Why love is such a mess

[Hitch]

This talk is powerful, and extremely eye opening. Like a spiritual journey of self discovery. If you take the time to watch this and really listen...you will likely learn a lot about yourself. I know I sure did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je__JS1lmbk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je__JS1lmbk

[mamboni]

What's love got to do with it? Who needs a heart when a heart can be broken?

[vacuum]

I'll check this out when I get a chance tonight.

[Hitch]

What's love got to do with it? Who needs a heart when a heart can be broken?

I think you'd really like this talk, mamboni. In fact, I think this dr. is you. :)

For me personally, this dr really made me think about the decisions I've made in the past, and gave me a lot to think about why I made those decisions..

[Heimdhal]

I personally do not find any of the love that I have or receive a mess or overcomplicated. Sure, I might get confused as all hell at times (wives can be very confusing creature at times, so can children).

Instead I find great comfort and salvation in it and greatly enjoy it. But, thats just me I guess.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Downloaded. Thanks.

[Hitch]

I personally do not find any of the love that I have or receive a mess or overcomplicated. Sure, I might get confused as all hell at times (wives can be very confusing creature at times, so can children).

Instead I find great comfort and salvation in it and greatly enjoy it. But, thats just me I guess.

This video is still a worthwhile watch for you. The title is a bit misleading, and there's a lot of topics discussed, that get linked together. Basically, as men we need to step up and start realizing these things. We are 50 years behind women now in psychological growth. We are getting left behind.

[Neuro]

He said it himself, in successful societies men are disposable. That is the truth, the greatest wrong is that current society through welfare and obviously unjust laws make it very easy for women to divorce their natural providers, and thus do their children great injustice, and he said that himself too, children that grow up with their father are more empathical, because you don't become empathical by being given empathy, but by been shown that your behavior has limits when it encroaches on others well being. Women divorce men because they are given that option by society, and society finances that by going increasingly into astronomical debt. The fact is that women has been led astray the last 50 years, by going into a path that clearly is unsustainable, and they are the ones acting psychotic in their relationships. It is not going to be helped by male birth control pills, the issue is not that to many children are born, the issue is that women have been led to act irresponsible as mothers and partners. Certainly men on average have been led astray in the process too, they don't act like men any longer, but really it is secondary. But he is suggesting that men should stop sacrificing themselves for their families. Bullshit!

[Santa]

We are 50 years behind women now in psychological growth.

I'm so sick of this type of bullshit comparison. Women are every bit as emotionally and spiritually fucked up as men. Just look around. You can see it everywhere.

We're all in this together to the end.

[Hitch]

But he is suggesting that men should stop sacrificing themselves for their families. Bullshit!

Neuro, good thoughts, but I don't think he's suggesting this.

For you married folks with families...you have a purpose. You have a reason to achieve great things, to protect and carry for your families.

Single men like myself, we are searching for 'purpose'. We've been programmed that to be a man, we need to work and raise families. That is success.

I've done a lot of things, in life, searching for that purpose for myself. Positions of honor and respect, giving to the community. Nothing seems to find that balance, in life, to complete what is programmed into us from day 1.

That's what he's talking about. This is why we are 50 years behind women. Because the only thing now to justify my existence, is my death.

[Hitch]

I'm so sick of this type of bullshit comparison. Women are every bit as emotionally and spiritually fucked up as men. Just look around. You can see it everywhere.

We're all in this together to the end.

I'd like agree with this, but I don't think so.

We just don't have the safety nets to fall back on like women, and minorities do. When we fail, we fail. We just have ourselves at the end of the day, to pick ourselves back up.

[Cebu_4_2]

Because the only thing now to justify my existence, is my death.

Buy yourself a nice tombstone and mount it at the front of the boat.

[Hitch]

Buy yourself a nice tombstone and mount it at the front of the boat.

tombstones weigh quite a bit Cebu. If you put too much weight in the bow of a boat, you screw up the trim of the boat.

[Cebu_4_2]

tombstones weigh quite a bit Cebu. If you put too much weight in the bow of a boat, you screw up the trim of the boat.

I said 'nice' not HUGE!

[EE_]

Despite all the disposable male early deaths...there's still more men on the planet then there are women.
Good thing we are disposable, or the whole world might look like China, too many men and not enough women.
We'd kill each other, or ourselves either way. Maybe we are just meant to be disposable.

