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vacuum
23rd April 2013, 06:03 PM
Internet technology has a history of dramatically reducing capital costs associated with certain activities and enterprises, which brings wide availability to the people.

For example, today anyone can publish a book, create a video channel, set up a website, blog, online store, or get a project funded without all the overhead of inventing and maintaining these complex systems.

As the technology spreads and becomes available to anyone, the old organizations which used to be the biggest and most efficient can no longer compete because their core infastructure has become commoditiezed. For example, the music industry's distribution ability and production studios are slowly becoming commodities. Newspapers and broadcast television is no longer the only source for news.

Bitcoin is doing this to the banking industry. The system of trust, bank transfer protocols, and exchanges are becoming commodities. All that overhead isn't fundamentally needed anymore.

But I don't believe bitcoin will replace the current system as a singular competitor, because that's never what happens when entire industries become commodities.

What will happen is that anyone will be able to start a crypto currency just like anyone can now start a youtube channel - the difference being we're talking about governments and corporations rather than individual people.

All that is required is that payment for employees and raw materials be paid for in one's currency, and one accepts one's currency in exchange for whatever goods are produced.

For example, we could have usacoin in which the US government requires taxes to be paid in it, and it uses it to pay for government employees and other expenses. There could be cokecoin which Coca Cola uses to pay it's employees and expenses, and which it accepts for Coke products. There could be amazoncoin, fordcoin, etc.

The value of any one of these coins would depend on how many there are and the total gdp of whatever the sponsoring entity is.

This would solve a number of issues. The money supply would be flexible because anyone could create their own currency as needed, as long as they had something of value to offer. The issue of early adopters getting very rich simply so people could gain access to bitcoin would be solved because there would be no singular deflationary currency. The entire system would self-regulate because every unit of currency would represent some sponsoring group producing a real product. There wouldn't be an artificial need for a reserve currency simply so two producing entities could trade with one another.

Loans would no longer be needed to start new enterprises. The debt-based model would yield to the intrinsic money model based on goods, services, and credit. Investors would buy the coins early, and if a successful business is created, those coins would become much more valuable. If there is a default, assets would be liquidated and bid upon by whoever holds the coins.

Fractional reserve banking, loans with interest, debt-based money, and central monetary policy to balance money supply with economic activity would all become a thing of the past. None of that will be needed anymore for the simple reason that money will no longer be limited by monopolies, interest rates, or physical supply. Rather, it will be directly proportional to credit and economic activity.

Note that strictly speaking none of these would be currencies, but rather they would be money. Currencies could be built on top of these different reservoirs of money.

Serpo
23rd April 2013, 06:18 PM
Isnt that already here......virtual GOLD ,,,,,there isnt any physical only virtual.........hehe

madfranks
23rd April 2013, 07:16 PM
http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/detlev-schlichter/could-bitcoin-be-the-money-of-the-future


Given its free market and ultra-hard-currency credentials, the scepticism towards Bitcoin in parts of the Austro-Libertarian community is somewhat surprising. I think some of the objections are easily refuted. There is, first of all, the idea that Bitcoin could have many imitators, which would undermine its uniqueness and reduce its attractiveness. If Bitcoin itself cannot be inflated, what about the concept of crypto-currencies, could it be inflated by too many different currencies on offer?

This argument strikes me as weak. By all accounts Bitcoin’s design and cryptographic robustness are an exceptional accomplishment. It is not as if any hacker of medium talent could pull off something similar tomorrow. But even if he could, the argument completely underestimates first-mover advantage in the area of goods and services with substantial network effects. How many people have launched a second Facebook or a second Twitter since these inventions kicked-off the social media craze, although technologically, these inventions are much simpler than crypto-currency? – Nobody. The network effects of these goods are immense. Once they have a certain acceptance it is hard, if not impossible, for late-comers to break in. These goods and services have value for their users predominantly because others use them too, and the more people use them, the more valuable they get. There is no good for which this is truer than money – the general medium of exchange. Customized money is an oxymoron. Consequently, once a form of money is accepted, it is very difficult to take business away from it.

This feature of money is obviously a problem for Bitcoin in its fight against established state paper monies but is equally a big plus when it comes to keeping potential new entrants into the crypto-currency arena at bay. Bitcoin now dominates the market for crypto-currencies (it pretty much IS the market for crypto-currencies, in my view) and I believe that only the discovery of major flaws in Bitcoin – none seem to have surfaced in its four-year life up to now, and every day they are less likely to appear -, or if some vastly superior crypto-currency came along but I am hard-pressed to see in which aspect it could outperform Bitcoin. But just launching another crypto-currency – a Bitcoin clone – is certainly not going to put a dent into Bitcoin.

vacuum
23rd April 2013, 08:27 PM
http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/detlev-schlichter/could-bitcoin-be-the-money-of-the-future

What he is discussing is a different concept entirely. He's talking about a currency, not money. Money has intrinsic value, whereas currency is simply a medium of exchange.

Anyone can create money by writing an IOU. I can issue you a certificate for 1 hour of my labor, and that certificate is worth something irregardless of how supreme the dollar is as a currency.

The problem with me just going around and giving people certificates is that no one knows how many of them are out there. No one knows for sure if I won't simply hyperinflate my money (assuming I have floating money as opposed to a specific labor or product backed money). People can't easily sell and exchange my certificates on the market.

However, if I have a company which solely spends it's own floating money and solely accepts that money back for goods and services it sells, that is the same as the hand-written IOU system. However, if that money is a crypto currency instead, which is highly transferable and has a fixed supply, then there can be no hyperinflation, everyone knows how many units are in existence vs what products my company has to offer. So it's genuine money creation without the need to use a centralized money which is regulated by a responsible body.

Currencies must compete in the market, but money doesn't need to compete with other money, it only needs to accurately reflect the intrinsic value which it holds. These are sort of like company stocks, except they cannot be diluted.

So it's a question of money vs currency. There are fundamental differences, for example it's probably bad to have deflationary currency but it might be ok to have deflationary money.

Oz Waver
23rd April 2013, 09:48 PM
What's the Agenda?

Electronic Money = Implantable RFID Chip

Wake up already!

vacuum
23rd April 2013, 10:11 PM
What's the Agenda?

Electronic Money = Implantable RFID Chip

Wake up already!

There can be no one world order without centralized money.

This thread is about anyone being able to create money. This is something that isn't even possible with gold or silver.