Some thoughts on scary assault weapons and the gun grabbers.

[Hitch]

I don't think they will stop after they've grabbed all the assault weapons.

What I mean, is a gun is a tool. If I go into a home depot to buy a cordless drill, who's to tell me whether I need that drill or not? So, each gun I own has it's purpose. What I feel I need. I'm not going to tell the next guy, what tool he needs to protect his.

The solution is to control the runaway violence that plagues our society. If we didn't have home invasions with multiple attackers, maybe some folks wouldn't feel the need for mags containing 30 rounds. That's a personal decision. Nobody has the right to tell me, or you, what is right for our own homes, or our own safety protection. Biden recommends a double barrel shotgun. Hope he knows and has trained to reload that thing quickly, and quickly under stress of multiple attackers.

People have spoken. The shelves are bare of ammo. People are speaking we need these guns.

The TPTB's response, is you don't need scary "assault weapons". It's proven, a 12 gauge can be more deadly than an AR. Furthermore, any maniac with any gun can cause massive damage to innocent people. As the saying goes, evil will find a way.

The answer is not to take from us. The answer is to solve, and grow for a better future.

What I think? They want every gun. All of it. The assault rifles are the easiest target. After that, another school shooting with a shotgun...then shotguns will be on the radar.

They will not stop until they've got it all. Every innocent soul lost is a casualty in this war.

[midnight rambler]

Cordless drills make great torture devices.


The TPTB's response, is you don't need scary "assault weapons". It's proven, a 12 gauge can be more deadly than an AR.

In U.S. v. Miller the Supremes ruled that a shotgun is not a militia weapon and therefore not necessarily protected by the 2nd Amendment - ergo only high powered rifles are suitable militia weapons and protected by the 2nd Amendment. The goal is to trick folks into thinking that 'the people' do not actually constitute the militia.

[Hitch]

Cordless drills make great torture devices.

This is a serious thread.

You are not watching the mail, waiting for letter, to force you to turn in your guns.

I am.

If you can't add anything to make any sense of it all, fuck it.

[Hitch]

stick your head in the sand where it fits best.

They want our guns. All of them, one at a time.

[zap]

Good thing I don't own any guns. But, I think I need to buy one and get a concealed carry on it.

[Dogman]

Good thing I don't own any guns. But, I think I need to buy one and get a concealed carry on it.

Very wise thoughts!

[EE_]

Good thing I don't own any guns. But, I think I need to buy one and get a concealed carry on it.

Should we start a thread "let's help zap pick a conceal carry handgun"?

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/11/05/8-great-9mm-pocket-pistols-for-personal-defense/

http://www.best9mm.com/compact9mm.html

[midnight rambler]

stick your head in the sand where it fits best.

They want our guns. All of them, one at a time.

Get a grip. I've been active in this struggle for no less than 24 years. Gotta have perspective. The collectivists aren't getting our guns, what they want is conflict, a civil war. That's their ultimate goal, NOT confiscation.

[midnight rambler]

Should we start a thread "let's help zap pick a conceal carry handgun"?

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/11/05/8-great-9mm-pocket-pistols-for-personal-defense/

Of all those featured at that link only the S&W Shield is worth considering imo. I would suggest a Glock 27, as one can buy .357 Sig, and 9mm* aftermarket barrels for it and have the option of three different calibers should the need arise.

The 9mm round is pretty fucking worthless for true stopping power unless the ammo being used is something like Speer Gold Dot (and really the same rule of thumb applies to the .40 and .357 Sig).

*a .357 Sig uses the same mags as the .40, however if one swaps out to a 9mm barrel one needs 9mm mags

[EE_]

Of all those featured at that link only the S&W Shield is worth considering imo. I would suggest a Glock 27, as one can buy .357 Sig, and 9mm* aftermarket barrels for it and have the option of three different calibers should the need arise.

The 9mm round is pretty fucking worthless for true stopping power unless the ammo being used is something like Speer Gold Dot (and really the same rule of thumb applies to the .40 and .357 Sig).

*a .357 Sig uses the same mags as the .40, however if one swaps out to a 9mm barrel one needs 9mm mags

When using a 9mm for self defense, why would you use anything less then Corbon, Gold Dot, SXT, HST or Golden Saber +P ammo?

[woodman]

Get a grip. I've been active in this struggle for no less than 24 years. Gotta have perspective. The collectivists aren't getting our guns, what they want is conflict, a civil war. That's their ultimate goal, NOT confiscation.

It seems we are being given a really shitty choice. Either way we loose. How can we ever have any self respect if we just let them take us down without a fight? It is said that the best way to win is not to fight in the first place. Thing is, the fight has come to us. Push, push, push. I'm tired of being shoved around. Will we just aquiesce to a brutal police state? If we do, not only will we get what we deserve, but it will just keep getting worse. They will never stop. They are insane. They did this to the Soviet Union and now it is our turn. They have softened us up and tenderized us like a big peice of meat. The arrogant bastards have coerced us into wasting our energies and treasure in foriegn wars which are mere venal ventures, pure profit for them, certainly unneccessary and sure to provide a backlash and flow of fighters, rabid to take us down. Arab Spring? Our turn may be next.

I don't want to fight. I want to stay on the farm, do my work and persue my hobbies and enjoy my family.

[Mouse]

Here is one for the zap: Easy to use, good accuracy, nice price.

http://www.armslist.com/posts/1058238/california-handguns-for-sale--smith---wesson-model-19--357-magnum-357

[palani]

There is no constitutional right to breath.

There is no constitutional right to travel.

There is no constitutional right to defend yourself.

The reason is these three actions are so basic they don't even need to be mentioned. They are part of the law of nature and beyond man's legislation.

Bouvier says this of Arms

1) ARMS. Any thing that a man wears for his defence, or takes in his hands, or uses in his anger, to cast at, or strike at another.

2) ARMS, heraldry. Signs of arms, or drawings painted on shields, banners, and the like. The arms of the United States are described in the Resolution of Congress, of June 20, 1782. Vide Seal of the United States.

Believing the 2nd amendment has to do with arms of the 1st type leads to a conclusion that this clause can be modified and interpreted in such a way as to abolish your natural right to defend yourself with whatever instrument you can reach.

Believing the 2nd amendment has to do with arms of the 2nd type makes all this rhetoric related to weapons nonsense (which it is anyway) because the basic right protected by the 2nd amendment is to apply the seal of the U.S. in any court action you choose to prosecute. You go in representing the U.S. This to me sounds more fun than arguing nonsense about folding stocks, magazine capacity and other things that make no sense.

[madfranks]

I hear people all the time talk about their "second amendment rights", but I almost never hear anyone discuss their God-given, natural right to life and the defense of it.