Will Precious Metals Save You?

[Oz Waver]

Will Precious Metals Save You?

I'm going to start with the propaganda we are seeing from the alternative media like Zero Hedge and then delve into something much more serious...




According to today's data from the US Mint, a record 63,500 ounces, or a whopping 2 tons, of gold were reported sold on April 17th alone, bringing the total sales for the month to a whopping 147,000 ounces or more than the previous two months combined with just half of the month gone.

Punchline number one, as the chart below shows, is that the more the price of gold fell, the more aggressive the purchases of physical gold through the Mint became, rising to 96,500 oz in the last two days alone. Buying more of something you want when the price drops: what a stunning concept - explain that to the algos who nearly crashed the German stock market overnight.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-0...s-gold-one-day

But let's put that into perspective.

Annual production = well over 2800 tons Gold and that's not even accounting for any other figures.

So that means there's over 250,000 oz mined per day if you divide that low estimate of 2800 tons by 365!!!

63,000 for just one day is under a quarter of just 1 day's production.

So you see TPTB have LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of civilization's gold and mining production, who really knows how much, it would be likely measured in the hundreds of thousands of tons.

I think "they" have many billions upon billions of ounces more than people could ever imagine and they have the power to control price easily. They mine it for "free" and simply print the fiat and get it out of the ground. Plus all the historical metal that they have accumulated.

The statistics are there to fooled people, I'm totally convinced of this.

The end game is that they will leave no refuge for anyone and continue their horrific agenda unabated. They will flood the market with the metal if they desire. I think Silver at $5 an ounce they will easily be able to satisfy demand.

My guess is that they probably have been accumulating silver of about 500 million ounces a year surplus above all demand including that for investment for at least more than 30 years. Plus all the monetary silver and gold that they have which is who knows how much but it's in the billions.

They are now going to whipsaw the markets to wipe out as many people as possible. So we go higher, consolidate then lower and so on... I don't think that they want highly awake and alert people to win against them. And do people really think they'd let a people like Indians to become the "richest" country on earth? Fat chance with these guys in charge.

The truth is that only "fiat" is currently accepted as "money" by the populace not gold or silver, not goods, only fiat unless you work out a "trade". People are really "wood-headed" and "greedy", so this makes them have very selective perceptions of the world. Just look at the idiocy of the bitcoin and the MASSIVE PROPAGANDA concerning it, electronic currency dependent on computers, "un-hackable" so people have false confidence in it... if they succeed micro-chipping the population and population control is next on the menu.

People are made to see Gold and Silver as some redemption, it isn't. These guys are out of control, it's all Zion, Zion, Zion. We all know by now the people behind it, scary to think what's behind them, something seriously evil.

Just listen to the sinister and fear based lyrics of their music with all of their occult message. "Run for your life! Either you run right now or you best get ready to die!"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GA3a15xF0c

Gold and silver sure aren't going to save anyone. They seriously hate anyone that's not part of their tribe, they control all the standing armies and most authority has been corrupted or bought and paid for.

I still think it's important to have your bases covered and own some Gold and Silver but don't put all your faith into them.

I think this is going to end very badly with their agenda including the death of many innocent people before we even get there. They want all hope and alternatives removed so that they present the only choice.

I hope they don't win.

[Spectrism]

How dare you say such things on a gold-silver forum!

LOL... but you are right.... gold & silver will not save people. There is a seriously evil force behind the controllers. It means to kill people after destroying their lives. We are temporary in this world. Very temporary. But then, so are all the evil ones.

[chad]

the more i reflect upon it, i think they are just going to kill all of us.

[mamboni]

Yours is a rather dismal, somewhat defeatest message. There is a lot of assumption and speculation in your premise. In the absolute we just don't know how much gold and silver is out there, do we? If one insists on absolute certainties before acting than one becomes paralyzed. Physical gold and silver may not "save you" but I'd hold gold and silver before I'd hold any other hard asset at this time. Dollars fluctuate with purchasing power. Dollars are an emphemeral form of wealth, a future claim on wealth with floating real value. So it is risky to build financial security on dollars alone, notwithstanding deflationary headwinds. Land is historically a good foundation for security. But land is not portable and land can be confiscated though taxation and decree.

One can have a legitimate debate about gold vis-a-vis price versus above-ground quantities. Gold's price is entirely a function of mass perception: gold is money if the masses say it is. TPTB in the west fight the perception of gold is money. If they succeed, gold becomes virtually worthless in the west. But we live in the real world. And in the old world societies gold is money and has been for thousands of years. These societies have suffered under untold governments whose currencies came and went and with them the peoples' fortunes. Through all of these only one store of wealth endured: gold. It is well to note that the recent price drop in gold was diametrically opposite to your insinuated mechanism of price suppression by TPTB, i.e. dumping of gold in large quanities onto the open market. In fact, the FED and the bullion banks are massively short gold and they have been practicing fractional reserve gold lending for years. Now the redemptions for physical gold are coming in and they are scrambling to provide just-in-time-inventory. Meanwhile, the masses in the east have awoken and a gold fever has taken hold and folk convert paper money tp physical gold. Suddenly dealer shelves are empty of any gold. This sure doesn't look like the elite are sitting on piles of gold, certainly gold they are willing to "dump" onto the market. They are selling paper claims to gold, not gold. And that is the rub.

