Shit blew up for Silver Shield - Chris Duane. Not looking good for investors

[Ares]

Update 3: I Have Severed ALL Ties With Rob Gray and Mulligan Mint
By Silver Shield, on April 17th, 2013

Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 12.28.44 PMI originally met Rob Gray through a friend and member who introduced us both related to his testimony before Ron Paul’s subcommittee. Thereafter, we had conversations for several months about silver, etc. and even traveled to Silver Summit together. When I started business dealings with Rob Gray we had a business deal that I would design and promote my Silver Bullet Silver Shield medallions and he and his new Mulligan Mint would produce and fulfill them. Seemed like a very simple straightforward business relationship.

I performed my half of the deal well beyond anyone’s expectations, but there seemed to be constant issues on Rob’s end of the deal, such as complaints about PayPal, credit cards, delays in delivery, shoddy production quality, awful customer service, etc.

Knowing that starting something like this is not easy, I was very patient and did my best to try to support their effort for over 7 months. I tried pumping the breaks with delayed launches, but that was not enough. Then, things started to not add up for me.

Given my concerns, I halted ALL sales March 11th to clear a persistent backlog that grew to an estimated 92,000 ounces or roughly $3 million.

I was given assurances that all orders would be fulfilled by April 8th and we were going to launch on April 15th. I then come to find out the Sales Director, Gus Demos, who was my main contact with the Mint, abruptly quit on April 11th.

I immediately cancelled the Tax Slave Day relaunch of Slave Queen, Freedom Girl and the Redoubt coin. (I did this despite record demand for silver and incredibly low silver prices.)

From that moment on all the pieces started to come together as people started comparing notes about what they knew of Rob.

Why was he constantly try to run so fast when problems need to be corrected?
Why is he taking several recent vacation trips to Singapore in the midst of all these problems?
Why did he purchase a new mansion on an airstrip in Plano, Texas?
Why did the sales director abruptly quit?
Why were paid retail customers waiting while he sold to dealers behind my back and my strict orders to stop ALL sales.



After many months of broken promises and constant aggravation of taking all of the heat for things I had no control over, I decided to fly to Dallas and confront Rob Gray face-to-face to resolve all open matters between us.

Despite his previous gregarious conversations and his jovial personality, at this meeting a different Rob Gray was present. This one was curt and cold. I sat down and simply and frankly told him I had no interest in continuing a business relationship and simply asked for my dies, the SilverBulletSilverShield.com URL, an accurate customer accounting of what is owed, affiliate commissions, final customer ounces delivered and/or collect all that is owed, and what was owed to me (including 1,500 personal ounces I sent down for minting from bars to my coins).

His response was “what if I just say ‘no’, what are you going to do?” I responded with “That’s not what I was hoping for, but I will be forced to go another route.” Thereafter, I stormed out after only 5 minutes when Rob Gray told me that I would get “nothing“.

Based on all my experience and dealings with Rob as well as the learned experiences of others, I suspect something very nefarious is going on at Mulligan Mint. As a result, I will be talking with customers, employees, affiliates, refiners, retailers and Free Lakota Bank and Mulligan Mint investors and depositors and telling anyone interested anything and everything I know about the situation, Rob Gray, Mulligan Mint, etc. I think if I shine a very bright light on the situation, maybe we can all get the answers.

I will have MUCH more, very soon, after I have a clearer picture, when I have a conference call with the major creditors that I know of.

I will leave all options open after that.

Here is a just the beginning of what I have recently found out when people start talking.

33 Page Report On Rob Gray the Hypnotist, Water Ionizer Salesman that says “Mr. Gray may actually deserve an Oscar nomination for his theatrics in some of the videos that have been posted on this website.”

Free Lakota Bank is not a FDIC Bank…

South Dakota Dept. of Labor warns about unlicensed Free Lakota Bank

And not a bank of the Republic of Lakotah…

The Republic of Lakotah is in NO WAY associated with this new “freelakotabank.” Caveat Emptor!

So who’s bank is it?!



I do not care about my lost time, energy, money, opportunity, reputation, or silver.

I ONLY care about the truth.

Feel free to add your story in the comment section below so that the people that are on the fence can have their Usual Suspects moment.



Regretfully,

Chris Duane



P.S. Just as I was about to post this, I get an email blast from the Mulligan Mint that they are selling The Survival Podcast Ant Shield?!

Somebody better let Jack know what is going on before his good name and customers get caught in this growing mess.



Listen to all, TRUST NONE.



“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” -Marcus Tullius Cicero



Update 1: The first lie I have heard today is that Rob refused to give me my dies, because I was working with Gus to start our own mint.

I want the dies because…

Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 12.28.44 PMThey are mine. I am the designer and copyright holder of them.
I want to secure them from being used to diminish the value of all of the SBSS coins on the market by continuing to produce them beyond my approval or control.
I don’t need to own a mint. There are far more respectable, well oiled operations which OH BY THE WAY are much cheaper (33% cheaper) and have much better quality and turn around times.
I want to work with a few mints so I am never in this position again.
I want to relaunch fairly quickly. I have waste far too much time and I will not wait for months to start some other capital and labor intensive business, especially before a dollar collapse.
What mint in the world tells their customer that they will get “nothing”?!
I will never use these designs ever again. (Which will increase the value of these coins, but not if the dies are not secured.)

So now with that out on the table, I want Rob Gray to turn over the dies that are not being used to fulfill customer order and just so we are really clear I would love it if they just took a HAMMER to it to damage it enough so that I cannot use it, but I can still see what it is.

I have a die count and wait for Rob’s response to this one.

I am sure that thousands of SBSS investors are going to be VERY INTERESTED in the outcome of this particular issue.

Update 2: I was told that Rob had a meeting with the whole staff after I blew out of there and that he said he would give me my 1,500 ounces. I would love to know when and where I can get it, Rob. I would think this would be very easy for you to do since that is provable theft in my opinion.

Update 3: I have completed my research and will be moving on many fronts to protect those that are involved in this mess.

I have gotten word that the new date they are stringing people along with April 26th. Snap out of denial and stop hearing what you want to hear. April 8th was the drop dead date… then the 15th… get a refund or a tracking number! If you bought by credit card…

What they probably did not tell you is that their caster is down and blanks are pretty hard to come by right now. It sure does look like they are trying to get this stuff out and when you tell a guy like me that I am getting “nothing” that frees up (in Rob’s mind) some time and capital. I know he has bought time with some others that want to believe, but the fact is the circle is getting tighter as people start talking and wising up.

I have also heard complaints about the Free Lakota Bank is not returning calls. Shocker…. I will be releasing more on the truth about Free Lakota Bank later. I already suspect that I am going to get “nothing” also.

I am posting some helpful links and phone numbers and suggest you do your own due diligence.

Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott
The Federal Trade Commission hotline 877-382-4357
South Dakota Attorney General 605-773-3215
You can also contact your local State Attorney General

http://dont-tread-on.me/?p=29291

[chad]

maybe he can repackage a bunch of posts from here and sell them as a new book to recoup his costs.

[ximmy]

Does this mean my silver shield freedom girl isn't coming?

[Jewboo]

...I would design and promote my Silver Bullet Silver Shield medallions...I halted ALL sales March 11th to clear a persistent backlog that grew to an estimated 92,000 ounces or roughly $3 million...



http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/movieimages/2012/05/24418.jpg?key=1339246558

Silver Shield was a money-grubbing con man from day one. Wrapped himself in the flag and many libertards (some even here at GSUS) promoted his website and DVDs. You know who you are...lol.

:D

[gunDriller]

maybe he can repackage a bunch of posts from here and sell them as a new book to recoup his costs.

maybe a Freedom Girl/ Twitching Frog Leg 2013 1/2 Calendar ?

maybe we need a Twitching Frog Leg Silver Round ... :)

[mamboni]

http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/movieimages/2012/05/24418.jpg?key=1339246558

Silver Shield was a money-grubbing con man from day one. Wrapped himself in the flag and many libertards (some even here at GSUS) promoted his website and DVDs. You know who you are...lol.

:D

Yeah, kick a guy while he's down - that's just like you. At least he tried to build something. What have you done besides criticize others and mooch off the system? You sit at a computer all day and night, second guessing, wise-cracking, standing in judgement of others like some self-appointed authority. Who are you to judge another man? Your smugness and arrogance are boundless. You are not worthy to shine Duane's shoes. You're just a jealous petty mean-spirited little person of absolutely no importance and no use. When you stand before the man, I expect you'll have a lot to answer for.

[osoab]

maybe he can repackage a bunch of posts from here and sell them as a new book to recoup his costs.

Apparently he forgot "if you don't hold it, you don't own it".

[Neuro]

Does this mean my silver shield freedom girl isn't coming?
It seems like that... $3 million worth of coins paid for not being delivered, and Chris Duane putting the blame away. Maybe he is innocent like he claims maybe not... Go to your local dealer from now on and get delivery when you put the cash down...

[osoab]

Does this mean my silver shield freedom girl isn't coming?

I thought you got a tracking number? I was thinking about your thread when this posted.

[Neuro]

maybe he can repackage a bunch of posts from here and sell them as a new book to recoup his costs.
I can only remember his politically correct tap dancing around the issues!

[madfranks]

maybe we need a Twitching Frog Leg Silver Round ... :)

And a great value carrots silver round. :)

[JohnQPublic]

It seems like that... $3 million worth of coins paid for not being delivered, and Chris Duane putting the blame away. Maybe he is innocent like he claims maybe not... Go to your local dealer from now on and get delivery when you put the cash down...

I have been getting the emails, too, and it seems like he is trying to deflect blame. $3million is not chump change. I hope he finds a reasonable way to resolve this for him AND all his customers.

[Ponce]

As silver goes higher and higher you will see many more problems like this one.....be extra carefull with what you now have.

V

[Jewboo]

Yeah, kick a guy while he's down - that's just like you. At least he tried to build something.



Yeah, build his bank account. How much did you send him?

:D

[ximmy]

I thought you got a tracking number? I was thinking about your thread when this posted.

The online order still says pending...

[osoab]

The online order still says pending...

How many rounds did you order?

[Jewboo]

You are not worthy to shine Duane's shoes.



http://dont-tread-on.me/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/The-Silver-Shield-Button-year1-300x145.png

Send your Patriot Hero even more money so he can hire a good jew defense lawyer now.

:D I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU WORSHIP HIM...EVEN MORE HILARIOUS...LOL.

[ximmy]

You are not worthy to shine Rawdog's shoes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1zfw92dGlI

[ximmy]

How many rounds did you order?

I just ordered one... thank god.

[Jewboo]

http://dont-tread-on.me/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/dtom_175x200_ad.jpg

Oh No! Where will Mamboni buy his CLOTHES (http://www.donttreadonme.com/) if Duane goes to prison?

https://lh3.ggpht.com/_EbY-xBXU23M/TJ0vNO4eZQI/AAAAAAAAAGg/bk9qGhzldj4/s1600/Patriot+Baby+Crying.jpg

[gunDriller]

I can only remember his politically correct tap dancing around the issues!

way too PC for me.

like Alex Jones, except Chris stays in shape physically.

[General of Darkness]

I have been getting the emails, too, and it seems like he is trying to deflect blame. $3million is not chump change. I hope he finds a reasonable way to resolve this for him AND all his customers.

Why are people emailing you?

[General of Darkness]

Well here's a question wouldn't it be easier and financially beneficial for him to do it now, since silver has tanked, that of course assuming that he didn't spend it?

[Shami-Amourae]

I wonder if Chris Duane will be busy making any videos saying Bitcoin is a Nazi CIA Ponzi scheme that is easy to hack by 5-year-olds after this. Bitcoin kills innocent puppies or something. He's pissed Bitcoin keeps outperforming Silver (WHICH IS PRICE CONTROLLED BY BANKERS!)

[JohnQPublic]

Why are people emailing you?

I am on the sh*t list.

