drone industry worried about drone hunting season

[Large Sarge]

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/03/22/first-person-to-shoot-down-drone-will-be-a-hero-industry-worries

[mick silver]

irst Person to Shoot Down Drone Will Be a 'Hero,' Industry WorriesWith public down on drones, industry worries citizens will try to crash unmanned police aircraftBy JASON KOEBLER (http://www.usnews.com/topics/author/jason_koebler)

March 22, 2013 RSS Feed (http://www.usnews.com/rss/news) Print (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/03/22/first-person-to-shoot-down-drone-will-be-a-hero-industry-worries_print.html)http://www.usnews.com/pubdbimages/image/45828/FE_DA_130321_drone425x283.jpgA French soldier guards a Hartford drone in Niger. Drone makers are worried about the negative stigma attached to the technology.

The domestic drone industry has an image problem that's gotten so bad that they worry the public might try to shoot down unmanned aircraft used by law enforcement, proponents of the technology said at an industry meeting in Arlington, Va., Thursday.
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"There's a pervasive belief that these are going to be used to spy—this is what our country is thinking, it's what they're being told, it's what they're assuming and seeing in the media," Steve Ingley, executive director of the Airborne Law Enforcement Association, said Thursday. "At this point, the first person who shoots down a [drone] will be a hero."
Ingley says the advent of companies such as the Oregon-based Domestic Drone Countermeasures—which plans to sell a box that makes drones "unable to complete their missions" without shooting them down—indicates that the public misunderstands what law enforcement wants to use unmanned aircraft for.
[READ: Company to Sell Anti-Drone Technology to Public (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/03/15/oregon-company-to-sell-drone-defense-technology-to-public)]
It's a sentiment that has been expressed before—conservative commentator Judge Andrew Napolitano said on Fox News last year (http://rt.com/usa/judge-napolitano-drone-government-430/) that "the first American patriot that shoots down one of these drones that comes too close to his children in his backyard will be an American hero."
Though no law enforcement drones have been shot down in American skies, there have been several reports of citizens downing private or hobbyist drones. Last year, an animal rights group drone that was monitoring a "pigeon shoot" near a South Carolina shooting club was shot by members of the club.

While shooting down a police drone that is operating with permission of the Federal Aviation Administration is almost certainly illegal, Americans aren't so sure that it should be. According to a Reason/Rupe poll (http://reason.com/assets/db/13620384648046.pdf) conducted last month, nearly half of Americans believe that they have the "right to destroy" a drone that flies too close to their house. Nearly two thirds of Americans said they'd be worried about local police drones invading their privacy.
Ingley contends that the drones law enforcement are most interested in can only fly for 15 minutes at a time and would be used only during dangerous situations or during search and rescue missions. "Persistent surveillance" on citizens, he says, is better accomplished by land-based cameras.
[READ: Law Enforcement Blinded by Public 'Panic' Over Drones (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/03/21/law-enforcement-blindsided-by-public-panic-over-drone-privacy)]
Jay McConville, President of the DC Capitol Chapter of the Association for Unmanned Vehicle Systems International, says that the industry has to do a better job of differentiating their aircraft from the ones that perform airstrikes in the Middle East.
"We've got a job to do to make sure the benefits of unmanned systems are known. There's a lot of work to do to make sure [drone implementation] doesn't get throttled and delayed and stopped by legislation," he said. "This technology is dragging us into the future, but we have to make sure we do the right things so people will trust in the technology we bring."
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[messianicdruid]

"This technology is dragging us into the future, but we have to make sure we do the right things so people will trust in the technology we bring."

It is not the technology that is untrustworthy.

[General of Darkness]

I wonder if a microwave gun would disable a drone?

[Heimdhal]

I wonder if a microwave gun would disable a drone?

you'd need something the size of large metropolitan airports radar array and some serious, serious energy consumption.

[Cebu_4_2]

Yes a bullet would be much more cost effective.

[ShortJohnSilver]

I wonder if a microwave gun would disable a drone?

You don't need to kill, just interrupt its telemetry and communications - if you are lucky, it will then fall out of the sky. It could be done if you knew what frequency it was communicating on. If Wifi or a close frequency, you could pump a bunch of noise through an old EchoStar dish.

[General of Darkness]

You don't need to kill, just interrupt its telemetry and communications - if you are lucky, it will then fall out of the sky. It could be done if you knew what frequency it was communicating on. If Wifi or a close frequency, you could pump a bunch of noise through an old EchoStar dish.

SJS is there a home made version of this?

[Cebu_4_2]

You don't need to kill, just interrupt its telemetry and communications - if you are lucky, it will then fall out of the sky. It could be done if you knew what frequency it was communicating on. If Wifi or a close frequency, you could pump a bunch of noise through an old EchoStar dish.

Could this also be used for chemtrail planes?

[gunDriller]

SJS is there a home made version of this?

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=do+it+yourself+drone

websites for Drone-o-Philes & Drone-Hackers -
http://diydrones.com/

Oregon company that sells domestic drone countermeasures -
http://www.domesticdronecountermeasures.com/



Could this also be used for chemtrail planes?

i believe they are flown by human pilots. you could conceivably interrupt their communications, in a localized area. to interrupt their communications over a larger area, you need a flying jammer, like a Do-it-Yourself version of an EA6B.

of course, that is the kind of thing that will get you the attention of the DHS, FCC, US Military, etc. "Free Trip to Gitmo" territory.

[joboo]

30,000ft is considered medium altitude.

If that causes a problem, it will increase.

