SWAT officer with his rifle sight on backwards.............. V

[Ponce]

Is not his sight that is backwards.....is his head.
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..A SWAT team in upstate New York is being mocked as an example of the difference between military and police training after an officer was captured peering through a backwards sight on his combat rifle.

As users on the military Reddit were quick to point out when the image was posted, the reverse sight makes it effectively useless.
Users mocked the SWAT officers training and some went so far as to question the motives of some of the men serving in local law enforcement.

Oops: This image of a SWAT officer with his sight backwards has been widely ridiculed on the web
The officer is using a 'military style' assault weapon with a close quarters combat sight that costs roughly $500.

'It's disturbing to think that 1) none of his buddies corrected it, and 2) he's in a real-life situation with his optic on backwards, which means he's never fired that rifle with the optic on it, which means it isn't zeroed and he thought it was OK to show up to a gunfight with an unzeroed weapon,' wrote one Reddit user.


More...•Disgust as Greyhound bus to Manhattan from New Jersey is invaded by cockroaches
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Joked another: 'So much tomfoolery in this photo. You sure this isnt a screen shot from the next Three Stooges movie'

Right way: Unless the sight is on properly, as shown here, the sight is effectively useless
The image came from a report on WKTV about an overnight standoff between law enforcement and an alleged killer hiding in building in Herkimer, N.Y.
Despite the backwards sight, the standoff ended with the gunman killed and no reports of innocent bystanders being accidentally shot by SWAT.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294225/SWAT-officer-attracts-ridicule-s-pictured-rifle-sight-backwards.html

[Hitch]

The sight may have been set backwards intentionally for training purposes. LE often does such things to separate live weapons from training weapons. Grab the gun with the site backwards, you know it's been checked and set for training. We had used glocks with receivers painted blue to designate training weapons.

[Horn]

The sight may have been set backwards intentionally for training purposes.

That doesn't make much sense, unless your training includes targeting yourself.

[Hitch]

That doesn't make much sense, unless your training includes targeting yourself.

I don't know anything about that particular sight or gun. I just know that LE does make changes that are obvious on firearms for the safety of training. I thought that might be the case here.

[Horn]

Perhaps he thought it was a sun visor, and would protect the gun against the glare from his partners bald head?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/03/16/article-2294225-18B384F9000005DC-172_634x476.jpg

[Horn]

My favorite SWAT scene.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-nPQQWIf3c

[Dogman]

This must be the handgun that goes along with the rifle.

http://files.coloribus.com/files/adsarchive/part_732/7329755/file/gun-control-awareness-backwards-gun-small-13099.jpg

[midnight rambler]

The sight may have been set backwards intentionally for training purposes. LE often does such things to separate live weapons from training weapons. Grab the gun with the site backwards, you know it's been checked and set for training. We had used glocks with receivers painted blue to designate training weapons.

That is without a doubt one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. I have one of those EOTech sights, the one mounted backwards in that photo is a XPS2 or XPS3. It does not work when mounted backwards, period. What good is training if your fucking optic isn't working?? That's just plain stupid. If what you're suggesting is SOP, then that is just another example that there is an active effort to make sure the intelligence levels of LEO recruits are no higher than that of retards.

When seconds count, retarded cops are only minutes away.

[Hitch]

That is without a doubt one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. I have one of those EOTech sights, the one mounted backwards in that photo is a XPS2 or XPS3. It does not work when mounted backwards, period. What good is training if your fucking optic isn't working?? That's just plain stupid. If what you're suggesting is SOP, then that is just another example that there is an active effort to make sure the intelligence levels of LEO recruits are no higher than that of retards.

When seconds count, retarded cops are only minutes away.

That's a little uncalled for, don't you think?

I stated I have not had any experience with that particular gun or sight. I just offered an explanation as to why the sight was possibly installed backwards, that's all. I've gone through LE training, you have not. Before crapping on someone's thought get off your high horse first.

[midnight rambler]

That's a little uncalled for, don't you think?

I stated I have not had any experience with that particular gun or sight. I just offered an explanation as to why the sight was possibly installed backwards, that's all. I've gone through LE training, you have not. Before crapping on someone's thought get off your high horse first.

My opinion is based upon years of experience hanging out with peace officers including the APD SWAT team (back when patrol officers formed the SWAT team prior to the formation of a full time dedicated SWAT team) in the field and on the range and the DPS Governor's security detail (both at the command post and at the range) amongst others so I've been around folks who have a clue about how to conduct actual bona fide training not a bunch of dipshits playing with guns who couldn't find their ass with both hands.

[Hitch]

My opinion is based upon years of experience hanging out with peace officers including the APD SWAT team (back when patrol officers formed the SWAT team prior to the formation of a full time dedicated SWAT team) in the field and on the range and the DPS Governor's security detail (both at the command post and at the range) amongst others so I've been around folks who have a clue about how to conduct actual bona fide training not a bunch of dipshits playing with guns who couldn't find their ass with both hands.

So what's your thoughts on why this sight was installed backwards? I'd imagine, SWAT guys have their guns loaded and ready to go at a moments notice. Maybe he accidentally installed it backwards cleaning it, hard to imagine that when your life is on the line when you need it.

All my training was with a Glock 27. Some shotgun training. One of the reasons I like the Glock so much, is we'd train in the mud and rain. We were trained to unload the mag and let it drop on the ground. We'd have another mag inserted before that one hit the ground...from the belt that fast. Later we'd load up that muddy magazine and keep on going. I had very few jams, out of 1000s and 1000s of rounds through that gun. It earned my trust. Even when soaking wet and muddy.

