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EE_
3rd March 2013, 05:03 PM
28 January 2013:

There are two things, out of all proposed, that would make this latest round of ‘gun control laws' successful if they can be successfully implemented, all the others are wishful thinking dream list and/ or smoke screens. These are the two the democrat has marked MUST GET: First they have to stop people from buying at gun shows and from private parties where they can avoid background checks and g0vt knowledge of the guns. The other is Mental health, they must have the ability to eliminate a persons right to be armed, on the federal level, for ‘mental incompetence.

"It's no secret that those who promote obtuse gun control want a range of controls in place to prevent the mentally-ill from acquiring weapons to facilitate violent tendencies; aside from the patently obvious objections to the rhetoric, my objection here is the widening definition of mentally-ill and its application. ...freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2982381/posts"

Using the age old technique of 'follow the money' I am going to explain, in detail, why it is that big city mayors and politicians of both parties, those who serve the democrat, want honest hard working tax payers disarmed.. Two groups. vigilante grpups in the big cities with large gang membership and with large minority populations on welfare and Born Again Christians especially those who home school.

Logic tells you that if you have a crime problem, you put more armed people on the streets. But do big city mayors, chiefs of police and politicians know this?

They do. "guns prevent many crimes from even being attempted. A 1982-83 study of prison inmates by National Institute of Justice showed that two-fifths of them had decided not to attack a victim when they found out that he or she was armed. In the 1960s the Orlando police responded to a rape epidemic by training 2,500 women to use guns. The next year rape fell 88% and burglary by 25%. ..."

But you say that was then, what about today? Do today's police, sheriffs, mayors know it today?

They do. A sheriff who released a radio ad urging Milwaukee-area residents to learn to handle firearms so they can defend themselves while waiting for police said Friday that law enforcement cutbacks have changed the way police can respond to crime. In the 30-second commercial, Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke Jr. says personal safety is no longer a spectator sport. "I need you in the game," he says. "With officers laid off and furloughed, simply calling 911 and waiting is no longer your best option," he adds. "You can beg for mercy from a violent criminal, hide under the bed, or you can fight back. ... Consider taking a certified safety course in handling a firearm so you can defend yourself until we get there."...


So, why is it that big city mayors, National and State elected office holders and so many big city chiefs of police have come out against your right to carry and own any weapon you would like to? That is the question that promoted me to start researching and the answers I found are at first going to shock you but as you ponder, keeping this in mind what Jesus said about serving two masters; "Man cannot serve two masters, he cannot serve both God and mammon, for he will either hate the one and love the other or despise the one and cherish the other, but he cannot love both at the same time." You will see the logic and the connections.

First let me ask you to keep a few things in mind;

In the last election there were inner city precincts where Obama got in excess of 98% of the vote.

In those same communities black and other minority gangs ‘provided security' at the polls.

In those same communities black gangs have a close working relationship with ‘community organizers/get out the vote and voter registration gatherers'.

In those same communities there is a high number of ‘gang related shootings'.

Now keep in mind what I was looking for was a money trail, who was giving politicians their life blood, the thing the love almost as much as power, money. "Their money can buy the best politicians, the best cops, the best judges, whatever they need they just throw down stacks of cash and it is theirs! "

And while there is a kind of money trail showing the money drug dealers put into candidates coffers and pockets, for the most part, the drug dealers, that have the big money, are to smart, their politician buying, judge and police buying is to hard to draw a clear line to.

BUT, the other thing politicians crave, as members of the Fabian Society, is power. How does he or she get power? By getting elected and reelected. What does that take? Votes! Votes that are legitimate or illegitimate, from voters who are alive or dead, from voters who cast one, two or even more votes per person, all that matters is the numbers of votes, how they are gotten is not important, winning is all that counts.

Now to explaining what is the goal of this latest gun grab Fabian Society socialism at all cost. Let us start with the term we so often hear on the nightly propaganda hour, for yes folks, it is not news, for it is delivered in such a sway as to influence your thinking, not to give you the facts allowing you decide for yourself.

All to often, especially if you live in one of the big cites, you will hear this term used ‘gang related shootings'. Now when you hear that term, what do you think of?; what comes to mind? Don't you picture a little kid shot by gangs, caught in a cross fire or maybe a stray bullet from the gun of a drive by gang style shooting? Or maybe you picture the carnage left after two or more rival gangs have had a shoot out? or maybe a person shot down by gangs because they were a good ‘community activist trying to clean up his or her neighborhood'. Well in some cases you would be right, but not all, not by a far cry.

