We're broke but, Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tank

[General of Darkness]

How much do these bastards cost?

Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks to Go With Their 1.6 Billion Bullet Stockpile Posted by Jim Hoft on Sunday, March 3, 2013, 9:55 PM http://gold-silver.us/forum/image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wBDAAYEBAQFBAYFBQYJBgUGCQsIBgYICwwKCgsKCgwQDAwMDA wMEAwODxAPDgwTExQUExMcGxsbHB8fHx8fHx8fHx//2wBDAQcHBw0MDRgQEBgaFREVGh8fHx8fHx8fHx8fHx8fHx8fHx 8fHx8fHx8fHx8fHx8fHx8fHx8fHx8fHx8fHx8fHx//wAARCAAXAI4DAREAAhEBAxEB/8QAGwAAAgIDAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgMFBwABBAb/xAA5EAABAwMCAwYCCQIHAAAAAAABAgMEBRESAAYTFCEHIiMxQW EWUSQyNEJxgZGSshUzQ1Jic6Giwf/EABoBAAEFAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMAAQIEBQb/xAA2EQABAwIDBAgEBQUAAAAAAAABAgMRABIEITEFE2FxIkFRgZ GSwdEycrHwFCNCUuEGQ4Khsv/aAAwDAQACEQMRAD8At7tH7RpVPmLo1IcDb7YHNyhYqSVC+CL9A bHqdYm0toKQbEa9Zrqdi7GS4neuiQdB6mqzfr9UdUXH5z61eZW t1ZP6k6wS4snMnxrqU4VtIySkDkKD+sTrkc07cGxGarg/I9dIlY1JpJZbIkAV1N/E7kbmmo9RcikFQkoZkraIBsTxEpKbC3z0ZLLxEgKiqy3sMlVpK ArsyrTK9yvxRMYYqLsMgkSm2pC2iEkpJ4iUlPQix66SWXiJAVF JT2GSq0lAV2ZVph3cciKZkdmoPQwFEyW2pC2gEfWPESkp6W69d Mll4iQFRTqdwyVWkoCuzKaByXXGnmmHRMbffCSwytLyXHAs2QW 0EBS8j5YjrqJQ6CAbpNTSWFJKhbCddMqyTLrkVsuShNjNhZaLj yH208RIuUZLAGQHp56dTbqczcKZtWHWYTaTE9WlOf8AiaPETMk MT2YirWkONvobsfIlSgAAfS+pKYeAuIVFQQ9hlKtBQVd1J5yt/R/tn0v7J3XvGuQnwunid4gd2+oWO5a9LTjRJY6Xw9HXhzpsc7mkv vMRmZ7z8f7Qy22+pbZF+i0gXSenkeuppZeUSAFZUNb2GQAVFAC tNK50VKqLdSyh2Qp5Sg2llJcLhWTiEhA72V+lraELyYkzRy20E 3EJt1mnTHtwwUpVObnw0LNkLktvspJ87AuBI0RbTyM1XChNOYd wwgoVyiiWdzIg8+tiemDbLmi2+Gsf82ZFsffy05YfCboVFQD+G KrJRd2ZUMN3cU5px2C3NltM/wB1xhDzqUm17FSAoXsdMhp5YlNxqTrmHbICykE8qYlO6lRhKTE qZiqRxRIDErhlsjLPPHHHHre9tPuH4mFRUd/hbrZRdpGWtLh7nrcJ1LsWe+0pJuLOKIP4pJIP56Gh9xBkKNHcw LSxCkpPdVkQe1CVK2bUpYDaK3TktXJHcWl11LfFCfmMuo8r2+d tbiNpqUwo/wBxMfWJrmHdhJRikJz3S57oBMVVu8nJDW7Kwh+4cEx8m/yU4Sk/gUkW1mYpB3qp7TXWbNAOGbI0sH0qT7M07akbnZFdV3RYwml24K n793i3/wCo8r+ej4BLe86fdVLbqXwwd1/l2xwoe052ejek8TWmGnCU8Mx7EKat4ZXbvZ4/Wy6/lbTbQSoumYqWwUoOGTbPf29fd96zXtaduumbe2htSbNdmhZbll mLFUlLDxCwCJAV1OOQKLe+r6H0tNNk3demnfWI9s9zE4l9KLNU yVajL9PrUps+fGe2/t+QHVsTX1VJ6BBQ4Go77nHcPBcOKuneunRsMoFCD+rpQOo56VT 2iwpLzqYlCd2FGJIFozHrUa01WHOzlxSYUtqUh2oKksxX0Rgyr Nd+KhSk8RCT90X0IIUWNDPS0MVZUpoY0dJNsNxKbp007Dxrn2t U6RUNuQ9yVA5TdoIdbKD/AIqVptGB/BXdT76jhlpLYWrVr7FF2hhnEYgso+HEEHl+73Nc9KqsR7bu36l WVBbDldddkuL6pyUlRClXv0CyCdQaUN2hS/3maLicMoPuttahkAf69Knoo3dF3HVp+4pCFbOWh4ha3kLZdZWD