[Mouse]

I don't have any LE training and your suggestion that they purposefully put the sight on backwards for training is purely retarded. Making assumptions on the chambered state of any weapon gets people killed, so I would doubt that these fucking wannabe stormtroopers did that for training. They are just stupid kids playing cowboys and indians.

[Uncle Salty]

That is without a doubt one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. I have one of those EOTech sights, the one mounted backwards in that photo is a XPS2 or XPS3. It does not work when mounted backwards, period. What good is training if your fucking optic isn't working?? That's just plain stupid. If what you're suggesting is SOP, then that is just another example that there is an active effort to make sure the intelligence levels of LEO recruits are no higher than that of retards.

When seconds count, retarded cops are only minutes away.

That was funny as shit.

[Hitch]

I don't have any LE training and your suggestion that they purposefully put the sight on backwards for training is purely retarded.

Can you safely shoot a gun with the sight on backwards? (Think rules of firearm safety).

No, you can't. It should be obvious you are using a training weapon.

Training is training, you don't use live guns during some training scenarios anyway. Put a sight on backwards might make sense for some training drills. Drills with no live fire.

It was a bad suggestion, but that's my reason. Piss off!

[Mouse]

Can you safely shoot a gun with the sight on backwards? (Think rules of firearm safety).

No, you can't. It should be obvious you are using a training weapon.

Training is training, you don't use live guns during some training scenarios anyway. Put a sight on backwards might make sense for some training drills. Drills with no live fire.

It was a bad suggestion, but that's my reason. Piss off!


OK, Pissing off right now. Look out below Gilligan!

[Horn]

It was a bad suggestion, but that's my reason. Piss off!

You need more emoticon.

Don't mount them backwards.

[Dogman]

OK, Pissing off right now. Look out below Gilligan! Umbrella deployed, http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41X4DJo9UdL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

And slicker donned!

http://www.petmountain.com/photos/product/standard/114420S503690/dog-rainwear/yellow-raincoat-with-hood.jpg

Wish you ass hats would keep me out of your squabbles!


;D


My viewpoint on gun training is as long as it works and people are safe and do not shoot themselves or others, its all good. As long as safety is observed at all times.

What ever works to get the lesson across.

[vacuum]

They have such a glut of new, high-tech equipment, that they don't even know how to use half of it.

[Hitch]

My viewpoint on gun training is as long as it works and people are safe and do not shoot themselves or others, its all good. As long as safety is observed at all times.

What ever works to get the lesson across.

Yup, indeed. What the heck do I know anyway.

The proper way to train with guns of course is to stand at a range, get your proper stance, and hit paper targets. That's what they tell us. God forbid folks train for scenarios, actual real life situations...

I challenge anyone here to get 50 people together and make sure those guns are rendered safe for everyone. You'd be surprised at what ideas come out of that.

Dog pile on me about my 'retarded' suggestion...

[Horn]

I challenge anyone here to get 50 people together and make sure those guns are rendered safe for everyone.

4581

[midnight rambler]

I challenge anyone here to get 50 people together and make sure those guns are rendered safe for everyone. You'd be surprised at what ideas come out of that.


Easy. Have all 50 retards put blank firing adapters on their rifles. That's what the DoD does with the cannon fodder.

[Hitch]

Easy. Have all 50 retards put blank firing adapters on their rifles. That's what the DoD does with the cannon fodder.

Retard 51 here with a question, how do all the other retards know there's a blank firing adapter in those guns? Is it visible to everyone? IE...if I look down a brother retards gun, can I see for myself it's safe for training? (I honestly don't know)

Then again, if DoD says it's OK, than it must be. I'll stop asking questions now.

[sirgonzo420]

Retard 51 here with a question, how do all the other retards know there's a blank firing adapter in those guns? Is it visible to everyone? IE...if I look down a brother retards gun, can I see for myself it's safe for training? (I honestly don't know)

Then again, if DoD says it's OK, than it must be. I'll stop asking questions now.

This is required for the weapon to cycle properly when using blanks:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-22-68/image799.gif

[Horn]

http://www.stellaparker.com/funny1/pics/1999/Polish%20pistol.gif

[Hitch]

I'm not buying these arguments, my apologies, folks.

[Horn]

This is a re-post


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfVZjbyzFGQ

[Hitch]

This is a re-post


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfVZjbyzFGQ

Be sure to give the TPTB a donut too, while you are at it.

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oKyPE8P-d4

[Mouse]

I'm not buying these arguments, my apologies, folks.

Hey man, what's to argue? The dipshit showed up with his pants on backwards. It was not training day. I think you have derailed the thread by turning it into an argument over what constitutes a safe training practice (which mounting your dot backwards certainly is not). The fucking idiot showed up to work with his sight on backwards. End of argument.

It's got me thinking that these guys are actors, which disturbs me even more.

[Hitch]

It's got me thinking that these guys are actors, which disturbs me even more.

Bingo, now you are getting it. Close, at least.

Simple question, who benefits when people think cops are retards?

[Horn]

Bingo, now you are getting it. Close, at least.

Simple question, who benefits when //snip-slice// cops are retards?

Nobody benefits from retarded cops.

[Hitch]

Nobody benefits from retarded cops.

That is what you see. That is not reality.

[Rubberchicken]

It wasn't training as the article clearly states "The image came from a report on WKTV about an overnight standoff between law enforcement and an alleged killer hiding in building in Herkimer, N.Y."

Which concerns me further as to why arent they wearing headgear and eye protection yet they have those bad-ass looking gloves on. Are those standard issue?