[ximmy]

It's all good guys! I called the dealer about my order and they said:
"We are expecting an order of Silver Bullet Silver Shield Freedom Girls very soon..." ;D

[joboo]

That sucks... No one deserves to get screwed around like that regardless.

[General of Darkness]

I am on the sh*t list.

How did you get on the shit list? I know it's none of my business, just curious.

[Shami-Amourae]

Yeah, kick a guy while he's down

I agree with that, and don't want to do that, but I feel he's wronged many of us in many ways on his quest for what he's been doing.

The sad thing is that the people who try to spread the truth for free are all broke, or near broke, and few people listen since they don't do things professionally, so he wanted to turn it into a career and spread his message to a larger audience. I get that, and think that is noble. His whole setup became cult like and I figured this out more and more the closer I got to joining it, and then decided to not at the last moment, and thankfully I made the right decision. Power and fame corrupts everyone it seems, even in the alternative community. The worst enemies of people in the alternative community aren't the NWO, but it's typically from all in infighting in the movement.

[Shami-Amourae]

I am on the sh*t list.

I am too. I get the same E-mails. A lot has to do with me posting his radio interview from Coast to Coast on my YouTube channel (which got taken down by DMCA.)

[Large Sarge]

I think silver shield is a good guy,

he went out there and started an online university based on everything we all learned (for the veteran members from GIM days)

what more could you ask for?

so what if he makes a few bucks, compare his piddly earning to the zio criminals he is fighting.....

david versus goliath

[mick silver]

it"s a setup

[Santa]

It's all good guys! I called the dealer about my order and they said:
"We are expecting an order of Silver Bullet Silver Shield Freedom Girls very soon..." ;DOne thing. Those coins he was selling are absolutely beautiful. Possibly the most beautiful and interesting rounds I've ever seen. Although I heard some of the non proof coins were not so great looking due to poor workmanship.

There was a poster back toward the end times at GIM1 that had carved a round by hand with a dremel tool, something akin to the old hobo coins. He carved a Liberty Dollar if I remember correctly.. into a cool looking skull girl. Quite an artist. I think he's the guy who designed all the Silver Shield coins. I think that's the guy who should own the rights to the dies. I can't remember his forum name, though. Anybody else remember that?

[skidmark]

For the OTHER side of the story...http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/a-brief-update-on-aocs-and-silver-shield

[skidmark]

Does this mean my silver shield freedom girl isn't coming?

Did you get the extended warranty and under coating?

[osoab]

For the OTHER side of the story...http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/a-brief-update-on-aocs-and-silver-shield


some good comments


Chris Duane | April 18, 2013 at 12:10 pm (http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/a-brief-update-on-aocs-and-silver-shield/comment-page-1#comment-315020) | I am sorry you feel this way and you did not bother to talk to me or Gus or any other people that have seen much more than you.
I had Rob look me in the eye and tell me I would get “nothing”, but who the hell am I right?
I wish you all the success in your next launch, but it is your reputation that is now going to be tied to this drama.






http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/91bd897cce3477b0b7d15f982d214d14?s=48&d=identicon&r=G Modern Survival | April 18, 2013 at 1:53 pm (http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/a-brief-update-on-aocs-and-silver-shield/comment-page-1#comment-315070) |
Chris don’t play the victim here! You know what you were doing and with whom you were doing it with! I noticed you totally left that entire part out of your rant on your blog, hmmm, why oh why did you do that?
People that tell “the whole story” but then leave completely critical information out of it, well, it says everything about their character.

[osoab]

another good post.


http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/91bd897cce3477b0b7d15f982d214d14?s=48&d=identicon&r=G Modern Survival | April 18, 2013 at 1:44 pm (http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/a-brief-update-on-aocs-and-silver-shield/comment-page-1#comment-315064) |
First on the dies, as a partner again I didn’t pay for my dies, I doubt Chris did either, so if he didn’t pay for them, they are simply not his. Secondly the coin itself is an AOCS coin, if Chris wishes to recreate it that is his choice and should be done at his expense. One half of a die is useless.

Next AOCS still is obligated to deliver the SBSS coins that are on order, if they gave the tantrum thrower the dies, please tell me how they would finish this up? Just because Chris took his ball and went home doesn’t leave Mulligan mint off the hook here on fulfilling the back orders they still have does it?

Again they are not Chris’ dies, just like the TSP dies are not my dies. Rob’s company provided the labor, materials, design work and money to produce them. Claiming they are his dies is alone a huge problem with Duane’s story. Critical thinking, given I am a partner with AOCS just as Chris was that is exactly what I am doing.

Flat out Rob’s team took to long to deliver, they screwed up and Chris sold a literal ton of coins. This of course damaged his relationship with his audience as it did to me. My choice was to hold the AOCS guys to the fire, make sure my people were taken care of and fulfill my commitment to my people. It took shutting down orders to do so, it took working closely with Rob’s team as well and it took time. Once we got caught up I made the decision to keep working with good people doing their best with some required commitments.

Chris instead choose to go and make demands that amounted to taking everything that he felt was his and leaving the partnership before the existing obligations to his own customers was fulfilled.

As for why he would do this? Oh I know exactly why, I know precisely why! I know exactly WHO he thinks he will be working with going forward and how naive he must be to think it will be an improvement. I sure wish I could just explain it but my professional obligations here override my personal desire for justice.

[ximmy]

Did you get the extended warranty and under coating?


I went over this and over this with the salesman...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5gwc4UizUc

[midnight rambler]

Karma is a bitch.

[Horn]

I remember being invited to this guys "Freedom Class" at first I thought it was kinda corny, still do. Even after finding out how successful he was with the endeavor.

Reminds me of Skyvike's trying to make money off of GIM, to find out now that his Minter was a Hypnotist is not all too surprising. :)

Knowledge of Freedom should remain free.

[PatColo]

Chris' apparent awful experience with RGray reminds me of the experience which I was in the midst of, and which sparked my finding and joining goldismoney.info back in Aug '04. My first post there was a new thread, "Developing: Northwest Territorial Mint NIGHTMARE", which told the story of the trouble I was having in getting delivery from NWTM for a large (low 6-figure) order I'd placed with them a month before, with a clear pattern of bad-faith & call-avoidance & unfulfilled 'call-back' promises by NWTM mintmaster & ex-con Ross Hansen.


Over the coming months and even several years, that thread grew into sort of a clearinghouse of stories from other hapless NWTM customers telling virtually the same eery tale.


I recall it was around Christmas time '07 I got a PM from Skyvike, very polite and so on, advising me that GIM was getting some heat from NWTM to make the "Developing: Northwest Territorial Mint NIGHTMARE" thread, which had by then grown to hundreds of replies (I recall maybe a dozen pages @ 40/page?), go away-- citing the vague "reason" that it was "unfair" to NWTM. This in spite of the fact that within a few months of the thread's creation, Ross Hansen himself registered at GIM under his same name, and posted a reply in the thread which was nothing but a boilerplate ad singing the praises of NWTM, & not addressing the unanimous grievance expressed therein about NWTM's exceedingly/unacceptably long delivery times. Hansen was always free to continue participating, but he didn't... it seems he had 1 or maybe 2 posts which sparked numerous questions of him by others, but he'd disappeared completely.


The real problem, as I explained to Skyvike, was that the thread had become a top google result for a "Northwest Territorial Mint" search-- and I linked Skyvike to a google search query URL and I recall my thread was 7th result at that time. In past searches I'd done, I'd seen it around #2-4, just below NWTM's homepage and above many of NWTM's own child-pages. It seemed the TWOOF was hurting NWTM's business, which they deemed "unfair".... with no further elaboration apparently deemed necessary.


I told SV I believed the thread performed a critical "PM buyer caveat emptor" service, as well as the above about Hansen's freedom to continue participating with his/NWTM's side of the story... but that ultimately, GIM was his (SV's) board, it's not a $-making operation, and if he's enduring the heat of legal saber-rattling from NWTM, he needs to do what he needs to do, in spite of the overwhelming factuality & righteousness of the thread. Told him I didn't have the heart to delete the thread personally, but if he must he must.


So the infamous "Developing: Northwest Territorial Mint NIGHTMARE" thread was memory-holed quickly after that reply to SV. :(


http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?1150-Northwest-Territorial-Mint :D
http://nwtmint.com (http://http://nwtmint.com)


As TT posted in that gim2.adl.gov thread ^,


04-05-2010 07:51 PM #8 (http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?1150-Northwest-Territorial-Mint&p=8724&viewfull=1#post8724)
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http://www.goldismoney2.com/images/icons/icon1.png Re: Northwest Territorial Mint
Dealing with Ross eh????


Go ahead.........pick it up.
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[AndreaGail]

maybe he can repackage a bunch of posts from here and sell them as a new book to recoup his costs.

we could package all of joboo's up and sell them as credit default swaps!

[steel_ag]

My first post there was a new thread, "Developing: Northwest Territorial Mint NIGHTMARE",

I remember that thread. The first thing that came to mind when I started reading this thread was NWTM.

"Grammar, Logic, Rhetoric"

Definition of MULLIGAN
: a free shot sometimes given a golfer in informal play when the previous shot was poorly played

no free shots in business, yep, it's raw

[Walter Mitty]

Sorry if it seems like I'm piling on, but, in the spirit of SouthPark:

It's gone! it's gone ,it's gone, it's gone, it's gone.

It's gone! It be gone!

Move along, this line is for paying sucker ah customers.

[PatColo]

we could package all of joboo's up and sell them as credit default swaps!

yeah, er Collateralized Mortgage Obligations (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?66573-Come-to-Jesus-time-What-do-we-do-with-Jooboo) er sumthin! \uu\

[General of Darkness]

I remember that thread. The first thing that came to mind when I started reading this thread was NWTM.

"Grammar, Logic, Rhetoric"

Definition of MULLIGAN
: a free shot sometimes given a golfer in informal play when the previous shot was poorly played

no free shots in business, yep, it's raw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZHCVyllnck

[mick silver]

thanks pat , i also recall the post you started but i was late at seeing what you had posted and i had already done the deal with nwtm for a few bars and you scare the crap out of me as i waited for almost three months to get what i had order . but i did get what i paid for

[zap]

The guy was just ignorant, we all know he had to have at least 4 JEW attorneys to keep it all on the up and up, I don't feel sorry for him whatsoever DUMBSHIT ! Business is Business !! You fooled me once shame on you, you fooled me twice shame on me , a third time I am a freaking idiot i GET WHAT i DESERVE!~

[mick silver]

we all still like you zap ..........your ok in my book . just dont get taken again ok

[horseshoe3]

There was a poster back toward the end times at GIM1 that had carved a round by hand with a dremel tool, something akin to the old hobo coins. He carved a Liberty Dollar if I remember correctly.. into a cool looking skull girl. Quite an artist. I think he's the guy who designed all the Silver Shield coins. I think that's the guy who should own the rights to the dies. I can't remember his forum name, though. Anybody else remember that?

Scratchmo?

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

Ironic that he shouts from the mountaintop that everyone should do their own due diligence and then allegedly gets screwed over by a sheister neophyte mint master and a bank that isn't even a FDIC member.

At any rate, there's no shortage of Freedom Girl rounds on the eBay - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Freedom-Girl-Silver-Round-Silver-Bullet-Silver-Shield-SBSS-1-oz-Pure-IN-STOCK-/111048820900?pt=Bullion_US&hash=item19db0688a4

[Shami-Amourae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p11GZNWK-Rg

[PatColo]

I do not care about my lost time, energy, money, opportunity, reputation, or silver.

I ONLY care about the truth.

"The truth is a useless commodity that will hang around your neck like an albatross" (http://dennisloo.blogspot.com/2007/01/truth-is-useless-commodity-that-will.html)

Jeb Bush, speaking to retired Naval Intelligence Officer Al Martin:

“The truth is useless. You have to understand this right now. You can't deposit the truth in a bank. You can't buy groceries with the truth. You can't pay rent with the truth. The truth is a useless commodity that will hang around your neck like an albatross -- all the way to the homeless shelter. And if you think that the million or so people in this country that are really interested in the truth about their government can support people who would tell them the truth, you got another think coming. Because the million or so people in this country that are truly interested in the truth don't have any money.” - (cited by Uri Dowbenko in Bushwhacked, Sept. 2002).