Gang related shooting is defined as any shooting where a known or suspected gang member is involved. This would of course involve two or more gangs having a shoot out and any and all casualties from it, as it would include deaths from drive by shootings, retaliatory shootings, etc. BUT, it also includes a fair number of vigilante sniper killings.

This folks is what is happening in the inner cities, it is what Obama is attempting to stop with item # 6 of his 23 item executive order . "Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers." This EO would stop the sale of privately held guns to other private parties without them going through a licensed gun dealer complete with background checks of the seller and the buyer.

This is what Obama and the big city mayors are worried about, it is what they are trying to stop. What is going on and growing in the inner cities is this: Men, mostly black men, who are hard working family men with either US Army or US Marine Corps experience, all of which have graduated from boot camp and as such been taught to and required to demonstrate their proficiency in hitting a man sized target, in the kill zone, at 300 meters and beyond. These men, who have had enough of police corruption and inactivity, tired of judges turning gang members loose time after time, tired of lying cheating politicians paying lip service to cleaning up their neighborhoods, have had enough. They have started taking things into their own hands. They are taking a field trip out of the city and into the country side of their states and neighboring states, they are buying weapons from private parties, and bringing them home with enough ammo to get the job done. they are killing gang members using the sniper tactics they were taught in the service.

These are not crazed killers, these are men whose 13 year old daughters can't walk home from school without being sexually assaulted, verbally or physically, from the middle school down the street. Men who have had their wife assaulted on the streets in front of their homes, men whose homes have been broken into, they are men whose cars have been broken into, men whose sons are recruited and threatened by gangs while "the cops, the jduges, the paid politica hacks look the other way".

These men are forming two, three, and four man groups, as one goes out the others are 100% absolute alibis. The one that goes out, shoots and kills a gang member, takes the gang members valuables and weapons, then, takes the drugs, and dumps them down the sewers, then he quietly disappears. These men are making a difference in the big inner cities, but they are also hurting the voting corruption needed for the local, state, and national politicians to win time after time. They are doing this by disrupting gang activity, the very same gangs that provide security for the community organizers as they are ‘getting registrations for voters', the same gangs that provide security at the voting places ensuring obama 98% plus. The same gangs that, it appears, are obama's recruiting grounds for his private civilian force or men and women as well funded and armed as the US Military.

While running for the presidency, in 2008, Barack Obama made a mysterious and bizarre campaign promise. He said that as president he would create "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the U.S. military, to advance his "objectives" for America.
The astonishing announcement, made July 2, 2008, to an audience in Colorado Springs, was ignored by virtually the entire media – except WND. Nobody bothered to ask Obama specifically what he meant, or how he could possibly assemble and fund such a massive civilian army, or why – and he never spoke of it again. While this report is about union members, there is no way he can get the scum needed by going only to unions. They have to come from the gangs as well.

So how does the democrat help the gangs without appearing to help the gangs? By disarming the men who are upcoming vigilantes, by preventing them from getting guns, by stopping private sales of guns.

The second group targeted by the democrat are Christians. Christian home scholled children are the intellect of the nation, they are the ones who know about the Constituion, that ahve read John Stormers books, the ones who know ans udnerstand what the three branches of g0vt are to do. this makes them despised. How will Christians be disarmed and worse? Well this is done using obama's second most ‘have to get' part of his unconsitutional 23 item EO.

Numbers: 2-5, 16-18, and 20-23 all have to do with mental qualifications.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

Now on the surface you are probably looking at the above and asking yourself, what could be wrong with keeping guns out of the hands of mentally deranged men and women? The answer is in the definition of mentally incompetent.

Follow along with me here as we follow a young home schooling pastor through his annual physical exam.

Doctor: Well good morning Pastor how are we feeling today?
Pastor: Well fine doctor and you?
Doctor, while Pastor strip down to his birthday suit: wonderful, now tell me how is the home schooling going?
Pastor: Oh fine ....
Doctor several minutes later: Now Pastor I have to ask you these questions, it is a federal requirement in order for your insurance to pay, do you have any guns in your home?
Pastor, why yes, as you know I love to hunt, my family loves that deer I get each year.