People who think cops are retards are the winners because they learned to avoid retards...

[Horn]

That is what you see. That is not reality.

Go on, Obiwan...

http://flowtationdevices.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/kenobi_011.jpg

[Hitch]

People who think cops are retards are the winners because they learned to avoid retards...

Nope. The exact opposite. Not on the internet however.

[Horn]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/03/16/article-2294225-18B384F9000005DC-172_634x476.jpg

What's with the DarthVader collar, R-chicken?

[midnight rambler]

It's got me thinking that these guys are actors

They ARE actors...corporate state actors. And the ones who think of themselves as uber cool call themselves 'operators', which for those who are unaware is a commercial term.

[Horn]

I've thought it thru, and the only people who benefit from retarded cops are the cops and the criminals.

As they multiply due to ineffectiveness.

Every cop on the street = 2 more guys out of a real job, and turned to criminal theft.

[midnight rambler]

Kinda hard to miss a BFA -

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSDm3l-kat02XgIsg24e4ILS60-1QmJxjK_HVBZmDnhS8qTtZ2vUw

[midnight rambler]

Being a cop is perfectly suited for those who are unable to earn a living via honest work.

[Hitch]

I've thought it thru, and the only people who benefit from retarded cops are the cops and the criminals.

As they multiply due to ineffectiveness.

Do you think the design is for retarded cops, or for people to think those cops are retarded? The 'criminals' who pull the strings, what benefits them the most?

[Horn]

Its quite obvious the banksters are trying to kill any economy as quickly and efficiently as possible,

retarded cops could help speed that aim.

[Hitch]

Its quite obvious the banksters are trying to kill any economy as quickly and efficiently as possible,

retarded cops could help speed that aim.

It wasn't long ago the cops would side with the people. If the people are programmed to hate cops, and think they are retards, human psychology is at work here. The cops are balancing right now which side to fall on...the hand that feeds them, or the people that despise them.

[Rubberchicken]

It wasn't long ago the cops would side with the people. If the people are programmed to hate cops, and think they are retards, human psychology is at work here. The cops are balancing right now which side to fall on...the hand that feeds them, or the people that despise them.

You have gone full retard, I could eat bowl of alphabet soup and shit a better argument than that. Cops have never sided with the people and the cops are not going to bite the hand that feeds them. Der

[Hitch]

You have gone full retard, I could eat bowl of alphabet soup and shit a better argument than that. Cops have never sided with the people and the cops are not going to bite the hand that feeds them. Der

The hands that feed them is YOU. You, me, everyone on this forum, we are the customers. Our taxes pay their salary. They swear an oath to uphold the constitution and protect and serve the people. Us.

Apparently, the spirit of law enforcement has been long forgotten...by you, and by them.

Human psychology. If the collective ridicule chastise and disrespect a certain group of people. That certain group of people eventually just says "fuck it". I can hear the badges plot in the water right now anticipating the upcoming collapse.

[Horn]

It wasn't long ago the cops would side with the people. If the people are programmed to hate cops, and think they are retards, human psychology is at work here. The cops are balancing right now which side to fall on...the hand that feeds them, or the people that despise them.

If current force reductions are any indication it could be the birth pangs for a new era of storm troopers.

Programmed or not the end sum remains the same.

Cops as an initial program would need to be removed from the equation in their entirety, as an only peaceful alternative.

4584

Cops would call that hate. TpTb would call it their weakness.

[Hitch]

That's a deep thought, Horn.

If cops go however, the Constitution goes with them, imo. Bring on the .gov stormtroopers.

[Norweger]

Must be fake news. Can't see how a cop can mess up that royally.

[Dogman]

Here in the surrounding county's all the sheriffs have publicly stated that they will defend the constitution. And several chief's of police have stated the same, my town's included. They are basically daring the fed's to bring it on. As something to do, for several years I monitor the local and county cops just to keep up of what is happening. I have all of their frequency's including the hidden ones. But they also are using cell phones to pass on the "juicy" info sometimes. So I pretty much know what is happening.

Bad cops here do not stay on the job long in this area.

Any cops here that turn ass hat, do not stay on the job very long if enough people get pissed at them and create a stink. Their bosses are elected and like to keep their jobs. The ones in this area over all are not bad as things go. I know for a fact it could get worse, but for now not so bad.

Tho other parts of the country and larger city's now that can be another story and is a whole different thing. Just like the saying that it takes one bad apple to ruin a barrel.

Some places have more than one bad apple in the barrel and those we do hear about.

[Hitch]

Here in the surrounding county's all the sheriffs have publicly stated that they will defend the constitution. And several chief's of police have stated the same, my town's included. They are basically daring the fed's to bring it on. As something to do, for several years I monitor the local and county cops just to keep up of what is happening. I have all of their frequency's including the hidden ones. But they also are using cell phones to pass on the "juicy" info sometimes. So I pretty much know what is happening.

I've been keeping one eye on this for years...to see the public's view of cops go downhill.

Here's one thing about cops. They love the Constitution. They love guns. You don't become a cop if do not have those passions.

There's a media agenda to make cops look like idiots. To place fear into the public as well. This is by design. TPTB know what they are doing, and are manipulating folks. It's easy to bash cops.

One cop, soft spoken guy who trained us in defense tactics. He was a world champ in martial arts, flew to Russia to kick someone's ass for the title. He said he likes people to think he eats donuts all day. When people think you are weak, they treat you like you are weak. That can give you strength.

