but you are still a slave to those who you feed (for rich people it will be government and banks).

So having money is kind of a freedom but a relative one which is inside of a hierarchical system as long as money is debt as it currently is.

[Twisted Titan]

Free people on guns.

Slaves dont.


Im no Slave and I can prove point with astounding clarity if need be.

[palani]

There is no money to buy freedom. The burden of proof is on he who affirms rather than he who denies. Do you see anyone going around claiming you are a slave? There is none. When you do come up with someone who claims a servitude on you then he/she must be able to actually prove that servitude. [MEN >>> Don't try this with your wife .... they will be able to wave a piece of paper called a marriage license that you VOLUNTARILY agreed to]

Yet people voluntarily submit 1040 forms every year rather then questioning the need. People work their entire lives for paper money and a bank account because they view these things as being necessary to being free. Evidently freedom in the minds of these people is being able to bend others to their will because of their excessive wealth.

So, what it comes down to is, to be free you must be willing to not enslave others.

[Hillbilly]

I think that yes there is an attitude or being or not being as slave and guns certainly protect us from over abuse and tyranny. However until we "buy" our freedom we are still held to a different set of rules and laws then the ruling elite. There is a invisible Master/Slave relationship set up in not only this country but just about every country in the world.

I think the old Mountainmen of 100 years ago were some of the last truly free people.

[govcheetos]

Some animals are more equal than others.

Some are allowed to enjoy Rights and privileges as long as they have permission from the overseer.

This is a great metaphor for the system today:

http://youtu.be/vb8Rj5xkDPk

[7th trump]

There is no money to buy freedom. The burden of proof is on he who affirms rather than he who denies. Do you see anyone going around claiming you are a slave? There is none. When you do come up with someone who claims a servitude on you then he/she must be able to actually prove that servitude. [MEN >>> Don't try this with your wife .... they will be able to wave a piece of paper called a marriage license that you VOLUNTARILY agreed to]

Yet people voluntarily submit 1040 forms every year rather then questioning the need. People work their entire lives for paper money and a bank account because they view these things as being necessary to being free. Evidently freedom in the minds of these people is being able to bend others to their will because of their excessive wealth.

So, what it comes down to is, to be free you must be willing to not enslave others.
You havent a clue about the 1040 being voluntary Palani.
Keep following that idiot David Merrill Vanpelt and his theory that fiat is the root cause of taxation on labor..........merrill will make an idiot out of you yet if you havent already done so yourself......and you have quite numberously!

The 1040 is not voluntary Palani, a fool would say an assinine comment like that!
Participating in Social Security is what causes the reporting and labeling of statutory "wages" that the 1040 is based on................Social Security is voluntary, not the requirement of filing a 1040......1040's are mandatory!

Again you havent an asshole clue about taxes or even the basic understanding of "reporting" itself.

Hey palani have ever wondered why the IRS can issue a ssn?
Ever wondered why a 1040 cannot be processed without a ssn?
They have to have reportable "wages" in order for the IRS to assess the federal income tax......but you not going to research any of the neccessary "reporting" laws as its above you to do so...........you're lazy and rather bedazzle the shit out of people to reach that level of recognition you so desire.
You dont think nor research anything do you?
NO you dont....you just rather hang out with a bunch of idiots pondering theories and hoping you arrive with something that sticks to the wall or find enough stooges to beleive in those retarded theories that the courts have repeatedly ruled as baseless!

[osoab]

Somebody pissed in your cheerios this morning.

[7th trump]

Somebody pissed in your cheerios this morning.

Nope!
Just cant really stand idiots leading the blind.

[palani]

you just rather hang out with a bunch of idiots pondering theories and hoping you arrive with something that sticks to the wall or find enough stooges to beleive in those retarded theories that the courts have repeatedly ruled as baseless!

Do I know how to press this yo-yo's buttons or what?

[palani]

Nope!
Just cant really stand idiots leading the blind.
From the viewpoint of a blind idiot?

[Hillbilly]

Some animals are more equal than others.

Some are allowed to enjoy Rights and privileges as long as they have permission from the overseer.

This is a great metaphor for the system today:

http://youtu.be/vb8Rj5xkDPk

Amazing video, this is exactly it how they convinced us we were not slaves but still are. I feel like Samuel in the video.

[Ponce]

We don't have to buy our freedom but rather "EARN" our freedom........who the hell wrote that? A BANKER?

v

[Hillbilly]

We don't have to buy our freedom but rather "EARN" our freedom........who the hell wrote that? A BANKER?

v

Hey Ponce, that is a interesting way of looking at it. I know the bankers want us to buy it because that's all they care about. Do you have any ideas on how we could go about Earning our freedom? I'm at a loss really of how to get out of this mess short of making a few billion dollars.

[7th trump]

From the viewpoint of a blind idiot?

Face it Palani.............you clearly demonstrate you havent a clue how taxes work so why are you telling them how to stop paying taxes when you dont research the laws surrounding the federal income taxes?

Why are you telling everyone that a 1040 is voluntary to file when it is not voluntary file. A 1040 is mandatory requirement to file when you participate in Social Security and earn 26usc 3121(a) "wages".

Do you understand the purpose of form W3?
Do you understand what a W3 reports and to whom?
Do you understand who collection agency is that the Social Security Administration shares the W3 info with?

If not, then you Palani shouldnt to be given legal advice that a 1040 is voluntary.
You'll get many a good folk in deep financial trouble with the government for speaking lies!

[palani]

Face it Palani.............you clearly demonstrate you havent a clue how taxes work so why are you telling them how to stop paying taxes when you dont research the laws surrounding the federal income taxes?
Let me make this perfectly clear .... IF YOU OWE TAXES THEN DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND PAY THEM.

How is that? Does that sound like I am advising people to stop paying taxes? Stop spouting nonsense long enough to learn to read and comprehend.

[messianicdruid]

"And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute [money] came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free. Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee."

The children of the Kingdom are free. We are in the world {system} but not of it. At some point we will no longer be concerned with "offending them". I believe that time is fast approaching.

[mick silver]

just mail me all your silver and i will let you all go free , that a small price to pay me for that . ps 100 0z silver

[Neuro]

just mail me all your silver and i will let you all go free , that a small price to pay me for that . ps 100 0z silver
I sense a trap, here...

[mick silver]

trap maybe .... but but you will be free

[7th trump]

Let me make this perfectly clear .... IF YOU OWE TAXES THEN DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND PAY THEM.

How is that? Does that sound like I am advising people to stop paying taxes? Stop spouting nonsense long enough to learn to read and comprehend.
Thats a good call Palani.

When people like you who don't understand how taxes are imposed and why its safe to say if you owe a tax you should pay them than rather point someone down the wrong path.

[Neuro]

trap maybe .... but but you will be free
Yeah, free from my silver no doubt!

Anyway I'll send you 30 pieces of silver, I just need you to do me one small favor, it won't cost you a thing...