The perfect world in a song...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxMyFe81FUg

[Hitch]

I said 'nice' not HUGE!

It's still bad luck, Cebu. When I think of sailing, it's towards a destination that's beautiful. A goal worthy of achieving. Sailing is about balance, in life, that few folks can understand the concept. You balance your boat.

This talk is about how unbalance, society is. How the ways of the old school sailor, are dying. We are getting left behind in the wake of a fast moving ship.

[EE_]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10atNgm_Cy8
2/4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_ycphyls-w
3/4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4adcVCT1maw
4/4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOIhFgTO-Cw

[EE_]

It's still bad luck, Cebu. When I think of sailing, it's towards a destination that's beautiful. A goal worthy of achieving. Sailing is about balance, in life, that few folks can understand the concept. You balance your boat.

This talk is about how unbalance, society is. How the ways of the old school sailor, are dying. We are getting left behind in the wake of a fast moving ship.

Maybe it the natural order of things, or evolution?
I like the sailboat balance analogy...I agree, balance in your life is the key!

[willie pete]

relationships can be Stormy.........just sayin'


http://youtu.be/18Sua_QTDs0

[Hitch]

Maybe it the natural order of things, or evolution?!

I think this dr is proposing a solution, an understanding, that can help up realize the direction we are heading right now. Our current course, so to speak. Most men are sailing blindly. I don't think you can find a solution to beating nature...but you can adjust your course in life...to keep your heading. There's set and drift. The wind sets you one direction, the drift (current) set you possibly another direction.

To find your true heading, you need to understand these things. This is what the DR is saying. We, as men, DON'T understand. As people, men and women, there's no attention to these things that set us 'off course' in life.

[EE_]

relationships can be Stormy.........just sayin'


http://youtu.be/18Sua_QTDs0

That song brings back memories of good times.

[EE_]

I think this dr is proposing a solution, an understanding, that can help up realize the direction we are heading right now. Our current course, so to speak. Most men are sailing blindly. I don't think you can find a solution to beating nature...but you can adjust your course in life...to keep your heading. There's set and drift. The wind sets you one direction, the drift (current) set you possibly another direction.

To find your true heading, you need to understand these things. This is what the DR is saying. We, as men, DON'T understand. As people, men and women, there's no attention to these things that set us 'off course' in life.

oh, I thought the doctor was telling women to take better care of us...because if we become too disfunctional, we're going to rip this world to fucking shreds! It's in our blood...we are programmed to war and die.

[Hitch]

oh, I thought the doctor was telling women to take better care of us...because if we become too disfunctional, we're going to rip this world to fucking shreds! It's in our blood...we are programmed to war and die.

Maybe at the most basic level, this is how we as men are controlled. Our testosterone has been pre programmed to flow on certain direction.

Very deep comment! Thanks!

[Rubberchicken]

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[Hitch]

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Listen up Ben, I'm not gay, even if you are.

If you have something to add to this discussion, add it. If not, shut the fuck up.

[EE_]

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lol
Now how many pictures like that did you have to look through to find that one, mister, hmmm?

[Jewboo]

Basically, as men we need to step up and start realizing these things. We are 50 years behind women now in psychological growth. We are getting left behind.



https://lh3.ggpht.com/-i-FFZNGabSA/TVoW5P7D5xI/AAAAAAAAGLk/gjP6DDiUWx4/s320/Dr_Phil_.JPG

When did GSUS and other forums (http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?424034-NEED-ANY-AND-ALL-ADVICE-FROM-YOU-WONDERFUL-PEOPLE-HERE&p=4748214#post4748214) become a platform for airing personal emotional problems?

???

[Hitch]

https://lh3.ggpht.com/-i-FFZNGabSA/TVoW5P7D5xI/AAAAAAAAGLk/gjP6DDiUWx4/s320/Dr_Phil_.JPG

When did GSUS and other forums (http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?424034-NEED-ANY-AND-ALL-ADVICE-FROM-YOU-WONDERFUL-PEOPLE-HERE&p=4748214#post4748214) become a platform for airing personal emotional problems?

???

Welcome back, Book. Seriously. Don't care for your new username though. :)

[Cebu_4_2]

lol
Now how many pictures like that did you have to look through to find that one, mister, hmmm?