As for silver, until you can show evidence of massive physical silver hordes lying dormant waiting to be dumped onto the market, I reject your premise off hand. I have studied silver for many years and have considered the wild card possiblity that above-ground stores are greatly underestimated. You would be well to consider that silver price has increased about 800% from it's nominal dollar price lows over the last 10 years. Yet here we are today with verifiable shortages of physical silver in the open market and bids often $12-16 over spot price. If that is not enough to draw these mythical hordes of silver to market then the holders are clearly waiting for even higher prices.

Silver ore grades are collapsing internationally. That is a fact. One can always argue about what the price of silver should be. What you cannot deny is that, baring the discovery of some plentiful and cheap energy source, the cost of production of silver is going higher indefinitely. The same cannot be said for a fiat dollar, or any fiat currency. Silver might not save you. But it sure won't hurt you to hold some.

[palani]

Nonsense. Pilots are generally given a few gold coins on the chance that they can bribe someone should they have to bail out in the wrong area.

You fail to recognize that the black market is the free market. People got out of Nazi Germany by judicious use of specie.

But a communist system is never going to recognize private property ... ever. So don't expect your chattel and other moveables to be free from seizure because you paid for it with specie.

Don't like it? Then change your form of government.

[mamboni]

the more i reflect upon it, i think they are just going to kill all of us.

....after they empty our pockets of silver and gold.

[Horn]

You could look at it as Gold is saving them, and Silver will save you.

[messianicdruid]

Don't like it? Then change your form of government.

BAM! There it is. Stop worshipping false g-o-d-s {rulemakers} and using their false weights and measures. Stop putting your stuff in bags with holes. Show me the {color of your} money.




Silver ore grades are collapsing internationally. That is a fact. One can always argue about what the price of silver should be. What you cannot deny is that, baring the discovery of some plentiful and cheap energy source, the cost of production of silver is going higher indefinitely. The same cannot be said for a fiat dollar, or any fiat currency. Silver might not save you. But it sure won't hurt you to hold some.

Extinction events always increase value by eliminating supply.

[Jewboo]

Yours is a rather dismal, somewhat defeatist message. There is a lot of assumption and speculation in your premise. In the absolute we just don't know how much gold and silver is out there, do we? If one insists on absolute certainties before acting than one becomes paralyzed. Physical gold and silver may not "save you" but I'd hold gold and silver before I'd hold any other hard asset at this time. Dollars fluctuate with purchasing power. Dollars are an emphemeral form of wealth, a future claim on wealth with floating real value. So it is risky to build financial security on dollars alone, notwithstanding deflationary headwinds. Land is historically a good foundation for security. But land is not portable and land can be confiscated though taxation and decree.



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We have had this debate before Doc. The tribe even made a famous movie about how they will reduce wealthy Doctor Mamboni down to the level of us unwashed uninsured untreated Medicare patients. Oz Waver is just acknowledging the trajectory of our common future. Your gold and silver will not save you. You ain't in their tribe.

:(??

[mamboni]

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We have had this debate before Doc. The tribe even made a famous movie about how they will reduce wealthy Doctor Mamboni down to the level of us unwashed uninsured untreated Medicare patients. Oz Waver is just acknowledging the trajectory of our common future. Your gold and silver will not save you. You ain't in their tribe.

:(??

Misery loves company. Schadenfreude becomes you.

[Horn]

According to today's data from the US Mint, a record 63,500 ounces, or a whopping 2 tons, of gold were reported sold on April 17th alone, bringing the total sales for the month to a whopping 147,000 ounces or more than the previous two months combined with just half of the month gone.

Without this, TpTb could've been dead by now.

What saves the goose, saves the gander.

[midnight rambler]

True enough, gold and silver may not 'save' you, but one certainly improves one's chances of survival by investing in combinations of steel, lead, brass, and copper.

[Jewboo]

Misery loves company. Schadenfreude becomes you.



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Deja vu all over again my friend. That's the Obamacare boys taking you to their new Clinic.

:) try bribing them with silver coins...lol.

[mamboni]

Without this, TpTb could've been dead by now.

What saves the goose, saves the gander.

When I saw the mint sales numbers I had the exact same initial reaction as Oz Waver after crunching the numbers in my head, considering annual mine supply at something like 2,400 tons. What's the big deal about 2 tons being sold in day? Even if this happened every day for a year it would consume only ~700 tons.

Here's the important point: the bottleneck on gold consumption is the pathetic lack of interest by the general public, especially in the west. If 1% of the public owns or buys any gold bullion I'd be surprised. This is an historic anomaly. Prior to Bretton Woods gold was an ubiquitous part of a financial portfolio. It was standard advice from status quo advisors to keep 10% of all capital assets in physical gold. Today, gold holdings comprise less than one percent of capital assets held privately. If this allotment only doubled, the price of gold would explode.