So, as you can see, all this gun control malacky is geared to stopping the two groups that are hindering the democrat from taking over completely. Men who are actually doing something to end the gang control of inner cites and Born Again Christians especially those who are home schooling.

Let me, as I close, go a bit further, as all we who have served in the military know, "Fighting a war can be both fun and addictive. If you can work behind the enemy's lines in a small four man outfit isolated from command needing permission from no one, with no one above the rank of fire team leader, and when all four members of the team are close friends, war can be fun, profitable, and addictive. It is hard to bring those men back under control." These gun grabbing politicians know and fear that they too might soon become targets. They have to act fast, maybe as soon as the end of February, for they know that is only a matter of time before small groups target them and their pocket books both for gain and to end the corruption in their neighborhoods, aka Country.



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22 January 2013 An open letter to the fools who have brought up more gun control.

In the USA there are about 330,000,000 men, women and children. Of that number, some 100,000,000 either have guns or have direct and immediate access to them/guns. Of that 100,000,000, there are many who will abide by whatever the g0vernment orders, but there are also 4% or so that will resist. That is 4,000,000 armed, some heavily armed, resisters or rebels if you will.

Think about what you have done. You have taken a group of 4,000, 000 armed and angry men and made them your personal enemies; Yes, your personal enemies. You do not have the Secret Service to protect you. You do not have the Capital Police to protect you. You don't even have guns to protect yourself and you have made it pretty near impossible to get any guns that you can use for protection.

Let me explain to you what is going to happen, unless you, yes you, can convince your gun grabbing lackeys in the oval office, the body politic, and the courts to not only drop the idea of more gun control but reverse all, yes that's right, all existing gun control laws dating back to 1930.

Civil unrest:. Civil unrest will interfere with commerce, public transportation, schools, courts, police activity, etc. Civil unrest will result in targeted deaths of politicians, police, judges, media personalities, and others, targeted rightfully or not, who are declared by whomever to be enemies of the Republic. Do you think that a minimum of 4,000,000 armed men, some heavily armed, are simply going to do nothing after you and your flunkies who declare them to be criminals?

Do you think they are going to sit calmly by when they find they cannot take their kid to a doc for fear of being grilled about gun ownership?

Do you think they are going to sit idly by as they are forced to lie about gun ownership on the tax forms, and other official g0vt documents?

You have pushed them too far. They, like a spring, can not be pushed back any further before striking out. You are a fool. If I were you, and I thank God He never made me so stupid, I would roll back every law going back as far as 1860. I would do whatever I had to do to prevent civil unrest, knowing that now the number wanting to revolt is growing every single day. Knowing that with the first shot, a torrent will be released, a torrent the police cannot suppress. Aand even if they could, outside of easily starved out cites they will not risk life, limb, and family to suppress their fellow countrymen. Many police and military will mutiny. Have you considered that? Let me let you in on another little known fact., Fighting a war can be both fun and addictive., If you can work behind the enemy's lines in a small four man outfit isolated from command needing permission from no one, with no one above the rank of fire team leader, and when all four members of the team are close friends, war can be fun and addictive. It is hard to bring those men back under control.

Now, while I am not an artist, let me paint a little picture for you so that you can see what you have started. For you are the ones who started it and you are the only ones that can prevent it. There is not one militia leader, not one preacher, not one gun rights advocate alive than can stop the tide that is swelling, not one, not one group. You have started a massive tide of resentment, fright, and spine stiffening resolve.

Farmer by day, warrior by night. Cop by night, warrior by day.

The Constitution/Freedom haters' attacks on the Second Amendment is the catalysts for a rebellion. What will it look like? How will it be fought?

You do not have to be a historian to know how to win the rebellion that may have already started. You don't have to study how the founding fathers beat the British, for the Viet Cong used exactly the same techniques. They were common working folk during the day and warriors at night. They formed into small local groups that had larger group and regional ties, but for the most part acted independently, setting their own targets and schedules. But they were working to achieve the regional agenda, the goal of independence.

Now, I know they were communist, and I know that this time the g0vt are the communist, but they fought to the point where the United States of America surrendered. I am no way suggesting we become communist. That is the g0vt we are rebelling against. Do we go head to head in the streets? No., Look at Syria., Do you think the g0vt of barak hussien obama is going to play any less viciously? No, we will not go head to head., What we will do is learn from the two recent fights where large armies, the US and the Russians, had to surrender; Vietnam and Afghanistan.