I suspect CDuane's silver customers are surely most interested in getting their orders fulfilled, or their money back, pronto!

[Shami-Amourae]

This shit will hurt the Silver community greatly if it's not resolved...
:(

People are losing faith in the Gold/Silver story, and some will never touch the stuff again. These actions may undo everything Chris has worked and turn people against Silver.

We don't even know if prices will go down below $20 yet. They may. I wasn't joking when I said Silver may be $18 when Bitcoin hits $250.

[Horn]

TWe don't even know if prices will go down below $20 yet. They may. I wasn't joking when I said Silver may be $18 when Bitcoin hits $250.

The market has already reached a current level of finiteness that surpasses that of Bitcoin's.

Though as if by fate, Silver has God's great infinity as a partner.

[JohnQPublic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p11GZNWK-Rg

This is none of my business... So let me proceed to talk about it for 11 1/2 minutes!

[madfranks]

Scratchmo?

Yep, that was the guy. I was a huge fan of his on gim1. I think I saved a picture of the peace dollar he carved into a skull, it was a work of art. I will try to find it and post it.

[Neuro]

This is none of my business... So let me proceed to talk about it for 11 1/2 minutes!
Yes that was what I was thinking as well as I listened to it...

[Horn]

This is none of my business... So let me proceed to talk about it for 11 1/2 minutes!

His got that Silver Saleman's tongue, sometimes its hard to keep it in the lips.

[Shami-Amourae]

Uh oh...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ0Wibd26eA

[Cebu_4_2]

That good ol boy don't seem all that giddy...

[Rubberchicken]

Uh oh...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ0Wibd26eA


Rawdog reminds me of this guy-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o-T5qyM7ScA

[mamboni]

Rawdog reminds me of this guy-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o-T5qyM7ScA

"Jim Jones of the silver community." LOL

Rawdog is correct: Duane must make his customers whole with a full refund and apology at minimum.

[midnight rambler]

The guy with all the bidness acumen turns out to be not such a savvy businessman after all. I'm shocked I'm tellin' ya...SHOCKED!!!

[Cebu_4_2]

Rawdog is correct: Duane must make his customers whole with a fund refund and apology at minimum.

This should have already been done. These people have waited a long time and paid a premium compared to todays silver prices. There already getting the shaft.

[LuckyStrike]

Yeah, kick a guy while he's down - that's just like you. At least he tried to build something. What have you done besides criticize others and mooch off the system? You sit at a computer all day and night, second guessing, wise-cracking, standing in judgement of others like some self-appointed authority. Who are you to judge another man? Your smugness and arrogance are boundless. You are not worthy to shine Duane's shoes. You're just a jealous petty mean-spirited little person of absolutely no importance and no use. When you stand before the man, I expect you'll have a lot to answer for.

What did he try to build? Repackaged something that someone else created and pass it off as his own?

Do you really think he gives a shit about silver, or do you think he gives a shit about himself? He's no dummy, he knows this is a small space and is very similar to jack spirko in the survival area. Sure they provide info, but how much can you trust someone who is motivated by selfishness alone? Don't get me wrong, I don't fault him or anyone for making money, even making money selling survival/PM's. But I do have a problem with people who aren't genuine. I don't like self promoters and salesmen. Hell I don't even fault him too much for having $$ in his eyes, but in this space just like survival there isn't room for those kind of people. Same with religion, people shouldn't tolerate the Jimmy Swaggerts and in this movement as well as the survival movement we shouldn't tolerate the snake oil salesmen looking to line his pockets.

In any movement the bad seeds should be shunned before they taint the entire reputation of the group, end of story.

[mamboni]

What did he try to build? Repackaged something that someone else created and pass it off as his own?

Do you really think he gives a shit about silver, or do you think he gives a shit about himself? He's no dummy, he knows this is a small space and is very similar to jack spirko in the survival area. Sure they provide info, but how much can you trust someone who is motivated by selfishness alone? Don't get me wrong, I don't fault him or anyone for making money, even making money selling survival/PM's. But I do have a problem with people who aren't genuine. I don't like self promoters and salesmen. Hell I don't even fault him too much for having $$ in his eyes, but in this space just like survival there isn't room for those kind of people. Same with religion, people shouldn't tolerate the Jimmy Swaggerts and in this movement as well as the survival movement we shouldn't tolerate the snake oil salesmen looking to line his pockets.

In any movement the bad seeds should be shunned before they taint the entire reputation of the group, end of story.

Deciding who is "genuine" versus who is "opportunist" is sometimes very much in the eyes of the beholder. I was willing to give Duane the benefit of the doubt vis-a-vis his proselytizing silver and freedom. I saw a net benefit to all. All of the major voices in the precious metals movement, Butler, Morgan, Sprott, Turk, Sinclair, Kaiser, to name a few, are involved in large part "for the money." They expend time and energy promoting metals investment to us, the unwashed masses, because our participation increases the demand and price. The gold and silver markets have a little bit of Ponzi in them. All capital markets do. Where Duane crossed the line was failure to stand behind a product that he created, promoted, sold and profitted from. To blame the Mulligan mint is lame. Duane, by selling coins he didn't have in hand, sold the public naked paper silver shorts, the very conduct he has condemned. Now he's absconded with the money.

[Cebu_4_2]

Just pay the people back... Done.

[LuckyStrike]

Deciding who is "genuine" versus who is "opportunist" is sometimes very much in the eyes of the beholder. I was willing to give Duane the benefit of the doubt vis-a-vis his proselytizing silver and freedom. I saw a net benefit to all. All of the major voices in the precious metals movement, Butler, Morgan, Sprott, Turk, Sinclair, Kaiser, to name a few, are involved in large part "for the money." They expend time and energy promoting metals investment to us, the unwashed masses, because our participation increases the demand and price. The gold and silver markets have a little bit of Ponzi in them. All capital markets do. Where Duane crossed the line was failure to stand behind a product that he created, promoted, sold and profitted from. To blame the Mulligan mint is lame. Duane, by selling coins he didn't have in hand, sold the public naked paper silver shorts, the very conduct he has condemned. Now he's absconded with the money.

Fred recently said it best " Duane is the type to push Jewish Capitalism and Jewish "Objectivism," and then be pissed when those are inflicted on him"

[Cebu_4_2]

linky?

[Serpo]

http://www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/manufacturing/pix/shield_use_from_ground.jpg

[Shami-Amourae]

More...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka8mhL-vulQ

[Glass]

More...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka8mhL-vulQ

So this guys Knows a lot of stuff and he Knows the deal and whats in the contract and he Knows who's in the right and he knows Duanes going to have to pay a lot of money while in reality he Thinks that's what happened BUT he doesn't know.

And he bought 1 ounce?

It's much easier to come up with conclusions without any facts to get in the way....... or so it seems. I'd only be guessing though but I'd be willing to guess there's more to the story.

[Uncle Salty]

So this guys Knows a lot of stuff and he Knows the deal and whats in the contract and he Knows who's in the right and he knows Duanes going to have to pay a lot of money while in reality he Thinks that's what happened BUT he doesn't know.

And he bought 1 ounce?

It's much easier to come up with conclusions without any facts to get in the way....... or so it seems. I'd only be guessing though but I'd be willing to guess there's more to the story.

What's there to know other than people ordered silver from Chris Duane, he took their money, and he didn't send the silver. He fucked up big time. He was running a kiting operation. He didn't have the inventory he said he did, cuz if he did, he could have fulfilled orders. He was floating. He got busted. He is screwed.

[Glass]

What's there to know other than people ordered silver from Chris Duane, he took their money, and he didn't send the silver. He fucked up big time. He was running a kiting operation. He didn't have the inventory he said he did, cuz if he did, he could have fulfilled orders. He was floating. He got busted. He is screwed.

just saying a lot of people are saying. I don't know the story and haven't followed it. Don't know how much money is involved but I do remember the guy. It's a shame if he got screwed, it's no good if he screwed people. PM market is difficult place to be. With 20/20 there's probably better ways things could be done. I'd be taking pre-order deposits but not the whole order value to get some good numbers for demand.

I don't get the point of the video. The guy who did it bought one ounce which he suspected was a short ounce and it wasn't. He got his ounce so whats his beef? Just seems like a told you so video which doesn't do much but simply 'splain what would happen in every other situation where someone took money and didn't deliver plus a fair bit of speculation on his part.

IMO ~99% of people by PM's for the wrong reason. If you gamble sometimes the dice go snake eyes on you.

[Spectrism]

More...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka8mhL-vulQ

This ugly guy is talkin alot of crap over nuthin.

He actually makes me think Duane is OK. The way I see it, the deal was to collect a bunch of people who wanted to buy silver and as a group they could pool their resources to make it possible with a stamp they liked.

Mr Ugly was a fool to buy at so high a price and he has no argument in this. To Mr Ugly: STFU.

[Steal]

Do not know how to post little pic bigger without distorting, but, yeah...I was impartial to that hobo coin. Remember he got a few offers in $ to take it off his hands.
4832

[madfranks]

Do not know how to post little pic bigger without distorting, but, yeah...I was impartial to that hobo coin. Remember he got a few offers in $ to take it off his hands.
4832

Yeah, that coin is a work of art.

[skidmark]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fvE_g6pb9M

[mamboni]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fvE_g6pb9M

That's Duane gay ex-brother-in-law: note the plucked eyebrows.

[iOWNme]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fvE_g6pb9M

Damn, now we got Adam Kokesh chiming in to bash Chris so he can stay on with Mulligan and Agorist to make evil money from his followers? LOL. Is this a reality TV show? Who's on the next episode?

[osoab]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fvE_g6pb9M

He alluded to it but didn't say it out right.

Once a car salesmen, always a car salesmen.

[Shami-Amourae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb5pWW1g-6c

[midnight rambler]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb5pWW1g-6c

Mmmm...that's some tasty Kool-Aid!

[AndreaGail]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb5pWW1g-6c

and here i thought obama supporters were bad...

[gunDriller]

Damn, now we got Adam Kokesh chiming in to bash Chris so he can stay on with Mulligan and Agorist to make evil money from his followers? LOL. Is this a reality TV show? Who's on the next episode?

well, how much does it pay ? :)

[mamboni]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb5pWW1g-6c

Bullish slave queens, bitchez! LOL

[gunDriller]

is there a Cliff notes version of what happened ?

[Glass]

well according to that guy we could be looking at the new messiah rising from the ashes. It's a PM dealer reality show.

[Shami-Amourae]

well according to that guy we could be looking at the new messiah rising from the ashes. It's a PM dealer reality show.

I post Don Harrold's videos since he has a long track record of being right. I used to hate his guts myself, but he kept making spot on calls over and over again...

[Shami-Amourae]

The drama continues...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUB6Ejfp3Xw

[Spectrism]

OK... I'm convinced. I would NEVER buy from Mulligan Mint. When I saw the inside video of the mint works, I saw a start-up operation and hoped for them to succeed. I can read in the body language a young guy playing fast and loose.

How would the mint ever own a design of a customer who has a special emblem? It sounds like outright theft. Also, how would that mint not make good on existing and billed orders? Sounds very condemning to me.

[Hitch]

OK... I'm convinced. I would NEVER buy from Mulligan Mint. .

What I don't understand, is why the Mulligan Mint didn't return the dyes, return SS's silver, and just dissolve the contract. Then the problem would be solved. Both SS and the Mulligan Mint could just move on. This whole thing sounds very shady to me.

[osoab]

OK... I'm convinced. I would NEVER buy from Mulligan Mint. When I saw the inside video of the mint works, I saw a start-up operation and hoped for them to succeed. I can read in the body language a young guy playing fast and loose.