Also, keep in mind that the US mint is only one of several sovereign mints supplying gold specie to market, albeit the largest IIRC. More gold is consumed by jewelry demand than coin demand.

Gold's primary role historically has been as a fiduciary protection against irresponsible government fiscal policy. When economic times appear stable and prosperous, gold, like any good insurance, is undervalued and often forgotten. The citizens of the west are about the rediscover the value and importance of gold. And it will be a painful lesson for most.

[mamboni]

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Deja vu all over again my friend. That's the Obamacare boys taking you to their new Clinic.

:) try bribing them with silver coins...lol.

You are way off base. You don't know what your talking about. You, as a patient and person dependent on public assistance, are in far greater danger of losing access to care than I am. And what this has to do with the OP's topic is beyond me.

[Ponce]

My silver and gold are only a back up as is my cash......my mind is my main survival tool and as long as I am sane I am safe, did I say "sane"...........hell, I am dead.

First post of the day..............good morning to one and all.

V

[messianicdruid]

I'm already saved. The question should be, "Now What?". You got your seeds, your tools, your weapons, your meds, your water, your food, your books, your "stuff"... Now what about the things you forgot? Are you going to trade any of these things for it? You need these things, you don't need silver or gold UNLESS you might have forgotten something. Trade with your enemies, give gifts to your friends. Especially things that can be divided but not diminished. They might have forgotten something too.

[Neuro]

You are way off base. You don't know what your talking about. You, as a patient and person dependent on public assistance, are in far greater danger of losing access to care than I am. And what this has to do with the OP's topic is beyond me.
I read it as they taking you to your new workplace. Resist at your own peril...

[Oz Waver]

Yours is a rather dismal, somewhat defeatest message. There is a lot of assumption and speculation in your premise. In the absolute we just don't know how much gold and silver is out there, do we? If one insists on absolute certainties before acting than one becomes paralyzed. Physical gold and silver may not "save you" but I'd hold gold and silver before I'd hold any other hard asset at this time. Dollars fluctuate with purchasing power. Dollars are an emphemeral form of wealth, a future claim on wealth with floating real value. So it is risky to build financial security on dollars alone, notwithstanding deflationary headwinds. Land is historically a good foundation for security. But land is not portable and land can be confiscated though taxation and decree.

I don't think it's defeatist, I want to stare it right down in the face without any selective perception. I think to look at the logical progression of what we are seeing and the agenda.

Gold too is a future claim on wealth via its perceived value. Yes land is not portable so I agree that and also that traditionally gold and silver have been a store of wealth but it's not much good if you don't have your freedom or life for that matter. And to make things worse you need a consensus amongst people that gold is valuable and at this moment the populace view fiat currency as money (which I agree is lunacy but that's the way it is). People won't generally accept silver as a form of payment, it would be a trade if you could find someone willing, and yes in Eastern countries it's far more accepted.



One can have a legitimate debate about gold vis-a-vis price versus above-ground quantities. Gold's price is entirely a function of mass perception: gold is money if the masses say it is. TPTB in the west fight the perception of gold is money. If they succeed, gold becomes virtually worthless in the west. But we live in the real world. And in the old world societies gold is money and has been for thousands of years. These societies have suffered under untold governments whose currencies came and went and with them the peoples' fortunes. Through all of these only one store of wealth endured: gold.

I agree as I've said. But I still look at it in the context of what's occurring and am saying gold won't save anyone if it's comes down to the wire.


It is well to note that the recent price drop in gold was diametrically opposite to your insinuated mechanism of price suppression by TPTB, i.e. dumping of gold in large quanities onto the open market.

It was 400 tons by Merrill Lynch, which is a fair amount but not enormous, it's the equivalent to less than 50 days mining supply.


In fact, the FED and the bullion banks are massively short gold and they have been practicing fractional reserve gold lending for years.

How many contracts are they short? What's the open interest and how much do they claim they have?
In the open market, it's not that much BUT there's the OTC market and that's the part that we don't know about, where it's claimed that it's fractionally lent. But with at least 250,000 ounces of gold mined daily currently with open contracts settled in fiat, how much physical gets sold daily all added up?
I think the numbers are dubious and not all that metal that has been mined is out of their hands.



Now the redemptions for physical gold are coming in and they are scrambling to provide just-in-time-inventory. Meanwhile, the masses in the east have awoken and a gold fever has taken hold and folk convert paper money to physical gold. Suddenly dealer shelves are empty of any gold. This sure doesn't look like the elite are sitting on piles of gold, certainly gold they are willing to "dump" onto the market. They are selling paper claims to gold, not gold. And that is the rub.

I haven't seen any real shortages.




