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Ponce
1st April 2013, 02:04 PM
Now the illegals will move to another city or state to be able to keep on getting their "benefits".
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SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — A judge accepted the California city of Stockton's bankruptcy application on Monday, making it the most populous city in the nation to enter bankruptcy.

U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Christopher Klein said the bankruptcy declaration was needed to allow the city to continue to provide basic services.

"It's apparent to me the city would not be able to perform its obligations to its citizens on fundamental public safety as well as other basic government services without the ability to have the muscle of the contract-impairing power of federal bankruptcy law," Klein said.

The city of nearly 300,000 people has become emblematic of government excess and the financial calamity that resulted when the nation's housing bubble burst.

Its salaries, benefits and borrowing were based on anticipated long-term developer fees and increasing property tax revenue. But those were lost in a flurry of foreclosures beginning in the mid-2000s and a 70 percent decline in the city's tax base

The city's creditors wanted to keep Stockton out of bankruptcy — a status that will likely allow the city to avoid repaying its debts in full.

They argued the city had not cut spending enough or sought a tax increase that would have allowed it to avoid bankruptcy.

Matthew Walsh, an attorney for the bond holders, declined to comment after Monday's ruling.

Attorneys for the city said the city's budget and services had been cut to the bone.

"There's nothing to celebrate about bankruptcy," said Bob Deis, Stockton's city manager. "But it is a vindication of what we've been saying for nine months."

The Chapter 9 bankruptcy case is being closely watched nationally for potential precedent-setting implications.

The $900 million that Stockton owes to the California Public Employees' Retirement System to cover pension promises is its biggest debt. So far Stockton has kept up with pension payments while it has reneged on other debts, maintaining that it needs a strong pension plan to retain its pared-down workforce.

The creditors who challenged Stockton's bankruptcy petition are the bond insurers who guaranteed $165 million in loans the city secured in 2007 to pay its contributions to the CalPERS pension fund. That debt got out of hand as property tax values plummeted during the recession, and money to pay the pension obligation fell short.

Legal observers expect the creditors to aggressively challenge Stockton's repayment plan in the next phase of the process.

By 2009 Stockton had accumulated nearly $1 billion in debt on civic improvements, money owed to pay pension contributions, and the most generous health care benefit in the state — coverage for life for all retirees plus a dependent, no matter how long they had worked for the city.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2013-04-01/stockton-bankruptcy-decision-only-the-beginning

Cebu_4_2
1st April 2013, 02:11 PM
No mention of the C.A.F.R. funds?

Hatha Sunahara
1st April 2013, 05:49 PM
Do you expect them to admit that they 'hid' taxpayer money for many decades in a place that hardly anybody knows about?


Hatha

Cebu_4_2
1st April 2013, 07:50 PM
Do you expect them to admit that they 'hid' taxpayer money for many decades in a place that hardly anybody knows about?


Hatha

Well of course I would, this is a transparent government.

Sparky
1st April 2013, 10:52 PM
This really is a big deal. The entire global debt crisis is about who's going to get paid and who isn't going to get paid. Across Europe, they keep kicking the can by deferring this difficult decision, and loaning new money so that everyone gets paid, while creating entirely new debt in its place. In the US, the government created new trillions to ensure that everyone got paid.

But in Stockton, which cannot create its own fiat, the bankruptcy process will now move forward, and someone will have to make judgement as to who takes the massive losses. This will set a precedent for all the other municipalities in debt trouble, and set the tone for sovereign nations as well. Do creditors take the loss, instilling a new hesitancy to loan money, thus driving up interest rate to encourage new credit? Or do the pensions take the loss, impacting millions of middle class taxpayers, thereby risking a social revolution? This is the choice at hand.

In the slow motion train wreck that we are watching, this is the train moving forward one full car length.

Twisted Titan
2nd April 2013, 06:08 AM
its the only way the public employs will ever feel the sting.

they think working for the municipality makes them invincible..

it warms my heart when reality finally sets in.

Detroit is the future.

Twisted Titan
2nd April 2013, 06:09 AM
or you can send Bill Maher there so he can do the liberal thing and pay his "fair share"

jimswift
2nd April 2013, 06:11 AM
What was that Cali city back a couple few years ago that kicked off the municipal bankruptcy talk?

gunDriller
2nd April 2013, 07:10 AM
What was that Cali city back a couple few years ago that kicked off the municipal bankruptcy talk?

Orange County went bankrupt 15-20 years ago.

but that's generally a wealthy area.

Carl
2nd April 2013, 08:07 AM
C.A.F.R. funds are stuck credit. They pull them, the system collapses, the funds go "POOF!", everybody gets nothing.

They exist as an "Unrealizable Ideal".

Ponzi scheme credit is funny like that...

mick silver
2nd April 2013, 08:29 AM
here in my state the state worker fund is 30 billion short , i am waiting to see how bad they tax as all here to pay the state worker retirement

Spectrism
2nd April 2013, 05:12 PM
The $900 million that Stockton owes to the California Public Employees' Retirement System to cover pension promises is its biggest debt. So far Stockton has kept up with pension payments while it has reneged on other debts, maintaining that it needs a strong pension plan to retain its pared-down workforce.



Sure. I believe that.

How many private sector jobs offer pension plans? Not mine!!! Not ever!! There is some employer contribution through profit-sharing but the profits are cut by excessive taxes so the public sector can maintain their rich pension plans.

The question is not only who will get paid but who will get burned as well. In a bankruptcy, they may dissolve pension plans. I bet taxes won't be going down.