How would the mint ever own a design of a customer who has a special emblem? It sounds like outright theft. Also, how would that mint not make good on existing and billed orders? Sounds very condemning to me.

I was left with the shady feeling after watching the vid too. I was wondering where his backing comes from. Rob Gray made it a point to embellish all of his descriptions of the various machines with the money that was plunked down.

From what one of the other survival coin maker vids above, the "AOCS" stamp on the coin makes the dyes Mulligan Mints.

I am thinking that CD has been taken. I can see both sides of this story being true. I am thinking CD lost some cash on all of silver he had bought for rounds. I am thinking CD didn't take out some sort of short position to hedge himself.

Mulligan sees a money maker. They have the dies with the "AOCS" mark set in them. I can completely see CD going in to their shop and throwing a hissy fit. After watching the above vid, CD is a whiner. At this point RG has CD by the balls.

So my question is, who is RG's backer? No bank is going to give a line of credit for a start up mint with self-promoted blunders. The place looked cobbled together just for the promo vid.

[JohnQPublic]

Then I get this in my email (links and images removed):











Live Minting at the Metals & Minerals Conference by Mulligan Mint






















(http://opencurrency.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b38a27b4c95f632bbac7655da&id=399dc689f9&e=2f6e93ff3e)























Mulligan Mint will be minting coins live and direct from the Metals & Minerals Investment Conference in New York, May 13-14!
We're excited to announce that Mulligan Mint will be coming to you live and direct from the 2013 Metals & Minerals Investment Conference with the M3 Mulligan Micro Mint DCS Press!

In addition, Mulligan Mint founder, and co-founder of Silver Bullet Silver Shield, Rob Gray will be displaying his famous Freedom Girl, Slave Queen, and Debt & Death sculpts and dies!









(http://opencurrency.us1.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=b38a27b4c95f632bbac7655da&id=f02b09cba0&e=2f6e93ff3e)










There will also be 1500 official, limited edition Metals and Minerals copper medallions given away, so stop by BOOTH 100 to get yours. For more information, visit ...










Cheers,

Silver Willy
Director of Coins for the Cause

[mamboni]

Then I get this in my email (links and images removed):











Live Minting at the Metals & Minerals Conference by Mulligan Mint























































Mulligan Mint will be minting coins live and direct from the Metals & Minerals Investment Conference in New York, May 13-14!


We're excited to announce that Mulligan Mint will be coming to you live and direct from the 2013 Metals & Minerals Investment Conference with the M3 Mulligan Micro Mint DCS Press!

In addition, Mulligan Mint founder, and co-founder of Silver Bullet Silver Shield, Rob Gray will be displaying his famous Freedom Girl, Slave Queen, and Debt & Death sculpts and dies!






















There will also be 1500 official, limited edition Metals and Minerals copper medallions given away, so stop by BOOTH 100 to get yours. For more information, visit ...











Cheers,

Silver Willy
Director of Coins for the Cause





















I think RG just scannned [sic] CD. Ouch.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY-03vYYAjA

[Horn]

A cool head typically wins in business.

As far human ethics goes, those never seem to enter into the equation.

I would've shelved those dies out of respect for a deal gone sour.

[steel_ag]

More quality home entertainment. Waiting to see the docs filed in the lawsuit. A silver shield? This whole episode looks worse than a boating accident. It looks like a heist? I'm watching the Ariel Castro channel right now.

Smooth ? Where ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaAaFAnaZN4

[Shami-Amourae]

Start @3:00:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5AJdHaoUUE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YKpBBrqGbk

[Spectrism]

Thanks Shami. It sounds like SilverShield left many back doors open in his dealings. Not sure what all to believe but it seems that there is a ton of BS flying. You can see the "artwork" displayed there at the show. If MM paid the artist for it, they may own it. Part of the question I have, is this: what was the role of the Philippine "artist"? Did he originate the whole thing or was he given art to work from? Who made the die?

[Glass]

Thanks Shami. It sounds like SilverShield left many back doors open in his dealings. Not sure what all to believe but it seems that there is a ton of BS flying. You can see the "artwork" displayed there at the show. If MM paid the artist for it, they may own it. Part of the question I have, is this: what was the role of the Philippine "artist"? Did he originate the whole thing or was he given art to work from? Who made the die?

Yes and was there a contract there with the artist? Was payment not made deliberately or was payment not made because none was expected/required? Would making payment for something that was otherwise free a contract of sale for exclusive rights?

Ok so new reality show: Deals Gone Bad. I'm claiming copyright on it. I think it's a winner. Write me a cheque someone.

[Shami-Amourae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb5pWW1g-6c

He's making his comeback like Don Harrold foretold:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPU4qhgOFnM

[mamboni]

He's making his comeback like Don Harrold foretold:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPU4qhgOFnM

He makes some valid points. But he goes overboard in his hostility towards Duane. This guy hates Duane - it's something personal between these two. It's fair to call Duane naïve, perhaps even reckless in his business dealings. But this guy wants Duane's head on a pike. I wonder why.

[Jewboo]

Rawdog is correct: Duane must make his customers whole with a full refund and apology at minimum.



Anybody NOT yet get a full refund from this con man?

:rolleyes:

[Twisted Titan]

....................

[Steal]

Good rant from Don...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XVFXgBS5Ys

[Shami-Amourae]

Good rant from Don...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XVFXgBS5Ys

Don Harrold is way ahead of the curve. A lot of these "leaders" in the Silver/Liberty community are literal psychopaths. I already have a thread (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?69466-Vinny-Eastwood-How-To-Identify-And-Protect-Yourself-From-Psychopaths) trying to explain how to spot and deal with these people.

[Spectrism]

Yeah, well... in all fairness, you NEED to watch this video. RawDog is one of those who supported Mulligan Mint and now he wants to back off? No Dawg.... you fucked up. You is the moron.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYMj74OcrUU&feature=player_embedded

Adam Kokesh blew his credibility big time too.

Rob Gray is a hypnotist!!! Scamming cancer people with a stage hypnosis act.

You have to watch this video. Kudos to Silver Shield / Chris Duane. He did a nice job coming back at these vermin.

[Jewboo]

https://www.silverbulletsilvershield.com/ (https://www.silverbulletsilvershield.com/)




http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121205194059/simpsons/images/e/e9/Nelson_Ha-Ha.jpg

[Jewboo]

http://dont-tread-on.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/M2-Bankruptcy-2-830x1024.jpg

[midnight rambler]

(https://www.silverbulletsilvershield.com/)https://www.silverbulletsilvershield.com/




http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121205194059/simpsons/images/e/e9/Nelson_Ha-Ha.jpg




"...we're excited to put this project behind us..."

TRANSLATION: Dear God please make this shit go away!

[osoab]

TRANSLATION: Dear God please make this shit go away!


A quick note to our valued friends and customers: All Silver Bullet Silver Shield sales are suspended indefinitely.

He isn't making any money if he isn't selling nothing. Why the halt in all sales? Was Rob Gray selling his t-shirts too?


Mulligan Mint Files For Bankruptcy: Update 2 (http://dont-tread-on.me/?p=31069)
link to find the bankruptcy filing book posted.

[Large Sarge]

He isn't making any money if he isn't selling nothing. Why the halt in all sales? Was Rob Gray selling his t-shirts too?


Mulligan Mint Files For Bankruptcy: Update 2 (http://dont-tread-on.me/?p=31069)
link to find the bankruptcy filing book posted.

give him some time,

you guys are to quick to condemn him....

for all the old GIM1 folks, he woke up with all of us,

now I do not think he is done, he is probably shifting gears....

and think about what he is fighting against, the whole Rothschild mechanism....

"david versus goliath"

[EE_]

Maybe I don't know everything Chris is dealing with, but all that I see is, he is 30 G's in the hole.
I don't believe Chris will be ruined over 30 grand. I heard/read that he sold his home at the peak, put it all into silver and made a fortune. He's a motivated guy, he'll be back.

[Jewboo]

for all the old GIM1 folks, he woke up with all of us...



...then copied everything we posted at GIM1 and sold it on DVDs.

:D

[chad]

ASSHOLE. and i rarely use caps.

[osoab]

ASSHOLE. and i rarely use caps.

Was that your yearly allotment?

[chad]

Was that your yearly allotment?

almost. i have 13 or 14 left.

[Jewboo]

ASSHOLE. and i rarely use caps.



http://www.turnaroundyourhealth.co.uk/photos/1.959057SilverShield.jpg


If you hurry maybe you can still buy a bottle of Chris Duane's man sap for only $299.99.

:rolleyes:

[ximmy]

...then copied everything we posted at GIM1 and sold it on DVDs.

:D


He plagiarized all the informative posts about silver we scoured the internet for and used them to construct his papers.

That is either brilliant or joo leech...

[EE_]

He plagiarized all the informative posts about silver we scoured the internet for and used them to construct his papers.

That is either brilliant or joo leech...

I think he's a brilliant joo leech

[osoab]

I think he's a brilliant joo leech

He's a car salesman. A good one.

[Jewboo]

I think he's a brilliant joo leech





CHRIS DUANE SELLS CUSTOMER MAILING LIST TO IRS
DEMANDS THE 10% FEDERAL REWARD FROM EACH INCOME TAX EVASION CASE










:rolleyes: can't wait to see this headline at the physical silver sites

[mamboni]

He plagiarized all the informative posts about silver we scoured the internet for and used them to construct his papers.

That is either brilliant or joo leech...

Joo leech?

Man sap?

LOL LOL LOL

I'm splitting my sides laughing. GSUS lingo is the bestest.

[Hitch]

Silver shield was a respected member of this forum.

This is the problem, summed up. Everyone has a knife ready to stab someone else in the back. And the same folks complain how tptb stab them in the back. Honor is long forgotten, in our society, and on this forum.

[Jewboo]

Honor is long forgotten, in our society, and on this forum.




http://i.imgur.com/jqjpbdo.gif




:rolleyes:

[Hitch]

http://i.imgur.com/jqjpbdo.gif




:rolleyes:


:) I am a threat to you and your agenda...I love it. :)

[Jewboo]

I am a threat to you and your agenda...




:rolleyes:





This is the problem, summed up.

[Hitch]

:rolleyes:

I knew all along. Finally got you pegged.

I am done with this forum. You nsa goons can have it.

[BrewTech]

He plagiarized all the informative posts about silver we scoured the internet for and used them to construct his papers.

That is either brilliant or joo leech...
Thanks for the great comment, Book!

[Horn]

Honor is long forgotten, in our society, and on this forum.

There should be no other so Royally respected, then the respect you have for yourself.

And what of your repeated bailing when things get too sticky for your wits.

[Neuro]

He isn't making any money if he isn't selling nothing. Why the halt in all sales? Was Rob Gray selling his t-shirts too?


Mulligan Mint Files For Bankruptcy: Update 2 (http://dont-tread-on.me/?p=31069)


link to find the bankruptcy filing book posted.
Does anyone know why he stopped the sales right now? Was it a strategic decision (iow he doesn't want to deal with this shit ever again in his life), or was it just a tactical regrouping (sales are not good because of all the shit going on, so I might just close it down for the time being, start over in a new constellation, and go to the moon later), or is he also filing for bankruptcy?

[Horn]

Does anyone know why he stopped the sales right now? Was it a strategic decision (iow he doesn't want to deal with this shit ever again in his life), or was it just a tactical regrouping (sales are not good because of all the shit going on, so I might just close it down for the time being, start over in a new constellation, and go to the moon later), or is he also filing for bankruptcy?

If he's dealing with a mint in the U.S. he could be feeling pressure from some other areas in his life. ie:big bro mason threats.

I don't think either of them responded rightly with a proper business etiquette.

[Neuro]

If he's dealing with a mint in the U.S. he could be feeling pressure from some other areas in his life. ie:big bro mason threats.

I don't think either of them responded rightly with a proper business etiquette.
That could be it also I guess...