As for silver, until you can show evidence of massive physical silver hordes lying dormant waiting to be dumped onto the market, I reject your premise off hand. I have studied silver for many years and have considered the wild card possiblity that above-ground stores are greatly underestimated. You would be well to consider that silver price has increased about 800% from it's nominal dollar price lows over the last 10 years. Yet here we are today with verifiable shortages of physical silver in the open market and bids often $12-16 over spot price. If that is not enough to draw these mythical hordes of silver to market then the holders are clearly waiting for even higher prices.

There's still lots of silver out there. There may be shortages in America of certain products like eagles where the bids (ebay I assume you're talking about) are higher because of shortages of them due to fabrication issues. I can still buy silver, it's still available in various denominations.



Silver ore grades are collapsing internationally. That is a fact. One can always argue about what the price of silver should be. What you cannot deny is that, baring the discovery of some plentiful and cheap energy source, the cost of production of silver is going higher indefinitely. The same cannot be said for a fiat dollar, or any fiat currency.

4 points...
1) Ore grades: personally I trust little of those reports.
2) I am wondering about the billions upon billions of ounces mined (if you believe it) that are unlikely to have been sold over the last many years. Not many people hold much silver at all and it's only recently that demand has picked up. I think there's a lot more silver out there. Nothing is mentioned about the world's billions of ounces of demonitised metal currencies from around the world for maybe over 100 years. Feteke talks about this demonitisation of silver.
3) Energy. They don't need to mine it at a profit, they can mine it at a loss for all they care. They print the money, they call the shots, especially as long as physical supply can be met. Also irrelevantly there's plenty of energy "solutions" they are suppressing and instead we get the most destructive versions of energy (there's an agenda right there).
4) I agree Fiat Currency is bogus, controlled, manipulated... inflated and deflated. But that's what they've got everybody using. Bill Still has a good video on why he thinks "The gold solution is a lie", where he shows the same game was played using precious metals throughout history as fiat currency is today.


Silver might not save you. But it sure won't hurt you to hold some.

I TOTALLY AGREE!!!

[Horn]

:) try bribing them with silver coins...lol.

It'd work on me.

[Jewboo]

And what this has to do with the OP's topic is beyond me.



The OP simply described just how fucked us goyim are. You asserted that you are gonna be just fine because you own gold and silver and land:




Yours is a rather dismal, somewhat defeatist message. There is a lot of assumption and speculation in your premise.



Just thought I would remind you that you too are goyim and your gold and silver and land won't save your goy ass. Oz Waver has a better grasp of Reality in this thread. I share his dismay. We're all fucked. Even wealthy Doctor Mamboni.

:(??

[mamboni]

I read it as they taking you to your new workplace. Resist at your own peril...

I know what BOOK was insinuating. I'm just tired of naysaying nabobs like him who have nothing positive or constructive to contribute. All he's good for is carping and criticizing from the peanut gallery. Frankly, why he is here, at a gold and silver forum, telling everyone how futile it is to hold gold and silver, is beyond me. Maybe that's why he chose the handle Jewboo, the perfect mirror image of Jooboo, and both thoroughly useless opposites.

[mamboni]

The OP simply described just how fucked us goyim are. You asserted that you are gonna be just fine because you own gold and silver and land:



Just thought I would remind you that you too are goyim and your gold and silver and land won't save your goy ass. Oz Waver has a better grasp of Reality in this thread. I share his dismay. We're all fucked. Even wealthy Doctor Mamboni.

:(??

So what are YOU going to do about it besides peck at a keyboard with a finger up your nose?

[Jewboo]

...People are made to see Gold and Silver as some redemption, it isn't. These guys are out of control, it's all Zion, Zion, Zion. We all know by now the people behind it, scary to think what's behind them, something seriously evil...Gold and silver sure aren't going to save anyone. They seriously hate anyone that's not part of their tribe, they control all the standing armies and most authority has been corrupted or bought and paid for...I think this is going to end very badly with their agenda including the death of many innocent people before we even get there. They want all hope and alternatives removed so that they present the only choice. I hope they don't win.



Exactly.

[Spectrism]

Anybody know if Oz is a sock puppet?

[chad]

it is. 5 posts and defending jews in the gerald celente thread already. i don't know if gerald celente is a jew plant or not, but when post 5 goes into hyperdrive jew protect mode, well...

[Oz Waver]

I know what BOOK was insinuating. I'm just tired of naysaying nabobs like him who have nothing positive or constructive to contribute. All he's good for is carping and criticizing from the peanut gallery. Frankly, why he is here, at a gold and silver forum, telling everyone how futile it is to hold gold and silver, is beyond me. Maybe that's why he chose the handle Jewboo, the perfect mirror image of Jooboo, and both thoroughly useless opposites.


So what are YOU going to do about it besides peck at a keyboard with a finger up your nose?

So you know the "protocols". Good.

Did you just want me to be another dumb cheerleader? Not going to happen.

I'm going to point to the tribesmen & company that have been pushing gold...

David Morgan, Peter Schiff, Alex Jones, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser, Jim Sinclair, Rick Rules etc. etc.

They've been pushing precious metals, why do you think?