The Cong drove the US to the surrender table by being workers by day and warriors by night. The Afgans beat the Russians out of their country by exactly the same methods. Where did their leaders learn these methods? They did study history and they followed the basic principals of our founding fathers; they were farmers and shop keepers by day and warriors by night. They, our founding fathers, took a little time off from planting and, hiding behind trees, ambushed the enemy, then took off like smart fellows to return to their chores, blend in with the people, and to fight another day.

You see, US freedom fighters, rebels if you will, are not going to put on uniforms., They are not going to fight the military of obama, the UN, and God only knows who else obama will bring in, head to head in the streets. No, they are going to be as invisible as possible: the gal who serves them coffee at the local caféé; the guy who fills their tanks with gas, checks their oil and laughs at their jokes; they are the ones that at night look thru the scope of a .308. Others will be using the .50 Cal. This is going to be a long fight. Freedom, God willing and with His help, will win., But we want the infrastructure to remain so that after it is almost over, focus can be on building a federation of states., This federation will have no central command and a Constitution that learns from the mistakes that have been made in this Republic... a federation that does not shield politician... a federation that makes it the death penalty for corrupt politicians.

You liberal linguine -spined leftists have started this. There is no reason the rebels should compromise. You have started it and more and more each day are committing to finishing it. You and only you can get your lackeys in g0vernment to reverse enough laws to prevent the oncoming rebellion. Where are you going to get your food? Where are you going to get your fuel for heat? Where are you going to work? Where are you going to run? How are you going to fight back?

Face it..., you pushed to hard..., you messed up. Now surrender. Admit defeat, and work to calm those 4,000,000 down. Just don't wait too long. Start today.



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You may never see this in either the Bridgton News or the Advertise Democrat, but as of noon January 5, 2013 it was emailed to them both as a letter to the editor.

An Open Letter to:
Senator Angus King
Senator Susan Collins,
Representative Chellie Pingree
Representative Michael Michaud

Dear Member of Congress;

I have read the proposed new gun law being put forth by Senator Feinstien, I think it is important for you to understand that I consider this nothing more than a way to take from me, by force perhaps, my legally owned property. If you, as my representatives in Washington, vote for this, and if it passes, and if it comes to fruition that anyone comes for my guns, I will hold you personably responsible.

Fienstiens legislation is clearly unconstitutional, you have sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution, The few guns I own are mine legally, they are not slaves that can be taken with the stroke of a pen as done in the civil war, they are inanimate objects that were legally purchased and I will not tolerate their being removed from my possession.

Let me close by quoting from a friend:

“ What you’ll see in the rebellion Written By: Bob Owens - Dec• 28•12

Let me explain, gun grabbers, how your confiscatory fantasy plays out. Let us imagine for a moment that a sweeping gun control bill similar to the one currently suggested is passed by the House and Senate, and signed into law by a contemptuous President.

Perhaps 50-100 million firearms currently owned by law-abiding citizens will become contraband with the stroke of a pen. Citizens will either register their firearms, or turn them in to agents of the federal government, or risk becoming criminals themselves. Faced with this choice, millions will indeed register their arms. Perhaps as many will claim they’ve sold their arms, or had them stolen. Suppose that as many as 200-250 million weapons of other types will go unregistered.

Tens of millions of Americans will refuse to comply with an order that is clearly a violation of the explicit intent of the Second Amendment. Among the most ardent opposing these measures will be military veterans, active duty servicemen, and local law enforcement officers. Many of these individuals will refuse to carry out what they view as Constitutionally illegal orders. Perhaps 40-50 million citizens will view such a law as treason. Perhaps ten percent of those, 4-5 million, would support a rebellion in some way, and maybe 40,000-100,000 Americans will form small independently-functioning active resistance cells, or become lone-wolves.

They will be leaderless, stateless, difficult to track, and considering the number of military veterans that would likely be among their number, extremely skilled at sabotage, assassination, and ambush.

After a number of carefully-planned, highly-publicized, and successful raids by the government, one or more will invariably end “badly.” Whether innocents are gunned down, a city block is burned to ash, or especially fierce resistance leads to a disastrously failed raid doesn’t particularly matter. What matters is that when illusion of the government’s invincibility and infallibility is broken, the hunters will become the hunted.