wkNNBRINjY9Bf3vqylLiXFLWr8vPry8KzVqw62UNspP4iR1Zg9 cmoeBSp1XjbGnUpoPQaY6efc4iBwEtPpc7+RB+qg2t/wC6AhkuBpSdE6+NXXsQlhWIQ5kpwdHLWUxUjtuVLqVRr0WPEeX SJdWdUatDkIZdaUm1lkZBSm7JuPP8NFYlSlgDoleoMEfxVbGoS 0hokgOJaHRUmQf5quqUG4/aJCitSDLaaqzLbck2JcSmSAFkjobjWW22A+IzF4+tdM/KsCpShaS0cuzo17rc29duN1SRQZRlzG11RpycZpQtplDLqVKRH A6hHd8j6X1ov4pAUUGT0s56s+qsDBbKeU2HRan8s226mRldxqV b+MW95v1SZLb+Cihay+p5tUZTBQQhAayvlci5xt7ny0YJcDpWV flc8oqkVYc4YNJQfxPLpTPbUbspDtSoK6emLIg0FUmU9FrEWSh ktJBV3X2yb2t0FwR+l9Cwqb0WxCJOYMRzq1tKGnrpCnbUgpKZn T4TUEK7Vm+yuUtM95wtVbk23gtQvGEdIDY69Ef6fLVa5Qwxgn4 o7o05VpfhWztBIKRm1dp+q7XnxqvOZ99ZdldLZUjS3X1QKwtu/DbiILx9MTLYAH7raK2g2q5eoqq+kBbYOtxjyKqy+1nadAqk5U2 JWIEGutpSmVDkyGmuKkJBQTkq6V42tcWIt5a28cwhRkKAVxNcv/T+0HmkWKbWpo6FKSY7eYqoHKXUGXcCpgrHqiTHWP1Q4oayi3HZ 4iuzS+giel5VD0opcCrmQvmynmL+JxX2s7++S76RQZz+tM263a LdOCT7UtUCoYjIt4/du+zb8u/prOXiKlvUcfKfaiTAqlhiUW+7Z9r/AI7+lZy8RTb1HHyn2ouQq1j1Tb18dq389Kzl4ilvW+PlPtS0wK hicS3j62fZt/PSs5eIp96jj5T7VvkKlgOreHp47Vv56VnLxFLeo4+U+1OcgVzl 08Q/R+uGT7eHva67aew/ZqAdanLX5T7ULMCs8NfBI4dvEwfaxtf1svTWfcinU63Oevyn2r GYFZxXwSMbeJg+3a1/Wy9Kz7kUlOt9f/J9qUIE/LoWsvZ9m9/36VnLxFS3qOPlPtWlQJ2RyLWXrd9m/wDPSs5eIpb1HHyn2roMCu8uLn6Pfpd9vC/77aewx/NQ3rU8flPtQtwKzwV8Mjg9M8X28fa9l201n3Ipy63Oevyn2pfI VDDzbw/32bX/AH6VnLxFS3qOPlPtToFBnzH0tJfhsAmynX5kZtCR8zk5f9AdSS 1J1HiKG7i0IEws8kKPpVt07Ze1mez+rUuNX4Dk+Ullc+pB5tTL akOpU0gkK7rZWnEE9STf21qIw7YaUkKEnU1xz20sQrGNuKaWEJ m1MGTlmeJjP7mv/9k= (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/mitt-romney-obama-is-like-a-failed-roman-emperor-nero-is-fiddling-video/)
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This is getting a little creepy.
According to one estimate, since last year (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/02/homeland-security-now-armed-with-enough-ammo-for-24-year-long-iraq-war/) the Department of Homeland Security has stockpiled more than 1.6 billion bullets (http://news.investors.com/politics-andrew-malcolm/020813-643707-obama-homeland-security-vast-ammunition-purchases.htm), mainly .40 caliber and 9mm.
DHS also purchased 2,700 Mine Resistant Armor Protected Vehicles (MRAP).
http://2-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/488x325xhomeland-security-mrap.jpg.pagespeed.ic.tN6C46J1W4.jpg (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/homeland-security-mrap.jpg)
Modern Survival Blog (http://modernsurvivalblog.com/government-gone-wild/latest-homeland-security-vehicle-street-sweeper/) reported:

The Department of Homeland Security (through the U.S. Army Forces Command) recently retrofitted 2,717 of these ‘Mine Resistant Protected’ vehicles for service on the streets of the United States.
Although I’ve seen and read several online blurbs about this vehicle of late, I decided to dig slightly deeper and discover more about the vehicle itself.
The new DHS sanctioned ‘Street Sweeper’ (my own slang due to the gun ports) is built by Navistar Defense (NavistarDefense.com), a division within the Navistar organization. Under the Navistar umbrella are several other companies including International Trucks, IC Bus (they make school buses), Monaco RV (recreational vehicles), WorkHorse (they make chassis), MaxxForce (diesel engines), and Navistar Financial (the money arm of the company).
DHS even released a video on their newly purchased MRAPs.
Via Pat Dollard (http://patdollard.com/2013/02/dhs-mrap-combat-vehicle/):

The MRAP featured in this video is was in Albuquerque, New Mexico for Law Enforcement Day which was held at a local area Target Store. This MRAP is stationed in El Paso, Texas at The Homeland Security Investigations Office. MRAP is a Mine Resistant Armor Protected Vehicle (http://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F MRAP&session_token=th4s5IbrQ_JtwX3FKg0sbG_Jc7d8MTM2MjM3 OTcwOUAxMzYyMzY1MzA5).

[General of Darkness]

I just looked it up and they are listed as $500,000 a piece so this purchase is $1.3 BILLION that will be used against the citizens using citizens taxes. What a fucked up world we live in.

[vacuum]

I believe this is the original source:
http://modernsurvivalblog.com/government-gone-wild/latest-homeland-security-vehicle-street-sweeper/

[Ponce]

Any one who is able to do so should get as close to this vehicles as you can and, if possible, get hold for the expects of the same.....everything has a "weak' spot and you should try to find out which ones are the ones here......ones this is done they think which way is the best way to knock it out.............be ready today for tomorrow.

First post of the day.......good morning to one and all.

V

[EE_]

Any one who is able to do so should get as close to this vehicles as you can and, if possible, get hold for the expects of the same.....everything has a "weak' spot and you should try to find out which ones are the ones here......ones this is done they think which way is the best way to knock it out.............be ready today for tomorrow.

First post of the day.......good morning to one and all.

V

The first weak spot is when the people are getting in, or out of this vehicle...and where they go home.

[palani]

No license plate shown.

According to recent testimony from Highway Patrol the driver of this vehicle will never be stopped for a seat belt violation or failure to use a child restraint seat.

[Carl]

I just looked it up and they are listed as $500,000 a piece so this purchase is $1.3 BILLION that will be used against the citizens using citizens taxes. What a fucked up world we live in.
That's Capitalism for ya...

[gunDriller]

"The Department of Homeland Security (through the U.S. Army Forces Command) recently retrofitted 2,717 of these Mine Resistant Protectedvehicles for service on the streets of the United States.

Although Ive seen and read several online blurbs about this vehicle of late, I decided to dig slightly deeper and discover more about the vehicle itself.

The new DHS sanctioned Street Sweeper(my own slang due to the gun ports) is built by Navistar Defense (NavistarDefense.com), a division within the Navistar organization. Under the Navistar umbrella are several other companies including International Trucks, IC Bus (they make school buses), Monaco RV (recreational vehicles), WorkHorse (they make chassis), MaxxForce (diesel engines), and Navistar Financial (the money arm of the company)."

http://current.com/community/94067339_obama-dhs-purchases-2-700-light-armored-tanks-to-go-with-their-1-6-billion-bullet-stockpile.htm


Patriot Act + Humongous NSA center in Utah + NDAA + 2 Billion Bullets purchased by DHS + 2700+ Mine-sweepers.