[Horn]

My silver and gold are only a back up as is my cash......my mind is my main survival tool and as long as I am sane I am safe, did I say "sane"...........hell, I am dead.

First post of the day..............good morning to one and all.

V

When I'm looking for a job after TSHTF, I'll stop with a couple mercs for a roll of TP so my ass don't stink.

[Oz Waver]

Anybody know if Oz is a sock puppet?

I've seen your post on the Gerald Celente Exposed thread...


What we need is an UNthanks option. Listening to this juvenile rant was a waste of time.

Its just more joos-is-bad crap.

Your funny!

Who's the real sockpuppet?

The answer is in the second quote I've listed of yours.

[Jewboo]

...I'm just tired of naysaying nabobs like him who have nothing positive or constructive to contribute. All he's good for is carping and criticizing from the peanut gallery. Frankly, why he is here, at a gold and silver forum, telling everyone how futile it is to hold gold and silver, is beyond me...



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Start yet another thread here boasting about how much gold and silver you bought or how evil Obamacare will destroy our already fucked up health care system.

Buy a round of warm bagels for your kosher M.D. colleagues in the Hospital cafeteria and join in their Medicare laments.

:) please forget I even posted in this thread

[Neuro]

Extinction events always increase value by eliminating supply.
Isn't it the opposite? Demand is eliminated by extinction events... One example I was thinking of was the value of farmland after the Black Death epidemic of the 1350's, where upwards to 1/3 of Europes population was wiped out. Following that the price of farmland collapsed, and the abundance of cheap farmland eventually gave rise to prosperity that made the renaissance possible in late 15th century...

[Oz Waver]

True enough, gold and silver may not 'save' you, but one certainly improves one's chances of survival by investing in combinations of steel, lead, brass, and copper.


My silver and gold are only a back up as is my cash......my mind is my main survival tool and as long as I am sane I am safe, did I say "sane"...........hell, I am dead.

First post of the day..............good morning to one and all.

V

Two really great posts that I agree with! Good clear thinking.

Just adding... with knowing who, what, how and the agenda behind "them" screw with the world's population.

[Jewboo]

Anybody know if Oz is a sock puppet?



Hoarder can vouch for him. Oz Waver has been posting over at GIM2 for a long time. Go search his posts there.

:)

[Spectrism]

I've seen your post on the Gerald Celente Exposed thread...

Your funny!
Who's the real sockpuppet?
The answer is in the second quote I've listed of yours.

I speak for myself and have been around for quite some time and with a few posts. Granted- I am not a tracker of posters but I really have not encountered your posts before.

[madfranks]

True enough, gold and silver may not 'save' you, but one certainly improves one's chances of survival by investing in combinations of steel, lead, brass, and copper.

Agreed. I remember a couple years ago one GSUS member actually wrote a story about how his grandfather's gold saved his life.

A ha, found it: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?34098-My-Grandfathers-gold-saved-him

If you haven't read this thread ^^, do yourself a favor and read it. I know the circumstances of what awaits us in the future will be much different than that, but I'd still rather have portable wealth in the forms of gold and silver than be without it. Will I depend on them to save me? No, but they might help.

[Oz Waver]

I speak for myself and have been around for quite some time and with a few posts. Granted- I am not a tracker of posters but I really have not encountered your posts before.

I've just come over here. I've been in GIM2 for a while now. And been around for longer than that.

I'm not sure if I can post a thread from there but I highly recommend that everyone reads it that wants to know what's going on...

Here's the link:
http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?44879-Is-the-NWO-a-Jewish-Agenda-%28the-thread-that-took-GIM-down%29

I had to re-up the thread because just as it was getting interesting, GIM went down with all the threads in the "General Discussion" disappearing and more than 100 of my posts. It appears it was clearly because of that thread.

The thread is by no means exhaustive in fact it's just the tip of the iceberg.

Just warning you there's a lot of truth and attempted spin by the opposition. If you are not in denial or a sockpuppet, you too will arrive at the same inevitable conclusion if you choose to investigate and read.

[mamboni]

So you know the "protocols". Good.

Did you just want me to be another dumb cheerleader? Not going to happen.

I'm going to point to the tribesmen & company that have been pushing gold...

David Morgan, Peter Schiff, Alex Jones, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser, Jim Sinclair, Rick Rules etc. etc.

They've been pushing precious metals, why do you think?

OK, I'm all ears. Please go on.

[singular_me]

Isn't it the opposite? Demand is eliminated by extinction events... One example I was thinking of was the value of farmland after the Black Death epidemic of the 1350's, where upwards to 1/3 of Europes population was wiped out. Following that the price of farmland collapsed, and the abundance of cheap farmland eventually gave rise to prosperity that made the renaissance possible in late 15th century...

The Renaissance was mainly funded by de Medici, aka another kind of God's banksters, corrupt to the core... it is so much deja vu, Neuro!

and the crash that took place back then was too mainly cause by italian money changers. Rothschild h is merely a highly successful and nefarious copycat.

[Oz Waver]

OK, I'm all ears. Please go on.