Anyone shoot that range lately?

derp?

[Cebu_4_2]

30,000ft is considered medium altitude.

If that causes a problem, it will increase.

Anyone shoot that range lately?

derp?

That's only 10,000 yards.

[joboo]

That's only 10,000 yards.

Anyone you know ever successfully shoot a bullet for 9kms, and cause any damage (or even hit the target)?

[mick silver]

dam i want a long gun that can do that

[ShortJohnSilver]

SJS is there a home made version of this?

Yeah, what you do is, get an old EchoStar dish, they are able to transmit Wifi at 2.4Ghz. Then you get high-power Wifi cards and figure out how to generate traffic/noise. Then you point at either the ground station or the client. It may or may not be shielded properly.

For a bigger plane like chemtrails, it probably has better shielding and also is less dependant on electronic systems. Remember that the chemtrail plane will be based on electronics designed for commercial aircraft where passenger safety is really important.

[JohnQPublic]

Oregon Company to Sell Drone Defense Technology to Public (http://www.uavwatch.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4)

The company says it won't knock drones down, but will stop them from 'completing their mission'

By Jason Koebler
March 15, 2013

"Do you want to keep drones out of your backyard?

An Oregon company says that it has developed and will soon start selling technology that disables unmanned aircraft.

The company, called Domestic Drone Countermeasures, was founded in late February because some of its engineers see unmanned aerial vehicles—which are already being flown by law enforcement in some areas and could see wider commercial integration into American airspace by 2015—as unwanted eyes in the sky.

"I was personally concerned and I think there's a lot of other people worried about this," says Timothy Faucett, a lead engineer on the project. "We've already had many inquiries, a lot of people saying 'Hey, I don't want these drones looking at me.'" ..."

[PatColo]

A Drone's View From 3 Miles Up (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2013/11/a-drones-view-from-3-miles-up.html)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tls-631akhM&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tls-631akhM&feature=player_embedded

DARPA's Autonomous Real-Time Ground Ubiquitous Surveillance Imaging System (ARGUS) has 1.8 billion pixels (1.8 gigapixels), making it the world' highest resolution camera. The sensors on the camera are so precise, PBS stated it is the equivalent to having one hundred predator drones looking at an area the size of a medium sized city - all at once...

In this video segment from PBS, contractor "Yiannis Antonaides" said "It is important for the public to know that some of these capabilities exist."

PBS.org video, "Rise of the Drones"
http://video.pbs.org/video/2326108547/ (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.pbs.org%2Fvideo%2F23 26108547%2F&session_token=yhCQfbWq0qPpAFofjeo8N0-2uVl8MTM4NTMxNjM2M0AxMzg1MjI5OTYz)

From 17,500 feet (more than 3 miles up), ARGUS can "see" and record EVERYTHING roughly within an area equal to 15 square miles. EVERYTHING in that 'window' is being automatically tracked. The system stores up to 1 million terabytes a day which can be accessed at any time later to discover what happened in any area, anytime after the fact.

"You can go back and say 'I would like to know what happened at this particular location three days, two hours, four minutes ago' and it would actually show you what happened as if you were watching it live,"

We are moving towards an increasingly electronic society where all of our movements are going to be tracked and recorded.

[mick silver]

we have seen the drones here , i am about 40 miles from a army post . there motors make a funny noise

[ShortJohnSilver]

I think the "1 Million Terabytes" thing in the above drone article is a mistake. That is an insane amount of storage, like 300,000 3TB drives. So either the article is wrong, or they wouldn't be able to deploy these widely because they couldn't store all the data.

[mick silver]

I think the "1 Million Terabytes" thing in the above drone article is a mistake. That is an insane amount of storage, like 300,000 3TB drives. So either the article is wrong, or they wouldn't be able to deploy these widely because they couldn't store all the data.............. like you said about all the data they can store if it is true then how far are they out there with there computer to are;s ... think about that and nsa how much can they store . most of the time there what 20 are more years out in front of what we have and see

[Ares]

Yeah, what you do is, get an old EchoStar dish, they are able to transmit Wifi at 2.4Ghz. Then you get high-power Wifi cards and figure out how to generate traffic/noise. Then you point at either the ground station or the client. It may or may not be shielded properly.

For a bigger plane like chemtrails, it probably has better shielding and also is less dependant on electronic systems. Remember that the chemtrail plane will be based on electronics designed for commercial aircraft where passenger safety is really important.

huh??? The EchoStar dishes are not able to transmit anything. They are able to RECEIVE only, not transmit. Or are you thinking about Hughsnet Satellite internet that uses Burst Microwave transmission?

[ShortJohnSilver]

huh??? The EchoStar dishes are not able to transmit anything. They are able to RECEIVE only, not transmit. Or are you thinking about Hughsnet Satellite internet that uses Burst Microwave transmission?

Sorry, I wasn't clear. The old dishes are the ANTENNA portion. You need to hook up a signal source for them to amplify. You are right, just holding them in your hand, they won't do anything. But a laptop with a higher-powered Wifi card or even just something that generates noise at 2.4Ghz, hooked up to it, will in fact work to send out RF.

[Ares]

Sorry, I wasn't clear. The old dishes are the ANTENNA portion. You need to hook up a signal source for them to amplify. You are right, just holding them in your hand, they won't do anything. But a laptop with a higher-powered Wifi card or even just something that generates noise at 2.4Ghz, hooked up to it, will in fact work to send out RF.

ahhhh ok. Gotcha now. :) Thanks for clearing that up.