[Rubberchicken]

I don't pay taxes for the tit-sucking swine I live in an unincorporated area. County sheriff are the responders. As far as the county sheriffs standing up to the .gov they need to be real careful about what they promise and what they can actually deliver on.
Put Not Your Trust In Federalized Sheriffs

William N. Grigg
FreedomInOurTime.blogspot.com
January 21, 2013


“I will not enforce an unconstitutional law against any citizen of Smith County,” insisted Sheriff Larry Smith. The sheriff wants his constituents to believe that he would refuse to participate in a federally mandated gun grab, or permit one to be carried out by federal officials within his jurisdiction. Yet ten days before Smith offered that assurance, his office had taken part in an early-morning SWAT rampage throughout East Texas in which 73 warrants were served as part of the federal government’s patently unconstitutional war on drugs.

During a December 2011 campaign debate, Smith said that he wanted to “invest more resources” – that is, redirect wealth plundered from the productive – into a “Drug Task Force,” and insisted that under his administration the Sheriff’s Office would embrace a “Task Force mentality” in dealing with law enforcement issues.
The problem with the mindset Sheriff Smith was extoling should become obvious once it’s understood that the German term for “task force” is einsatzgruppe. By their actions many multi-jurisdictional task forces in contemporary America are increasingly faithful to their historic pedigree.
Smith’s devotion to narcotics task forces might be the residue of his early law enforcement career, which included two years as a special agent for the Drug Enforcement Administration – an agency that could be considered the mentally deficient stepchild of the CIA, which is the world’s largest narcotics syndicate.

Twenty years ago, an ATF einsatzgruppe launched a murderous raid against an isolated religious group at Mt. Carmel outside Waco. The warrant they were enforcing was clotted with falsehoods. The investigation that produced it was haphazard. Its target, Vernon Howell — aka David Koresh — was suspected of trivial violations of federal firearms regulations, and had indicated his eagerness to cooperate with ATF investigators to clear the record.
If an arrest were to be carried out – and one was neither necessary, nor justified – it could have been performed during one of Koresh’s frequent solitary jogging expeditions, or one of his routine visits to town. Instead, the ATF – seeking a dramatic, high-profile enforcement action to generate headlines for the scandal-plagued agency – staged a paramilitary assault on the religious sanctuary. They did so even though the raiders had lost the element of surprise, and when they arrived at Mt. Carmel they opened fire on the building despite the fact that an unarmed Koresh had confronted the stormtroopers with his hands up, pleading for them not to shoot.
Four ATF agents were killed during that Sunday morning raid. Their deaths were utterly unnecessary, and entirely well-deserved: They were attempting to murder innocent people, and the would-be victims acted within their rights in using deadly force to defend their homes against that assault. The criminal clique that had sent the ATF to attack the Davidians sent a larger contingent to lay siege to their residence, and eventually arranged for the holocaust that annihilated 76 people, including seventeen small children.

Like most gun owners in Eastern Texas, Smith can remember where he was the morning of April 19, 1993, when the Mt. Carmel refuge went up in flames. He was on the scene as an agent of the ATF, which he had joined in 1989. Smith believes that the initial ATF raid on the Davidians was justified, and that the entire operation was at least a partial success. It’s doubtful that his assessment is shared by many gun owners in his jurisdiction.
Larry Smith is among dozens of sheriffs who have gone on record in opposition to the Obama administration’s impending firearms restrictions. All of them have promised to intervene to protect their counties from federal tyranny. And all of them are active collaborators in the same.

Kieran Donahue was sworn in as the new Sheriff of Canyon County, Idaho on January 14. Three days later he joined the ranks of “refusenik sheriffs” by promising not to implement any federal gun policy at odds with his responsibility to “uphold the Constitution.”
Unfortunately, that resolute statement of principled defiance was fatally undermined when Donahue – in the same press conference — expressed his willingness to continue his office’s collaboration in the federal “war on drugs” and displayed his indecent eagerness to accept new federal subsidies to deploy deputies to guard public schools as soon as the funds are available.
Wendy Olson, the official assigned by the regime to act as the federal regime’s legal sub-commissarina for Idaho, has said that her office will fully comply with new federal firearms mandates. She pointedly noted that the Canyon County Sheriff’s Office – like most others in the country – has officers who are cross-deputized to serve on federal einsatzgruppen. During last year’s campaign the future sheriff proudly boasted of his work as an “undercover officer” with the FBI-supervised METRO Violent Crime and Gang Task Force.
“In these changing and difficult economic times it is a great benefit to have all law enforcement agencies working together in order to share costs and resources,” insisted Donahue. Those words will almost certainly come back to haunt Canyon County gun owners when – not “if” – the Feds make it clear that they are willing to “share resources” only with sheriff’s offices who are on board with the gun grab.

Donahue insisted on playing coy about the fact that he’s for sale. Fresno County Sheriff Margaret Mims was shameless. She told the local ABC affiliate that while she will not enforce unconstitutional gun laws, she also “backs the added funding for local law enforcement, especially in schools.”
Her office has a huge budget, a small but significant portion of which is derived from proceeds seized through a federally supervised “asset forfeiture” program.
In 2009, Mims was the “local” face that was pasted onto the Obama administration’s “Operation Save Our Sierra” marijuana crack-down, which was personally supervised by federal Drug War Commissar Gil Kerlikowske. This campaign involved 300 personnel from local, state, and federal agencies – including military pilots that flew Black Hawk helicopters over targeted areas. The manpower and hardware were deployed in a mission best described as militarized horticulture. It’s quite easy to see how the personnel and assets used against “illegal” plants could be employed to confiscate “illegal” firearms in the future.