[Large Sarge]

he is trying awaken the masses to what we know,

and he is trying make a living doing it

is that a crime?

compare him to someone like Jim Cramer from CNBC

or Dr. Oz pushing Flu Vaccines....

he is a decent guy, doing what no one else wanted to do, or thought of doing, etc


he packaged all that info and wisdom into a useable format, for the masses...

everyone here should be very flattered, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...

[Horn]

is that a crime?

No, but stumbling around like a bumbling idiot with other peoples dough should be.

[madfranks]

he is trying awaken the masses to what we know,

and he is trying make a living doing it

is that a crime?

compare him to someone like Jim Cramer from CNBC

or Dr. Oz pushing Flu Vaccines....

he is a decent guy, doing what no one else wanted to do, or thought of doing, etc


he packaged all that info and wisdom into a useable format, for the masses...

everyone here should be very flattered, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...

I tend to agree with sarge. Any one of us could have taken what we learned at GIM and repackaged it for mass consumption. I don't think I ever would really want to, but I'm not sure I can fault a guy for trying.

[Glass]

I never had any particular issue with what he did. Most of what we share is regurgitated anyway. I guess using the info as a hook but again did anyone of us have a claim to copyright? The thing I am troubled the most about is whether it is recoverable from here? Personally I felt the designs I saw on that mint/merchant site were mostly masonic and satanic. I don't know if that's Chris's style. I don't think so. They seemed a long way from what I recall seeing in the begining. Almost like the minute man debacle. He still has a long way to go from here. Those guys are not going to make it easy.

[Hitch]

There should be no other so Royally respected, then the respect you have for yourself.

And what of your repeated bailing when things get too sticky for your wits.

Horn, I agree with Large Sarge in this thread.

It reminds me of a Tom Brown, Jr. quote (know him?) You'd like his books.

He said there's two types of people in life. Critics and Doers. The critics sit back and judge the people who are actually out doing things, the doers. The doers don't have time to criticize others, for they are too busy out doing things.

Silver Shield to a bold chance to further the silver movement. It backfired. Guys like him can't be held back. There will be more wind to fill his sails.

[midnight rambler]

Chris Duane strikes me as all puffed up, egocentric, and narcissistic (he DID 'fluff up' his background/resume). I never saw where he credited anyone else for the info he presented - ever.

Pride goeth before destruction and haughtiness goeth before a fall.

[Large Sarge]

I think he grew to fast, that was his problem, he did not understand the problems of scale, growth dynamics, etc

but the material of his university is sound.

for those of us old timers, can you remember that April day, when we woke up, and found out SkyVike (and crew) had shitcanned GIM, god the misery...

what he had attempted was to recover, and retain that material, for posterity, and for a legacy...

I have no doubt all these people will be made financially "whole" by chris duane,

he had technical difficulties, not moral ones

[Jewboo]

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I am done with this forum. You nsa goons can have it.




:rolleyes:





And what of your repeated bailing when things get too sticky for your wits.




:D Let's ask the police and fire departments where he once worked. "Hitcher" calls this.............................HONOR.

[midnight rambler]

he had technical difficulties, not moral ones

If he didn't have issues with morals/principles he would have never gotten himself into that position (and IF he had due to the actions of someone else then he should have had the resources in place to address that, it's just 'good business practice' to do so - imo, however these days few take responsibility for their own actions).

[Hitch]

:D Let's ask the police and fire departments where he once worked. "Hitcher" calls this.............................HONOR.

I'm here right now, prick. You already have a thread dedicating to trolling me, do you find honor in derailing this thread?

[Hitch]

I never saw where he credited anyone else for the info he presented - ever.

He accumulated a lot of knowledge, packaged it and presented so that normal folks (the masses) could understand.

He's a salesman, he used to sell cars. Being a salesman is not a bad thing, necessarily, depends what you are selling. If a car salesman sells shitty cars, he's a bad salesman...but, if he sells good cars that people are happy with, that run great, he's doing a good thing.

Silver Shield was selling good information and a good product.

As far as giving credit to folks, would you want him to advertise your username on his youtube videos? Personally, I wouldn't, and I think most folks like to post their knowledge on the internet privately, anonymously. In that regard, he was actually being very mindful not to give folks any unwanted attention.

[Jewboo]

I am done with this forum. You nsa goons can have it.




:rolleyes:





I'm here right now, prick.



This is what "Hitcher" calls...............................HONOR.




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[Hitch]

:rolleyes:




This is what "Hitcher" calls...............................HONOR.




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You are the drama queen, not me. Did I piss in your cheerios or something? I don't understand why you have such a hardon for trolling me.

Anyway, save the drama because I don't think anyone is interested.

[Jewboo]

He accumulated a lot of (STOLEN) knowledge, packaged it and (SOLD IT AS HIS OWN)

He's a salesman, he used to sell cars.

As far as giving credit to folks (HE STOLE THE INFO FROM)...In that regard, he was actually being very mindful not to give folks any unwanted attention.



:rolleyes: How "honorable" to not give the creators unwanted attention.

[midnight rambler]

He accumulated a lot of (STOLEN) knowledge, packaged it and (SOLD IT AS HIS OWN)

He's a salesman, he used to sell cars.

As far as giving credit to folks (HE STOLE THE INFO FROM)...In that regard, he was actually being very mindful not to give folks any unwanted attention.

Now that's some funny shit there.

Primary skill needed to sell new cars: the ability to fog a mirror (since it's the sales manager who actually makes the sale).

Primary skill needed to sell used cars day in and day out: pathological liar

[Hitch]

:rolleyes: How "honorable" to not give the creators unwanted attention.

Book/Midnight, teach me something here, what am I missing? Whom exactly, and how, should Silver Shield have given credit in an honorable way?

[midnight rambler]

Book/Midnight, teach me something here, what am I missing? Whom exactly, and how, should Silver Shield have given credit in an honorable way?

It's common knowledge that when one writes material for presentation to others (ESPECIALLY when exchanging that info for money) that one credits the source of one's info, in fact I regard that as the most essential part of one's research (gotta know the actual source). There's a word for not doing so, HINT: it starts with a 'p'...crediting others for their work builds one's credibility, NOT crediting someone else for their work destroys one's credibility.

[Jewboo]

what he had attempted was to recover, and retain that material, for posterity, and for a legacy...



He copied all of it then sold it as his own without acknowledgement to the creators.


:(??

[Jewboo]

It's common knowledge that when one writes material for presentation to others (ESPECIALLY when exchanging that info for money) that one credits the source of one's info, in fact I regard that as the most essential part of one's research (gotta know the actual source). There's a word for not doing so, HINT: it starts with a 'p'...crediting others for their work builds one's credibility, NOT crediting someone else for their work destroys one's credibility.




http://tilt.library.skagit.edu/module4/images/plagiarism.GIF



:rolleyes: exactly

[Hitch]

It's common knowledge that when one writes material for presentation to others (ESPECIALLY when exchanging that info for money) that one credits the source of one's info, in fact I regard that as the most essential part of one's research (gotta know the actual source). There's a word for not doing so, HINT: it starts with a 'p'...crediting others for their work builds one's credibility, NOT crediting someone else for their work destroys one's credibility.

That's the crux, whether or not SS plagiarized someone directly. It was my understanding, Silver Shield himself wrote all the info in his presentations. He gained the knowledge however, by piecing bits of info here and there to do that.

[midnight rambler]

He gained the knowledge however, by piecing bits of info here and there to do that.

And yet he conveniently FAILED to credit the sources he gained that knowledge from, creating the appearance that he did all the in depth research. What a classy guy. I think 'car salesman' succinctly describes Chris Duane since being a 'car salesman' is what people do when they have no skills other than simply walking and uttering somewhat coherent sounds when they open their mouths (of course in order to be a successful 'car salesman' one has to at least be able to hold the customer's attention long enough to get them in front of their sales manager). lol

[Jewboo]

That's the crux, whether or not SS plagiarized someone directly. It was my understanding, Silver Shield himself wrote all the info in his presentations. He gained the knowledge however, by piecing bits of info here and there to do that.




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BOOK'S BIBLE is now on sale for only $299.99

By "piecing bits of info here and there" to do that.

:rolleyes:

[Son-of-Liberty]

I think what happened with Chris Dwayne and Mulligan Mint is that two shysters tried to out shyster each other and now both parties are butt hurt. I wouldn't do business with either one of them.

[Hitch]

And yet he conveniently FAILED to credit the sources he gained that knowledge from, creating the appearance that he did all the in depth research. What a classy guy.

I agree he didn't credit any sources. Not that I saw. However, plagiarism is one accusation that needs to be proved. I've yet to see anyone show concrete evidence SS did that, only accusations on here.

Don't you remember when SS used to post on this forum? I remember folks rooting and encouraging him in his endeavors, he had some good posts here.

[Jewboo]

I agree he didn't credit any sources. Not that I saw. However, plagiarism is one accusation that needs to be proved. I've yet to see anyone show concrete evidence SS did that, only accusations on here.



What you declare in red proves what you still demand to be "proved" in black.


:rolleyes: you are the perfect unwitting plagiarism prosecution witness

[Hitch]

What you declare in red proves what you still demand to be "proved" in black.


:rolleyes: you are the perfect unwitting plagiarism prosecution witness

I will try to explain my thinking because it's being misunderstood.

If SS took a say, Sparky post, copied it word for word without giving Sparky credit. That is plagiarism.

If SS took ideas from 1000 different posts/individuals, then came up with his own thoughts on those ideas, that is not necessarily plagiarism.

As far as I can tell, nobody can prove SS is guilty of plagiarism. Just a some folks with their feelings hurt on the subject.

[Spectrism]

There is a fine difference between research and plagiarism. Most of what we write came from some other source in one way or another. The words I am writing now are learned from other sources. When we take the ideas we have read or heard from others and put them into our own format or style, we make a new product. Hard facts typically need to be referenced both for the source credit and for credibility of the article.

Chris did some dumb stuff and looked to make a nickel off his work. I have no problem with that. He put alot of work into his offerings and deserves credit for that.

[Jewboo]

When we take the ideas we have read or heard from others and put them into our own format or style, we make a new product.





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Yeah...when I created BOOK'S BIBLE it made perfect sense to not mention those Luke and Paul and Peter and Matthew guys when "reformating" their stuff into my new product BOOK'S BIBLE.

:rolleyes:

[Spectrism]

Yeah...when I created BOOK'S BIBLE it made perfect sense to not mention those Luke and Paul and Peter and Matthew guys when "reformating" their stuff into my new product BOOK'S BIBLE.

:rolleyes:

I wouldn't worry about it. I suspect you are the only one who ever read it.

[Hitch]

I wouldn't worry about it. I suspect you are the only one who ever read it.

I don't know, there's a lot of stupid people in this world. Look at the satanic trash the media peddles. Book's Bible could very well end up on Amazon's best sellers list. Imagine what the world would look like if there were a million Books out there...

[Spectrism]

Yeah.... he could start his own TV program like "Ow My Balls".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAg1r6zw7Bg

[Shami-Amourae]

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Yeah...when I created BOOK'S BIBLE it made perfect sense to not mention those Luke and Paul and Peter and Matthew guys when "reformating" their stuff into my new product BOOK'S BIBLE.

:rolleyes:

Don't you mean Book's Book?

[Jewboo]

I don't know, there's a lot of stupid people in this world.



:rolleyes: here's our resident dimwit:




It was my understanding, Silver Shield himself wrote all the info in his presentations.

[Spectrism]

I don't hate the jews.... but I sure would not want to name myself jewboo. People would think I was a jew-lover and I would catch all kinds of grief. Actually, a name like that sounds more like a jew bum kisser. Its almost like calling yourself JewBlow. Nah... that name doesn't work. If I were a real obnoxious moron I would like to be called Book. But that is another thread.