Unnamed citizens and federal agents will be the first to die, and they will die by the dozens and maybe hundreds, but famous politicians will soon join them in a spate of revenge killings, many of which will go unsolved.

Ironically, while the gun grab was intended to keep citizens from preserving their liberties with medium-powered weapons, it completely ignored the longer-ranged rifles perfect for shooting at ranges far beyond what a security detail can protect, and suppressed .22LR weapons proven deadly in urban sniping in Europe and Asia.

While the Secret Service will be able to protect the President in the White House, he will not dare leave his gilded cage except in carefully controlled circumstances. Even then he will be forced to move like a criminal. He will never be seen outdoors in public again. Not in this country.

The 535 members of the House and Senate in both parties that allowed such a law to pass would largely be on their own; the Secret Service is too small to protect all of them and their families, the Capitol Police too unskilled, and competent private security not particularly interested in working against their own best interests at any price. The elites will be steadily whittled down, and if they can not be reached directly, the targets will become their staffers, spouses, children, and grandchildren. Grandstanding media figures loyal to the regime would die in droves, executed as enemies of the Republic.

You can expect congressional staffs to disintegrate with just a few shootings, and expect elected officials themselves to resign well before a quarter of their number are eliminated, leaving us with a boxed-in executive, his cabinet loyalists trapped in the same win, die, or flee the country circumstance, military regime loyalists, and whatever State Governors who desire to risk their necks as well.

Here, the President will doubtlessly order the activation of National Guard units and the regular military to impose martial law, setting the largest and most powerful military in the world against its own people. Unfortunately, the tighter the President clinches his tyrannical fist, the more rebels he makes.

Military commands and federal agencies will be whittled down as servicemen and agents will desert or defect. Some may leave as individuals, others may join the Rebellion in squad and larger-sized units with all their weapons, tactics, skills, and insider intelligence. The regime will be unable to trust its own people, and because they cannot trust them, they will lose more in a vicious cycle of collapse.

Some of these defectors will be true “operators,” with the skills and background to turn ragtag militia cells into the kind of forces that decimate loyalist troops, allowing them no rest and no respite, striking them when they are away from their most potent weapons. Military vehicles are formidable, but they are thirsty beasts, in terms of fuel, ammo, time, and maintenance. Tanks and bombers are formidable only when they have gas, guns, and can be maintained. In a war without a front, logistics are incredibly easy to destroy, and mechanics and supply clerks are not particularly adept at defending themselves.

Eventually, the government will turn upon itself. The President will be captured or perhaps killed by his own protectors. A dictatorship will form in the vacuum.

If we’re lucky, the United States of America, or whatever amalgam results, will again try to rebuild. If we’re very lucky, the victors will reinstate the Constitution as the law of the land. Just as likely though, we’ll face fractious civil wars fought over issues we’ve not begun to fathom, and a much diminished state or states will result, perhaps guided by foreign interests.

It will not be pretty. There will be no “winners,” and perhaps hundreds of thousands to millions of dead.

Yet, this is the future we face if the power-mad among us are not soundly defeated at the ballot box before they affect more “change” than we, the People, are willing to surrender to would-be tyrants.” End Bob Ownes quote.

Members of Congress; As an Honorably Discharged Veteran of the United States Marine Corps, I want to make it clear to you that I did not serve so that members of Congress could rule over me or steal from me, and I will tolerate neither.

Rev. Robert M. Celeste
ChristianPatriot.com
34 Duck Pond Rd.
Harrison, Maine 04040

The rest: http://www.mainetv.net/

Ares
3rd March 2013, 05:36 PM
The mayor in my town tried to do this a couple years ago. Yep he's also a member of that Mayors against guns or whatever they call themselves. State told him to cut the crap and stop trying to supersede state law. They went to court to block gun shows in the local city I live. State said city has to recognize state law which does not prohibit said shows. Judge agreed. City lost :)

Twisted Titan
4th March 2013, 04:50 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpUVQ_z6Zcs&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Dont mess with a Man or Woman that has made their mind up about what they are going to do about a particular thing

Hatha Sunahara
4th March 2013, 03:37 PM
This is the first I've ever heard of urban vigilantes a la Charles Bronson--doing in gangstas. I consider myself fairly well informed, so have I been missing this? Does the MSM suppress this kind of information? Do they want everybody to be scared sh*tless of gangs? Does that give them more ability to control the population?