A few years ago, when Mims and her department faced a $4 million budget deficit, the Fresno County commission had to scrounge up $10.6 million in plundered funds to prevent layoffs in the Sheriff’s Office. That money most likely won’t be available next time Sheriff Mims wants to avoid handing pink slips to her deputies. It’s quite easy to imagine a scenario in which her federal supervisors will introduce her to a new variety of alchemy — converting confiscated “illegal” firearms into federal subsidies.
Four sheriffs in Oregon have announced their opposition to the renewed campaign to disarm citizens. Among them is Sheriff Brian Wolfe of Malheur County (who, in the interests of full disclosure, is a childhood friend). In a letter to Vice President Biden, Sheriff Wolfe declared: “I believe that the Constitution stands above all laws and executive orders of this Country. I want to be very clear that no one employed on our team at the Malheur County Sheriff’s Office will enforce or support any laws or executive orders that are not consistent with the Constitution of this great land.”

If only those inspiring words were consonant with Sheriff Wolfe’s actions. Like every other sheriff in the country, Brian Wolfe violates the Constitution on a routine basis.
Last August, the Malheur County Sheriff’s Department casually announced that it had found several small marijuana gardens during a two-week aerial surveillance operation conducted with the help of the National Guard.
Acting as the department’s official stenographer, the Argus Observer newspaper reported that Sheriff Brian Wolfe will now “contact property owners and acquire search warrants if needed.” Warrants would not be necessary, Wolfe observed, if the property owners consented to the searches. The Sheriff pointed out that the plants may be part of legal medicinal marijuana operations, or could have been planted without the owner’s knowledge or consent.

At this point an actual journalist would have asked Wolfe why his office was conducting warrantless aerial searches of private property without probable cause. After all, the Sheriff has admitted that none of the property owners was a criminal suspect.
The Malheur County Sheriff’s Department spends part of each summer arresting marijuana plants – that is, dispatching its SWAT team to barren locations in rural Oregon to clear out patches of marijuana.
Sheriff Wolfe insists this is necessary to “protect the public,” which is more acutely threatened by the unconstitutional, paramilitary operations of his own department. Wolfe’s department spends a great deal of time seizing contraband and prosecuting people who possess it. That experience will prove quite useful when – once again, not “if” – the Feds decide to treat legally owned firearms as illicit contraband.
There isn’t a single county sheriff’s office in the country that hasn’t compromised itself by accepting federal funds, and collaborating in unconstitutional federal enforcement operations. They’ve long since lost their innocence, but are pretending that they’ve just noticed that fact.
Nothing in the U.S. Constitution authorizes the Feds to prohibit the consumption of narcotics or any other substance. Indeed, last time the Feds undertook a campaign of national prohibition, they had to change the Constitution in order to do so. Unless they’re investigating charges of treason or counterfeiting, sheriffs should not collaborate with the Feds – and in such circumstances the Feds themselves should be treated as the primary suspects.
If you take the nickel, you take the noose. If a sheriff’s office receives so much as a farthing of federal funding, it will be subject to federal mandates. That principle was underscored about seven years ago in the case of Josh Wolf, a 24-year-old video blogger imprisoned for refusing to turn over a portion of footage he shot of tumultuous street protests during the G-8 summit in San Francisco.

The Feds claim that Wolf, who spent two-thirds of a year in prison on civil contempt charges, possessed footage of a police car being set on fire. Wolf maintained that he didn’t have the material the Feds were after, and that under California’s very liberal journalist shield law, he wasn’t required to turn over his confidential, unpublished material. A Federal District Court Judge ignored Wolf’s argument and incarcerated him in a detention center in Dublin, California for contempt.
The alleged assault on a San Francisco police car would be a municipal matter, and the California shield law is obviously a question of state law. Why was this dealt with in a federal court?
As Time magazine pointed out: “The Feds say they have jurisdiction over the case because the police car is partly U.S. government property since the SFPD receives federal anti-terrorism money.”
Note well that the Feds didn’t claim that the regime paid for the specific cars that were reportedly destroyed, only that the police department had been subsumed into the federal law enforcement apparatus because it had received some quantity of Homeland Security funding.
What this means, in principle, is that any police agency that receives a dime of federal Homeland Security money is effectively an appendage of the Department of Homeland Security (or, to use the appropriate German expression, the Heimatsicherheitsdienst).
This is obviously true of municipal police departments, which are innately illegitimate paramilitary bodies in no way accountable to the public they supposedly serve. We’re invited to believe that local elected sheriffs are different – at least where the incipient gun grab is concerned.

The ranks of the refuseniks will continue to expand, and they will feed gun owners a steady diet of bold talk about their willingness to interpose on behalf of their constituents if the Feds come for their guns. Some of them may be sincerely committed to do so. But until they stop actively collaborating in existing federal abuses, why should we assume they would be willing to take the side of the public against the Feds when the Regime decides to come for our guns?
By Way of Illustration…
… we see the following act of felonious assault and kidnapping by Citrus County, Florida Deputy Sheriff Andy Cox, who threatens to murder innocent, law-abiding gun owner. It took less than two seconds for this this cretinous, foul-mouthed tax-feeder to drop the pose of superficial geniality. His first instinct, on learning that this harmless man was armed, was to threaten to murder him, because he had been indoctrinated in the belief that Mundanes simply cannot be permitted to bear arms.
When assessing the credibility of “constitutional sheriffs” as protectors of the right to bear arms, bear in mind that sheriffs are politicians and administrators; the patrol officers in their departments are people like Andy Cox.