Now back to the regular program.... there are so many sources of little tiny bits of ideas circulating around that it would be hard to credit one person or group. I could write a survival manual based on what I learned in the military. I could also write on lessons ignored in movies I watched. And I could write on mistakes people made as seen on YouTube videos. I read what are often conflicting ideas on investing from numerous sources. At some points I take those ideas and wrestle them into my own position.

If I copy exact words from others, then I would expect to give them credit if that is possible. What if the source of my notes are some no longer existant anonymous avatar from an old forum? And what if I researched the info and found it common knowledge in many places?

[Jewboo]

I don't hate the jews...



http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?70897-The-Joo-Haters-Are-Closet-MUSLIMS-Right-HERE

http://www.goldismoney2.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13561&d=1323966927&thumb=1 <--- Spectrism is the biggest "Israel" ass-smoocher on the interwebs...lol.

[Shami-Amourae]

The world sucks since it's run by psychopaths. Most Jews are naturally psychopaths I believe. There are psychopaths from all races, but Jews tend to have by far the highest percentage of them, hence why they always end up in positions of power and scumbaggery. You should hate them in general since they are the enemy of humanity and the cause of most suffering in this world. I don't understand why "hate" is such a bad thing. It's natural. It's there to help you identify bad people and stay in opposition to them so they don't fuck you over. We have been conditioned by Jews not to hate, since if we did, we might wake up to their scumbaggery and actually stand up for ourselves.

There are good Jews, like Brother Nathanial for instance. They have overcome their Jewry, but these people are far and few. In general though stereotypes are true and should be followed. Just be open minded to the few abnormalities here and there.

[ximmy]

The world sucks since it's run by psychopaths. Most Jews are naturally psychopaths I believe. There are psychopaths from all races, but Jews tend to have by far the highest percentage of them, hence why they always end up in positions of power and scumbaggery. You should hate them in general since they are the enemy of humanity and the cause of most suffering in this world. I don't understand why "hate" is such a bad thing. It's natural. It's there to help you identify bad people and stay in opposition to them so they don't fuck you over. We have been conditioned by Jews not to hate, since if we did, we might wake up to their scumbaggery and actually stand up for ourselves.

There are good Jews, like Brother Nathanial for instance. They have overcome their Jewry, but these people are far and few.

...after 2000 years, and then some, all they have accomplished is the "art" of profiting from the labor of others.

[Spectrism]

I guess the problem I see here is that most are not exposed to the common jews. All you folks see are the high level, high visibility scumbags who are in politics, corporate management and banks. These are the real psychopaths. But there are many millions of law-abiding jews you cannot see.

If I were to judge Amerika by the likes of Obama.... I would figure Amerika is one niggerfied, corrupt, anti-white male slum land on its way to looking like South Africa. But there are millions of people who hate the demonic rulers in this sick government.

Judgment must be applied to those who chose it. Mis-judging others is a horrible thing.

[EE_]

I guess the problem I see here is that most are not exposed to the common jews. All you folks see are the high level, high visibility scumbags who are in politics, corporate management and banks. These are the real psychopaths. But there are many millions of law-abiding jews you cannot see.

If I were to judge Amerika by the likes of Obama.... I would figure Amerika is one niggerfied, corrupt, anti-white male slum land on its way to looking like South Africa. But there are millions of people who hate the demonic rulers in this sick government.

Judgment must be applied to those who chose it. Mis-judging others is a horrible thing.

I'll be the first to say, not all Jews are evil people, but...almost all the evil people just happen to be Jews.

I'd bet even the 'so called' good Jews, call you and your wife, goyim (cattle) and shiksa (whore) behind closed doors with their friends.

[Large Sarge]

I can tell you, Oliver the mossad agent,

he talked at length about the jews...

but, when I asked his thoughts on Christians, his whole demeanor changed, contempt is an understatement...

eyes just turned evil

and he laughed, in a very evil manner...

if you read that harold Rosenthal (I believe that is his name) interview, he goes on and on...

that is the heart of most of them, they have been warped, they can maintain a mask of sanity most of the time, but it slips off now and then....

[Large Sarge]

Harold Rosenthal interview

http://iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rosenthal.html

[EE_]

One of the biggest jew frauds

JESUS WAS NOT A Jew
Benjamin H. Freedman, Jewish Historian - Researcher - Scholar.
From "Common Sense", p. 2-1-53 and 5-1-59

"Christians have been duped by the unholiest hoax in all history, by so-called Jews. This is considered their most effective weapon."

"This 'big lie' technique is brainwashing United States Christians into believing that Jesus Christ was "King of the Jews", in the sense that so-called 'Jews' today call themselves 'Jews'. This reference was first made in English translations of the Old and New Testaments, centuries before the so-called Jews highjacked the word 'Jew' in the 18th century A.D. to palm themselves off on the Christian world as having a kinship with Jesus Christ. This alleged kinship comes from the myth of their common ancestry with the so-called 'Jews' of the Holy Land in the Old Testament history, a fiction based on fable."

"American Christians little suspect they are being brainwashed twenty-four hours of every day over television and radio, by newspapers and magazines, by motion pictures and plays, by books, by political leaders in office and seeking office, by religious leaders in their pulpits and outside their churches, by leaders in the field of education inside and outside their curricular activities, and by all leaders in business, professions and finance, whose economic security demands that they curry the favor of so-called "Jews" of historic Khazar ancestry. Unsuspecting Christians are subjected to this barrage from sources they have little reason to suspect. Incontestable facts supply the unchallengeable proof of the historic accuracy that so-called "Jews" throughout the world today of eastern European origin are unquestionably the historic descendants of the Khazars, a pagan Turko-Finn ancient Mongoloid nation deep in the heart of Asia, according to history, who battled their way in bloody wars about the 1st century B.C. into eastern Europe where they set up their Khazar kingdom. For some mysterious reason the history of the Khazar kingdom is conspicuous by its absence from history courses in the schools and colleges.

"The historic existence of the Khazar kingdom of so-called "Jews", their rise and fall, the permanent disappearance of the Khazar kingdom as a nation from the map of Europe, and how King Bulan and the Khazar nation in about 740 A.D. became so-called "Jews" by conversion, were concealed from American Christians by censorship imposed by so-called "Jews", of historic Khazar ancestry, upon all U.S.A. media of mass communications directed by them. Then in 1945 this author gave nation-wide publicity to his many years intensive research into the "facts of life" concerning Khazars. The disclosures were sensational and very effective but apparently angered so-called "Jews" who have continued to vent their spleen upon this author since then solely for that reason. Since 1946 they have conducted a vicious smear campaign against him, seeking thus to further conceal these facts, for obvious reasons. What have they to fear from the truth?

"In an original 1903 edition of the Jewish Encyclopedia in New York's Public Library, and in the Library of Congress, Volume IV, pages 1 to 5 inclusive, appears a most comprehensive history of the Khazars. Also in the New York Public Library are 327 books by the world's greatest historians and other sources of reference, in addition to the Jewish Encyclopedia, dealing with Khazar history, and written between the 3rd A.D. and 20th centuries by contemporaries of the Khazars and by modern historians on that subject."

Jesus was a 'Judean', not a Jew.

During His lifetime, no persons were described as "Jews" anywhere. That fact is supported by theology, history and science. When Jesus was in Judea, it was not the "homeland" of the ancestors of those who today style themselves "Jews". Their ancestors never set a foot in Judea. They existed at that time in Asia, their "homeland", and were known as Khazars. In none of the manuscripts of the original Old or New Testament was Jesus described or referred to as a "Jew". The term originated in the late eighteenth century as an abbreviation of the term Judean and refers to a resident of Judea without regard to race or religion, just as the term "Texan" signifies a person living in Texas.

In spite of the powerful propaganda effort of the so-called "Jews", they have been unable to prove in recorded history that there is one record, prior to that period, of a race religion or nationality, referred to as "Jew". The religious sect in Judea, in the time of Jesus, to which self-styled "Jews" today refer to as "Jews", were known as "Pharisees". "Judaism" today and "Pharisaism" in the time of Jesus are the same.

Jesus abhorred and denounced "Pharisaism"; hence the words, "Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites, Ye Serpents, Ye Generation of Vipers".


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JESUS WAS NOT A Jew
by Jason Collett


Many denominational Christians and even church leaders are under the mistaken belief that Jesus was a Jew. But nothing could be further from the truth.

Judea and Galilee were two separate states and political entities, as illustrated on the map of Palestine in the time of our Saviour in your Bible. Jesus Himself was not a Jew (Judean) or resident of Judea, He was a Galilean or resident of Galilee (Matthew 26:69; John 7:41), and a Judahite or descendent of the Tribe of Judah. The Judeans of prominence were not of the Tribe of Judah, but of Edomites. Pilate was being ironic when he wrote the sign "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Judeans" for the Cross (John 19:19). That is, "the Galilean who was King of the Judeans," as in "Queen Victoria of England, Empress of India." Jesus grew up in Nazareth in Galilee. His disciples were fishermen from the Sea of Galilee. And although He visited Jerusalem, he spent most of His life in his home country of Galilee. John 7:1, "After this Jesus stayed in Galilee; for He could not walk in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill him." His followers were constrained "for fear of the Jews" (John 7:13, 19:38, 20:19).

Why was this?

Psalm 83:3 says God's elect are "hidden" or protected ones, and that they are under attack from a coalition of evil groups led by Edom. Who was Edom?

Esau, the brother of the patriarch Jacob, became the ancestor of the people called Edom, or Idumea. The Antiquities of the Jews by Flavius Josephus, XIII ix 1; XV vii 9 instructs us: John Hyrcanus forcibly assimilated the Edomites as a national group and they became "Jews" in about 120BC. The Jewish historian Josephus, who lived just after the time of Christ, wrote, "They [Edom] were hereafter no other than Jews'. The Jewish scholar Cecil Roth in his Concise Jewish Encyclopedia (1980) says on page 154, "John Hyrcanus forcibly converted [Edom] to Judaism. From then on they were part of the Jewish people. In the Talmud the name of Edom was applied to Christian Rome, and was then used for Christianity in general".

Terrible judgements against Edom are made in most of the prophecies of the Old Testament. For instance, Isaiah 34, 63, Jeremiah 49, and the entire book of Obadiah.

Isaiah 63:1-6, "Who is this coming from Edom . . . in garments stained with crimson? It is I [the Lord] who speak in righteousness and am mighty to save."

"Why are your garments red, as if you had trodden the winepress?"

"I have trodden the winepress alone: and of the people there was none to help Me. In My anger I trod them down, trampled them in My wrath. Their blood splattered My garments, and all My clothes are stained. For the day of vengeance is in My heart, and the year of My redeemed has come. . . I will tread down the people in My anger, and bring their blood upon the ground".

These verses refer to Revelations chapter 19:11-21, when the Word of God destroys His enemies: "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse: and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True. . . His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns, and He had a Name written that no man knew but Himself. And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood, and His Name is called The Word of God. . . and He trod the winepress of God’s fierce anger".

Jehovah of the Old Testament "hated Esau (Edom), against whom He has indignation forever" (Malachi 1:2-4). If Jesus will destroy Edom when He returns, then Edom is present today, and obviously evil, anti-Christian, and anti-Semitic.

The Edomite, Antipater, became the Procurator of Judea in 47BC. Ten years later his son Herod actually became "king of the Jews," initiating the Edomite dynasty which ruled Palestine under Roman authority for over a hundred years. The Edomite assimilation opened the way for the virtual takeover along the lines predicted by Ezekiel and stimulus for an influx of population from the arid country of Edom into the more hospitable environment of Judea, an influx obviously encouraged for political reasons by the ruling Herodian dynasty. Edomites would have been appointed to the most influential positions, in order to extend and consolidate Edomite authority over the land and its people. Herod became notorious for his massacre of infant boys two years old and undger," a supernaturally inspired attempt on the life of Christ (Matthew 2:16). Herod's son Herod Antipas, continuing the work, and was responsible for the gruesome murder of John the Baptist (Matthew 14:6-12).

