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midnight rambler
20th April 2013, 01:58 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323809304578433250252971618.html?r u=yahoo?mod=yahoo_itp
midnight rambler
21st April 2013, 06:49 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/newtown-families-well-keep-fighting-gun-law-175611300.html
Cebu_4_2
21st April 2013, 07:21 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/newtown-families-well-keep-fighting-gun-law-175611300.html
Complete propaganda, this made me throw up a little...
The Senate rejected on Wednesday a series of gun control bills that would have tightened background checks for buyers, banned assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines, and loosened restrictions on carrying concealed weapons across state lines, the last measure backed by the NRA.
Within hours of the votes, former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords accused senators who opposed the new regulations of "cowardice" in a piece published in the New York Times' op-ed page. Giffords was among 13 people wounded two years ago when a lone gunman opened fire as she met with constituents in a Tucson, Ariz., shopping mall, killing six others. She and her husband, retired astronaut Mark Kelly, had lobbied for the bills' passage.
On CBS' "Face the Nation," moderator Bob Schieffer asked Heslin, Lafferty and Soto Sunday whether the words "cowardice" and "cowards" were appropriate to describe Wednesday's vote.
"I do," said Heslin, who's 6-year-old son Neil Lewis died at Sandy Hook. "I feel they're not standing up for what they should be."
Carlee Soto, recounted her sister Victoria's courage to try to save her students, Neil Lewis among them.
"My sister wasn't a coward that day. My sister pushed the kids up against the wall, out of sight," she said, adding, "She protected her kids. Why aren't they protecting us?" referring to the senators who voted against the gun bills.
The families say the gun legislation would have strengthened laws already in effect rather than undercut the Second Amendment, which provides a constitutional right to bear arms.
"It's beyond me how these congressmen cannot stand up and support something that would prevent — or help prevent — something like this from ever occurring again," Heslin said.
"We aren't going to go away. I know I'm not," he added. "We're not going to stop until there are changes that are made."
Hitch
22nd April 2013, 01:22 AM
I think this thing passed in CA. Heard something, but can't find anything online right now...
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/state&id=9050454
midnight rambler
26th April 2013, 04:03 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/gun-control-primed-huge-comeback-171400352.html
Cebu_4_2
26th April 2013, 05:57 PM
Is gun control primed for a huge comeback?By Jon Terbush | The Week – 6 hrs ago
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The NRA won round one, but proponents of tougher gun laws haven't lost hope yet
Despite months of intense lobbying and significant public support, lawmakers failed to advance any gun control legislation through the Senate earlier this month. One by one, amendments came up for a vote in rapid succession, and one by one, they all failed. (http://theweek.com/article/index/242940/the-senate-defeats-background-checks-a-death-knell-for-gun-control) The hope that any gun bill would emerge from Washington seemed to go down with them.
Yet now, some lawmakers are quietly looking to revive the issue. According to the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/26/us/politics/senators-quietly-seek-a-new-path-on-gun-control.html?hp&_r=0), at least two groups of senators are working independently on gun bills that would address separate issues: Background checks and gun trafficking.
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Given that gun legislation uniformly lost last time around, what do gun control proponents hope to achieve by circling back to the issue? Here's the Times' Jeremy W. Peters:
Drawing on the lessons from battles in the 1980s and '90s over the Brady Bill, which failed in Congress several times before ultimately passing, gun control supporters believe they can prevail by working on a two-pronged strategy. First, they are identifying senators who might be willing to change their votes and support a background check system with fewer loopholes.