[Twisted Titan]

Dude this thread is legendary........... i havent stopped cracking up since the first post.

[Horn]

I've been keeping one eye on this for years...to see the public's view of cops go downhill.

The policy enforcers have taken hook line and sinker any and all bait offered by the state. (as well as have all other dependent agencies have) they breached the Constitutional lines away from "We The People" towards only an entity of the state.

Most are probably fully prepared to take it to the next level of .gov trooper status.

What else would a trapped pig do, but shit where it eats?

[Horn]

Tho other parts of the country and larger city's now that can be another story and is a whole different thing. Just like the saying that it takes one bad apple to ruin a barrel.

Some places have more than one bad apple in the barrel and those we do hear about.

Who was that one guy who said he returned from the future, and the cities were at war with the country?

[Dogman]

Who was that one guy who said he returned from the future, and the cities were at war with the country?

??

Something you read or maybe saw in a movie?

What I posted is what the reality of my area as I see it, and the way the people that I talk to see it, about our local stuff.



Edit: For my post #49 in this thread.

New thing, they just went digital on one channel ...............*&&^^**#@

Soon here it looks like no one will be able to monitor the po po to keep them straight.
(note to myself, new goal, find ways to crack it)

[joboo]

http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/861722/83154815.gif

[Dogman]

http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/861722/83154815.gif


Funny you posted this..

I am getting tired of ..........


but maybe I am here only for entertainment (quote from gaillo)

This forum has potential of being a very good one , but then we have the ..


But I can dream of this forum being what it could be..

[Awoke]

Who is Hitcher?

He is a returner for sure. Sock.

[woodman]

Who is Hitcher?

He is a returner for sure. Sock.

Hitcher is Solid aka Liquid aka Slowbell.

[Dogman]

Who is Hitcher?

He is a returner for sure. Sock.


Hitcher is Solid aka Liquid aka Slowbell.

Some are like me, real people that post, but because of many factors may do one of many things, I have had several names over the years of the forums, usually I would get drunk as a skunk or even past that and post some dumb shit. And when I recovered I would be so ashamed that I would quit and in time rejoin under another name because I was ashamed of the name I posted my drunk rants under.

Solid/liquid/hitcher, etc,etc is sorta like me when I was still green and my skin was thin, like me he is a real person that is posting not trying to hide , like several here seem to relish to do!

He has principles that he was raised by and does believe, Like myself!

There are several here the like to hide and stir the pot hidden by the anonymity of the web and post behind that wall,

there are a few real people that post as themselves, that are not afraid of being real, and showing their very human faults for the world to see.

I do know this, if the shit ever hits the fan and I have a choice...solid/hitcher and some others on this board, I would welcome them to defend my back as I would theirs.

Unlike some here that I would not want them even in my state because of viewpoints/beliefs or character.

His only problem is not a problem for most, he believes in core values that some take issue with and then knowingly post because they know it will get him going trying to defend his values. Of which many are mine also. There are for sure some pot stirrers here.

He needs to grow a thicker skin and learn when confronted with ass hats the proper time to walk away and ignore numnuts that want to drag him down to their level.


;D

[woodman]

Some are like me, real people that post, but because of many factors may do one of many things, I have had several names over the years of the forums, usually I would get drunk as a skunk or even past that and post some dumb shit. And when I recovered I would be so ashamed that I would quit and in time rejoin under another name because I was ashamed of the name I posted my drunk rants under.

Solid/liquid/hitcher, etc,etc is sorta like me when I was still green and my skin was thin, like me he is a real person that is posting not trying to hide , like several here seem to relish to do!

He has principles that he was raised by and does believe, Like myself!

There are several here the like to hide and stir the pot hidden by the anonymity of the web and post behind that wall,

there are a few real people that post as themselves, that are not afraid of being real, and showing their very human faults for the world to see.

I do know this, if the shit ever hits the fan and I have a choice...solid/hitcher and some others on this board, I would welcome them to defend my back as I would theirs.

Unlike some here that I would not want them even in my state because of viewpoints/beliefs or character.

His only problem is not a problem for most, he believes in core values that some take issue with and then knowingly post because they know it will get him going trying to defend his values. Of which many are mine also. There are for sure some pot stirrers here.

He needs to grow a thicker skin and learn when confronted with ass hats the proper time to walk away and ignore numnuts that want to drag him down to their level.


;D

I have had my share of assinine posts. I am sometimes quick to anger and my tongue gets sharp. I usually regret this later. I am what I am.

As far as Solid goes, I have nothing personal against him but I am quick to debate his love of law enforcers who I believe are nothing more than criminal gang members with a go-ahead from thier corporate masters. He chimes in on any thread where law enforcement is being belittled. He certainly has his agenda, does he not? Again, we all have agendas. I believe most on this board are genuine. We have our spats and fits and rants. We are genuine people. I have no doubt there are gatekeepers paid to be here. I won't go into who I believe they are. That is for a different thread.

Anyone who cannot hold their own in honest debate, simply should throw in the towel and quit debating their point. If your position is so weak that you cannot defend it, then stop defending it. If you are so weak, you are unable to defend your position, maybe you are too weak to aspire to hold said position. If you cannot say your say without getting your tit in a wringer, go away and quit debating until you get your head right.

[Dogman]

I have had my share of assinine posts. I am sometimes quick to anger and my tongue gets sharp. I usually regret this later. I am what I am.