Have you read the thread at GIM?

http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?44879-Is-the-NWO-a-Jewish-Agenda-%28the-thread-that-took-GIM-down%29

Then fire away...

A brief intro to your answer...
Protocols state very clearly that the goyim will rush towards gold and they will prove the futility of doing so... they will still bring about their agenda.

[Jewboo]

...I know the circumstances of what awaits us in the future will be much different than that, but I'd still rather have portable wealth in the forms of gold and silver than be without it. Will I depend on them to save me? No, but they might help.



I bought my American Gold Eagles at $560 way back when after Ponce first posted his If You Don't Hold It thingie over in the original GIM1. Just enough AGEs to duct tape to my belly for bribes while crossing the Canadian border "some day" after tshtf. Still have them.

I still think silver is a joke.

:D

[singular_me]

Marc Faber: Not Even Gold Will Save You From What Is Coming
Business Insider
March 28, 2013
http://www.businessinsider.com/faber-gold-wont-be-a-place-to-hide-2013-3

competition and speculation allow the cartels to come into existence... thats the shabby elites' secret, as long as we believe in this premise, "they" are here to stay.

if metals skyrocket during collapse, gold/silver bugs will spend all their reserve to survive, and if they implement a new fiat currency, they will crash prices big time. Monopoly is the game of life, the bank always wins.

I second hypertiger here

the only thing that can save humanity is to live fearlessly.

[Jewboo]

...the crash that took place back then was too mainly cause by italian money changers. Rothschild h is merely a highly successful and nefarious copycat.



Merchant banks are in fact the original banks. These were invented in the Middle Ages (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages) by Italian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy) grain merchants. As the Lombardy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lombardy) merchants and bankers grew in stature based on the strength of the Lombard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lombardy) plains cereal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cereal) crops, many displaced Jews (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism) fleeing Spanish (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain) persecution were attracted to the trade. They brought with them ancient practices from the Middle and Far East silk routes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road). Originally intended for the finance of long trading journeys, these methods were applied to finance the production and trading of grain...

...The Jews could not hold land in Italy, so they entered the great trading piazzas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piazza) and halls of Lombardy, alongside the local traders, and set up their benches to trade in crops. They had one great advantage over the locals. Christians were strictly forbidden the sin of usury (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury), defined as lending at interest (Islam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam) makes similar condemnations of usury). The Jewish newcomers, on the other hand, could lend to farmers against crops in the field, a high-risk loan at what would have been considered usurious rates by the Church; but the Jews were not subject to the Church's dictates.[citation needed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] In this way they could secure the grain-sale rights against the eventual harvest. They then began to advance payment against the future delivery of grain shipped to distant ports. In both cases they made their profit from the present discount against the future price. This two-handed trade was time-consuming and soon there arose a class of merchants who were trading grain debt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt) instead of grain.

The Jewish trader performed both financing (credit) and underwriting (insurance) functions. Financing took the form of a crop loan at the beginning of the growing season, which allowed a farmer to develop and manufacture (through seeding, growing, weeding, and harvesting) his annual crop. Underwriting in the form of a crop, or commodity, insurance guaranteed the delivery of the crop to its buyer, typically a merchant wholesaler. In addition, traders performed the merchant function by making arrangements to supply the buyer of the crop through alternative sources—grain stores or alternate markets, for instance—in the event of crop failure. He could also keep the farmer (or other commodity producer) in business during a drought (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drought) or other crop failure (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_failure), through the issuance of a crop (or commodity) insurance against the hazard of failure of his crop.

Linky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant_bank)

[messianicdruid]

Isn't it the opposite? Demand is eliminated by extinction events...

Sorry. I was responding to mamboni's contention that silver mining was going to be more difficult because of the energy costs, eventually becoming impossible as the ore is containing less and less recoverable silver. At some point it will be declared extinct - unrecoverable. This doesn't even count natural events like landslides that will interrupt some mining for years. When silver becomes extinct from the elemental table because we have used it all up, and asteroid mining hasn't clicked in, demand for any supply will soar.

[midnight rambler]

The OP simply described just how fucked us goyim are. You asserted that you are gonna be just fine because you own gold and silver and land:



Just thought I would remind you that you too are goyim and your gold and silver and land won't save your goy ass. Oz Waver has a better grasp of Reality in this thread. I share his dismay. We're all fucked. Even wealthy Doctor Mamboni.

:(??

Book, YOU are admitting YOU are fucked 'cause you don't have a sound relationship with God. This generalized statement of yours shows how clueless you really are.

[messianicdruid]

"the only thing that can save humanity is to live fearlessly."

"Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Sell your possessions and give to those in need. This will store up treasure for you in heaven! And the purses of heaven never get old or develop holes. Your treasure will be safe; no thief can steal it and no moth can destroy it."

[JohnQPublic]

I bought my American Gold Eagles at $560 way back when after Ponce first posted his If You Don't Hold It thingie over in the original GIM1. Just enough AGEs to duct tape to my belly for bribes while crossing the Canadian border "some day" after tshtf. Still have them.