AND - on 9-11, the US gov. deliberately sacrificed 3000+ Gentiles to kick-start their "New American Century".


This is what Civil War looks like.

This is what Martial Law looks like.


The US gov. is just doing an end-run around Posse Comitatus, by implementing military bases under the guise of DHS & related organizations like FEMA.

[Hitch]

I just looked it up and they are listed as $500,000 a piece so this purchase is $1.3 BILLION that will be used against the citizens using citizens taxes. What a fucked up world we live in.

This is why rescue is painted on these tanks. They are intended to rescue DHS from all of us citizens.

[StreetsOfGold]

Proverbs 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

[old steel]

Oh wait, i see the word rescue written on the bottom of the vehicle right behind police.

I think we are ok here. >:D

[Dogman]

Oh wait, i see the word rescue written on the bottom of the vehicle right behind police.

I think we are ok here. >:D


Yea,

Probably slated to be used to "rescue" the last donut in the shop before it closes for the day.

[Heimdhal]

I've always loved that they also have the anti-RPG/Rocket cages on them, too.

1.3 billion....... but were in sequestration..... This whole system is a farce, foisted on us with whimsical fantasies and enforced by all the power the Federal Reserve can print. 'Murica!

[Neuro]

A paint gun may be useful...

[gunDriller]

they should show up on Google Earth.

unless the US gov. pays Space-Eye or whoever they get their images from to edit out the tanks.


Google doesn't want to lose their airplane parking spot at NASA Ames. i'm sure they will co-operate.


i wonder where they're going to put the tanks. allocate them roughly according to population density ?


Navistar -

http://www.navistardefense.com/NavistarDefense/vehicles?filter=1&v1=v1

i like the Stake-Bed/ Flat-bed myself -
http://www.navistardefense.com/StaticFiles/navistardefense/vehicles/maxxpromrap/maxxpro_6x6_dxm/Navistar-Defense-Vehicle-MaxxPro-6x6-DXM%20%281%29.png


i'm pretty sure these run on gas.

my hunch about subjects like not drilling in ANWR & developing domestic oil reserves is that, the plan is, the US military has allocated that oil to themselves, and the environmental business is just a smoke-screen. the oil being for, so they can run their MRAP's, drones, etc.


i wonder if the radiator is the weak spot. just fire a beach ball full of spaghetti and all of a sudden the radiator is clogged, and the engine overheats ?

[Heimdhal]

A paint gun may be useful...

used motor oil

[vacuum]

used motor oil

Delivered by remote controlled quadrocopters

Or maybe compressed air cannon

[palani]

All those sink holes in Florida should prove worthy of tank traps.

[Jewboo]

This is what Civil War looks like.

This is what Martial Law looks like.

The US gov. is just doing an end-run around Posse Comitatus, by implementing military bases under the guise of DHS & related organizations like FEMA.



http://mos.totalfilm.com/images/f/four-more-wolverines-join-red-dawn.jpg

Exactly. Wolverines will be declared domestic terrorists and hunted by U.S. Government drones paid for with our tax money. Homeland Security didn't order a billion rounds of domestic-use ammo to fight the Ruskies or Chinese.

Today the Wolverines can't even find a single box of .22 ammo at Wal-Mart.

[General of Darkness]

Oh wait, i see the word FUCKue written on the bottom of the vehicle right behind police.

I think we are ok here. >:D

That's more like it.

[Tumbleweed]

Exactly. Wolverines will be declared domestic terrorists and hunted by U.S. Government drones paid for with our tax money. Homeland Security didn't order a billion rounds of domestic-use ammo to fight the Ruskies or Chinese.

Today the Wolverines can't even find a single box of .22 ammo at Wal-Mart.

This reminded me of something I read in Cathy O'Briens book "Access Denied". Daddy Bush, Dick Cheney and others liked to play the most dangerous game. They would strip women or children naked, turn them loose and then hunt them. When they found them they would rape them. It was part of the MK Ultra program. These are the type of people who are in control at the top of this country.