As far as Solid goes, I have nothing personal against him but I am quick to debate his love of law enforcers who I believe are nothing more than criminal gang members with a go-ahead from thier corporate masters. He chimes in on any thread where law enforcement is being belittled. He certainly has his agenda, does he not? Again, we all have agendas. I believe most on this board are genuine. We have our spats and fits and rants. We are genuine people. I have no doubt there are gatekeepers paid to be here. I won't go into who I believe they are. That is for a different thread.

Anyone who cannot hold their own in honest debate, simply should throw in the towel and quit debating their point. If your position is so weak that you cannot defend it, then stop defending it. If you are so weak, you are unable to defend your position, maybe you are too weak to aspire to hold said position. If you cannot say your say without getting your tit in a wringer, go away and quit debating until you get your head right.Totally agree, there can be times that it is best to stop and concede defeat, because you can not make your case.

Sorta like pissing up wind in a hurricane.

[Dogman]

I have had my share of assinine posts. I am sometimes quick to anger and my tongue gets sharp. I usually regret this later. I am what I am.

As far as Solid goes, I have nothing personal against him but I am quick to debate his love of law enforcers who I believe are nothing more than criminal gang members with a go-ahead from thier corporate masters. He chimes in on any thread where law enforcement is being belittled. He certainly has his agenda, does he not? Again, we all have agendas. I believe most on this board are genuine. We have our spats and fits and rants. We are genuine people. I have no doubt there are gatekeepers paid to be here. I won't go into who I believe they are. That is for a different thread.

Anyone who cannot hold their own in honest debate, simply should throw in the towel and quit debating their point. If your position is so weak that you cannot defend it, then stop defending it. If you are so weak, you are unable to defend your position, maybe you are too weak to aspire to hold said position. If you cannot say your say without getting your tit in a wringer, go away and quit debating until you get your head right. There may or not be "gatekeepers" here or not. In many ways this forum is so small that It is hard to think that "they that are above" even looks at us.

Tho that probably can change at a drop of a woman's wet panty's if any lines are crossed/intent for real harm shown.

I can say for sure there are some very "Paranoid" to the max members here that if anything their "rants" will draw attention to this forum.

[Hitch]

Kinda hard to miss a BFA -

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSDm3l-kat02XgIsg24e4ILS60-1QmJxjK_HVBZmDnhS8qTtZ2vUw

That is hard to miss. Can't train with simunitions with those however. Simunitions, by far, is the most real training experience out there. It really seems like you are being shot at.

I wonder if most LE even train with simunitions, or maybe I was just fortunate. I also wonder if DHS is training with simunitions.

http://simunition.com

[Horn]

'It's disturbing to think that 1) none of his buddies corrected it, and 2) he's in a real-life situation with his optic on backwards, which means he's never fired that rifle with the optic on it, which means it isn't zeroed and he thought it was OK to show up to a gunfight with an unzeroed weapon,' wrote one Reddit user.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294225/SWAT-officer-attracts-ridicule-s-pictured-rifle-sight-backwards.html

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[horseshoe3]

OK, I read this thread last night and something occured to me then. I tested it out this morning and I was right. When an EOTech is mounted backwards, it functions like a window. You can't see the dot projected on the glass, but you can see through it just fine. The guy in the photo had iron sights. If he was using the irons, he could have been just fine. The EOTech would have been extra weight and useless as a sight, but it would not have hindered his shooting.

Why he even had it on, then, is another question that I can not answer.

[midnight rambler]

OK, I read this thread last night and something occured to me then. I tested it out this morning and I was right. When an EOTech is mounted backwards, it functions like a window. You can't see the dot projected on the glass, but you can see through it just fine. The guy in the photo had iron sights. If he was using the irons, he could have been just fine. The EOTech would have been extra weight and useless as a sight, but it would not have hindered his shooting.

Why he even had it on, then, is another question that I can not answer.

I cannot fathom why such absolute stupidity is being justified. IF YOU DON'T WANT THE FUCKING RED DOT THEN THEN SIMPLY DON'T TURN ON THE FUCKING EOTECH!!!! THERE IS NO NEED TO REVERSE IT, THAT CANNOT POSSIBLY BE MORE RETARDED!!!! While the EOTech will come back to within 2 MOA when re-mounted, it's moronic to remove it and reverse it and mount it back again as that will require re-zeroing. The EOTech will co-witness (i.e. allow the use of the iron sights) on the AR/M4 platform as is.

BTW, anyone who cannot keep track of the status of their gun (i.e. what sort of ammo is in the magazine) while 'training' as a 'law enforcer' should not be allowed to handle guns (for the state), they are clearly incompetent retards.

Did anyone notice how retard #2 (with the Darth Vader collar) holding the 870 shotgun is trying to look cool with the way he's got his left hand on top of the stock? Obviously he has very little experience with a 12 ga. pump.

[Horn]

The guy in the photo had iron sights. If he was using the irons, he could have been just fine. The EOTech would have been extra weight and useless as a sight, but it would not have hindered his shooting.

Iron sights, or iron sight? The rear sight would be blocked from usage, no? Or at least hindered.

The window itself could not have been zeroed to target, if reversed is my understanding, and the EOTech blocked/hindered visibility to the rear sight?

Anyway the guy looks well groomed, and the sight probably looks more "badass" that way. His buddy was into raising his collar like some Dick Tracy character, so that's not too far from a basis.

[horseshoe3]

I cannot fathom why such absolute stupidity is being justified. IF YOU DON'T WANT THE FUCKING RED DOT THEN THEN SIMPLY DON'T TURN ON THE FUCKING EOTECH!!!! THERE IS NO NEED TO REVERSE IT, THAT CANNOT POSSIBLY BE MORE RETARDED!!!! While the EOTech will come back to within 2 MOA when re-mounted, it's moronic to remove it and reverse it and mount it back again as that will require re-zeroing. The EOTech will co-witness (i.e. allow the use of the iron sights) on the AR/M4 platform as is.

