Dog whisperer gets pwned

[joboo]

This happened 6 months ago apparently...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ihXq_WwiWM

[Shami-Amourae]

He should just keep his practice to children:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruMS6OV5vvM

[General of Darkness]

Most people in the dog world that know anything thinks he's full of shit. That dog needed some immediate compulsion training as in getting it's fucking ass kicked.

[Cebu_4_2]

Most people in the dog world that know anything thinks he's full of shit. That dog needed some immediate compulsion training as in getting it's fucking ass kicked.

I used to call it army training. That would go on for 3 days in a row. Best dog in the world but you had to do this every once in a while to keep it on track.

[Ares]

Most people in the dog world that know anything thinks he's full of shit. That dog needed some immediate compulsion training as in getting it's fucking ass kicked.

Yep, there is a line between abuse and showing who is the master and who isn't. Growing up we had a dog who grew up with me and my younger brother. We got her when I was probably 10-12 years old. My parents had 2 more kids when me and my brother were in our early teens. So our dog had never been around small children. All it took was her to nip at my little brother and my dad kicked the shit out of her. She never again nipped at my younger brother or sister. They could crawl on her, pull her tail, ears, etc. She would growl, but she never once nipped at them again.

[Cebu_4_2]

The OP has a stranger testing the dog. He is not family, the dog doesn't know who he is besides a stranger. I would want my dog to bite strangers, his call of not letting the dog around kids is a bit off IMO.

[midnight rambler]

That dog needed some immediate compulsion training as in getting it's fucking ass kicked.

I disagree - one size does not fit all. Some dogs just have bad temperament via genes, and some get fucked up as puppies and cannot be rehabilitated*. You're well aware of what happened to Enzo's littermate Cato. No amount of compulsion would have turned Cato around, nominal compulsion only made Cato more aggressive and pissed him off even more. Compulsion does not build trust if there's not a foundation of trust preexisting.

*I'm very curious as to how Manfred Lerner handled that one Eschenhof male that was all set to be euthanized due to extreme aggression, one day I hope to ask him.

[General of Darkness]

I disagree - one size does not fit all. Some dogs just have bad temperament via genes, and some get fucked up as puppies and cannot be rehabilitated*. You're well aware of what happened to Enzo's littermate Cato. No amount of compulsion would have turned Cato around, nominal compulsion only made Cato more aggressive and pissed him off even more. Compulsion does not build trust if there's not a foundation of trust preexisting.

*I'm very curious as to how Manfred Lerner handled that one Eschenhof male that was all set to be euthanized due to extreme aggression, one day I hope to ask him.

Don't get me wrong, that is not a strong dog, but she does have some balls, that was pure aggression. The problem is Caesar got bit, there's no going back at this point. YOU NEVER EVER GET BIT IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT. Once that happens you've lost, that dog has no respect for him and will bit him again, he's lucky she didn't bit him in the face. The only solution now is to bring in another trainer and string the fucker up until it's almost dead and then she'll know, don't fuck with your human.

The issue with Cato was he was raised with his brother and keep in mind you've never had to deal with taking a dog to a dark place. Trust me it's not pretty, but I've been there with Enzo, these Eshenhof dogs can be fucking straight up obtuse assholes and that's what makes them such great dogs. The problem is, is that they're not for everyone. Would you give a 16 year old the keys to the Ferrari?

[mamboni]

You guys sound like you know what you're talking about. If that were my dog he'd be gone. I've never had any of my dogs act like that. But I raised them from pups. The giant schnauzer loves me to death and he's a complete mush around me. But when the UPS guy or a stranger comes on the property, he turns really mean and gets into an attack posture. If I speak loudly and directly at him he will back down.

[General of Darkness]

You guys sound like you know what you're talking about. If that were my dog he'd be gone. I've never had any of my dogs act like that. But I raised them from pups. The giant schnauzer loves me to death and he's a complete mush around me. But when the UPS guy or a stranger comes on the property, he turns really mean and gets into an attack posture. If I speak loudly and directly at him he will back down.

There's a lady in the club that has two Giant Schnauzers that do schutzhund. Cool ass dogs.

The lady in the video has a decent ass also. ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBlh05OZj4o

[midnight rambler]

he's lucky she didn't bite him in the face.