I'm an old country boy and I learned along time ago when you go to kill a rattle snake you don't stomp on it's tail you cut it's head off.

[mick silver]

were broke but the gov is not for now . they need them to keep power

[JDRock]

how about the tires?? are they so strong that they will resist say, a .308 fmj? any ex military care to weigh in here?

[Heimdhal]

how about the tires?? are they so strong that they will resist say, a .308 fmj? any ex military care to weigh in here?

Yes.

Most armor ratings for light tanks and IFV's will go up to at least moderate .50 cal, bare minimum AP 30-06/7.62x54r. They are designed specificaly to resist small arms fire, including mines, rockets and RPG's.

However, they are NOT designed to sustain them endlessley. These also likley are not air tight (bring in outside air), leaving the succeptible to airborned irritants andg asses (pepper spray, in LARGe amounts). They also function on line of sight (windows) and a driver. A driver with a gas mask on and windshield totaly obscured with sticky, perhaps even burnt motor oil will leave them only operating via radio.

This is light tanks/IFV's in general, not these specific models. Historicaly, things like Molotov cocktails were originaly invented to forced the shut down of tanks, by either disabling engines or making the interior uninhabitable or taking out the "eyes" of the vehicle.

They get taken out all the itme overseas. They are easy to disable, just harder to kill the occupants than the older humvees. Injury to occupants is stil pretty high. I know a guy personaly that is still going through over 6 months of physical therpay after getting hit with an IED in an MRAP in Afghan. Flipped the whole unit, messed up his leg real bad. Took the MRAP out of the fight, so to speak, without actually destroying it.

However, all of that takes planning and numbers. Coming for an individual holed up in a house or even un armed rioters/protestors they would have a full force of men on foot guarding the vehicle and it would be tough for them to get in close enough without taking some flak themselves. They would have to plan it, be in communication with a team, even a small one, to really and be focused in their objective.

[JDRock]

so paintball on the windshield and pepper spray in the air intake....where the hell IS the air intake on of these??

[Heimdhal]

so paintball on the windshield and pepper spray in the air intake....where the hell IS the air intake on of these??

Paint is washable and will be easily removed from windows. They wont get a big set back from paint, hence the oil part. Used or burning motor oil is very sticky and hard wipe off. Even with wipers and washing fluid, it will only make it worse. In fact, if they did that with burning oil, it would make it a LOT worse.

[midnight rambler]

Paint is washable and will be easily removed from windows. They wont get a big set back from paint, hence the oil part. Used or burning motor oil is very sticky and hard wipe off. Even with wipers and washing fluid, it will only make it worse. In fact, if they did that with burning oil, it would make it a LOT worse.

Your run of the mill pressure washer will pump used motor oil - just needs to be one with at least a 11 hp engine to have a reasonably effective range.

[General of Darkness]

I say we steal their hubcaps.

http://gifs.gifbin.com/072011/1310033774_monkey_steals_wheel_cover.gif

[gunDriller]

these MRAP's will be deployed against law-abiding American citizens.


when i say law abiding, i am referring to moral laws.

[vacuum]

So basically take a wine bottle, fill it up half way with used oil and half way with gas, and put a rag in the top?

[Heimdhal]

Your run of the mill pressure washer will pump used motor oil - just needs to be one with at least a 11 hp engine to have a reasonably effective range.

Oh, I've no doubt when it comes down to it, there will be plenty of people who think of some really, really clever things ;)

[Heimdhal]

So basically take a wine bottle, fill it up half way with used oil and half way with gas, and put a rag in the top?

If one were to study the historical application of the anti-tank soldiers during say the Winter War (Finnish War of Independence), one would find that motor oil and diesel fuel were often combined and capped off in the vessel. The rags were actualy wetted in oil themselves and TIED around the bottle or jar and lit. Stuffing a flaming piece of cloth into an incendiary device = not always a good decision.

Of course, there are many variations and the soldiers had no shortage of tweaks and alterations to get their stuff to work better, or in different ways.

Remember though, anytime fire is at play, be it a battlefield or elsewhere, there is always the risk of igniting some un intended thing, which may very well be the soldiers own fortification.

[EE_]

If one were to study the historical application of the anti-tank soldiers during say the Winter War (Finnish War of Independence), one would find that motor oil and diesel fuel were often combined and capped off in the vessel. The rags were actualy wetted in oil themselves and TIED around the bottle or jar and lit. Stuffing a flaming piece of cloth into an incendiary device = not always a good decision.