Second, they are looking to build a national campaign that would better harness overwhelming public support for universal background checks — which many national polls put at near 90 percent approval — to pressure lawmakers. [New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/26/us/politics/senators-quietly-seek-a-new-path-on-gun-control.html?hp&_r=0)]
Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.V.) and Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) are trying to breathe new life into their bipartisan background-check bill, searching for ways to attract the measly handful of votes by which it fell short the last time around. The Senate voted, 54-46, against that proposal earlier this month, with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) joining the opposition solely so, through procedural rules, he could bring it back for another vote at a later date. Manchin told the Times he was considering tweaking the bill's language in a way that would give it the 60 necessary to override a filibuster from some of the GOP's more conservative members.SEE MORE: Is Beyonce breaking new ground by debuting her songs in commercials? (http://theweek.com/article/index/243375/is-beyonce-breaking-new-ground-by-debuting-her-songs-in-commercials)
Aiding Manchin will be the intense lobbying efforts of several high-profile gun control groups. Mayors Against Illegal Guns, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg's (I) political action committee, has threatened (http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/in-the-aftermath-of-gun-bill-loss-in-senate-liberals-put-incumbent-democrats-on-notice-20130425) to oppose Sen. Mark Pryor (D-Ark.) — one of only four Democratic senators to buck the party on background checks — when he comes up for re-election, in the hope that the threat will convince him to switch his stance. President Obama's Organizing for America has vowed (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-senators-another-gun-control-vote-20130425,0,7513663.story) to do the same with other Democratic lawmakers who vote no on bills to tighten the nation's gun laws.
Meanwhile, Americans for Responsible Solutions has already gone up with an ad (http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2013/04/24/178846686/giffords-groups-radio-ads-hit-mcconnell-ayotte-on-gun-vote) targeting Republican Sens. Kelly Ayotte (N.H.) and Mitch McConnell (Ky.) That group, created by former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), who was critically wounded and nearly killed in a mass shooting in Arizona, has focused its efforts solely on Republican senators for now.
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At the same time, new polling data may also help stricter gun bills gain newfound support. A Public Policy Polling survey (http://news.yahoo.com/senate-foe-obamas-gun-control-bid-may-face-224506889.html) released this week found that Ayotte's approval rating had fallen by 15 points since October, settling at 44 percent. That offered some encouragement to gun control supporters who've said they believe a voter backlash will convince dissenting senators to change their minds.
On the flip side, a recent Quinnipiac poll (http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes--centers/polling-institute/pennsylvania/release-detail?ReleaseID=1888) found Toomey's approval rating rising amid his push for the background check bill, with 70 percent of voters in his home state saying they "strongly support" that measure. That's significant because polling in Pennsylvania can, to some degree, be extrapolated to other purple states.
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The Washington Post's Greg Sargent (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/04/26/the-morning-plum-the-problem-gun-reformers-face/)explains:
Pennsylvania is an interesting test case with broader implications. While it does lean blue, it has a deep gun culture, and it is home to the sort of suburban district — represented by Republicans — where gun reformers still hope to pick up unexpected GOP support.
Indeed, one notable finding is that Pat Toomey’s approval rating is now at 53 percent among suburban voters — in a state where the Philadelphia suburbs are key to statewide races. Hopefully other Republicans who represent rapidly suburbanizing states (such as Kelly Ayotte) or suburban House districts will take note. [Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/04/26/the-morning-plum-the-problem-gun-reformers-face/)]
While none of this means gun control bills are destined to ultimately pass, it shows that the debate is at least far from over. If nothing else, the Senate leadership has said they plan to readdress the issue this year. SEE MORE: Latest shots in the austerity debate: Krugman vs. Reinhart and Rogoff (http://theweek.com/article/index/243377/latest-shots-in-the-austerity-debate-krugman-vs-reinhart-and-rogoff)
"I think we're going to bring this bill back before the end of the year and I think you may find some changes," Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said Thursday. (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-senators-another-gun-control-vote-20130425,0,7513663.story)
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Twisted Titan
26th April 2013, 08:15 PM
They couldnt give a rats ass
They only i repeat only reason why we are winning is because mid term elections are not to far away and there are a decent amount of low hagging fruit congress critters that can be picked off because the dont have the diebold hook up like reid fineswine boxer et al
When you see mid term are done you better batten down the hatches because its going to get real raw real fast
Twisted Titan
26th April 2013, 08:16 PM
They couldnt give a rats ass
They only i repeat only reason why we are winning is because mid term elections are not to far away and there are a decent amount of low hagging fruit congress critters that can be picked off because the dont have the diebold hook up like reid fineswine boxer et al
When you see mid term are done you better batten down the hatches because its going to get real raw real fast
Ares
26th April 2013, 10:12 PM
I could care less what they say I can or cannot do with arms. I fail to recognize their authority over my god given right to self defense.
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