Looks like it was an attachment from his computer.

[Cebu_4_2]

Welcome back, Book. Seriously. Don't care for your new username though. :)

Joo vs Jew, might be interesting.

[EE_]

Looks like it was an attachment from his computer.

From here...

http://help.aol.com/Platform/Publishing/images/my_aol_com_favrits.gif

[Cebu_4_2]

HAhahaha AOL.... brings back bad memories of trying to save peoples computers without completely nuking them.

[Hitch]

Joo vs Jew, might be interesting.

If you like forum drama perhaps. :)

heck I don't know, all we need now is the "one who profiles" to show up to even further derail this thread.

It would be good to keep this on topic, as this dr's work, and his willingness to share his knowledge should be valued. Imo.

[Cebu_4_2]

It would be good to keep this on topic, as this dr's work, and his willingness to share his knowledge should be valued. Imo.

Good point, think I'll head back to Ponces' shemale thread.

[EE_]

If you like forum drama perhaps. :)

heck I don't know, all we need now is the "one who profiles" to show up to even further derail this thread.

It would be good to keep this on topic, as this dr's work, and his willingness to share his knowledge should be valued. Imo.

This is a serious subject in this thread and one that deserves discussion. Any parent of a male child, and female, needs to think about this.
Yes, the thread doesn't need a big shit taken on it...

[Hitch]

This is a serious subject in this thread and one that deserves discussion. Any parent of a male child, and female, needs to think about this.
Yes, the thread doesn't need a big shit taken on it...

Thanks EE. I was really hoping for some real insight on this talk.

It's given me quite a few things to think about. To say the least.

[EE_]

Do you think it would have changed many men's lives if parent's sat their kids down with this information?
I didn't realize I was a disposable male up until a few years ago.

[Hitch]

Do you think it would have changed many men's lives if parent's sat their kids down with this information?
I didn't realize I was a disposable male up until a few years ago.

I didn't realize I was disposable until just a few years ago as well. Absorbing this guys talks, I served on the fire dept and police dept for the wrong reasons. I wanted to save lives on the fire dept, and protect folks on the police dept.

Man, was I 'off'. live and learn. We grow, as men, through knowledge.

[Jewboo]

Single men like myself, we are searching for 'purpose'.




http://youtu.be/cI6Q9GPLPls

Desmon Hatchet is actively out there searching for his 31st baby momma while unmarried childless middle-aged Hitcher posts his laments about "Love" in internet forums.

The title of this thread would be a great Oprah show topic to keep the goyim women distracted for an afternoon.

http://www.mydyingbride.net/forum/images/smilies/nopityA.gif

[Hitch]

Desmon Hatchet is actively out there searching for his 31st baby momma while unmarried childless middle-aged Hitcher posts his laments about "Love" in internet forums.

For fuck's sake, don't repond to this thread if you haven't watched the video.

Damnit, and damn you trolls.

Book, add to this discussion or Get The Fuck Out.

btw, welcome back.

[sirgonzo420]

Reincarnation is real, as is evidenced by this thread.

Hahaha I love you ALL!

:)*#*

[vacuum]

He made a lot of good points in his talk. It's difficult to try to put it all in context and come to solid conclusions, but I definitely think he's on to something.

One big question I have is if all the things he talked about were causes or symptoms. If they're causes, then simply undoing those causes would fix things. But if they are just symptoms of some other problem which he didn't discuss, then trying to fix the symptoms either wouldn't work or it would cause an entire set of other problems.

I don't think any of the solutions he proposed were very good - male birth control pill, paternity leave for men, and "team executive" positions. I'm also skeptical that his 7 steps to stop the personal criticism/self-defense reaction.

I thought the whole lead in with the "spiritual experience" was promising, however, I didn't see anything particularly spiritual in his talk. His talk was mostly based on psychology, sociology, statistics, and evolution. They aren't bad tools to use, but I believe the tools he uses to try and describe and solve the problem can only lead to a limited description and solution. He uses them to good effect and gets to a reasonable place, but to say this is "Why love is a mess" is a little bit too ambitious given the tools he is using.

So overall I think he's making a good push in the right direction, and improving things overall, however, I don't believe he necessarily has all the keys to solving love issues between men and women.