That zero is lucky that bitch didn't bite him in the balls since he was sticking his junk in her face. Now that would have been instant karma, and big time payback for all the abuse that asshole has meted out to dogs over the years.


you've never had to deal with taking a dog to a dark place.

Enzo is your first Dobermann and you had the good fortune to properly bond with him from 8 weeks old (with Enzo having had zero bad input/exposure up to that point). There's mutual trust and respect there - he's a member of your household. 27 years prior to having to euthanize Cato I got a male Dobe (American showlines, no where close to the level of aggression of the Nymphenburg/Eschenhof stuff, this boy's name was 'Bubba') returned back to me - there was NO amount of 'taking him to a dark place' which would have 'fixed' that dog's messed up head. The fact was he was basically an excellent dog but he had no foundation of trust from any human and you know how Dobermans are with their sense of fairness and need to be close to their own humans (just like Cato he would have been a fantastic dog for someone, had he been raised with the right inputs).

IMO, the only reason you're able to 'take (Enzo) to a dark place' (to get him to do what you wanted him to do) is because you have that well established foundation of trust which your boy knows is always there (and if that foundation of trust wasn't there, OR it was completely lost like with Ann R.'s ScH 3 Boris dog then that boy of yours would EAT YOU).

After 36 years of handling Doberman(n)s (18 years of that with this very aggressive bloodline) I've concluded that less is more when it comes to using compulsion and I find myself seeking ways to use compulsion less and less. Things just seem to work out better that way. Chico definitely appreciates the fact that I don't zap him as much as I used to when I first got the electronic collar - he snaps to easily by just using the page function (the buzzing/vibrating mode) 'cause he knows what's coming next if he doesn't. lol (I also have 'safe zones' where he knows for sure he won't get zapped if he's in those areas)

[General of Darkness]

IMO, the only reason you're able to 'take (Enzo) to a dark place' (to get him to do what you wanted him to do) is because you have that well established foundation of trust which your boy knows is always there (and if that foundation of trust wasn't there, OR it was completely lost like with Ann R.'s ScH 3 Boris dog then that boy of yours would EAT YOU).

After 36 years of handling Doberman(n)s (18 years of that with this very aggressive bloodline) I've concluded that less is more when it comes to using compulsion and I find myself seeking ways to use compulsion less and less. Things just seem to work out better that way. Chico definitely appreciates the fact that I don't zap him as much as I used to when I first got the electronic collar - he snaps to easily by just using the page function (the buzzing/vibrating mode) 'cause he knows what's coming next if he doesn't. lol (I also have 'safe zones' where he knows for sure he won't get zapped if he's in those areas)


MR The ONLY reason we were able to take Enzo to a dark place was because of a leash on his fur saver and a lease on his prong, he was back tied to a tree. He had no choice. It was pure unadulterated compulsion, you will obey there is no option. The only saving grace for Enzo is his genetics to be able to take it, and not shut down because we pushed him to that level. A weaker dog would have shut down and would have become useless. The only thing I did was give him a good environment to be dog and take him to training as an outlet, and the NUMBER ONE most important thing in training, I always let him win when he's correct and always end on a high note and the fucker knows I love him.

For the record, I really don't want to get into a pissing match with you on the forum.

[midnight rambler]

For the record, I really don't want to get into a pissing match with you on the forum.

Pissing match?? Where'd that come from?? ??? I was merely relating my experience based on owning a couple of dozen dogs over the course of many years, along with gleaning info/experiences from other people who own these same sort of dogs (which certainly includes you).

FWIW, I wasn't disagreeing with what you and Joel did on the force retrieve as that's a common practice that even Avatar's owner has utilized. What I do disagree with (after many years of doing it myself with very poor results) is the notion of 'showing the dog who is boss via compulsion' which that asshole Cesar Millian is so fond of. Not that I don't ever use (light, moderate) compulsion, it's that that I use it VERY judiciously and very rarely these days. And due to that very careful, measured, and deliberate use of compulsion (along with positive reinforcement) my results have improved. They certainly don't get dolphins and killer whales to perform at Sea World by using compulsion.

[Twisted Titan]

I thought this was about him paying his ex wife 20 plus grand a month in spousal support and god knows how much for the kids