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Ponce
14th April 2013, 07:58 PM
What I see in the future, as you know they now want to tax vehicles according to the miles that they have travel and the reason for this are the electric cars that don't use gasoline so that they don't have to pay the gasoline pump tax to maintain the roads............well, I see the same thing by reading this article...because those with solar power are now using less utilitie power they are paying less tax so that in the future those with solar power will be paying tax according to how many watts their solar power can produce......take me as an example, thanks to my solar pannels my electric bill is (yearly average) of $36.00 per month.

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Solar power and other distributed renewable energy technologies could lay waste to U.S. power utilities and burn the utility business model, which has remained virtually unchanged for a century, to the ground.
That is not wild-eyed hippie talk. It is the assessment of the utilities themselves.
Back in January, the Edison Electric Institute — the (typically stodgy and backward-looking) trade group of U.S. investor-owned utilities — released a report [PDF] that, as far as I can tell, went almost entirely without notice in the press. That’s a shame. It is one of the most prescient and brutally frank things I’ve ever read about the power sector. It is a rare thing to hear an industry tell the tale of its own incipient obsolescence.
I’ve been thinking about how to convey to you, normal people with healthy social lives and no time to ponder the byzantine nature of the power industry, just what a big deal the coming changes are. They are nothing short of revolutionary … but rather difficult to explain without jargon.
So, just a bit of background. You probably know that electricity is provided by utilities. Some utilities both generate electricity at power plants and provide it to customers over power lines. They are “regulated monopolies,” which means they have sole responsibility for providing power in their service areas. Some utilities have gone through deregulation; in that case, power generation is split off into its own business, while the utility’s job is to purchase power on competitive markets and provide it to customers over the grid it manages.
This complexity makes it difficult to generalize about utilities … or to discuss them without putting people to sleep. But the main thing to know is that the utility business model relies on selling power. That’s how they make their money. Here’s how it works: A utility makes a case to a public utility commission (PUC), saying “we will need to satisfy this level of demand from consumers, which means we’ll need to generate (or purchase) this much power, which means we’ll need to charge these rates.” If the PUC finds the case persuasive, it approves the rates and guarantees the utility a reasonable return on its investments in power and grid upkeep.
Thrilling, I know. The thing to remember is that it is in a utility’s financial interest to generate (or buy) and deliver as much power as possible. The higher the demand, the higher the investments, the higher the utility shareholder profits. In short, all things being equal, utilities want to sell more power. (All things are occasionally not equal, but we’ll leave those complications aside for now.)
Now, into this cozy business model enters cheap distributed solar PV, which eats away at it like acid.
First, the power generated by solar panels on residential or commercial roofs is not utility-owned or utility-purchased. From the utility’s point of view, every kilowatt-hour of rooftop solar looks like a kilowatt-hour of reduced demand for the utility’s product. Not something any business enjoys. (This is the same reason utilities are instinctively hostile to energy efficiency and demand response programs, and why they must be compelled by regulations or subsidies to create them. Utilities don’t like reduced demand!)
It’s worse than that, though. Solar power peaks at midday, which means it is strongest close to the point of highest electricity use — “peak load.” Problem is, providing power to meet peak load is where utilities make a huge chunk of their money. Peak power is the most expensive power. So when solar panels provide peak power, they aren’t just reducing demand, they’re reducing demand for the utilities’ most valuable product.

http://grist.org/article/solar-panels-could-destroy-u-s-utilities-according-to-u-s-utilities/

General of Darkness
14th April 2013, 08:03 PM
Nice find Ponce.

So basically the PUC doesn't want any competition.

Ponce
14th April 2013, 10:17 PM
They are talking like the Zionist by telling you ahead of time as to what is going on and when it happens it wont cach you by surprise and you won't react.

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Glass
15th April 2013, 01:41 AM
yes they are doing this in Australia. All the people who got Govt subsidies to pay for the over priced solar panels made by British Petroleum are now going to get taxed according to how much power they don't use.....something like that. 2 clues there were going to be problems with solar panel usage. Clue 1. The Government is involved. Clue 2. The Government is involved.

vacuum
15th April 2013, 02:27 AM
Decentralized energy, like decentralized money, cannot be allowed to grow unabated.

I think this will have a lot to do with a "carbon footprint tax" model. No longer will we directly pay for electricity, gas, water, etc. Instead, they'll all be denominated in carbon/environmental units instead of gallons, kwh, etc. Lets call them earth credits.

A gallon of gas will cost a certain amount of earth credits, a kwh of electricity will cost a certain amount of earth credits (no matter if it's from the grid or a local solar installation), a gallon of water will cost a certain amount of earth credits, etc.

This will be a "crackdown" people from taking advantage of the "loophole" of electric vehicles, solar panels, wells, etc, and not paying their "fair share".

palani
15th April 2013, 04:37 AM
Around here it is easy to spot the Amish houses ... no electrical hookup at all. And I would be willing to be they don't get taxed for not using electricity either. And what's more ... they don't use solar panels. They just don't use electricity (period).

Ponce
15th April 2013, 09:35 AM
Only real reason that I need electricity is for frig, once I get rid of te two freezers, and for everything else my solar powr and my army of generators would do just fine......once there is no more gasoline I'll simply bring out my spare solar panels and batteries and set them up........I have a weird little machine from 1944 that you build a fire under it and it produces electricity, got it at a garage sale and haven't tried it out yet.

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palani
15th April 2013, 09:45 AM
I need electricity is for frig, once I get rid of te two freezers,
V

An Amish solution
https://www.lehmans.com/c-181-gas-refrigerators-and-freezers.aspx

ximmy
15th April 2013, 10:11 AM
It's coming to that. You peasants will use on grid power or no power at all!