I still think silver is a joke.

:D

Gold is good for running, silver is good when you are situated. Both are forms of insurance.

[singular_me]

thanks for the info... insightful. but paper money was invented by the chinese...

however, sure Jews surely lead the pack, wont discuss that.

any idea as why the roman church allowed jews to handle usury? Maybe was the roman church allied to them since day 1 after all

edit:
How Venice Rigged
The First, and Worst, Global Financial Collapse
by Paul B. Gallagher
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_91-96/954_Gallagher_Venice_rig.html

[messianicdruid]

Maybe the roman church was allied to them since day 1 after all

the Romans were, or became a blood thirsty Lot, after years of wealth destruction through debasment of the money of exchange, which they had complete and responsibility for preserving the value there-oof, wasted same on imperial projects of WAR aspirations gone a-muck, as they say, and the people in constant state of want from too many tax takers, which wwere all protected by the military and union lawmen, began to migrate to the north and west, as they had for decades...

[Neuro]

The Renaissance was mainly funded by de Medici, aka another kind of God's banksters, corrupt to the core... it is so much deja vu, Neuro!

and the crash that took place back then was too mainly cause by italian money changers. Rothschild h is merely a highly successful and nefarious copycat.
I think the Italian renaissance started a bit earlier, in the 14th Century, which probably at the time of the Black Death plague was put on hold until the end of 15th Century. As far as I recall a French king defaulted on a massive debt owned to the Jewish/Italian bankers... This was in the 1340's just before the onset of the plague, and probably made it worse through economic depression following default. I don't know how powerful the de Medici's were after plague and default, but the 100 year war came soon after...

[Jewboo]

http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_91-96/954_Gallagher_Venice_rig.html



Too funny. You linked us to the Schiller Institute. READ HERE (http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_97-01/fid_993_LaR_edit.html) on your linked website Lyndon LaRouche worshiping the jews.

:D

[Neuro]

Sorry. I was responding to mamboni's contention that silver mining was going to be more difficult because of the energy costs, eventually becoming impossible as the ore is containing less and less recoverable silver. At some point it will be declared extinct - unrecoverable. This doesn't even count natural events like landslides that will interrupt some mining for years. When silver becomes extinct from the elemental table because we have used it all up, and asteroid mining hasn't clicked in, demand for any supply will soar.
I am sorry I didn't read the context of your assertion properly, I just saw extinction event, and thought of loads of human dying. But I don't think the billions of ounces of gold and silver currently above ground will be that valuable if the elites plans of a 500 million head population of earth will come to fruition, especially not if the great majority of the survivors ends up as slaves for the elites, which I know to be their plan, but which I doubt, the end game scenario playing out may come back and bite them in the ass, the 5-10% surviving may actually not care too much about the gold they hold, or anything they say...

[gunDriller]

Pm's are mighty useful if -

* you are dealing with someone who will accept payment in PM's
* you have access to a market maker who will give you FRN's for PM's

since we live in wierd countries where people normally want paper FRN's in commerce.


as Collapse continues, there will likely be times when your PM's will NOT be useful in trade, or commerce - except at a steep discount.

it's good to diversify, to protect one self against the whims of the marketplace.

imagine if you really needed something, and the only person who could provide it insisted on a 50% discount for PM's - and was better-armed than you.

Collapse is & will be sort of a "survival contest".

doesn't mean it can't be fun - but we can't expect people to hold PM's in high regard.



of course, the pendulum will probably swing at some point. and people will accord OMGWTF amounts of value to PM's. we will be able to trade 100 ounces of, not only Gold, but Silver for a piece of land.

but the Fed & US government obviously have a viewpoint on the matter, most eloquently expressed with the price smashes last Friday & Monday.


personally, i think the price smashes bespeak significant desperation.

however, that doesn't mean that the Joe General Public with which we have to deal during Collapse will ever understand the whole "Why" of PM's. they will obviously understand parts of the subject, e.g. that part about Assets without Counterparty Risk.


if the US gov. is desperate enough to stage the price smashes of these last few days, i wonder if they're desperate enough to stage false flag attacks that give them a reason to seize PM's.

e.g. a contrived terrorist group who, we are told, financed their activities with 100 Ounce Engelhard bars.

i wouldn't be surprised if the next David Koresh type incident features a 500 ounce monster box of Silver Eagles, or, just rounds. as one of the "props".


the US gov. doesn't like things that give people power, things like guns & PM's.

[messianicdruid]

... the 5-10% surviving may actually not care too much about the gold they hold, or anything they say...

I'm putting the survival rate much higher than yourself, no apology needed. Losing a third of those who have been taught to believe lies leaves a viable remnant. If a true remnant ie: 1/10th remain 90% serving as patriot blood, there will be a pure self-government and a pure language, and a pure law - kingdom law, which in all acknowledge the Creator of Men and honour Him reserving 10th of their increase to increase the Kingdom, those people who call Him King, live on His creation and share it faithfully with His other creatures. The 90% that we frittal away, making the rich richer - will be their undoing. If people cannot live without man's lies {money} they make themselves enemies of those who can.