Of course, there are many variations and the soldiers had no shortage of tweaks and alterations to get their stuff to work better, or in different ways.

Remember though, anytime fire is at play, be it a battlefield or elsewhere, there is always the risk of igniting some un intended thing, which may very well be the soldiers own fortification.

Laundry detergent, or oil, or packing peanuts with gasoline. Cork the bottle and tape these to the sides
Rags are no good
http://www.lifeviewoutdoors.com/images/detailed/1/UCO-Stormproof-Matches.jpg

[JDRock]

low tech seems best...serve them a cocktail....a molotov. of course this thread is pure speculation as to what a real terrorist would do, we would never engage in such activity- post for record.

[Horn]

Looks like we're being defeated from within.

[mick silver]

if someone could get the guys out of the truck then he could be the new cop in town

[Son-of-Liberty]

What do police/rescue need with an armored vehicle? This is pretty blatant.

[gunDriller]

if the MRAP's a-rockin' - don't come a-knockin'.


though i imagine the suspension on these things has some pretty heavy-duty springs. so it would take a lot to get them a-rockin.

[Tumbleweed]

I've had a thought about this because of some reading I did recently. It was about an enemy being able to take control of drones if they find the right frequencies. It would be pretty interesting if someone were able to take over a drone they are planing to deploy in this country and take out some of these armored vehicles.

[Atocha]

Any one who is able to do so should get as close to this vehicles as you can and, if possible, get hold for the expects of the same.....everything has a "weak' spot and you should try to find out which ones are the ones here......ones this is done they think which way is the best way to knock it out.............be ready today for tomorrow.

First post of the day.......good morning to one and all.

V

A big a** forklift or a bulldozer. Perhaps a flaming tire jammed in the right spot. It does look like a beast and there is no reason in the world for police departments to have such a vehicle.

[Atocha]

Yes, necessity is the mother of invention...

[gunDriller]

Urushiol to the rescue !

Urushiol is the active ingredient in Poison Oak.

"Urushiol is a pale-yellow liquid with density of 0.968 and a boiling point of 200 °C (392 °F). It is soluble in alcohol, ether, and benzene.[3] Urushiol is a mixture of several closely related organic compounds. Each consists of a catechol substituted with an alkyl chain that has 15 or 17 carbon atoms. The alkyl group may be saturated or unsaturated. The exact composition of the mixture varies depending on the plant souce. Whereas western poison oak urushiol contains chiefly catechols with C17 side-chains,[4] poison ivy and poison sumac contain mostly catechols with C15 side-chains. The likelihood and severity of allergic reaction to urushiol is dependent on the degree of unsaturation of the alkyl chain. Less than half of the general population reacts with the saturated urushiol alone, but over 90% react with urushiol containing at least two degrees of unsaturation (double bonds). Longer side chains tend to produce stronger reaction.[5] This suggests that the allergic contact dermatitis is caused by Van der Waals forces.[5] "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urushiol

So, you just need some poison oak seeds, and poison oak leaves, and some cheap vodka ... and a biohazard suit - and a breathing line because you don't want to inhale the fumes.

use the vodka / alcohol to extract the urushiol. then hot vodka/ poison oak balloons fired at the MRAP breathing air-vents - hot would probably work better than cold.

the freedom-usurpers inside won't get much work done that day.

[horseshoe3]

"These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask, gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other."

Patrick Henry

[JDRock]

....google "David's tool kit" by ragnar benson. hahaha it looks like 'ol uncle ragnar has been busy.bwaahahaaa theres a free pdf online if u look around.

[JDRock]

bump...you NEED ragnars book imo...

[gunDriller]

....google "David's tool kit" by ragnar benson. hahaha it looks like 'ol uncle ragnar has been busy.bwaahahaaa theres a free pdf online if u look around.


bump...you NEED ragnars book imo...


http://media.portland.indymedia.org/media/2008/10/380523.pdf

223 pages of independent thinking ! :)


but it doesn't say anything about burning 1/2 pound of high-grade Sinsemilla inside the US gov. thug's vehicle, while blocking the air-ducts and tying the doors shut.

by the time they break out, they will be substantially more mellow - probably.