Christ demonstrated a very real antipathy towards the people called Jews, in Bibles published after about 1776, but who would be more accurately described as Judeans, or residents of the Edomite-dominated territory of Judea. Jesus said to the Jews "You do not believe because you are not of My sheep" (John 10:24-27). "I was only sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel" (Matthew 15:24). In fact, Christ referred to "those Jews (or residents of Judea regardless of religion, race or color) who believed on him," as "of their father the devil" for although they were children of Abraham, they were not children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and heirs of the blessing of Abraham, nor did they have the faith of Abraham, and were in all probability descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Esau (John 8: 31,44). In contrast, Jesus instructed His disciples - who were from Galilee of the Gentiles, not Judea (Acts 1:11; 2:7) - to pray to And in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, Jesus speaks of "those who say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan".

The Jews shouted "Crucify Him!" (John 19:15); "His blood be on us and on our children" (Matthew 27:25). In an appropriate turn about, when Jesus returns, their blood will stain His own garments. The spiritual leaders of the Jews were the Pharisees, who not surprisingly were associated with the (Edomite) Herodians (Matthew 22:15-16; Mark 3:6; 12:13). Jesus repeatedly condemned the Pharisees as "hypocrites" (Matthew 15:7; 22:18; 23:13,15,23,25,27-27). He also called them "serpents, the offspring of vipers" (Matthew 3:7; 12:34; 23:33).

"Jesus spoke to the crowds only in parables" (Matthew 13:10-17). Why was this? Many nominal churches and Sunday schools teach that Jesus used parables to make His teachings clearer. But all four Gospels say the opposite. When Jesus was asked why He spoke to them in parables, He replied "Because it is given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given" (Matthew 13:10-11; Mark 4:11-12; Luke 8:9-10; John 12:37-44). Brother Branham simply said, Jesus spoke in parables to thin down the crowds.

Jesus told "those Jews who believed in Him . . . You are of your father the devil, and lust for what is forbidden. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him . . . as he is a liar and the father of lies" (John 8:31-44). This characteristic is confirmed by the dictionary definition of the verb jew .

But do Jews ever come up with such brazenly audacious lies, lies so enormous in scope and implication as to qualify as "chutzpah," so admired by Jews?

Norman G. Finkelstein of the City University of New York says:

"The Holocaust has proven to be an indispensable ideological weapon. Through its deployment, one of the world’s most formidable military powers, with a horrendous human rights record, has cast itself as a ‘victim’ state, and the most successful ethnic group in the United States has likewise acquired victim status. Considerable benefits accrue to this specious victimhood – in particular, immunity to criticism, however justified" (Finkelstein, The Holocaust Industry (2000) published by Verso, p. 3).

In other words, Finkelstein exposes the HYPOCRISY.

Some further quotes:

"In an authoritative study, Leonard Dinnerstein reported: Sixty thousand Jews . . . walked out of the concentration camps. Within a week more than 20,000 of them had died." But ‘As it entered into negotiations with Germany [just two years ago, in 1999], the Holocaust industry demanded compensation for 135,000 still living former (camp inmates).’

On page 83 he notes that ‘The Israeli Prime Minister’s office recently put the number of "living Holocaust survivors" at nearly a million.’ Finkelstein exposes the LIES.

On page 127 he further notes ‘If 135,000 former Jewish slave laborers are still alive today, some 600,000 must have survived the war. That’s at least a half-million more than standard estimates. . . If Jews only constituted 20% of the surviving camp population and, as the Holocaust industry implies, 600,000 Jewish inmates survived the war, then fully 3 million inmates in total must have survived. By the Holocaust industry’s reckoning, concentration camp conditions couldn’t have been that harsh at all; in fact, one must suppose a remarkably high fertility and remarkably low mortality rate. . . If, as the Holocaust industry suggests, many hundreds of thousands of Jews survived, the Final Solution couldn’t have been so efficient after all – exactly what Holocaust deniers argue" (pp. 127-8).

"Both my father and my mother were survivors of the Warsaw ghetto and the Nazi concentration camps. . . One of my father’s lifelong friends was a former inmate with him in Auschwitz, a seemingly incorruptible left-wing idealist who on principle refused German compensation after the war. Eventually he became a director of the Israeli Holocaust museum, Yad Vashem. Reluctantly and with genuine disappointment, my father finally admitted that even this man had been corrupted by the Holocaust industry, tailoring his beliefs for power and profit. As the rendering of the Holocaust assumed ever more absurd forms, my mother liked to quote (with intentional irony) Henry Ford: "History is bunk." (ibid. p. 7).

"The Holocaust proved to be the perfect weapon for deflecting criticism of Israel" (ibid p. 30).

"Much of the literature on Hitler’s Final Solution is worthless as scholarship. Indeed, the field of Holocaust studies is replete with nonsense, if not sheer fraud." (p. 55).

"Given the nonsense that is turned out daily by the Holocaust industry, the wonder is that there are so few skeptics". (p. 68).

"Annual Days of Remembrance of the Holocaust are a national event. All 50 states sponsor commemorations, often in state legislative chambers. . . Seven major Holocaust museums dot the American landscape. The centerpiece of this memorialization is the United States Holocaust museum in Washington. . . [This] museum’s annual budget is $50 million, of which $30 million is federally subsidized." (p. 72). (This is in spite of the fact that, as he points out on page 32, per capita Jewish income in the US is almost double that of non-Jews).

"With a reelection campaign looming, Jimmy Carter initiated the [US Holocaust Museum] project to placate Jewish contributors and voters, galled by the president’s recognition of the "legitimate rights" of Palestinians.’ (p. 73).

Finkelstein exposes the SWINDLE, a word formerly most often associated with Jews.

"The Holocaust" is an ideological representation of the Nazi holocaust. Like most ideologies, it bears a connection, if tenuous, with reality. The Holocaust is not an arbitrary, but rather an internally coherent construct. Its central dogmas sustain significant political and class interests." (p. 3). And:

"The Holocaust may yet turn out to be the "greatest robbery in the history of mankind". . . The Holocaust industry has clearly gone berserk." (p. 138-9).

Is this evaluation fair?

Have a look at a typical account by one of the seemingly endless number of survivors: Olga Lengyel’s Five Chimneys: a woman survivor’s true story of Auschwitz (Granada/Ziff-Davis, 1947, 1972).

The blurb on the cover of the book quotes the New York Herald-Tribune: "Passionate, tormenting". Albert Einstein, the promoter of the US construction of the bombs used at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, is quoted as offering "You have done a real service by letting the ones who are now silent and most forgotten (sic) speak."

Lengyel says:

"After June, 1943, the gas chamber was reserved exclusively for Jews and Gypsies. . . Three hundred and sixty corpses every half-hour, which was all the time it took to reduce human flesh to ashes, made 720 per hour, or 17,280 corpses per twenty-four hour shift. And the ovens, with murderous efficiency, functioned day and night. However, one must also reckon the death pits, which could destroy another 8,000 cadavers a day. In round numbers, about 24,000 corpses were handled each day. An admirable production record, one that speaks well for German industry." (Paperback edition, pp. 80-81). [No trace of any remains of or in ‘death pits’ has been found.]

This implies almost 100,000 corpses per four working days, or a million in 40 days, or six million in 240 days (eight months).

Could this claim be a misprint?

Kitty Hart, in spite of her name, a Jewish survivor born in Poland, fully confirms these figures:

"Working around the clock, the four units together could dispose of about 18,000 bodies every twenty-four hours, while the open pits coped with a further 8,000 in the same period." (p. 118; Return to Auschwitz - paperback edition by Granada (1981, 1983).

According to the cover blurb, "The subject of the award-winning Yorkshire television documentary of the same name." "Both engaging and harrowing . . . an important addition to the growing holocaust literature, very little of which conveys so courageously both the daily torment and the will to survive" – Martin Gilbert, The Times.

Martin Gilbert, indefatigable Jewish campaigner on behalf of the ‘Holocaust’ and biographer of Winston Churchill, adds to the rich flavour and makes his own numerical claims, certainly not without chutzpah:

In his book Auschwitz and the Allies (1981) he states:

"The deliberate attempt to destroy systematically all of Europe’s Jews was unsuspected in the spring and early summer of 1942: the very period during which it was at its most intense, and during which hundreds of thousands of Jews were being gassed every day at Belzec, Chelmo, Sobibor and Treblinka." (p. 26).

If we assume a minimum figure of 200,000 per day, this amounts to say one million over a five-day working week, or 6 million in six weeks, and this does not include the truly awe-inspiring claims for Auschwitz put forward by Hart and Lengyel with Gilbert’s blessing.

A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground penetrating radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there.

For six days in October 1999, an Australian team headed by Richard Krege, a qualified electronics engineer, carried out an examination of the soil at the site of the former Treblinka II camp in Poland, where, Holocaust historians say, more than half a million Jews were put to death in gas chambers and then buried in mass graves.

According to the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (1997), for example, "a total of 870,000 people" were killed and buried at Treblinka between July 1942 and April 1943. Then, between April and July 1943, the hundreds of thousands of corpses were allegedly dug up and burned in batches of 2,000 or 2,500 on large grids made of railway ties.

Krege's team used an $80,000 Ground Penetrating Radar (GPR) device, which sends out vertical radar signals that are visible on a computer monitor. GPR detects any large-scale disturbances in the soil structure to a normal effective depth of four or five meters, and sometimes up to ten meters. (GPR devices are routinely used around the world by geologists, archeologists, and police.) In its Treblinka investigation, Krege's team also carried out visual soil inspections, and used an auger to take numerous soil core samples.

The team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged "mass graves" portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, Krege and his team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes.

"From these scans we could clearly identify the largely undisturbed horizontal stratigraphic layering, better known as horizons, of the soil under the camp site," says the 30-year old Krege, who lives in Canberra. "We know from scans of grave sites, and other sites with known soil disturbances, such as quarries, when this natural layering is massively disrupted or missing altogether." Because normal geological processes are very slow acting, disruption of the soil structure would have been detectable even after 60 years, Krege noted.

While his initial investigation suggests that there were never any mass graves at the Treblinka camp site, Krege believes that further work is still called for.

"Historians say that the bodies were exhumed and cremated toward the end of the Treblinka camp's use in 1943, but we found no indication that any mass graves ever existed," he says. "Personally, I don't think there was a mass extermination camp there at all."

Krege prepared a detailed report on his Treblinka investigation. He says that he would welcome the formation, possibly under United Nations auspices, of an international team of neutral, qualified specialists, to carry out similar investigations at the sites of all the wartime German camps.

(Sources: "'Vernichtungslager' Treblinka: archaelogisch betrachtet," by Ing. Richard Krege, in Vierteljarhreshefte für freie Geschichtsforschung, June 2000 [4. Jg., Heft 1], pp. 62-64; "'No Jewish mass grave' in Poland," The Canberra Times, January 24, 2000, p. 6; "Poland's Jews 'not buried at Treblinka'," The Examiner [Australia], Jan. 24, 2000. Information provided by Richard Krege; M. Weber and A. Allen, "Treblinka," The Journal of Historical Review, Summer 1992, pp. 133-158; Y. Arad, "Treblinka," in I. Gutman, ed., Encyclopedia of the Holocaust [New York: 1997], pp. 1481-1488.)




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Who was the First Jew?
John Standring
We know that Saul was the first king of Israel and that John was the first man called Baptist, but who was the first Jew? Neither Adam, Seth or Noah are called Jew. Nor were Abraham, Isaac or Jacob. Moses was not called a Jew and neither were Saul, David or Solomon called Jew. In fact you will not find the word Jew in the first eleven books of the Bible. The first time Jews are mentioned in the Bible, is in II Kings 16:6 (and then only in translations revised in the eighteenth century) where we find Israel was at war with the Jews and drave the Jews from Elath. Isn't it interesting that we can read over five hundred pages of the Bible before we find a Jew anywhere, yet those who call themselves Jew today claim the first five books of the bible and call it their Torah. Do you not find it rather strange that those who claim to have written the first five books of the Bible and call themselves Jew, can't find the word Jew written anywhere in the book they call their own bible, and claim to have written? Jesus Christ tells John in Revelation 2:9 "I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews and are not, but are the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN". We know that God changed the name of Abram to Abraham in Genesis 17:5, and that He changed the name of Jacob to Israel in Genesis 32:28, but nowhere in the Bible do we find where God changed the name of Israel to Jew! There is therefore no authority by which those who say they are Jews can claim to be Israel!