[joboo]

Yeap nothing will save you, sell your gold now at a loss while it's el cheapo.

Ehhh....fuck that.

[Oz Waver]

From my first post...



I still think it's important to have your bases covered and own some Gold and Silver but don't put all your faith into them.


And then we have the misrepresentation...


Yeap nothing will save you, sell your gold now at a loss while it's el cheapo.

Ehhh....fuck that.

Now who said sell your gold? And who said nothing with save you?

It's a real misrepresentation of what I've said... read it again...



I still think it's important to have your bases covered and own some Gold and Silver but don't put all your faith into them.


Never let your passion and persistence turn into ignorance and stubbornness. A. De'Angelo.

Ignoring the agenda just won't make it go away.

[joboo]

From my first post...


Now who said sell your gold? And who said nothing with save you?

It's a real misrepresentation of what I've said... read it again...
.

Sorry my reply was in reference to the bears coming out stomping on PM's in this latest price swing. Could get very messy, and who knows, but at least what's left over represents moving an insane amount of earth, and purifying the living heck out of it. No small feat.

[vacuum]

So what do we do? specifically

[Blink]

So what do we do? specifically


Since everyone (public) seems to be in siesta mode, I'd say, "grab your balls and hope for the best"............

[Spectrism]

Silver might save you. You can make some colloidal silver easily and this could be the anti-biotic that keeps your body from being eaten alive by the little cavorting beasties.

[gunDriller]

the process of "Collapse" - at those moments when it affects us directly - is typically stress-inducing.

the Stress that can come with Collapse is & will be like a Tidal Wave for a lot of people. we are not talking about a small amount of Stress. we are talking about like-being-skinned-alive type stress.

the kind of stress that can make your hair fall out, turn your hair gray, AND change the pH of your saliva so that your rate of tooth decay increases.


i would say that, overall, the process of "Preparing for Collapse" is a process of Stress Management - to make sure that we can "sail through" those rough periods.

PM's can certainly help us. have you ever known anybody who lost a major chunk, or all, of their life savings ?


of course, as the recent price smash/ manipulation points out, we also have to manage our affairs so that we don't depend on the PM's completely - because there will be times when the Banksters arrange for them to have less value.

i have Faith, though, that Karma will end up sticking it to the Banksters. i.e., their manipulation schemes will backfire.

[mick silver]

if it not paper money then it will be a chip we all will wear in our skin . i dont think nothing can save us if they want you bad enough . i just hope i can save some of the money this way an come out ahead

[singular_me]

I think the Italian renaissance started a bit earlier, in the 14th Century, which probably at the time of the Black Death plague was put on hold until the end of 15th Century. As far as I recall a French king defaulted on a massive debt owned to the Jewish/Italian bankers... This was in the 1340's just before the onset of the plague, and probably made it worse through economic depression following default. I don't know how powerful the de Medici's were after plague and default, but the 100 year war came soon after...

right, agree here... but I merely stated this because it is my impression that many seem to praise The Renaissance... which is a boom after the crash...

[singular_me]

Too funny. You linked us to the Schiller Institute. READ HERE (http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_97-01/fid_993_LaR_edit.html) on your linked website Lyndon LaRouche worshiping the jews.

:D

this essay has been online for a long while and hosted by many website addresses

I didnt bother to look for the institute background as I pay more attention to the content, truth can often be found everywhere... as much as there is (some) disinfo, misinfo everywhere too. However we generally learn more about ourselves from our enemies... it think it is kinda immature to trash an excellent content just because a website doeant espouse one's mindset. People who do this just help deceptions to continue. By the way 10 years or so ago, I learned a lot with Larouche... not especially my cup of tea anymore at all.

for those allergic to Larouche, take your pick
https://www.google.com/search?q=How+Venice+Rigged+The+First%2C+and+Worst% 2C+Global+Financial+Collapse&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

ps: not very sensitive to the Jews/hitler sword type of remarks. If people could address the and racial topic more subtly instead or using aggressiveness and hatred, world would be a better place... All this black and white tones just make problems worse... example: I am right coz you are a nazi! LOL...

[mick silver]

http://www.thedailybell.com/images/library/tooloud.jpg

[Shami-Amourae]

Tek thinks prices may skyrocket this Summer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHI1VgECR_Q

[Hitch]

Silver might save you. You can make some colloidal silver easily and this could be the anti-biotic that keeps your body from being eaten alive by the little cavorting beasties.

Old sailors used to put silver coins in the water tanks, of their ships, to keep water safe to drink while at sea. Don't know if this works, but, if in a pinch, putting a silver coin or two in your water bottle could make the difference between life and death.

We need someone to test this. Get the nastiest water around, put a silver coin in there, and drink away. Book, we have a project for you. :)

[mick silver]

http://www.thedailybell.com/images/library/tooloud.jpgstop it your hurting my head hitcher