I didn't say he was justified in his stupidity. I said it wouldn't interfere with the irons that way. I don't think he took it off and mounted it backward, in fact I don't think he had any clue that it was on backward or how to use it correctly. Hell, he probably thought it was a tactical eye protector/polarizing anti glare device. I would guess it was issued to him and he stuck it on his gun in a random postion and never thought about it again.

[willie pete]

my first thought was this was/is on a tv/movie set and whoever the technical advisor was F'ed up

[Horn]

I would guess it was issued to him and he stuck it on his gun in a random postion and never thought about it again.

No, I'm sure he thought it looked cooler that way.

Look at how nice and trimmed up his hair is.

It even does that little pointed up thing curly Q flip in the front the way it supposed to.

[Hitch]

Did anyone notice how retard #2 (with the Darth Vader collar) holding the 870 shotgun is trying to look cool with the way he's got his left hand on top of the stock? Obviously he has very little experience with a 12 ga. pump.

LOL, that is funny. This photo now looks like something filmed for a movie or tv show, not a real life situation.

[horseshoe3]

Iron sights, or iron sight? The rear sight would be blocked from usage, no? Or at least hindered.

The window itself could not have been zeroed to target, if reversed is my understanding, and the EOTech blocked/hindered visibility to the rear sight?



The irons will be near the center of the window of the EOTech forward or backward. Like MR said, they co-witness. This is actually pretty handy. If you drop the rifle, you can check to make sure they are both sighted the same way. If they don't match, then something is wrong and you better find out what is the problem. Also, if you want to move the EOTech to another gun for a while, you can put it back and check the EOTech against the irons without firing a shot. If they don't align, move the EOTech to match the irons.

[Horn]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/03/16/article-2294225-18B384F9000005DC-172_634x476.jpg

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[horseshoe3]

No, I'm sure he thought it looked cooler that way.

Look at how nice and trimmed up his hair is.

It even does that little pointed up thing curly Q flip in the front the way it supposed to.

A young friend of mine does that, but his hair is longer. I told him it makes him look like a rhinoceros.

[Horn]

Did anyone notice how retard #2 (with the Darth Vader collar) holding the 870 shotgun is trying to look cool with the way he's got his left hand on top of the stock? Obviously he has very little experience with a 12 ga. pump.

He's got his finger deep in the hole too.

That guy looks even more suspect than the first.

[Hitch]

While we are critiquing this photo, where is Darth Vader's helmet? Same with EOTech guy. The only guy wearing a helmet is the guy sitting down. Why is he sitting down? He seems useless to me.

[Horn]

While we are critiquing this photo, where is Darth Vader's helmet? Same with EOTech guy. The only guy wearing a helmet is the guy sitting down. Why is he sitting down? He seems useless to me.

They're obviously doing some planning, but yeah looks opposite what it should be,

the brains should be behind cover & the helmet up covering.

[midnight rambler]

While we are critiquing this photo, where is Darth Vader's helmet? Same with EOTech guy. The only guy wearing a helmet is the guy sitting down. Why is he sitting down? He seems useless to me.

No need for a brain bucket when there's no brain there to protect. lol

[Hitch]

4590

I think I've figured this photo out. Vader, isn't SWAT, he's a beat cop. This explains no helmet, no vest, and no rifle but a shotgun. EOTech, is a rookie SWAT guy, which is why he forget his helmet and has his sight backwards. The third guy, isn't a cop, he's army from afghan.

Vader has his hand this way because he's whispering to EOTech. Here's the convo...

Vader: "Hey man...do you know what to do?"

EOTech: "Dude, it's my first day....I have no clue."

Vader: "OK then. Well, wtf is this army guy doing here then? His head is near my crotch."

[Horn]

Let me write the script for you next time Hitcher, per your requisite.

SWAT guy: "Hey what's up I just got here from the Barber, why are there 3 of us covering this same position, do you think we should like,, spread out?"

Darth Vader: Thinking to himself, "I will have my chance to go Wyatt Earp, Yet"

Army guy: Thinking, "If one of these two bumblers blows it, I'll either have a part time job, or a cruiser"

[Glass]

While we are critiquing this photo, where is Darth Vader's helmet? Same with EOTech guy. The only guy wearing a helmet is the guy sitting down. Why is he sitting down? He seems useless to me.

He's not sitting down. I think thats how tall he is.

[mick silver]

when you guys hunt dont you hold your gun like that also

[joboo]

I don't know how, but it will tie into the pope story eventually.

There are users here that have the magic powers to make it so.

[Neuro]

They are just vetting scenes/photos from the next false flag attack...

[Awoke]

There may or not be "gatekeepers" here or not. In many ways this forum is so small that It is hard to think that "they that are above" even looks at us.

I can say for sure there are some very "Paranoid" to the max members here that if anything their "rants" will draw attention to this forum.


wtf are you talking about? TPTB have sent (and continue to send) multiple shills and agents to this board, for trolling and datamining. Fuck's sake, Percival was an admitted SPLC agent and the GIM heirarchy were masons and government agents.

You're a fool if you think that TPTB are not watching this board with intensity.

[ronTsilver]

Hey! Rubberchicken. " I could eat bowl of alphabet soup and shit a better argument than that."
The best comeback I have ever heard. Do you mind if I quote you?
The Sheriff is the last bastion of our defense. He is a ruler unto himself as long as the status quo is sustained.