Hatha

gunDriller
4th March 2013, 06:03 PM
gang-related shooting ?


sounds like the typical police department.

except this gang has body armor, drones, Mine Resistant Super-Hummers, all the electronic toys, and, in the case of the NYPD, toilet plungers with which to sodomize Haitian immigrants.

it's an odd form of "Public Safety", but that's what the NYPD does.

General of Darkness
4th March 2013, 06:06 PM
This is the first I've ever heard of urban vigilantes a la Charles Bronson--doing in gangstas. I consider myself fairly well informed, so have I been missing this? Does the MSM suppress this kind of information? Do they want everybody to be scared sh*tless of gangs? Does that give them more ability to control the population?


Hatha

Like wise.

EE_
4th March 2013, 06:14 PM
This is the first I've ever heard of urban vigilantes a la Charles Bronson--doing in gangstas. I consider myself fairly well informed, so have I been missing this? Does the MSM suppress this kind of information? Do they want everybody to be scared sh*tless of gangs? Does that give them more ability to control the population?

Hatha

I bet there are more vigilantes then ever gets reported.
A friend of mine's daughter was raped by a couple blacks several years back, his club friends took care of them for him, but good! There must be others?

Hatha Sunahara
5th March 2013, 12:01 AM
The biggest fear that TPTB have is organized resistance. Whenever they spot someone with leadership abilities, they either recruit that person, or they marginalize or kill him. The Israelis do that to the Palestinians, so they have no real leaders. If there were a lot of vigilantes in inner cities, the gangstas would know about it, and so would the police. I can understand why the media wouldn't report it though--because they wouldn't want to give more people the idea.

Home schooled Christians also tend to come from authoritarian families that value freedom as anathema, much as the government does. They tend to do as their preachers tell them, so I can't see why the government fears them. The government has programs to make allies of the fundamentalist Christian preachers. Most of them are Zionists.

I would think that the government has made some estimates of how much armed resistance they would meet if they did an across the board gun grab. I think they are on a campaign now to talk about it and get us used to the idea of giving up our guns, so that when they finally come around to acting on it, most people will be so tired of the issue they will just hand over their guns to get it all over with. The 1.6 billion bullets and the armored checkpoint booths, and the armored fighting vehicles they bought should be an indication of how much resistance they expect. They most likely have made estimates of how many soldiers and law enforcement people will oppose them. They seem to have a major fear of veterans.

I can see that at some point we will each have to make a choice. We either go along, or we resist. It is certain that it will not be a cakewalk for the gun grabbers. You can see the propaganda campaign beginning to build. How many people will buy the lies?


Hatha

Twisted Titan
5th March 2013, 02:21 AM
They majority will buy the lies or knuckle under to the pressure but history has shown all it takes is a handful.

Look at the chaos Chris Dorner did


Mutiply that by 400-600 hundread thousand with better training more firearms most important

The cooperation of others.

Something like that cant be beat

madfranks
5th March 2013, 07:22 AM
Home schooled Christians also tend to come from authoritarian families that value freedom as anathema, much as the government does. They tend to do as their preachers tell them, so I can't see why the government fears them. The government has programs to make allies of the fundamentalist Christian preachers. Most of them are Zionists.

I would say you've miscategorized them. Most pastors and preachers don't tell people to do things, they preach the gospel. I've never known a pastor who instructed his parishioners to do one thing or another.

Twisted Titan
5th March 2013, 10:47 AM
Have you ever watched a sermon at one of those mega churches?

Haggee, Creflow,Hinn,Jakes, Schuller.


They all fawn over present day israel and the genocide it commits is the fufillment of prophecy and whatever action it takes we as christians must do what we can to assist

madfranks
5th March 2013, 10:55 AM
Have you ever watched a sermon at one of those mega churches?

Haggee, Creflow,Hinn,Jakes, Schuller.


They all fawn over present day israel and the genocide it commits is the fufillment of prophecy and whatever action it takes we as christians must do what we can to assist

Well, you are right on that one. I don't go to a church like that, but you are right, and I stand corrected.

mick silver
5th March 2013, 11:26 AM
are you ask someone who go to church why do you think the jews are the choosen ones . they never have an answer . are you ask if they are the choosen ones why do you go to church because you are not the choosen one .