By the time of Jesus the word Edom or Edomite had been translated by Greek and Latin into Ioudaios and Iudaeus meaning a Judean or person living in Judea. The original King James version of the Bible, 1611, translated Idumaean-Judean into Iewes. It wasn't until the revised editions of the King James Bible, that the word Jew appeared. The word Jew does not mean Israel or Israelite! We must conclude therefore that the first "Jews" were Canaanite-Edomite-Hittite. It is certain, according to the Bible, that Jews are not Israel. jesusjew.htm


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[Jewboo]

But there are many millions of law-abiding jews you cannot see.




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Palestinians see those millions of "law-abiding" jews every day.

:rolleyes: let's honestly judge all jews by how they run their "Jews Only" stolen so-called homeland.

[Jewboo]

And yet he conveniently FAILED to credit the sources he gained that knowledge from, creating the appearance that he did all the in depth research. What a classy guy.





"IF YOU DON'T HOLD IT...YOU DON'T OWN IT"

- Chris Duane







:rolleyes: back on topic

[Spectrism]

Time for a fact check....



"IF YOU DON'T HOLD IT...YOU DON'T OWN IT"

- Chris Duane
:rolleyes: back on topic

http://dont-tread-on.me/?p=20909 (Coach David)
Be careful: As Chris says “if you don’t hold it, you don’t own it”.


http://dont-tread-on.me/?p=22325
By Silver Shield, on September 3rd, 2012
(Editor note: This shift is from intangible, illusions of wealth to real tangible wealth. If you don’t hold it you don’t own it.)


http://dont-tread-on.me/?p=22576
Many investors that think they have metal will be left empty handed. If you don’t hold it, you don’t own it.

RESULTS: Fact
He seems to have no qualms about using this phrase as his own. In all fairness, anyone can use it and nearly anyone could have come up with it on their own. It isn't so peculiar that in prepper circles it would be unexpected.

I don't exactly see a trend to plagiarize information. Many articles I checked did mention sources. If you would care to show some examples, it would help your case.

[Jewboo]

Joo leech?

Man sap?

LOL LOL LOL

I'm splitting my sides laughing. GSUS lingo is the bestest.




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http://www.cievan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/the-sitter.jpg


jonmcn49 (http://answers.yahoo.com/activity?show=4OA2B4MQQEEWHSFWZTE3OB45HE&t=g) answered 7 years ago

I see you have the cheap dictionary definitions of sardonic. To be " mordantly jocular ", is the correct primary definition of sardonic. Coming from the eating of the plant that caused, " laughing death ". It was only with the publication of the novel, " Sardonicus ", that the secondary and tertiary meanings were conflated with sarcastic. It pays to spend more than two dollars for a dictionary. Cheap dictionaries are notorious for conflations.

PS It is correct to say, " she is a sardonic person ".



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[Shami-Amourae]

"IF YOU DON'T HOLD IT...YOU DON'T OWN IT"

- Chris Duane







:rolleyes: back on topic

Isn't it now:

"If you don't hold it... You don't own it...
...V"

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

Time for a fact check....



http://dont-tread-on.me/?p=20909 (Coach David)
Be careful: As Chris says “if you don’t hold it, you don’t own it”.


http://dont-tread-on.me/?p=22325
By Silver Shield, on September 3rd, 2012
(Editor note: This shift is from intangible, illusions of wealth to real tangible wealth. If you don’t hold it you don’t own it.)


http://dont-tread-on.me/?p=22576
Many investors that think they have metal will be left empty handed. If you don’t hold it, you don’t own it.

RESULTS: Fact
He seems to have no qualms about using this phrase as his own. In all fairness, anyone can use it and nearly anyone could have come up with it on their own. It isn't so peculiar that in prepper circles it would be unexpected.

I don't exactly see a trend to plagiarize information. Many articles I checked did mention sources. If you would care to show some examples, it would help your case.

Looks like that phrase first showed up on the Internet in 1998, according to Google (https://www.google.com/search?q=If+you+don%E2%80%99t+hold+it+you+don%E2%8 0%99t+own+it&biw=1350&bih=501&sa=X&ei=3klEUufLJKWe2wWLqoC4BA&ved=0CBwQpwUoBg&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A01%2F01%2F1995%2Ccd_max%3A0 1%2F01%2F2001&tbm=#psj=1&q=%22If+you+don%E2%80%99t+hold+it+you+don%E2%80%99 t+own+it%22&tbs=cdr:1%2Ccd_min%3A01%2F01%2F1995%2Ccd_max%3A01% 2F01%2F2001).

The first person to use it on a forum was a user named DennisLeeWilson on a Simple Machines Forum (http://dennisleewilson.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=613.0) in 2006.

Ponce first used the phrase online in 2007 on the Real Cent forum (http://realcent.forumco.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16).

But I'm sure Ponce has been using that phrase since probably the 30s. :p

[mamboni]

A more appropos avatar for BOOK me thinks.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ0W7fRYWwqbRIlf1Bs1EEWWjsYE7f59 3sC6lCezbGmTicl_Llx

[Jewboo]

A more appropos avatar...




http://i.kulfoto.com/pic/0001/0034/t2/JxhG133622.jpg
Monkboni

:rolleyes:

[mamboni]

http://i.kulfoto.com/pic/0001/0034/t2/JxhG133622.jpg
Monkboni


:rolleyes:

Where'd you find a photo of my grandpa?

[Jewboo]

Where'd you find a photo of my grandpa?



A reminder that we all come from humble beginnings.

:)

[Hitch]

A reminder that we all come from humble beginnings.

:)

Now if we could just teach humility to all the power hungry sociopaths who run the banks, big corp, and .gov...

BTW, cool avatar there Book.

[willie pete]

Isn't it now:

"If you don't hold it... You don't own it...
...V"

I always thought it was the same idea/suggestion as "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"

[Neuro]

"The truth is a useless commodity that will hang around your neck like an albatross" (http://dennisloo.blogspot.com/2007/01/truth-is-useless-commodity-that-will.html)

Jeb Bush, speaking to retired Naval Intelligence Officer Al Martin:

“The truth is useless. You have to understand this right now. You can't deposit the truth in a bank. You can't buy groceries with the truth. You can't pay rent with the truth. The truth is a useless commodity that will hang around your neck like an albatross -- all the way to the homeless shelter. And if you think that the million or so people in this country that are really interested in the truth about their government can support people who would tell them the truth, you got another think coming. Because the million or so people in this country that are truly interested in the truth don't have any money.” - (cited by Uri Dowbenko in Bushwhacked, Sept. 2002).



I suspect CDuane's silver customers are surely most interested in getting their orders fulfilled, or their money back, pronto!

Jeb!

[PatColo]

Chris D on SGT Report; he sounds quite level headed & pragmatic; still a super silver bull; they discuss the frustration of ($17) silver holders among other things.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6818HMkHMhE/hqdefault.jpg?custom=true&w=336&h=188&stc=true&jpg444=true&jpgq=90&sp=68&sigh=_9dv8ZiiOhNyae23hMo7aZvrXx8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6818HMkHMhE) 54:46
SILVER [& Cryptos?] KILLS FASCISTS -- Chris Duane (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6818HMkHMhE)

9,353 views
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[Twisted Titan]

Silver is still a great investment

All of those stories of silver going moonshot is not in the cards for at least a decade (in my opinion)


If you want to make money you can play in micro mintages (which I don't do cause it's too close to stock trading for my taste)

Bottom line : trumps election threw a massive monkey wrench into what most people saw coming.

As a matter of fact all the doom porn sites that sell prep gear their sales fell off a cliff as people started to get more hopefull.

What's my point.

Buy silver and find othe ways that you are confortable with to supplement income

[Hitch]

Silver is still a great investment

All of those stories of silver going moonshot is not in the cards for at a decade (in my opinion)


If you want to make money you can play in micro mintages (which I don't do cause it's too close to stock trading)

Bottom line : trump election threw a massive monkey wrench into what most people saw coming.

As a matter of fact all the doom porn sites that sell prep great their sales fell off a cliff as people started to get more hopefull.

What's my point.

Buy silver and find othe ways that you are confortable with to supplement income

Silver is a 20 year investment, imo. I agree with your 10 year speculation, but at some time, supply will equal demand. The silver shorts, IE big banks, will drop out of the race, and when that happens, it really is going to shoot up.

It's simple. Buy silver, hold physical silver, be patient and wait. That's how you invest in silver.

An added bonus to stacking silver, is it's a great way to save. The ounces start adding up and if for personal reasons you need to sell, to take care of family, etc.. It's there for you. Take the stacking hit, and take care of what you need done...then resume on stacking.

[steyr_m]

Silver is a 20 year investment, imo. I agree with your 10 year speculation, but at some time, supply will equal demand. The silver shorts, IE big banks, will drop out of the race, and when that happens, it really is going to shoot up.

It's simple. Buy silver, hold physical silver, be patient and wait. That's how you invest in silver.

An added bonus to stacking silver, is it's a great way to save. The ounces start adding up and if for personal reasons you need to sell, to take care of family, etc.. It's there for you. Take the stacking hit, and take care of what you need done...then resume on stacking.

Couldn't have said it better. It is the best piggy bank for me...

[Neuro]

Silver is a 20 year investment, imo. I agree with your 10 year speculation, but at some time, supply will equal demand. The silver shorts, IE big banks, will drop out of the race, and when that happens, it really is going to shoot up.

It's simple. Buy silver, hold physical silver, be patient and wait. That's how you invest in silver.

An added bonus to stacking silver, is it's a great way to save. The ounces start adding up and if for personal reasons you need to sell, to take care of family, etc.. It's there for you. Take the stacking hit, and take care of what you need done...then resume on stacking.

The cup and handle formation from 1980 is almost complete. In 2-4 years silver will be at $50, and then it is going to the moon.
http://silverprice.org/charts/history/silver_all_data_o_usd.png

[StreetsOfGold]

THE investment advice in the 1980's was "do not wait to buy real estate but BUY real estate and wait" (which did work for a while)
Today, it's buy silver and wait and if you have a little extra fed notes to play around with, buy (a little) Bitcoin and wait

[PatColo]

Rense tonight (Thu); haven't listened to any yet

Download (https://ln2.sync.com/dl/112db2070/qij3r2ja-cxdf7fq4-hcgnh6hc-qcjxzayj) Hour 1 - Chris Duane (http://dont-tread-on.me/) - How To Succeed After The Economy Crashes

Download (https://ln2.sync.com/dl/88e078190/cmqz625m-i3uws45c-2fweq2kn-qdrippqc) Hour 2 - Gerald Celente (http://trendsresearch.com/) - The Truth About Trump's 'Booming Economy'

Download (https://ln2.sync.com/dl/0c9e0b3a0/hib3wgww-z5aw98fb-ep6jmvtu-ai579ytr) Hour 3 - Gary Holland (http://82.221.129.208/trump911.mp4) - Trump Said In An Interview After 9/11 That BOMBS Brought The Towers Down

[madfranks]

No kidding, silver shield is still around? I remember his memes back when silver was approaching $50. To be totally honest, back then I thought we were going to the moon, I figured we'd be at $200 silver by now. We can't even hit $20. It's laughable really.

[Jewboo]

No kidding, silver shield is still around?...It's laughable really.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xykoAvjP7QI

Opportunity for even MORE Schadenfreude?

:D